From maryrose333 at att.net Fri May 1 03:38:21 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 02:38:21 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Common sense about the swine flu "pandemic" Message-ID: <002601c9ca40$943097a0$bc91c6e0$@net> From: W. Robynne McWayne [mailto:wrmcwayne at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 1:57 AM Subject: Common sense about the swine flu "pandemic" (I hope you find this helpful. Dr. Mercola is an MD with a large alternative health following. this article is pretty well documented.) According to the Washington Post, the CDC did not learn about the recent swine flu outbreak until six days after Mexico had begun to impose emergency measures. There should be no excuses. The paradox of this swine flu panic is that, while totally unexpected, it was accurately predicted. Six years ago, the journal Science dedicated a major story to evidence that ?after years of stability, the North American swine flu virus has jumped onto an evolutionary fasttrack". However, maybe this is precisely what public health authorities desired. This is NOT the First Swine Flu Panic Attack! My guess is that you can expect to see a lot of panic over this issue in the near future. But the key is to remain calm -- this isn't the first time the public has been warned about swine flu. The last actual panic was in 1976, right before I entered medical school and I remember it very clearly. It resulted in the massive swine flu vaccine campaign. Do you happen to recall the result of this massive campaign? Within a few months, claims totaling $1.3 billion had been filed by victims who had suffered paralysis from the vaccine. The vaccine was also blamed for 25 deaths. Several hundred people developed crippling Guillain-Barr? Syndrome after they were injected with the swine flu vaccine at that time. Even a couple healthy 20-year-olds ended up as paraplegics. And the swine flu pandemic itself? It never materialized. More People Died >From the Swine Flu Vaccine than flu itself! It is very difficult to forecast a pandemic, and a premature response can be extremely damaging. As of Monday April 27, 2009 the worldwide total number of confirmed cases was 82, according to WHO, which included 40 cases in the U.S., confirmed by the Centers for Disease Control. But does that truly warrant such feverish news headlines, (forgive the pun)? To put things into perspective, malaria kills 3,000 people EVERY DAY, and it's considered "a health problem"... But of course, there are no fancy vaccines for malaria that can rake in billions of dollars in a short amount of time. One Australian news source,(3) for example, states that ?even a mild swine flu epidemic could lead to the deaths of 1.4 million people and would reduce economic growth by nearly $5 trillion dollars.? Give me a break, if this doesn't sound like the outlandish cries of the pandemic bird-flu I don't know what does. Do you remember when President Bush said two million Americans would die as a result of the bird flu? In 2005, in 2006, 2007, and again in 2008, those fears were exposed as little more than a cruel hoax, designed to instill fear, and line the pocketbooks of various individuals and the pharmaceutical industry. I became so convinced by the evidence AGAINST the possibility of a bird flu pandemic that I wrote a New York Times bestselling book, The Bird Flu Hoax, all about the massive fraud involved with the epidemic that never happened. What is the Swine Flu? Regular swine flu is a contagious respiratory disease, caused by a type-A influenza virus that affects pigs. The current strain, A(H1N1), is a new variation of an H1N1 virus -- which causes seasonal flu outbreaks in humans -- that also contains genetic material of bird and pig versions of the flu. That is, it is a previously unknown ?hybrid? incorporating human, pig, and bird viral elements. A very unusual organism, to say the least. This version has never before been seen in either human or animal infections, which I will discuss a bit later. This does sound bad. But not so fast. There are a few reasons to not rush to conclusions that this is the deadly pandemic we've been told would occur in the near future (as if anyone could predict it without having some sort of inside knowledge.) Why a True Bird- or Swine Flu Pandemic is HIGHLY Unlikely While in my opinion it is possible that factory farming is responsible for producing this viral strain, I believe there is still no cause for concern. Let?s look at a little history. You may not know this, but all H1N1 flu's are descendants of the 1918 pandemic strain. The reason why the flu shot may or may not work, however, from year to year, is due to a normal steady rate of mutations in the virus. Therefore, there is no vaccine available that is specifically tailor-made for this current hybrid flu strain. Naturally, this feeds the fear that millions of people will die before a specific vaccine can be made. But history gives us a break, here. Just a couple of months ago, scientists concluded that the 1918 flu pandemic that killed between 50-100 million people worldwide in a matter of 18 months was NOT due to the flu itself!(4) Instead, they discovered the real culprit was secondary strep infections. People with a viral infection become weak and often get what is known as a "superinfection" with a bacterial agent. In 1918 it appears to have been Streptococcus pneumoniae. Since strep is easy to treat with antibiotics, and the flu alone is minimally threatening, a new pandemic would likely be much less dire than predicted. Other researchers, such as evolutionary biologist Paul Ewald,(5) claim that a pandemic of this sort simply cannot happen because in order for it to occur, the world has to change. Not the virus itself, but the world. In a previous interview for Esquire magazine, in which he discusses the possibility of a bird flu pandemic, he states: "They think that if a virus mutates, it's an evolutionary event. Well, the virus is mutating because that is what viruses and other pathogens do. Evolution is not just random mutation. It is random mutation filtered through natural selection; it is a battle for competitive advantage among different strains generated by random mutations. ?For bird flu to evolve into a human pandemic, the strain that finds a home in humanity has to be a strain that is both highly virulent and highly transmissible. Deadliness has to translate somehow into popularity; a viral strain has to find a way to kill or immobilize its human hosts, and still find other hosts to infect. Usually that doesn't happen." Ewald goes on to explain that evolution in general is all about trade-offs, and in the evolution of infections the trade-off itself is between virulence and transmissibility. What this means is that in order for a type of flu virus to turn into a human pandemic, it has to find an environment that favors both deadly virulence and ease of transmission. People living in squalor on the Western Front at the end of World War I generated such an environment, from which the epidemic of 1918 could arise. Likewise, crowded chicken farms, slaughterhouses, and jam-packed markets of eastern Asia provide another such environment, and that environment gave rise to the bird flu -- a pathogen that both kills and spreads, in birds, but not in humans. Says Ewald: "We know that ?bird flu?, H5N1 is well adapted to birds. We also know that it has a hard time becoming a virus that can move from person to person. It has a hard time without our doing anything. But we can make it harder. We can make sure it has no human population in which to evolve transmissibility. There is no need to rely on the mass extermination of chickens. There is no need to stockpile vaccines for everyone. By vaccinating just the people most at risk -- the people who work with chickens and the caregivers -- we can prevent it from becoming transmissible among humans. Then it doesn't matter what it does in chickens." Please remember that, despite the fantastic headlines and projections of MILLIONS of deaths, the H5N1 bird flu virus killed a mere 257 people worldwide since late 2003. As unfortunate as those deaths are, 257 deaths worldwide from any disease, over the course of five years, simply does not constitute an emergency worthy of much attention, let alone fear, or the risk of mass vaccinations. Your risk of being killed by a lightning strike in the last five years was about 2,300 percent higher than your risk of contracting and dying from the bird flu.(6) Seriously. In just one year (2004), more than 1,170 people died from lighting strikes, worldwide.(7) So please, as the numbers of confirmed swine flu cases are released, keep a level head and don't let fear run away with your common sense. Is the Swine Flu Getting More or Less Dangerous? On Sunday, April 26, The Independent reported that more than 1,000 people had contracted the swine flu virus in Mexico, (8) but by that same afternoon, Mexican President Calderon declared that more than two-thirds of the 1,300 thought to have contracted the disease had been given a clean bill of health and sent home.(9) Additionally, the number of actual confirmed cases appears to be far lower than reported in many media outlets, leading me to believe that many reporters are interchanging the terms "suspected cases" and "confirmed cases." At this point Mexico is the ONLY country in the world where someone has actually died from this disease (not counting the child who was flown to Texas for treatment at a late stage of his illness.) Mexico has reported 152 fatalities in flu-like cases in recent days, seven of which have been confirmed as swine flu. Another 19 patients have been confirmed as having swine flu but surviving. About 2,000 people have been hospitalized with symptoms. By contrast, the United States has had 64 confirmed cases, five hospitalizations and no deaths. According to the World Health Organization's Epidemic and Pandemic Alert and Response site; as of April 27, there are: 64 laboratory confirmed cases in U.S. -- 0 deaths (reported by CDC as of April 29) 26 confirmed cases in Mexico -- 7 deaths 6 confirmed cases in Canada -- 0 deaths 1 confirmed case in Spain -- 0 deaths Additionally, nearly all suspected new cases have been reported as mild. Personally, I am highly skeptical. It simply doesn't add up to a real pandemic. But it does raise serious questions about where this brand new, never before seen virus came from, especially since it cannot be contracted from eating pork products, and has never before been seen in pigs, and contains traits from the bird flu -- and which, so far, only seems to respond to Tamiflu.. Are we just that lucky, or... what? Your Fear Will Make Some People VERY Rich in Today's Crumbling Economy According to the Associated Press at least one financial analyst estimates sales of up to $388 million worth of Tamiflu in the near future(10) -- and that's without a pandemic outbreak. More than half a dozen pharmaceutical companies, including Gilead Sciences Inc., Roche, GlaxoSmithKline, and others with a stake in flu treatments and detection, have seen a rise in their shares in a matter of days, and will likely see revenue boosts if the swine flu ?outbreak? continues to blanket the news. As soon as Homeland Security declared a health emergency, 25 percent -- about 12 million dose packets of Tamiflu and Relenza were released from the nation's stockpile. Do be aware that this declaration also allows unapproved tests and drugs to be administered to children. Many health and government officials are more than willing to take that chance with your life, and the life of your child. But are you? Remember, Tamiflu went through some questionable results not too long ago, as the dangers of this drug came to light when, in 2007, the FDA finally began investigating some 1,800 adverse event reports related to the drug. Common side effects of Tamiflu include: Nausea Vomiting Diarrhea Headache Dizziness Fatigue Cough All in all, the very symptoms of the flu you're trying to avoid. More serious symptoms included convulsions, delirium or full blown delusions, and 14 deaths in children and teens as a result of neuropsychiatric problems and brain infections (which led Japan to ban Tamiflu for children in 2007). And that's for a drug that, when used as directed, only reduces the duration of influenza symptoms by 1 to 1 ? days, according to the official data. Making matters worse, some patients with influenza are at HIGHER risk for secondary bacterial infections when on Tamiflu. And secondary bacterial infections, as I mentioned earlier, was likely the REAL cause of the mass fatalities during the 1918 pandemic! Where did This Mysterious New Double Animal-Human Flu Strain Come From? Alongside the fear-mongering headlines, I've also seen increasing numbers of reports questioning the true nature of this virus. And rightfully so. Could a mixed animal-human mutant like this occur naturally? And if not, who made it, and how was it released? Not one to dabble too deep in conspiracy theories, I don't have to strain very hard to find actual facts to support the notion that this may not be a natural mutation, and that those who stand to gain have the wherewithal to pull off such a manipulation. Just last month I reported that the American pharmaceutical company, Baxter was under investigation for distributing the deadly avian flu virus to 18 different countries mixed in with part of a seasonal flu vaccine shipment. Czech reporters were probing to see if it may have been part of a deliberate attempt to start a pandemic; such a "mistake" would be virtually impossible under the security protocols for that virus. The H5N1 (bird flu) virus does not become particularly airborne in its natural history life cycle. However, when combined with seasonal human flu viruses, which are more easily spread by coughing and sneezing, the hybrid virus could be a potent, airborne, deadly, biological weapon. If a batch of this live bird flu + seasonal human flu viruses had reached the public, it could have resulted in dire consequences. There is a name for mixing different strains of viruses; it's called "reassortment," and it is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created in the lab. Some scientists say the most recent global outbreak -- the 1977 Russian flu -- was started by a virus created and leaked from a laboratory. Another example of the embarrassing lack of integrity among our pharmaceutical companies is the case of Bayer?s sale of millions of dollars worth of an injectable blood-clotting medicine to Asian, Latin American, and some European countries in the mid-1980s, even though they knew it was tainted with the AIDS virus. So while it is morally unthinkable that a drug company would knowingly contaminate flu vaccines with a deadly flu virus such as the bird- or swine flu, it is certainly not impossible. It has apparently already happened more than once. Yet to date there seems to be no serious repercussions, boycotts, or even hard feelings when this industry oversteps obvious boundaries of morality and business, let alone healthcare integrity. That seems to be attributable to careful restriction of information allowed released to news media. Never the less, the information I used to write this report is freely available on the internet, for everyone interested to analyze. So now ironically, here comes the pendulum swinging by again - - and which unprosecuted company has been chosen by the World Health Organization to head up efforts to produce a vaccine against the Mexican swine flu? Baxter!(11) Baxter was selected despite the fact that the ink is barely dry on the investigative reports from their should-be-criminal "mistake" of including deadly flu virus lab specimens with part of a vaccine shipment. According to other sources,(12), a top scientist for the United Nations, who has examined the outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus in Africa, as well as HIV/AIDS cases, has concluded that the current swine flu virus possesses certain transmission "vectors" that suggest this new strain has been genetically manufactured as a biological warfare weapon. This UN expert believes that Ebola, HIV/AIDS, and the current A-H1N1 Mexican swine flu virus are all biological warfare agents. In addition, Army criminal investigators are looking into the possibility that disease samples are missing from biolabs at Fort Detrick -- the same Army research lab from which the 2001 anthrax strain was released, according to a recent article in the Fredrick News Post.(13) In February, the top biodefense lab halted all its research into Ebola, anthrax, plague, and other diseases known as "select agents," after they discovered virus samples that weren't listed in its inventory and might have been switched with something else. Factory Farming Could Be a Possible Source of Swine Flu Another theory on the cause of Swine Flu, involves factory farming. In the United States, pigs travel coast to coast. They can be bred in North Carolina, fattened in the corn belt of Iowa, and slaughtered in California. While this may reduce short-term costs for the pork industry, the highly contagious nature of diseases like influenza (perhaps made further infectious by the stresses of transport) needs to be considered when calculating the true cost of long-distance live animal transport. The majority of U.S. pig farms now confine more than 5,000 animals each. With a group of 5,000 animals, if a novel virus shows up it will have more opportunity to replicate and potentially spread than in a group of 100 pigs on a small farm. With massive concentrations of farm animals in which to mutate, new viruses may have the chance in North America to jump onto an evolutionary fast track. However if these cases of mutated swine flu turn out to have flared up from Mexico, there are few huge factory pig farms there. More research will likely pinpoint the source in the future. Should You Accept a Flu Vaccine -- Just to be Safe? As stated in the New York Times(14) and elsewhere, flu experts have no idea whether the current seasonal flu vaccine would offer any protection whatsoever against this exotic mutant, and it will take months to create a new one. Getting vaccinated now would not only offer no protection and potentially cause great harm, it could most likely also dose you with toxic mercury which is used as a preservative in most flu vaccines. I've written extensively about the numerous dangers (and ineffectiveness) of flu vaccines, and why I do not recommend them to anyone. So no matter what you hear -- even if it comes from your doctor -- don't get a regular flu shot. They rarely work against seasonal flu...and certainly can't offer protection against a never-before-seen strain, especially one as widely hybridized as this one. Currently, the antiviral drugs Tamiflu and Relenza are the only drugs that appear effective against the (human flu) H1N1 virus, and I strongly believe taking Tamiflu to protect yourself against this new virus could be a serious mistake -- for all the reasons above. In addition to the dangerous side effects of Tamiflu, there is also growing evidence of resistance against the drug. In February, the pre-publication and preliminary findings journal called Nature Procedings published a paper on this concern, stating(15): ?The dramatic rise of oseltamivir [Tamiflu] resistance in the H1N1 serotype in the 2007/2008 season and the fixing of H274Y in the 2008/2009 season has raised concerns regarding individuals at risk for seasonal influenza, as well as development of similar resistance in the H5N1 serotype [bird flu]. ?Previously, oseltamivir resistance produced changes in H1N1 and H3N2 at multiple positions in treated patients. In contrast, the recently reported resistance involved patients who had not recently taken oseltamivir.? It's one more reason to avoid this potentially dangerous drug. Once a strain-specific swine flu drug is created, you can be sure that it will not have had the time to be tested in clinical trials to determine safety and effectiveness, which puts us right back where we started in this article -- with a potential repeat of the last harmful swine flu vaccine practice, which destroyed the lives of hundreds of people. Keep in mind, too, the fact that if the new vaccine turns out to be dangerous and harmful, the pharmaceutical companies responsible are immune from lawsuits -- something we must not forget until the laws are put back aright. (Personally, if they?re not going to take responsibility for it, I?m not going to take it!) We can only hope that the new more enlightened governments of the world will stop short of mandating any vaccine. How to Protect Yourself Without Dangerous Drugs and Vaccinations For now, there will continue to be threats of flu pandemics, real or manufactured, and there will continue to be potentially toxic vaccines and drugs being peddled as the solution. But you can break free of that whole drug-solution trap by following some natural health principles. I have not caught a flu in over two decades, and you can avoid it too, without getting vaccinated, by following some simple guidelines to keep your immune system in optimal health, so you're far less likely to acquire an infection to begin with. Optimize your vitamin D levels. Optimizing your vitamin D levels is one of the absolute best strategies for avoiding infections of ALL kinds, and vitamin D deficiency is likely the TRUE culprit behind the seasonality of the flu -- much more than the flu virus itself. This is probably the single most important and least expensive action you can take. Get outdoors! One hour at noon on a cloudy day even in winter, with just face and hands exposed is enough to convert adequate vitamin D at all but the farthest polar latitudes. If you are coming down with flu like symptoms and have not been on vitamin D you can take doses of 50,000 units a day for three days to treat the acute infection. Some researchers like Dr. Cannell, believe the dose could even be as high as 1000 units per pound of body weight for three days. Avoid Sugar and Processed Foods. Sugar decreases the function of your immune system almost immediately, and as you likely know, a strong immune system is key to fighting off viruses and other illness. Be aware that sugar is present in foods you may not suspect, like ketchup and fruit juice. Get Enough Rest. Just like it becomes harder for you to get your daily tasks done if you're tired, if your body is overly fatigued it will be harder for it to fight the flu. Have Effective Tools to Address Stress. We all face some stress every day, but if stress becomes overwhelming then your body will be less able to fight off the flu and other illness. If you feel that stress is taking a toll on your health, consider using an energy psychology tool such as the Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT), which is remarkably effective in relieving stress associated with all kinds of events, from work to family to trauma. Exercise. When you exercise, you increase your circulation and your blood flow throughout your body. The components of your immune system are also better circulated, which means your immune system has a better chance of finding an illness before it spreads. Take a good source of animal based omega-3 fats like Krill Oil. Increase your intake of healthy and essential fats which are crucial for maintaining health. It is also vitally important to avoid damaged omega-6 oils that are trans fats and in processed foods as it will seriously damage your immune response. Wash Your Hands. Washing your hands will decrease your likelihood of spreading a virus to your nose, mouth or other people. Be sure you avoid antibacterial soap for this -- antibacterial soaps are completely unnecessary, and they cause far more harm than good. Instead, identify a simple chemical-free soap that you can switch your family to. Eat Garlic Regularly. Garlic works like a broad-spectrum antibiotic against bacteria, virus, and protozoa in the body. And unlike with antibiotics, no resistance can be built up so it is an absolutely safe product to use. However, if you are allergic or don't enjoy garlic it would be best to avoid as it will likely cause more harm than good. Avoid hospitals and vaccines. I recommend you stay away from hospitals unless you're having an emergency. Hospitals are prime breeding grounds for infections of all kinds, and could be one of the likeliest places you could be exposed to this new bug. Vaccines will not be available for six months at the minimum. Then when available they will be ineffective and could put you at risk for crippling neurological complications like Guillain-Barr? Syndrome, as it did in the 70s. (slightly abridged) References: 1 World Health Organization, Epidemic and Pandemic Alert Response, Current WHO Phase of Pandemic Alert, http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/phase/en/index.html 2 Welt Online, April 28, 2009, http://www.welt.de/english-news/article3625539/Asian-countries-take-measures -against-outbreak.html 3 News.com.au, April 27, 2009, http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,25392380-2,00.html 4 Emerging Infectious Diseases February 2009; 15(2):346-7, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?orig_db=PubMed &db=pubmed&cmd=Search&term="Emerging%20infectious%20diseases"[Jour]%20AND%20 2009[pdat]%20AND%20Klugman[author] 5 Esquire, April 26, 2009, http://www.esquire.com/features/best-n-brightest-2005/ESQ1205B &BEWALD_244?src=digg 6 CDC, Lightning-Associated Deaths 1980-1995, http://wonder.cdc.gov/wonder/PrevGuid/m0052833/m0052833.asp 7 NationMaster.com, Mortality--Lighting, http://www.nationmaster.com/red/pie/mor_vic_of_lig-mortality-victim-of-light ning 8 The Independent, April 26, 2009, http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/pan demic-fears-as-flu-kills-68-1674368.html 9 Reuters, April 26, 2009, http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE53P23920090426 10 Associated Press, April 27, 2009, http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hceWV2_Cu7yoSvw9iNYZ90-qnC yQD97R2FVG3 11 Infowars.net, April 27, 2009, http://www.infowars.net/articles/april2009/270409Baxter.htm 12 Online Journal, April 27, 2009 http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4631.shtml 13 FredrickNewsPost.com, April 22, 2009, http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=89293 14 The New York Times, April 26, 2009, http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/world/27flu.html?_r=3 &pagewanted=1 15 Nature Precedings, hdl:10101/npre.2009.2832.1, Emergence and Fixing of Antiviral Resistance in Influenza A Via Recombination and Hitch Hiking, Henry L. Niman , http://precedings.nature.com/documents/2832/version/1 Dr. Joseph Mercola has made significant milestones in his mission to bring people practical solutions to their health problems. A New York Times Best Selling Author, Dr. Mercola is author of The No-Grain Diet and Take Control of Your Health. He has also been featured in TIME magazine, LA Times, CNN, Fox News, ABC News with Peter Jennings, Today Show and other major media resources. The full article is at http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/28/Swine-Flu.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk Fri May 1 03:50:47 2009 From: dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk (robert searle) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:50:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GJM] The Passing of David Devor Message-ID: <613633.53145.qm@web27408.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> ? ?Dear All, ???????????? I am just recording the passing of David Devor with whom I had some "interesting" emails concering his somewhat "idealistic" notions for the development of Project Mind. ? ? ????????????? http://www.projectmind.org ? ? Growing global crises underscore the urgency of an evolutionary leap ... a leap of Mind and Matter V I S I O NThe Project Mind Foundation is an international, non-profit, humanitarian organization based on the 1993 book, PROJECT MIND, by David S. Devor (T.Kun) and has founding members in Australia, Canada, Colombia, Ecuador, France, India, Israel, Kenya, Mexico, Pakistan, Portugal, the U.K., and the U.S.A. Our preliminary statement of purpose is: "to free the human spirit from the crushing illusion of materialism by using the transformative genius, latent in all humans, to eliminate real and addictive lack." Our foundation is in the process of forming a radically creative "mind tank" to systematically generate holistic scientific breakthroughs. The essence-theory behind Project Mind, derived from Lurianic/Ashlagian Kabbalah, is itself a philosophical breakthrough and makes possible the first concrete proposal for reconciling outer and inner paradigms ("science and spirit") in a balanced, high-energy synthesis that preserves the essentials of both. The back cover of the book reads: What is life? What is death? What is the secret of the cosmos? Had the great minds of the past found all the answers, would there still be such suffering? The author claims to have found the key to the cosmic riddle and declares open war on death & taxes. Earth stewardship and population control are urgent issues, yet current thinking fails to address the root causes of our present collision course with matter that, probably, nothing within conventional wisdom can prevent. The expansion of science and technology cannot be contained, nor can growing discontent and often suicidal rancor among those deprived of the best tools, medical care, comforts and enjoyments that progress can offer. It is vital that science become vision-driven and holistic, thus ridding itself of its fragmentation and destructive and polluting aspects. Progress can be fueled and channeled by scientific creativity that will truly empower and validate science and industry rather than emasculate them, which environmentalism and eco-paganism are often perceived as trying to do. There is no reason for anyone to be deprived of anything nor is there any limit to blessings yet to be discovered. 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URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Fri May 1 12:43:50 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:43:50 -0700 Subject: [GJM] Israeli exports hit by European boycotts after attacks on Gaza Message-ID: <000401c9ca8c$c84e80f0$58eb82d0$@net> Perhaps what the world needs now is more boycotts as 1. ?we-the-people? united for social justice, the creation of sustainable living communities worldwide and peace, 2. hold those responsible for preventing us from doing so accountable for their actions by 3. refusing to do business with them until they align themselves with the 4. best interests of all concerned foremost in mind. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/03/israel-gaza-attacks-boycotts-foo d-industry Israeli exports hit by European boycotts after attacks on Gaza A fifth of Israeli exporters report drop in demand as footage of Gaza attacks changes behaviour of consumers and investors * Rachel Shabi, in Tel Aviv * guardian.co.uk, Friday 3 April 2009 16.16 BST * Article history Israeli companies are feeling the impact of boycott moves in Europe, according to surveys, amid growing concern within the Israeli business sector over organised campaigns following the recent attack on Gaza. Last week, the Israel Manufacturers Association reported that 21% of 90 local exporters who were questioned had felt a drop in demand due to boycotts, mostly from the UK and Scandinavian countries. Last month, a report from the Israel Export Institute reported that 10% of 400 polled exporters received order cancellation notices this year, because of Israel's assault on Gaza. "There is no doubt that a red light has been switched on," Dan Katrivas, head of the foreign trade department at the Israel Manufacturers Association, told Maariv newspaper this week. "We are closely following what's happening with exporters who are running into problems with boycotts." He added that in Britain there exists "a special problem regarding the export of agricultural produce from Israel". The problem, said Katrivas, is in part the discussion in the UK over how to label goods that come from Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank. Last week British government officials met with food industry representatives to discuss the issue. In recent months, the Israeli financial press has reported the impact of mounting calls to boycott goods from the Jewish state. Writing in the daily finance paper, the Marker, economics journalist Nehemia Stressler berated then trade and industry minister Eli Yishai for telling the Israeli army to "destroy one hundred homes" in Gaza for every rocket fired into Israel. The minister, wrote Stressler, did not understand "how much the operation in Gaza is hurting the economy". Stressler added: "The horrific images on TV and the statements of politicians in Europe and Turkey are changing the behaviour of consumers, businessmen and potential investors. Many European consumers boycott Israeli products in practice." He quoted a pepper grower who spoke of "a concealed boycott of Israeli products in Europe". In February, another article in the Marker, titled "Now heads are lowered as we wait for the storm to blow over", reported that Israelis with major business interests in Turkey hoped to remain anonymous to avoid arousing the attention of pro-boycott groups. The paper said that, while trade difficulties with Turkey during the Gaza assault received more media attention, Britain was in reality of greater concern. Gil Erez, Israel's commercial attache in London, told the paper: "Organisations are bombarding [British] retailers with letters, asking that they remove Israeli merchandise from the shelves." Finance journalists have reported that Israeli hi-tech, food and agribusiness companies suffered adverse consequences following Israel's three-week assault on Gaza, and called for government intervention to protect businesses from a growing boycott. However, analysts stressed that the impact of a boycott on local exporters was difficult to discern amidst a global economic crisis and that such effects could be exaggerated. "If there was something serious, I would have heard about it," said Avi Tempkin, from Globes, the Israeli business daily. Israeli companies are thought to be wary of giving credence to boycott efforts by talking openly about their effect, preferring to resolve problems through diplomatic channels. Consumer boycotts in Europe have targeted food produce such as Israeli oranges, avocados and herbs, while in Turkey the focus has been on agribusiness products such as pesticides and fertilisers. The bulk of Israeli export is in components, especially hi-tech products such as Intel chips and flashcards for mobile phones. It is thought that the consumer goods targeted by boycott campaigns represent around 3% to 5% of the Israeli export economy. _____ From: rbtaft at rtconnect.net To: ; Subject: Fw: [wvns] Mark Glenn: Send In The Clowns Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:48:12 -0600 And in this manner do the Zionists commemorate their Holahoax. There have been upwards of a hundred UN sanctions against Israel for their inhumanity, ever ignored by these professional victims, who see the rest of the world as their enemies. Israel uber alles! To their shame, delegates from the UK and other zionist dominated governments walked out; the zionist occupied US sent no delegates. Best regards, Bob Taft The Taft Ranch Upton, Wyoming (307) 465-2206 http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=74897 "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." AESOP From: Phyllis Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:16 AM To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Subject: Fw: [wvns] Mark Glenn: Send In The Clowns ----- Original Message ----- From: World View To: wvns at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: [wvns] Mark Glenn: Send In The Clowns Send In The Clowns?Jewish Interests Attempt to Turn Conference Against Racism Into Episode of the Jerry Springer Show Mark Glenn April 27, 2009 http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/send-in-the-clowns-jewish-inter ests-attempt-to-turn-conference-against-racism-into-episode-of-the-jerry-spr inger-show/ On April 20, the day before sirens wailed and moaned in the Jewish state for a full two minutes commemorating the one event said to be the greatest manifestation of racism in mankind's history?the Holocaust?the United Nations held a conference in Geneva Switzerland to discuss that same topic of racism and its role in real-life present day events. However, in contrast to the solemn, serious, sober demeanor demanded by Jewish groups whenever "racism" and how it affects their peculiar history of suffering and persecution is discussed, the gathering in Geneva might as well have been a scene from the 1970's movie Animal House. Rather than proceeding as a serious-minded congress of world leaders dealing with matters of life and death for millions of people around the world, it was marked with catcalls, boorish jeers and locker-room antics on the part of Jewish "activists". Hell-bent on preventing any substantive, rational discussion from taking place concerning that great experiment in Jewish self-rule in the Middle East and its role as the single greatest source of state-sanctioned racism in the world today, it might as well have been a funeral service of sorts where all respect and decorum normally associated with such a gathering are destroyed by a group of never-before-disciplined gypsy children belching out loud and laughing about it. Donning clown wigs and hurling both rubber noses and racist comments towards Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejhad as he begun the conference's keynote speech with a prayer referencing Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed, various members of organized Jewish groups (who by virtue of their connections know they have nothing to fear) demonstrated they are not in the least bit interested in the same qualities of free speech, tolerance and open-mindedness about which they and their associates are constantly lecturing the rest of the world. Knowing that an international conference dedicated to the discussion of racism cannot but include the Jewish state and its institutionalized anti-Gentilism that seems to pervade all politics and legal business of the day, the shucksters indeed accomplished (at least partly) their mission by making juvenile spectacles of themselves, doing their damndest to turn the event into any typical raucous, rowdy nonsense that is daily fare with anything involving Jerry Springer, Howard Stern, Sasha "Borat" Cohen or Sarah Silverman. Not to be outdone (and as if to make the point that "respectable" people can clown around just as much as their better brethren in the Jewish community) various European diplomats from countries economically-beholden to Zionist interests stormed out in goose-stepping unison as well, shouting words such as "shame!" from scripts handed to them before the event began. Those assuming the impish behavior on the part of the clowns and diplomats was all just a spontaneous event springing forth from the wellspring of organic, justifiable indignation should think twice. The event was a coordinated, planned maneuver on the part of Israel going all the way to up to "Bubba" himself, Netanyahu. Interviewed by Israeli press immediately afterwards, one of the hecklers, Boaz Toporovsky let the cat out of the bag that indeed he and his cohorts were merely "following orders" by saying "At first they (the UN) wouldn't let us in, but we managed to sneak in to the gallery. At first we thought to wave an Israeli flag, but people in the Foreign Ministry told us that it would be better not to thrust Israel to the `front' like that, so we settled for shouting." In other words, the juvenile behavior on the part of the clowns and their European diplomat lackeys was all an official act of sabotage on the part of the Jewish state, organized and coordinated by Israel's Foreign Ministry in Switzerland where the event was held. As anyone with any experience on the matter can attest (and as described by ex-Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky in his books By Way of Deception and The Other Side of Deception) the embassies of the Jewish state worldwide are little more than spy nests chock-full of highly-trained intelligence officers, assassins and saboteurs for Israel. Given the fact that Mossad operations usually end up with a bomb going off in some public place (resulting in scores of dead civilians afterwards blamed on some "terrorist" Muslim group) all those in attendance at the conference should thank their lucky stars that the clowns only smuggled colored wigs inside rather than guns, plastic explosives or some deadly biological agent. It is no mystery why Israel feared the conference and?more importantly? the remarks of the Iranian president. Besides being well-known for his soft-spoken/reasonable demeanor, his sense of fairness and concern for human rights there are other things to consider as well. The Jewish state stands condemned before the world following its recent massacre in Gaza. Despite her best attempt at?surprise, surprise?lying her way out of it, nevertheless she could not convince the world that the pictures flowing out of Gaza depicting machine-gunned women and incinerated children's' bodies were but figments of some anti-Semite's imagination. Condemned for her blatant war crimes, Israel had everything to lose and nothing to gain from a rational, open discussion of racism taking place in Geneva Switzerland, where generations before laws were constructed outlining "civilized" rules for war. It would be like the citizens of Chicago convening a town meeting to discuss the lawlessness of the city following the Valentine's Day Massacre and Al Capone and his gang doing everything they could to disrupt it. Any discussion of Israel where the subject of racism is absent is like a spaghetti and meatball dinner without the spaghetti and meatballs. Israel IS racism defined, something made abundantly clear in recent years as both religious and secular leaders alike increasingly speak their minds without fear of the consequences. From Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg's infamous "Jewish blood and a goy's (gentile's) blood are not the same" to the recent admission on the part of certain members of the IDF who participated in the Gaza massacre that it was done to "cleanse" the Holy Land of impure gentiles, the Jewish state stands with blood dripping from both her hands and lips in a room full of recently killed people and she knew it. Nevertheless, the soft spoken Ahmadinejhad (referred to as the "Tyrant from Tehran" and the "New Hitler" by the great, great grandchildren of those who called for Christ's crucifixion) managed to bring sanity to the gathering with his well-reasoned, well-spoken arguments, which of course was what Israel and her supporters feared more than anything else. In many ways the spectacle in Geneva resembled the same juvenile behavior exhibited famously in the US several years back when the Iranian president arrived in New York to address the UN General Assembly. Elected officials (including some at the federal level) university presidents, mayors, chiefs of police made embarrassing displays of themselves and America in trying to outdo each other in demonstrating their loyalty to Jewish interests by berating the world leader with as much drama and media coverage as possible. Surprisingly though (or perhaps not) nary a single protest from organized Jewish groups has been chronicled concerning what would normally (at least to the rest of the civilized world) be considered embarrassing behavior giving a bad name to the group. Whether it is the ADL, the World Jewish Congress or even "nice" Zionist groups such as Rabbi Michael Lerner's "Tikkun", not a peep of apology has been forthcoming to the people of the world or even?Yahweh forbid?a condemnation or public scolding of the miscreants. One would think?and especially after considering the millions of hours spent pontificating on the evils of racism over the last 6 decades?that Jewish groups would have treated the gathering with the same kind of serious, sober solemnity they demand from everyone else when they themselves are clutching the microphone like an alcoholic clutches his bottle. However, alas, it obviously was not to be, and for easily-explained/easily-understood reasons. At the risk of indulging in overused clich?'s it is "SOP," "Business as usual" and "Nothing to report/All systems normal" as far as the Jewish state and its behavior is concerned. After all, again this is the same "light among nations" that recently bombed and incinerated to death as many as 1,000 innocent women and children in Gaza, an event later admitted by several IDF soldiers to have been the product of the Jewish state's inherent racist tendencies as propagated by the Jewish religion but supported nevertheless by as much as 75% of Jews worldwide according to recent polls. In the Judeo-centric world-view of today's flat-earthers, only Jewish suffering matters. As famed Jewish writer Yossi Klein Halevi wrote in his book `Memoirs of a Jewish Extremist', the "billions" of non-Jews who "lived, suffered, and died" were no more than "extras" in a big Jewish drama, and that human experience was really just "Jewish experience." Whether the Jewish state murders 1,000 or 1,000,000,000 makes no difference in the final analysis, because only Jews are people and non-Jews are animals in human form created to serve the Chosenites. Israel might as well have killed EVERY person in Gaza?totaling over 1.5 million?and it would be the moral equivalent of squashing insects, just as professional terrorist and former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir asserted years ago when he claimed? "The Palestinians should be crushed like grasshoppers, their heads smashed against boulders and walls." Therefore, in such a construct as this, the suffering of others is nothing but a big joke and vaudeville number. That being the case, how better to turn such an event into a huge laughing matter than to send in the clowns? The hypocrisy surrounding it all?despite being typical when it comes to anything dealing with the Chosenites?is nevertheless tsunamic in its scope. Were it a conference dedicated to discussing Jewish suffering (perceived to be truly the most refined, priceless and precious of all) and even a MICROBE of the aforementioned flatulating-out-loud-in-the-middle-of-church childish behavior taking place and rather than just a few 2-minute sirens in Israel it would be every noise-making device found in every corner of the globe?full blast?24/7 for God knows how long. The Emergency Broadcast Systems of the world's nations?normally reserved for something truly serious and life-threatening such as a natural disaster or imminent threat of nuclear attack?would be kicked into overdrive, the noise pollution of which would make its way to the outer reaches of space millions of light years away. Summing up the driving force behind the recent circus? Perhaps it was the holy, blessed and wise Rabbi Leon Spitz writing for `The American Hebrew' in 1946 who said it best with? "The anti-Semite has no morals and no conscience. We must fill our jails and our asylums with anti-Semitic lunatics and we must harass them to such an extent that none will wish to become fellow travelers." But possibly more relevant are the words of war criminal and former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon himself, who with unmistakable arrogance and chutzpah revealed the contempt maintained by the Jewish state for any investigations or discussions concerning the violence Israel perpetrates against gentiles when he was quoted saying? "Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial." 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Going to the tab: "About FD" on the site will connect you to a Flash Presentation which provides an overview of Future Dawning. The FD Center is currently composed of 15 websites set up on the NING.com platform. Each one is called a "Portal and Pathway" which is custom designed to represent an interest critical to the social transformation society is currently undergoing. Through the synergetic information transfer and exchange among members here, greater understanding of our turbulent times may be gained, and thus more appropriate action take. So, something for almost everyone and we will be adding additional P&Ps as interest indicates need. I will be e-mailing separately a list describing the different Portals and Pathways Suggestions for additional Portals and Pathways may be submitted by e-mail to: dustysummerrose at gmail.com Main Focus Our main focus is to unite major worldwide movements so that we-the-people are presenting more of a unified voice which serves in the best interests of all concerned. The current focus is on bringing together individuals and small groups involved in the 1. Human Consciousness Movement, 2. The Sustainable Living and Voluntary Simplicity Movements, and 3. The Women's Movement. Links to Other Movements We are also linking with larger movements in order to engage more people in the overall movement as documented by ecologist/economist Paul Hawken, currently known as "Blessed Unrest". www.blessedunrest.com We are currently linked with The Transition US Movement: www.TransitionUS.com The Zeitgeist Movement: www. thezeitgeistmovement.com/home.html. However, it must be noted that while the Zeitgeist Movement represents The Venus Project as designed by Jacques Fresco as "the solution," Future Dawning considers it as "one among many" options which may offer viable solutions. What it very much offers is "a place from which to begin envisioning the future." A video revealing the overall focus of the Zeitgeist Movement is available on each Portal and Pathway. Acknowledging: Brian Morin - It is with deep gratitude to Brian Morin that I acknowledge him for his volunteer contribution to Future Dawning over the past six weeks. Without the many hours spent putting up the test site and testing applications before installing them, Future Dawning would not be online today. Brain is a resident of Quebec in Canada. No further information for Brian is available at this time except for an e-mail address: brian.morin at gmail.com Joelle de Lespinois - As the initial web designer for Future Dawning, Joelle has in addition spent an incredible amount of time as a volunteer on the final NING version of the website. Without this additional contribution, and her eternal patience and commitment, Future Dawning would not be online and where it is today. We began with a template only to discover that the vision for FD exceeded the amount of information which could be contained within the template. My fault entirely - but then live and learn. There were so many times in the process when I was ready to give it all up. But, with time, and willing hands, the vision finally became a reality. Joelle is also a founding member of Future Dawning and her bio and web address may be found below. www.sanddancr.com Les Squires, NING & Skype - When it comes to Les, I truly am almost speechless. How this man does what he does, I really don't know - he seems to be everywhere at the same time. But, again, were it not for Les, Future Dawning would not be a reality. Having discovered the NING platform, I recognized it as the solution to what was needed for Future Dawning. Joelle was involved in two paying jobs by this time from which she could not take time out and I had not yet met Brian. And the proposed launch date for Future Dawning was long overdue. I had had a computer crash which set the plan back a good three months. And while I could do the basics on NING, just could not figure out how to do what was really required since I do not write html. But, having joined TransitionUS, I saw Les' photo on the site as Co-founder and figured he might help. So, I sent out an SOS, and after several weeks we connected. Les, not only pitched in and immediately put up the Portals and Pathways menu which connected the sites together, (solving one big problem) but helped by coaching me in a lot of little things as well. However, the greatest thing was introducing me to Skype and patiently showing me how to use it to its best advantage. Being able to work together, view the webpage, or see Les on video, and have hands free and able to take notes, was truly a godsend. Not only that, but Skype is instant messaging as well where files can be transferred, URLs put up for instant viewing, and messages left when the recipient is not available, etc., -- just a few of the benefits. No waiting for e-mails to be delivered and then searching records for them - everything is right at your fingertips with Skype. The clarity is also much better than phone. And, I live in a mountainous region where cell phone is not available in my cabin. So, if you are planning on setting up a new website, and joining the transition movement, may I suggest using NING with Skype . It's not only free, but most of the work is done for you. If you would like to contact Les, send me a message and I will see that he gets it via Skype. >From my point of view, in this time of great chaos, it makes good sense to join both TransitionUS and Future Dawning. The two organizations are complementary to one another. And while there is some overlap, each one has its unique differences. It really is about "integration" and "cooperation" today. United we stand, divided we fall. So, let's get connected and move it. The minute hand is long past a quarter to midnight. MEMBERS: Introducing: Sada Nam Kaur - Sada Nam lives in Spain, but was born in England. We met on Facebook and discovered our common interests via further communication there. Sada Nam is now a member of Future Dawning on my personal website, "Transforming Our World with Mary Rose and Friends," as she will be helping to formulate policy for Future Dawning as well as conducting research for articles related to human consciousness, sustainable living and other related subjects, all of which she is well informed on. Helping others transform their lives is what Sada Nam is all about. Further information will be forthcoming in the next Update. Susanne Swift - Susanne is an accomplished instructor in Kundalini Yoga. She and I also met on Facebook, but co-incidentally, she is married to Brian Morin and is friends with Sada Nam Kaur. Neither of which I knew at the time of our meeting, and did not discover until sometime later. Susanne is a member of both "Integral Women in Motion" and the FD "Sustainable Living Network". Further information will be available in the next update. Featured new members this month are: Carolyn Baker, Ph.D., Hostess of " Speaking Truth to Power" www.carolynbaker.net/site/ Bruce Cryer, President - Institute of HeartMath, LLC - http://www.institute of heartmath.org Daniela Haskara - Owner - Sacred Films. www.sacredfilms.com Kathy Jacobsen: TransitionUS - Ohio, Founder transitionohio.ning.com/profile/KathyJacobsonRN Joelle de Lespinois: (Founding Member) - Owner: SandDancr Studios: www.sanddancr.com Kent P. Mesplay, Ph.D : (Founding Member) www.mesplay.org Adrian Ramsey: PRIZM, www.linkedin.com/pub/3/7a7/619 Pamela Leigh Richards: www.flywithmeproductions.com Christine Whitney Sanchez: www.christinewhitneysanchez.com/ Les Squires, Co-founder of the Transition US Movement: www.transitionUS.com Stephanie Sutton - Flanagan: (Founding Member) - VIP at PhiScience: http://www.phisciences.com/ Dimitar Tchurovsky: http://knol.google.com/k/dimitar-tchurovsky/netocracy-self-governing-society /mp8du5m8vcjb/3# V. Vernon Woolf, Ph.D. - President and Founder - The International Academy of Holodynamics: www.HoloDynamics.com, & Chairman of the Board: Global Alliance Foundation: http://www.global-alliance-foundation.com/ Reinhold Ziegler: - General Partner, SynergyCA: http://www.synergyii.com/synergyca/SCCatalog2007.pdf Countries with FD Members: Future Dawning currently has members from the following countries: U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Abu Dubai, Spain, and England. Initial Funding Initial funding for the Future Dawning website provided by: Dr. G. Patrick Flanagan and Stephanie Sutton-Flanagan. See "About Dr. Flanagan" at www.phisciences.com Linking of Creative Minds We are seeking out the most creative minds we can find to link up and collaborate on how to resolve the "unprecedented" challenges the human family faces today. Please note that a request to join Future Dawning is not intended as a request to give up your own pre-established web presence, but to enhance it by joining as an individual and/or establishing a "group" presence. When one sets up a presence on Future Dawning, there is a place to provide information which links you to your home base. However, if you do not have a website, then Future Dawning can act as an interim step to achieving a web presence. Volunteer Opportunities: Having used our initial funding, we are currently an all-volunteer organization in need of web site designers, site administrators, multi-media specialists, and admin. assistants to aid in maintaining the site. FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Future Dawning Alliance - Grassroots movement for social change thru the evolution of human consciousness, focusing on self-reliance in a resource-based economy. Current thoughts are that in order to accomplish a transition based on achieving something In the "best" interests of all concerned, we may need two different economies operating simultaneously. A. Accomplishes Social Systems Redesign B. Designs and Implements alternative education programs II. People for a Sustainable Future: Learning Center for the simple living and sustainable living movements taking place today. This center will also address issues related to water issues, oceans, rivers and streams, rainforest conservation, global climate change, etc. And, as well address how to accomplish a move into simple living and the construction of sustainable living communities in today's world. III. Coherent Hearts Network: Unites people and organizations worldwide participating in heart-centered activities directed toward maintaining health and well-being. Transforms food system and coordinates exercise programs (Tai Chi, Qigong, Yoga) for overall health and well-being. IV. Integral Women in Motion: Unites individual women and women's groups worldwide, connecting with other movements, e.g., sustainable living and human consciousness. V. Crystal Clearwater Alliance: Media Center for grass roots movement to coalesce in demanding truth from government and all other entities in all areas. Let's get rid of the lies, so we can begin to make decisions about our future based on valid information. VI. New Energy Coalition: Brings together individuals and groups interested in creating clean energy and water resources. VII. Waste Not - Want Not: Brings groups and individuals together to address waste remediation issues and find solutions. With resource depletion coming on so rapidly, we must now look to mining our waste dumps for valued resource. We must move beyond "recycling" and into "recapture". VIII. Quantum Corner: Brings together physicists and others in the study of Quantum Physics and its contribution to society today. This site is by invitation only and serves as also as a gathering place for the most informed members of Future Dawning. IX. Honu International - Unites Indigenous people worldwide X. Spiritual Center - Considers the origination of homo sapiens as we know this species today. Probes the possibility of Extra-terrestrial Life on Earth. Explores the work of Zechariah Sitchin and his translation of the Sumerian Tablets as intertwined with the Bible. Considers archaeological finds from the Neolithic Age to present. Considers different religions and their impact on the world today. XI. Future Dawning Artist's Corner: Brings together artists of all representations interested in using their creativity to design a better world XII. Future Dawning Test Site - Site Administrators use this site to test out new applications, tags, etc. before installing them on the site. XIII. Future Dawning Admin/Resource Center . This is currently the entryway to the FD Portals and Pathways from the splash page. It will also serve as a Multi-media Resource Center, and at some point we will have a Future Dawning Store that will be housed here. We also plan to compose a Future Dawning e-zine which will serve as a promotional piece for the organization. Published quarterly, it will feature exceptional people who stand out from the crowd in the various movements. a. It is our intent to also construct a worldwide "Classified Ads" site devoted specifically to those looking for work, needing a place to stay, in dire need of help, etc. during these down times. b. As people create new sustainable living communities, or relocalize and/or retrofit communities, we will begin to publish a "Habitats in Harmony" website which will list all of the different communities worldwide and provide information on the amenities provided. c. We will also provide a website which will identify all of the "Community Learning and Information Centers" (CLICs) worldwide. These centers provide for the initial steps of community organizing in preparation for the next step in "relocalizing" or creating a new community. d. In addition to the CLICs, we will be promoting "wellness" centers on an international basis to provide for information on alternative means of healing. XIV. Future Dawning Communications Network. Currently under construction, but if you are involved in communications technologies of any type (including film-making) and would like to join our worldwide effort to make communions easier, please get in touch with me. Maryrose333 at att.net. What we can do is dependent upon how much volunteer time we can accrue to help get the sites up and the news out. So, if you have the skills we need and some spare time, please join in and help out. FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Fri May 1 23:24:03 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:24:03 -0700 Subject: [GJM] Bionaids and Oxysilver - - Ending Fears of Pandemics with NASA Technology Message-ID: <001f01c9cae6$37fb1360$a7f13a20$@net> http://www.free-press-release.com/news/200809/1222207304.html And the Truth shall set you free!!!!!! Amazing isn't it? Bionaid and Oxysilver - Ending Fears of Pandemics with NASA Technology Pasted from For_Immediate_Release: United States of America (Press Release) September 23, 2008 -- The man that developed a key ingredient in BIONAID and the covalent silver reactor technology used by NASA began his voyage, leading to discovery of covalent silver, at age twelve while observing people receiving communion from a chalice that had been subjected to sneezing and coughing. Later, he asked the priest about possible contamination to the rest of the congregation. The priest said that he need not worry, as pure silver removes the contaminates. The discovery of covalent silver begins in 1954. At the tender age of twelve, while attending church services, the inventor (whose name is confidential) observed people receiving holy communion. People infected with colds and other ailments were seen sneezing or coughing over the communion chalice. Later, he asked the Priest about possible contamination to the remainder of the congregation. The priest said that he need not worry because pure silver kills viruses and harmful bacteria. The inventor actually believed this hilarious story. Thus began his life long fascination with silver as a health supplement. As the years passed, he pondered about how to destroy disease-causing parasites by taking advantage of the safe and natural properties historically documented about silver. He applied for a patent for a silver filter device to be implanted inside the human body. That patent was denied in 1985 because of an existing patent on a boiler blow-back tube by Thomas Jefferson. Nevertheless, he continued to consider methods which would expose human blood-carried parasites to pure silver. He began to focus upon circulating pure silver within the bloodstream, studying ionization, electrolysis, colloidal silver forms, and electroplating. He became fascinated with the combined conductivity of charged silver and charged water. In 1986, whilst working with Louisiana University on another invention, he mentioned his covalent silver idea to colleagues and friends. A professor at the University brought a bible verse to his attention, in Exodus 32:19, Moses took the golden calf, burned it and ground it to fine powder, scattered it on the water, and made the Israelites drink it. Thus he thought that if he could suspend pure silver in pure water permanently then silver could operate more effectively internally, circulating throughout the body, destroying harmful micro-organisms. He designed a reactor that suspended pure silver in pure water and faxed the drawing to a trusted machinist in Colorado Springs who machined several vital components. After assembly, the reactor was taken to a friend in Pueblo, Colorado who had well water that he knew was chemical-free. He experimented with various water flow rates and electrical settings, and then went to several laboratories and universities attempting to generate interest for testing, but was repeatedly told that permanent suspension of a metal in water was impossible and against the laws of physics. In 1989, he traveled to an area in Venezuela swarming with mosquitoes (Genus Anopheles), with the intention of proving his theories by purposely infecting himself with a protozoan of the genus Plasmodium in red blood cells, which is transmitted to humans by the bite of an infected female anopheles mosquito. Without his wife's knowledge or consent, he allowed several malarial mosquitoes to bite him and transmit the infectious parasite. After the 21st day of incubation he awoke a very sick man with extreme chills and fever. He then admitted to his wife that he had purposely infected himself, and asked her to give him the weakest batch of covalent silver . As anticipated his recovery began internally within fifteen minutes, and astoundingly within several hours he regained the strength to get out of bed and swim in the pool. Later that evening he acquired the strength to venture out with his wife for dinner and a movie, as the symptoms continued to retreat and disappear. Continuing the treatment until completion has enabled him to remain symptom free since that day in 1989. The inventor met with Richard Leatherwood, a researcher who was attempting to market a device to disclose HIV from a drop blood. He began to theorize that covalent silver might eliminate HIV. Mr. Leatherwood, contacted Dr. Diagne, a professor of HIV research at UCLA and sent him samples of covalent silver. Seven months later Dr. Diagne reported the results; covalent silver had successfully destroyed 30 million diseased cultures, most of which were HIV. In 1994 Mr. Leatherwood took samples of covalent silver to Dr. Panza with Genesis-West Provida, Mexico for testing in vitro and in vivo for cancer patients. During a 21-day testing period, Dr. Panza and his group made a five and a half hour video filmed through an electron microscope, showing the destruction of parasites and yeast fungus in the blood. Dr. Diagne at UCLA had tested covalent silver in the clinical laboratory on cultures, while Dr. Panza worked with humans and on diseased cultures in a clinical laboratory. In 1998, Dr. Carr in Belize began testing on humans, his primary aim being to eliminate sexually transmitted diseases using covalent silver on infected patients. He tested covalent silver successfully on patients suffering from Hepatitis, Malaria, Cholera , Typhus, and many other diseases known in third world countries. In 1999 Dr. Ingnedaay of California began testing patients with Cancer, Hepatitis C and B, HIV, and has reported great improvement and remission. In an article titled - "Promising Cure to URTI Pandemics Including H5N1 and SARS", they state, "Recently Rentz (2003) published a convincing retrospective, peer-reviewed treatise on a highly advanced, effective and safe virotoxic oligodynamic silver (Ag+) hydrosol, making the case that it is the agent of choice to combat SARS. The works of Goetz (1940), Berger et al (1976), Simonetti et al (1992), Russel et al (1994), and Crocker and Grier (1998) collectively established that electrolytically produced oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol provides the ideal speciation of bioactive Ag+ completely harmless to mammals in contrast to other colloidal silver or silver salt speciations that are predominantly inactive and potentially toxic to mammals. They also established that oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol possesses fabulous virotoxic properties. Comprehensive studies conducted by NASA (circa 1970) on a crude oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol preparation offer a compelling argument that today's highly advanced oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosols may be the solution to lessening the impact of viral plagues." In 2005, while looking for the best silver product to carry on mountain guide trips Burk-Elder: Hale, Third (Elder), a mountain guide, fortuitously met with a representative for Bion, a leading dietary supplement concentrate made with the covalent silver reactor. Bion has been developed, studied and tested over a 15 year period in major universities, laboratories and on human subjects worldwide. source: FPR Soon afterwards, a company started bottling Bion for Elder under his own branding - BIONAID - for Range Guide Expeditions and Burk Hale, Incorporated. Elder wanted something to have in the wild to make wild-water safe to drink. Elder began experimenting to improve Bion. Later, he began coordinating tests using Dan Nelson's geometric laser to see the effects on BIONAID. The results were most amazing after being subjected to the laser. In November of 2007, Elder sent a super-concentrated water substrate to be put through the covalent silver reactor. Again, the results were most amazing in that the reaction was seen to be unusually stable. Upon being tested by Dan Nelson, the Bionaid was seen to be 100 times more potent and the entire solution, not just the Bion particle, became sub-nanoparticle in size. After negotiations between Burk Hale, Incorporated and their new associates Bion+ BIONAID AgH2O became the most advanced UPCOSH dietary supplement on the market. Elder has donated Oxysilver to Uganda this year and the clinical trials are proving to be a great success in ending fears of pandemic. Basic Bion, branded as Oxysilver for African distribution, is exclusively distributed to Africa by BioAquatic and Elder (associate of BioAquatic). Elder's Oxysilver was the product donated to Uganda for clinical testing this year. Oxysilver for African distribution is marketed by WASART African Youth Movement. Oxysilver is not the same as Bionaid - UPCOSH, as Bionaid has been advanced beyond Oxysilver (or Bion) with technnology developed by Dan Nelson and Elder. WASART will be making UPCOSH available in Africa through special arrangements with the Church of Christ and Elder's ministerial associates, Zion African Youth Alliance, in Africa. The "Oxysilver, sold in America by Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz, is not the same formulation as the original (first sold in America and later promoted internationally on Coast to Coast AM Radio by Dr. Horowitz) and the more advanced Oxysilver sold in Africa. While Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz has endorsed Elder's formula, Elder does not endorse Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz's new formula marketed as "Oxysilver as a formulation that is equivalent to Elder's formulation, and Elder has not authorized the use of his name in the fabricated "interview" or the unauthorized use of Bion tesimonials that Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz has on his website meant to give the appearance that Elder endorses Horowitz's formulation. Elder's Bionaid and Oxysilver are the original, most advanced formulations on the market. While Dr. Horowitz has a good product, do not confuse it with the original and most advanced formulations supported by decades of research and new clinical tests. Learn more at http://www.bionaid.com or call 706-937-7379 For more information: Burk-Elder: Hale, Third 702 Woodgate Road Ringgold, Georgia 30736 Phone 706-937-7379 Pasted from FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A suggested $20 donation is collected for IONS, but instead of using money, you may choose to contribute in kind, to do so first login at www.Favors.org - and then go to Events where you can RSVP giving Thankyous. Please RSVP for every event you are planning to attend so you can be informed of any changes or cancellations. In preparation, you may want to read my books (if you have not already done so) and browse my websites. I will have a few copies to sell of my brand new book, The End of Money and the Future of Civilization. Read all about it at http://www.chelseagreen.com/bookstore/item/the_end_of_money_and_the_future_o f_civilization Please pass this along to others in you California networks. Hope to see you Tuesday! Tom **************************************************************************** ************************* The Global Financial Meltdown: Its Causes, and Opportunities for Localized Restructuring The global financial crisis is no accident. It is the natural outcome of a flawed system that has long been building to a climax. Thomas Greco explains how and why conventional money and banking malfunction, describes the comprehensive metamorphic change that civilization is presently experiencing, and outlines voluntary alternative approaches to exchange and finance that empower communities and reward people fairly. Thomas is a community and monetary economist, writer, networker, and consultant, who for three decades has been working at the leading edge of transformational restructuring. He is regarded as a leading expert in monetary theory and history, credit clearing systems, community economic development, and complementary currencies. A former college professor, he is currently Director of the Community Information Resource Center, a U.S. non-profit networking hub, which provides information access and administrative support for efforts in community improvement, social justice, and sustainability. 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But then wait until you read the article about who is in favor of torture. -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:05 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Tomgram: Karen Greenberg, Human Rights in the Dust (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175066/karen_greenberg_human_rights_in_the_d ust posted April 30, 2009 11:18 am Tomgram: Karen Greenberg, Human Rights in the Dust Recently, in a Washington Post op-ed, Mark Danner wrote: "However much we would like the [torture] scandal to be confined to the story of what was done in those isolated rooms on the other side of the world where interrogators plied their arts, and in the air- conditioned government offices where officials devised 'legal' rationales, the story includes a second narrative that tells of a society that knew about these things and chose to do nothing." Danner, who did as much as anyone to help uncover what the Bush administration was up to in its secret prisons abroad, should know. According to the latest Gallup Poll, a bare majority (51%) of Americans now favor some kind of major investigation "into the use of harsh interrogation techniques on terrorism suspects during the Bush administration." On the other hand, 55% "still believe in retrospect that the use of the interrogation techniques was justified." Of course, who knows what those percentages might have been if Gallup's pollsters, in their questions, had used the word "torture," rather than -- like most of the mainstream -- skittering away from it in favor of a variation on the chosen phrase of the Bush administration, "enhanced interrogation techniques." While Americans remain deeply divided on the use of, investigation of, and prosecution of Bush-era torture practices, at least the subject has now burst into the center of political discussion and debate. In the wake of the Obama administration's release of yet more documents from a seemingly bottomless archive of Justice Department "torture memos," writing on the subject has been fiery, argumentative, provocative, despairing, or some combination of the above. More important, though, it's been pouring out in all its variety to remind us that what was done in our name can still be repudiated in a variety of ways. Just a few suggestions, if you want to plunge in. You might start with international human rights lawyer Scott Horton's No Comment blog at Harper's Magazine on-line. The guy's been all over the subject for a long, long time and his material is unimpeachably on target (and smart). Glenn Greenwald's Unclaimed Territory column at Salon.com is also always worth a careful look, as is Nieman Watchdog, a site I value that has often focused on both torture and press coverage of it. (The site is run by Dan Froomkin, whose Washington Post column, White House Watch, is a daily must-read.) At his AfterDowningStreet website, David Swanson has been writing passionately and brilliantly about why a special prosecutor should be appointed and Bush officials, right up to the former president, should be charged with crimes, while over at Truthout, Elizabeth de la Vega, has offered a provocative discussion of why a special prosecutor should not (yet) be appointed. (Both, by the way, have been TomDispatch regulars.) And don't forget Mark Karlin, who edits Buzzflash.com, and has been penning powerful pieces lately on why Bush and Cheney (et al.) should someday be brought up on actual murder charges. And that's just to scratch the surface of this explosive subject. And then there's Karen Greenberg, TomDispatch regular, Executive Director of the Center on Law and Security at the NYU School of Law, and author most recently of The Least Worst Place: Guantanamo's First 100 Days. In a piece that is part analytic, part confessional, and totally original, she frames the torture debate in a larger way, in terms of the death of the human rights movement. (To catch an audio interview in which she discusses those "torture memos," click here.) Tom Kiss the Era of Human Rights Goodbye What Bush Willed to Obama and the World By Karen J. Greenberg These days, it's virtually impossible to escape the world of torture the Bush administration constructed. Whether we like it or not, almost every day we learn ever more about the full range of its shameful policies, about who the culprits were, and just which crimes they might be prosecuted for. But in the morass of memos, testimony, op-eds, punditry, whistle-blowing, documents, and who knows what else, with all the blaming, evasion, and denial going on, somehow we've overlooked the most significant victim of all. One casualty of the Bush torture policies -- certainly, at least equal in damage to those who were tortured and the country whose laws were twisted and perverted in the process -- has been human rights itself. And no one even seems to notice. So let's be utterly clear: The policies of the Bush administration were not just horrific in themselves or to others, they may also have brought to an end the human rights movement as we know it. One need only glance at the recently released Justice Department memos, which have caused such a media storm of late, for the story of what has happened to human rights in American hands to become clearer. It is not just, as New York Times columnist Frank Rich recently wrote, that "our government methodically authorized torture and lied about it." No less important, though hardly commented upon, is this fact: the United States succumbed to the exact patterns of abusive state action that the human rights movement was created to outlaw forever. What the Bush administration pursued, after all, was a policy of state-sponsored, legally codified dehumanization designed to torture (and in some cases destroy) individuals, which was to be systematically and bureaucratically implemented in the name of the greater good of the country, however defined. The documents that the Obama administration and Congress have just released make this conclusion impossible to avoid. These include four memos written by the Office of Legal Council between 2002 and 2005, the Senate Armed Services Committee Report on Interrogation Practices, and the Senate Select Committee Narrative on the Chronology of the Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) Memos. Added to this must be the publication by Mark Danner in the New York Review of Books of a previously secret International Committee of the Red Cross report on abuse at Guantanamo Bay. As a group, these documents reveal that the pattern of systematic abuse at the hands of the American government during George W. Bush's Global War on Terror has been a textbook case of human rights violations designed and implemented at the highest levels of government. First, there was the assault on the English language, a necessary initial step in the process of changing the national mindset of a country about to become a first-class human-rights abuser. As Susan Sontag once wrote in a piece about the Bush administration and its pretzeling of language, "Words alter, words add, words subtract." Creating American-style Torture Techniques and Manuals Just as the U.S. military at Guantanamo was instructed in January 2002 never to refer to that detention facility as a "prison" and never to call the inmates "prisoners," so the infamous OLC August 1, 2002 "torture memo" that came out of the Justice Department, and was made public in 2004, officially banished torture to the dust heap of history when it came to American actions. It was now to be considered only physical pain of "an intensity akin to that which accompanies serious physical injury such as death or organ failure," or mental pain which produced "lasting psychological harm." Now, that memo's twin has just been released, providing more detailed reasoning about the redefinition of torture. This second August 1, 2002 memo gives us an even more comprehensive picture of the rationale behind the insistence of the Justice Department that the techniques being applied to detainees in the War on Terror in no way amounted to torture. Examining specific techniques of coercive interrogation, all of which would technically violate the U.S. Anti-Torture Statute [18 U.S.C. ???? 2340-2340A], Justice Department officials craftily reasoned their way out of old, well-accepted definitions of universally agreed-upon acts of torture. Thanks to creatively worded explanations, this new August 1, 2002 memo declared that neither "the waterboard," "walling," nor being placed in a box amounted to torture. In situation after grim situation, torture, it was explained, just wasn't the right word. ??? The focus of the just released memo was the interrogation of al-Qaeda terror suspect Abu Zubaydah. According to the memo, Zubaydah simply wouldn't feel pain or suffer repercussions as others might have from these redefined acts of torture. Similarly, extreme "stress positions" could be used on him because he "appears to be quite flexible despite his wound," and because he had already proven he could withstand other abuses. "You have orally informed us that you... have previously kept him awake for 72 hours. From which no mental or physical harm resulted." The Justice Department lawyers, informed by the CIA that Zubaydah was in exceptional physical and psychological condition, conveniently reasoned that the techniques in question wouldn't harm him -- and, of course, they would be oh-so- helpful to the longer term torture goals of the Bush administration. The next step from offering reasons for redefining torture for just one individual -- Zubaydah -- to a general policy proved easy, despite the fact that Zubaydah's powers to withstand and recuperate from these techniques were deemed exceptional. The memos assumed that the next detainees to undergo these methods of interrogation were somehow in the same category as the Navy Seals who had experienced them while undergoing training to resist the techniques of torturers from totalitarian or rogue regimes. Repeatedly, that August memo insisted that such techniques, rather than being the property of torturing regimes, really added up to little more than "physical discomfort," to (at worst) only temporary psychological disorientation, rather than a "profound" disruption of one's psyche. "No prolonged mental harm," the memo asserted, "would result from the use of these proposed procedures." One by one, then, the techniques were intricately described in ways that repainted them the color of mere "abuse," which sounds so penny ante, rather than torture. When it came to sleep deprivation, for example, the reasoning was that, even if "abnormal reactions" did result, "reactions abate after the individual is permitted to sleep." Likewise, "the goal of the facial slap is not to inflict physical pain that is severe or lasting. Instead the purpose of the facial slap is to induce shock, surprise, and/or humiliation." The subjects might believe themselves tortured, but they would be wrong. "The idea," as the memo wrote about what's now called "walling," "is to create a sound that will make the impact seem far worse than it is and that will be far worse than any injury that might result... [whereby] the interrogator pulls the individual forward and then quickly and firmly pushes the individual into the wall. It is the individual's shoulder blades that hit the wall," but his "head and neck are supported by a rolled towel... to help prevent whiplash." Even when there is a modest admission that some damage could actually occur -- that, for instance, "placement" in "small," "cramped" confinement boxes could "disrupt profoundly the senses" -- it was quickly dismissed on the grounds that such confinement wasn't to extend beyond two hours. And finally, there were those assurances in the matter of waterboarding, or so-called simulated drowning, that "the sensation of drowning is immediately relieved" once the procedure is stopped. And this, of course, just grazes the surface of these nightmarish documents that should bring to mind the demonic regimes that gave rise to the human rights movement. Among other things, the Justice Department lawyers writing them weren't just changing the language and redefining torture out of existence, they were offering nothing short of a detailed manual for those about to go to work on actual human beings in just how to perform torture. Take for instance, this description of how to waterboard correctly: "...[T]he individual is bound securely to an inclined bench, which is approximately four feet by seven feet. The individual's feet are generally elevated. A cloth is placed over the forehead and eyes. Water is then applied to the cloth in a controlled manner. As this is done, the cloth is lowered until it covers both the nose and mouth. Once the cloth is saturated and completely covers the mouth and nose, air flow is slightly restricted for 20 to 40 seconds...This causes an increase in carbon dioxide level in the individual's blood... [stimulating] increased effort to breathe... [producing] the perception of 'suffocation and incipient panic,' i.e. the perception of drowning..." One day, perhaps soon, much of the rest of the minutiae produced by the Bush administration's torture-policy bureaucracy will come to light. Procurement lists, for example, will undoubtedly be found. After all, who ordered the sandbags for use as hoods, the collars with chains for bashing detainees' heads into walls, the chemical lights for sodomy and flesh burns, or the women's underwear? The training manuals, whatever they were called, will be discovered: the schooling of dogs to bite on command, the precise use of the waterboard to get the best effects, the experiments in spreading the fingers just wide enough in a slap to comport with policy. The Senate Armed Services Committee's report, released last week, has already begun to identify the existence of training sessions in techniques redefined as not rising to the level of torture. For now, however, we have far more than we need to know that what the United States started when, in 1948, it led the effort to create the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and became the moral figurehead for human rights concerns worldwide for more than a half-century, has come to an end. Eleanor Roosevelt, who led the commission that drafted that 1948 Declaration, remarked at the time that the United States was "the showcase" for the principles embodied in the declaration. Sixty-one years later, that is no longer true. The Human Rights Movement Is History From the very beginning of my own descent into the world of Bush administration torture policy -- and, among other things, I was the co-editor of a 2005 collection of documents, already leaking out then, called The Torture Papers -- I have resisted associating what U.S. officials were doing with past state atrocities. That was another, far worse realm, I reasoned, one in which countless people were disappeared and millions murdered. After all, the unfolding torture policy didn't kill (though some detainees certainly did die from maltreatment in U.S. secret and not-so-secret prisons abroad), it only inflicted pain. Others pointed out similarities between such Bush administration outrages and past barbarisms, but I veered away from analogies which, to my mind, undermined the evils of this particular story. So when Scott Horton compared the Nazi commandant of Auschwitz Rudolf Hoess to those who crafted the U.S. torture policy or Susan Sontag compared administration abuses of language to the linguistic perversions that preceded genocidal acts against the Hutus in Rwanda, I recoiled. Analogies of such an extreme order just didn't suit me. But what I've resisted for five years, since the first Abu Ghraib revelations in the spring of 2004, I now find sadly indisputable. The supposed moral exceptionalism of the most powerful nation on Earth is no more. In its action-packed eight years, the Bush administration ensured that the United States would be the most ordinary of abusing, torturing nations. Through perverse language, a twisting of the law, and an immersion in the precise details of implementing torture techniques, the United States renounced its position as the leader of the global human rights movement. Abandoned by the country it long considered its greatest ally, that movement now teeters at the edge of its grave. That's what the torture memos and the present media uproar over torture really mean. Karen J. Greenberg is the Executive Director of the Center on Law and Security at the NYU School of Law, the co-editor of The Torture Papers: The Road to Abu Ghraib and the editor of The Torture Debate in America. Her most recent book is The Least Worst Place: Guantanamo's First 100 Days. To catch an audio interview in which she discusses the Bush administration "torture memos," click here. From maryrose333 at att.net Sat May 2 00:05:13 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 23:05:13 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Credit Card Companies Snatch Social Security Payments Message-ID: <004a01c9caeb$f8a07380$e9e15a80$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:28 AM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Credit Card Companies Snatch Social Security Payments (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) Credit Card Companies Snatch Social Security Payments - By James Ridgeway | Tue April 28, 2009 12:01 PM PST http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/04/credit-card-companies-snatch-social- security-payments Holes are appearing every day in our so-called safety net. But even amidst all the budget cutting, most elders and disabled people probably feel that their monthly Social Security checks are something they can count on. Having escaped attempts at privatization under Bush, Social Security might appear secure, at least in the short term. Maybe not. As New America Media reports, debt collectors for credit card companies and other creditors are now going after Social Security payments, which are supposed to be exempt from garnishment in such situations. Their tactics include freezing the bank accounts into which a beneficiary's Social Security checks are direct-deposited. When this happens, often without warning, old and disabled people find themselve suddenly without the resources to buy food and medicine, which can trigger a desperate medical crisis. That's right. The meager amounts deposited into our accounts by the Social Security Administration, which many older people now must rely on more than ever before because of layoffs, the real estate crash, and the 401k collapse, are being illegally siezed, often by the very same companies that brought on the crisis in the first place-the big banks and other financial institutions that issue loans and credit cards. After taking in billions in public stimulus funds, they are wringing out every last dime by going after these public pensions, which are supposed to be protected. When you read stories about how Wall Street is relaxing with the comeback of high pay and big bonuses, think about this: Margot Saunders of the National Consumer Law Center estimates that "tens of thousands of people every month," who are elderly or disabled, are being forced into dire financial circumstances. Bank account freezes and illegal garnishments of exempt funds, including veterans' benefits, are shredding safety nets. In her 2008 testimony before a House Ways and Means Subcommittee on Social Security, Saunders included a long list of stories.. According to SSA, its payments provide baseline financial solvency for 13 million Americans, who would otherwise be in poverty. However, a 2008 report by SSA's inspector general, estimated that direct-deposit beneficiaries across the United States have incurred $177.7 million in total garnishments. The report did not attempt to estimate the near incalculable damage of bank account freezes. Bank account freezes are designed to prevent account holders from withdrawing funds before creditors can collect on legal claims. Debt collectors, though, often file claims on exempt accounts. "The freeze creates a hostage-like situation where the creditor can wait out the debtor by demanding payment," said attorney Johnson Tyler, director of the Social Security/Consumer Rights Unit at South Brooklyn Legal Services. Tyler explained that often consumers don't know SSA funds are exempt and agree to make payments to have the freeze lifted, so they can access their accounts. He suggested the problem might be worse in communities where limited proficiency in English is common. The story includes the account of one 60-year-old disabled man, recovering from open heart surgery and dependent upon his monthly Social Security, who went to fill his prescriptions one day, only to find that his Washington Mutual bank account had been frozen because he owed money on an old credit card bill. These apparently illegal efforts to grab exempt funds (which also include SSI, veteran's benefits, and unemployment insurance) have been going on for some time, but they are bound to increase with the recession: While more and more people find themselves hard pressed to pay their bills, a couple of trillion in taxpayer funds doesn't seem to have bought any mercy from the bailed-out banks. From mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com Sat May 2 05:41:52 2009 From: mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com (Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 17:11:52 +0530 (IST) Subject: [GJM] Fw: Who is responsible for Swine flu? Message-ID: <95745.8293.qm@web94915.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Dear Mary and Rima, I am sharing for the needful Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam 58-C,DDA Flats, Ashok Vihar-III,Delhi-110052 Tel:9968345380 --- On Sat, 2/5/09, sudeshkumar at jharkhand.org.uk wrote: From: sudeshkumar at jharkhand.org.uk Subject: Who is responsible for Swine flu? To: Jharkhand at yahoogroups.co.in, jharkhand.forum at gmail.com Date: Saturday, 2 May, 2009, 3:56 PM ? ? Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand.org. in | Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand.org. in | Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand.org. in | Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand.org. in | Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand.org. in | Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand.org. in | Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand.org. in | Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand.org. in | Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand.org. in | Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand Forum ?? Swine flu. Bird flu. Mad cow disease. SARS. These diseases have all spread from animals to humans in one form or another. But animals aren?t to blame for outbreaks of animal-borne diseases ? humans are. Our demand for meat means pigs, turkeys, chickens, cows and other animals must be mass produced in crowded, feces-ridden factory farms like the one in Mexico that is suspected of starting the current swine flu outbreak. These farms are incubators for disease. Precautions such as stockpiling antiviral drugs, closing schools, suspending travel and practicing good hygiene are necessary to help stop the spread of swine flu, but we need to take one more significant measure to prevent future epidemics of animal-borne diseases: Stop raising animals for food. The meat industry?s cost-cutting practices-cramming tens of thousands of animals into filthy sheds and slaughtering them on killing floors that are contaminated with feces, vomit and other bodily fluids-allow diseases such as swine flu, mad cow disease and avian flu to flourish. Authorities believe one of Mexico?s largest pork producers, Granjas Carroll, which is a subsidiary of U.S.-based Smithfield Foods (the largest pork producer in the world), may be the source of the swine flu outbreak. Swarms of flies hover above the lagoons where Granjas Carroll discharges hog feces, and area residents have long complained the waste is tainting the water, polluting the air and causing respiratory infections. In April, residents told reporters that more than half of the town?s population was sick and three children under the age of 2 had died. While it?s easy to point fingers at Granjas Carroll and Mexico, disease-ridden animal factories can be found all over the world. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, studies have shown that 30 to 50 percent of pigs raised for food in the U.S. have been infected with some strain of swine flu. Hans-Gerhard Wagner, a senior officer with the U.N.?s Food and Agriculture Organization, has called the ?intensive industrial farming of livestock? an ?opportunity for emerging disease.? Other harmful organisms, including salmonella, campylobacter, listeria and E. coli, also spread from animals to people. E. coli is found in the feces of farmed animals and often sprays in every direction when animals are eviscerated at slaughterhouses. A study published in the journal Nature revealed that not only are U.S. meat and dairy products more commonly contaminated with E. coli than other foods are, they also contain a substance that can raise the risk of E. coli infection. Although health officials have been quick to point out people can?t get swine flu from eating pork, they have failed to hammer home one significant detail: Raising pigs for pork is what puts us at risk for swine flu in the first place. The fewer pigs, chickens and other animals we raise for food, the fewer animal-borne diseases there will be. It?s that simple. And since meat is high in saturated fat and cholesterol and can cause heart disease, diabetes, certain cancers and a host of other health problems. 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Best regards, Bob Taft From: smacko Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:30 PM To: GovernmentShadow at yahoogroups.com Subject: B.Moyers || Bank of US Senate defeats mortgage relief measure US Senate defeats mortgage relief measure The US Senate on Thursday defeated a measure that could have helped millions of Americans avoid foreclosure by letting bankruptcy judges cut their mortgage payments. http://snipurl.com/h6i59 == Bill Moyers The JOURNAL profiles Steve Meacham, a Boston-based organizer who's trying to halt the tidal wave of evictions and foreclosures plaguing his community. Meacham works for an award-winning organization known as City Life/Vida Urbana, a group that's pioneered new strategies to help working people hold on to their homes in the face of intense pressure from banks. Sen. Dick Durbin: "The Banks are Still the most powerful lobby on Capital Hill. And They frankly Own the place" video: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05012009/watch2.html == Top Senate Democrat: Bankers 'Own' the US Congress By Glenn Greenwald http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22534.htm Here's Jane Hamsher, with Rachel Maddow, in February, assessing the motives of people like Evan Bayh and analyzing who owns and controls them (begins at the 3:00 minute mark): video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj5wxAdLlds _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.13/2091 - Release Date: 05/01/09 17:52:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sat May 2 14:27:41 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 13:27:41 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: On Humanity Healing Network: Healing Wisdom 2 May Message-ID: <008101c9cb64$74aef140$5e0cd3c0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: Humanity Healing Network [mailto:mail at humanityhealing.ning.com] Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 11:26 AM To: maryrose333 at att.net Subject: On Humanity Healing Network: Healing Wisdom 2 May A message to all members of Humanity Healing Network Blessings friend, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt "Fear is, I believe, a most effective tool in destroying the soul of an individual - and the soul of a people" ~Anwar el-Sadat We are constantly barraged with stories that feed on our fears. There are two types of fear: healthy fear and unhealthy fear. Healthy fear is necessary when there is a real danger because it leads to constructive steps to prevent harm. It is really a sense of self-preservation. Unhealthy fear simply paralyzes our will to act positively and leads to general unhappiness. It is irrational and is, in reality, merely an illusion. The way to deal with this fear is to recognize the strength that is at the core of your soul and use it to control your mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H88wz1GpSkE Together we don't get spooked, Humanity Healing Team Visit Humanity Healing Network at: http://humanityhealing.ning.com -- To control which emails you receive on Humanity Healing Network, go to: http://humanityhealing.ning.com/profiles/profile/emailSettings From dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk Sun May 3 06:44:54 2009 From: dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk (dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 12:44:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GJM] The Illuminati, and TFE!!! Message-ID: <21866.86294.qm@web27407.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> ?I found the following rather amusing! I was even accused once for working for the corporations to bring about TFE! What a laugh! ? However, TFE does believe that change is more likely if we work with the present financial system...it can infact either work for or against the power elites of the world....Big subject! ? ? Robert Searle ? ??????????????? http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Transfinancial_Economics ? ? Re:The transition...is it worth it? 4 Days, 13 Hours ago Feedback: 8?? alexis wrote: In my view the transition is well under way, going full speed ahead and is unstoppable. We, the 'little people' are just along for the ride. In my view the conditions for a complete collapse are being engineered in order to "Set up a set of circumstances where the conclusion is obvious. Let them think they came up with the idea themselves. They'll think they're smart that they figured it out. Who cares how you persuade them, the fact they can be persuaded is factually correct, it's possible." www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030.../01125106.guest.html The blueprint for a transition to some form of "Transfinancial Economics" has been worked out and agreed upon by the elite "illuminati" and is under way. The only thing we don't know is the timing, what the next 9/11 event and catalyst will be, and how long will take before implement/introduce "Transfinancial Economics" to the world. Will it be 2010, 2011 or longer? That is something I would hope Peter eventually goes into in his radio address, but realize the release of information is tightly controlled by the elite of the ZeitGeist movement. Dude... what you say is a distinct possibility... I don't take it neither as fact... nor as bogus. It's just that: a possibility. But realize this: these people the NWO or whatever, if they exist, have power through US! They can't do it alone or without us... 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This email is a great example.We are several days past our goal to send out the newsletter, but last night I was given information so cool that I saw the higher purpose in Devine time rather than my time. I have had the pleasure of attending the Hay House "I Can Do It" event in San Diego this week end, and Friday Night Wayne Dyer was the opening keynote speaker. He spent much of his time introducing Bruce Lipton to the audience of thousands. In addition he announced a new PBS Special soon to be released, perhaps as early as June. It appears to be Dr. Dyer's intention to introduce Bruce to the world in a big way. This is big news my friends, and you are among the first in the world to hear. Our day to change the world is at hand. Be ready to spread the word and be a magnify the light that shines through you. I also have a gift for those of you wanting to Attend the 4 day Retreat with Bruce Lipton and Rob Williams in Denver, July 16th - 19th. 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URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sun May 3 11:54:17 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 10:54:17 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Politics, Profits & Pandemic Fear Mongering Message-ID: <001e01c9cc18$30fce010$92f6a030$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 9:02 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Politics, Profits & Pandemic Fear Mongering (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) Also: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/01/ AR2009050102642.html Mexico Scientists Say Flu's Ability to Spread Is 'Fairly Low' By Joshua Partlow and William Booth Washington Post Foreign Service Friday, May 1, 2009; 4:06 PM MEXICO CITY, May 1 -- Mexican scientists studying the influenza virus here have found that its ability to spread from person to person is "fairly low" and no more infectious than normal seasonal flu, giving them hope that they can better contain its spread. ----------- http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13433 Political Lies and Media Disinformation regarding the Swine Flu Pandemic By Michel Chossudovsky Global Research, May 1, 2009 What is the flu? Influenza (the flu) is a serious contagious respiratory illness caused by influenza viruses. Millions of people in the United States get the flu each year. Most people are sick for about a week. Some people (especially young children, pregnant women, older people, and people with chronic health problems) can get very sick and may die from the flu. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) The World Health Organization (WHO) raised its pandemic alert level to Phase 5 on a 6 point scale. The WHO's Phase 5 alert means "there is sustained human-to-human spread in at least two countries and that global outbreak of the disease is imminent... It also signals an increased effort to produce a vaccine... Human cases have been confirmed in Mexico, the United States, Canada, Britain, Israel, New Zealand and Spain." (emphasis added) According to reports, the WHO took this decision after " a 23-month- old [child] died [from the swine flu] in Texas after travelling there from Mexico for medical treatment." >>Media Disinformation News reports point to "hundreds of New York schoolchildren reported to have fallen sick with "suspected swine flu". There was, however, no evidence corroborated by lab examinations of the incidence of the swine flu H1N1 strain. In all likelihood, the children were suffering from the flu, which is part of a common occurrence during the month of April. "All the cases were mild, no child was hospitalized, no child was seriously ill," Dr. Frieden said. Health officials reached their preliminary conclusion after conducting viral tests on nose or throat swabs from the eight students, which allowed them to eliminate other strains of flu." Tests were conducted on school children in Queen's, but the tests were inconclusive: among these "hundreds of school children", there were no reports of laboratory analysis leading to a positive identification of the influenza virus. In fact the reports are contradictory: according to the reports, the Atlanta based CDCP is the "only lab in the country that can positively confirm the new swine flu strain - which has been identified as H1N1." (NYT, April 25, 2009) Influenza is a common disease. Unless there is a thorough lab examination, the identity if the virus cannot be established. It is revealing that the Atlanta-based CDCP is playing a key role in identifying the virus on behalf of several Latin American countries, including Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador and Costa Rica. On April 30th, the US government established a CDCP lab in Mexico. In other words, a US government agency is monopolising the conduct of laboratory testing, the data and analysis. << ============ http://vaccineawakening.blogspot.com/2009/05/politics-profits- pandemic-fear.html FRIDAY, MAY 01, 2009 Politics, Profits & Pandemic Fear Mongering by Barbara Loe Fisher Are you grabbing your face mask, stocking up on food and Tamiflu, locking your doors and keeping your TV tuned to the news to find out just how bad the "swine flu pandemic" really is going to get? While Americans are being scared to death, few are noticing how much of their tax money politicians are giving to drug companies and government health officials to grease the skids to create more experimental flu vaccines and drugs and more effective ways to quarantine or force their mass use whenever a "public health emergency" is declared in the future. Call me cynical but not clueless. The bird's eye view I have had for the past 27 years at the National Vaccine Information Center has taught me one thing: the global alliance between Big Pharma and Big Public Health is a prescription for disaster that could extend far beyond a bout with the flu. The international drama playing out right now before our eyes is an example of how citizens around the world can be easily manipulated by doctors and politicians engaging in fear mongering in the name of disease control to forward agendas that have more to do with ideology, power and corporate profits than health. When the U.S. Director of Homeland Security is the government official doing the talking rather than the U.S. Director of the Centers for Disease Control, put a copy of the U.S. Constitution in your pocket and take a look at federal and state legislation passed since September 11, 2001 to understand which civil rights you don't have anymore when government health officials declare a "public health emergency." But before we take a look at the threat to civil liberties that pandemic fear mongering poses, let's take a look at how creation of a global human market for influenza vaccines works. It is a blueprint for Successful Marketing 101 (or perhaps it is all just a coincidence). In 2006, the World Health Organization (WHO) issued an international call for all nations to do whatever it takes to increase public appetite and demand for annual influenza shots as the main strategy to prepare for an influenza pandemic. In April 2007, the WHO used money donated by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) to fund the creation of influenza vaccine manufacturing plants in Mexico and other countries one week after the FDA gave Sanofi Pasteur a license to produce an experimental bird flu (H5N1) vaccine. Sanofi Pasteur is just one of many drug companies the U.S. government has given millions of dollars to for the creation of bird flu vaccines. On February 19, 2009, the FDA's Vaccines & Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) discussed whether to give approval for the testing of experimental bird flu vaccine on American infants. VRBPAC consumer member, also NVIC's Director of Patient Safety Vicky Debold,PhD, warned that testing of an experimental pandemic bird flu vaccine on infants in the absence of a real epidemic and without assurances that unapproved novel oil based (squalene) adjuvants (AS03, MF59) are safe, could pose unacceptable risks in terms of inducing severe immune dysfunction. On February 27, 2009 it was confirmed that an influenza vaccine maker, Baxter International, had released a mixture of seasonal influenza viruses mixed with unlabeled live bird flu viruses to facilities in Czechoslovakia, Germany, and Slovenia. Baxter, which is waiting for a license to manufacturer bird flu vaccine, explained it was an "accident" and that no harm was done. On April 23, 2009, the world heard the first news reports about a mysterious pig (H1N1) and bird (H5N1) and human hybrid influenza virus that was making people sick near a Mexican pig farm. By April 30, the WHO had issued a Phase 5 "Alert" warning that the world was facing an imminent pandemic influenza epidemic on the strength of several hundred cases of "swine" flu and less than 10 confirmed deaths. The pandemic flu panic that has an especially strong grip on people living in Mexico and the U.S., thanks to the governments of both countries declaring a "public health emergency," has been a good thing for pharmaceutical companies in the pandemic flu business. Wall Street revealed that the pandemic scare sent stock prices soaring for drug companies making anti-viral drugs, rapid flu diagnosis tests and influenza vaccines. Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, Novavax, Baxter, Johnson & Johnson, Roche, BioCryst, and Vical are among the drug companies likely to benefit from the world pandemic panic. In all the chaos that has Americans running to drug stores to buy face masks, closing schools to wipe desks down with rubbing alcohol and avoiding public transportation, there is action being taken behind the scenes by politicians and government health officials to prepare the way for implementation of future quarantine and mass vaccination of citizens with experimental vaccines and drugs that have by-passed normal FDA regulations for demonstrating purity and potency of pharmaceutical products. A "public health emergency" has become an excuse to grease the skids and rush to market experimental drugs and vaccines that are not subject to product liability in the civil courts. The creation of this pharmaceutical company stockholder dream scenario and simultaneous erosion of civil liberties in the name of disease control began in earnest in 21st century America after the tragic events on September 11, 2001. In a time defined by shock, fear, anger and deep sadness, Congress reacted quickly and passed the Homeland Security Act while CDC officials pulled out model state legislation (Model State Emergency Health Powers Act) that gave sweeping new powers to public health officials to use the militia, if necessary, to quarantine citizens and force them to use experimental drugs and vaccines after the U.S. Secretary of Health declares a "public health emergency." The stampede in 2001/2002 to re-write long standing public health laws in this country was fueled by reports that terrorists were in possession of weaponized smallpox and anthrax, a fear that was fostered by U.S. government officials and New York Times journalists reporting Iraq had secret stockpiles of weaponized smallpox and anthrax. This myth played a role in public support for the U.S.-Iraq War and persuaded Congress to pass Bioshield and pandemic influenza vaccine legislation that gave billions of dollars to vaccine manufacturers, the Department of Defense (DOD) and the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) to create experimental bioeterrorism and pandemic flu vaccines while protecting drug companies and doctors from liability for vaccine injuries and deaths that will occur. The mandated, mass use of multiple vaccines has become big business in the last quarter century since the U.S. Congress passed a law in 1986 shielding vaccine makers and doctors from liability for vaccine injuries and deaths and the numbers of vaccines recommended by the federal health officials for American children multiplied from 23 doses of 7 vaccines to 48 doses of 14 vaccines from birth to age six. For older children and adults, there are several dozen more federally recommended or state mandated vaccinations. All of this liability protection and government vaccine mandating has been a boon for vaccine profit- making and public health agency empire building. In 1986, four drug companies made and sold vaccines in America and, by 2007, after corporate mergers and acquisitions there were six drug company giants making and selling vaccines in the U.S. Today, there are more drug companies seeking to enter the lucrative multi- billion dollar U.S. vaccine market as financial predictions for global profits from the worldwide vaccine business by 2010 have climbed to more than $20B. A true global influenza pandemic that could take out projected millions of people is something all nations should prepare for using reasonable strategies to ensure the public health and safety. However, it is a matter of legitimate debate as to whether the primary strategy being urged by the WHO, pharmaceutical companies and government health agencies around the world - ramping up production and use of seasonal influenza vaccine and fast tracking the creation and human testing of influenza vaccines using novel but potentially risky adjuvants and cell substrates - is the way to effectively deal with public health or a future influenza pandemic. Certainly, the loss of the human right to bodily integrity and informed consent to taking pharmaceutical drugs and vaccines that may pose serious health risks is not justified in the name of controlling pandemic influenza or any other infectious disease outbreak. Politicians should not bow to additional pressure from vaccine manufacturers and public health officials to by-pass normal FDA standards in proving safety and efficacy of pandemic flu vaccines and their components for the purpose of rushing them to market in response to the pandemic panic that has been created. The swine flu debacle of 1976 should have taught Congress that lesson. A rational perspective that reduces pandemic fear and includes common sense advice for staying healthy in every season is being offered by holistic health doctors, such as Joseph Mercola, D.O. and physician Congressman Ron Paul, M.D. The next time you turn on the TV or the radio or search the internet for the latest news on the flu pandemic, take a deep breath and consider all the natural ways to stay healthy and resist influenza or any illness : washing your hands; eating nutritious food; drinking plenty of water; getting enough exercise, rest and sunshine, and lowering stress - which includes not walking around filled with fear, anxiety and dread. From maryrose333 at att.net Sun May 3 12:27:00 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 11:27:00 -0700 Subject: [GJM] Big Pharma and Media-Fueled Alarm Message-ID: <001401c9cc1c$c358ff30$4a0afd90$@net> May 2, 2009 Rumors, Speculation and Fear: San Miguel de Allende Copes with the Spread of Media-Fueled Alarm, Not H1N1 Virus By Jan Baumgartner Reported from San Miguel de Allende, State of Guanajuato, Mexico For the last several days, I have watched the systematic shutting down of this otherwise tranquil city in the highlands of central Mexico. To date, there are no confirmed cases of the H1N1 virus in the state of Guanajuato. But you would never know that by the air of growing concern, masked faces, and government mandated closings that has this otherwise bustling town still, and eerily quiet. Monday afternoon was the first sign that the fear and ripple effect of the closing down of one of the world?s most populated cities, Mexico City, had worked its way to San Miguel some 180 miles northwest of the country?s capital. The children?s playground at Parque Juarez was all but empty, void of the usual energy and laughter. Walking down Calle Nueva to Natura, the health food store where I do most of my shopping, I was shocked to see faces clad in masks along the cobbled street and on the busier stretch of Ancha San Antonio. Those on foot, bicycles, in cars, all wore pale green face masks on a day that was settling in on 90 degrees and while dry, felt heavy and stifling. Inside Natura the refrigerators and shelves were uncharacteristically bare. A young woman and her son were buying a flat of farm fresh eggs. I overheard her telling another customer that the kids had been sent home earlier that morning, that by decree all schools in Mexico would be shut down until May 6. ?You?re kidding,? I said, ?why, when there hasn?t been a single confirmed case of flu in the state?? ?I know,? she shrugged, ?this media hype is getting ridiculous.? She went on to tell how friends had witnessed a near ?mob scene? at a local pharmacy stripping shelves of hand sanitizers and demanding Tamiflu. ?I think instead of hand sanitizers we should all drop to the ground and eat a little dirt.? She smirked. ?That might be what keeps us healthy.? Her young son, in complete agreement, was grinning from ear to ear. I had to wonder if her comment wouldn?t come back to haunt her one day ? not because she or her family would have contracted the flu, but she may have inadvertently given her son free reign to take daily dust baths. I crossed the street to pick up a few additional groceries at Espinos market and was equally as surprised to see their personnel clad in the suffocating masks and donning plastic gloves. I found myself adding a few extra items to my basket not knowing if I returned in a day, perhaps two, if the shelves might be stripped as food stockpiling would become the task at hand for everyone worried about closings or a reduction or slowing down of deliveries and service. Walking home in the dry and dusty late April heat, I remembered what a Mexican friend had told me last year. April and May are the dustiest, sultriest months of the year after many months of little to no rain, parched earth and desert winds. She said that many Mexicans and gringos living here tend to get sick during those two months, colds, flu, simply due to the dust and dirt ? nothing more than the time of year. I wondered then, would the paranoia already gripping the town only contribute to the panic and, if one got ill during the flu scare who might otherwise have their annual cold or flu, unnecessarily flock to doctors and hospitals fearful of H1N1? Nearing my street of Terraplen I ran into a friend who threw air kisses. Later, at the corner tienda I saw another friend who gave me a hug and a kiss on the cheek. ?What, no air kiss?? I smiled. ?You?ve got to be kidding,? he said, ?this whole flu thing is overblown, media-driven.? I tended to agree. The next day, more and more venues were shutting down; the library, theaters, some bars and nightclubs, art classes, government agencies. I walked down Reloj Street and saw even more people donning masks, mainly Mexicans, a few gringos. The Mexicans in masks were mostly younger, perhaps 20?s and 30?s and more than likely due to the fact that those diagnosed in and around Mexico City were primarily younger adults. The usually bustling jardin or zocalo was nearly empty. An older gringo sat alone on a park bench wearing his mask. On a nearby bench a group of mariachis sat in the shade chatting, their instruments parked, no one to play for. Late afternoon brought yet more news of how rapidly things were changing. Reported on a local online Civil List and posted by Ed Clancy, the U.S. Consular Agent for San Miguel de Allende, I received the following notice: April 28, 2009 Update on Flu Outbreak in Mexico ? Mexico City Closes Most Public Establishments; State Department updates Travel Alert for Mexico U.S. citizens traveling or residing in Mexico City should be aware that on Tuesday, April 28, 2009, the Mayor of Mexico City ordered the closure of all establishments where large numbers of the public gather until May 6, including restaurants, bars, discos, night clubs, cinemas, movie theaters, theaters, gyms, and convention centers. The State Department believes it is important for all citizens to maintain readiness for all possibilities in case of an emergency. Because of potential disruptions in shopping patterns, the U.S. Embassy is advising its employees to consider stockpiling two-weeks of emergency supplies such as food, water, infant formula and medicines, as well as to verify the availability of cash or credit cards. U.S. citizens traveling or resident in Mexico should consider doing the same. On Friday morning, San Miguel?s weekly English newspaper, Atencion, reported the latest: As of April 28, all public activities within the municipality of Allende were restricted. Students of all ages were sent home April 27. Sports centers, museums, libraries, nightclubs and theaters have been requested to close. Churches, although recommended to close, continue to ring their bells. Celebrations for Labor Day on May 1 and the Santa Cruz on May 3 have been cancelled. Restaurants and bars serving food are permitted to continue business as usual. According to Francisco Bautista Espinoza, Civic Protection?s assistant-in-training and public relations officer, supermarkets, pharmacies and banks will stay open but staff are following hygiene recommendations, such as wearing surgical masks and gloves as well as cleaning counters regularly with alcohol or chlorine. Restrictions apply even to private events. ?Weddings, quincea?eras (15th birthday) parties?all must be suspended; Civic Protection is monitoring the city to ascertain the federal mandate is being obeyed,? he said. The Civil List had its share of postings by concerned residents, some skeptical of the ?scare? and its virulence, while others were operating on panic mode. Additional postings by restaurants and caf?s were offering food para llevar (take out) and some delivery service for those afraid to dine in a public place. The paranoia was spreading, far more quickly than any new or suspected cases of flu. But later at Espinos I noticed a change. The employees were no longer wearing masks. ?No masks today?? I asked, ?No,? the cashier smiled waving her hand in front of her face, ?muchas colores!? too hot, she said. The fear was wearing thin. No cases of H1N1 reported. The few days of concern and safeguards were taking a toll and the numbers weren?t adding up. More and more people, both Mexicans and gringos alike were asking ?what is going on, how much of this is blown out of proportion? Was this flu really as deadly and as virulent as the media and government would have us believe?? Initial reported cases of confirmed diagnoses and deaths within Mexico were revised. Instead of thousands confirmed ill from this new strain of flu, governments, health organizations and world media were now saying only 455 cases confirmed illnesses and 16 deaths attributed to H1N1, not 167 previously reported. In a county of 110 million people, these numbers were miniscule. Stats began to pop up and were discussed by those in town: 36,000 die each year in the U.S. during flu season from flu and complications ? how and why was the world in a frenzy over the ?outbreak? of H1N1? When all is said and done there might be plenty of blame to go around. The last couple of day?s news sources are reporting that experts say this flu might very well ?fizzle out? in the next two to three weeks. They say it is possible it may come back in the fall and winter and perhaps stronger, but as with previous reports, this is speculation. What isn?t speculation but sad fact is that it will take months, if not years, for the Mexican economy and its people to rebound from this nightmare. According to a recent Reuters report: ?With its tourism industry savaged, shoppers staying home and exports to the U.S. in steep decline, Mexico could find itself in the longest, deepest recession it has seen in years,? according to analysts. Approximately 45% of Mexicans live in what is described as ?moderate poverty.? Tourism in Mexico generates approximately $14 billion annually and in an economy already depressed and tourism negatively impacted due to the U.S. media reports about widespread drug violence within the country, the nation will fall into even greater despair. Mexico City?s Chamber of Commerce estimates that the city is experiencing a loss of approximately $58 million dollars each day since the outbreak, which doesn?t include escalating losses due to restaurant closures and lack of tourists. We will never know how much of the fear-fueled media hype is responsible for the continued decline and economic depression in Mexico. More and more people are canceling business trips and vacations. I can?t help but feel that both sides of the political coin, the rightwing media voice that has long instilled the fear of ?other,? Mexico, and the unsafe borders, the ?wanton? violence, so blown out of proportion and oftentimes slim or slanted on facts, as well as the extremist leftwing reporting that blames this new strain on malevolent government forces, deliberate biochemical wars, big pharma and the likes ? are all partially responsible for the world-wide paranoia that has systematically taken down a country I have come to love. A country where I live half of my life, feel safe, at home and for which I am grateful. >From my terrace last night, the city seemed eerily quiet. Was I imagining a lack of cars and music and voices usually profound in and around my neighborhood and the jardin, or was it silent due to people afraid to go out, opting to stay indoors or leave town altogether? For a moment I felt vulnerable, not because I felt I was in danger of contracting a flu that had yet to make its way anywhere near my adopted town of San Miguel de Allende, but more so because of the strange ambience and seemingly lack of life around me. Was fear itself, the prospect of panic in upcoming days contributing to my feelings of vulnerability ? the fear of the unknown - the fear of fear? Looking out across the rooftops and marveling at the brilliant lights of the Parroquia Church, Las Monjas and Bellas Artes, I knew I?d be okay. But the ache in my gut was in the knowing that this town, this country would be suffering financial hardship for years down the road. Families, who had little, would have less. Children would go to bed hungry. And at the end of the day, a flu strain that just might not have the wherewithal or virulence that the world was warned of won?t be the only player in what helped further cripple a country, a people, a culture. For my money, much of the U.S. entertainment media that calls itself news but thrives on sensationalism and scare tactics, no longer reliable, factual or accountable for their actions and lacking in journalistic integrity, will be greatly responsible for the suffering it has wreaked on its neighbor. H1N1 was the newest infotainment news. Octomom and her many offspring no longer had enough legs, it was time for a summer hit, an action-packed thriller, and a new flu strain that could wipe out millions worldwide had blockbuster written all over it. Author's Bio: A native Californian, Jan Baumgartner is a writer and book editor dividing her time between surviving in Maine and living in Mexico. Her writings on Mexico will be included in the new literary journal, Lady Jane (San Francisco Bay Press, 2009) Her background includes scriptwriting, comedy writing for the No. California Emmy Awards, and travel writing for The New York Times. She has worked as a grant writer for the non-profit sector in the fields of academia, AIDS, and wildlife conservation for NGO's in the U.S. and Africa. Her articles and essays have appeared in numerous online and print publications including the NYT, Bangor Daily News, SCOOP New Zealand, Open.Salon, Wolf Moon Journal, Media for Freedom Nepal, and Banderas News in Mexico. She's finishing a memoir about her husband's death from ALS and how travels in Africa became one of her greatest sources of inspiration. She is a Managing Editor for OpEdNews. FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sun May 3 17:07:33 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 16:07:33 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: TV program --analysis of, and solution to, global crisis Message-ID: <002d01c9cc44$032727f0$097577d0$@net> From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Rodney Shakespeare Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 12:52 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: [GJM] TV program --analysis of, and solution to, global crisis Dear All, Either there is an analysis of the global economic crisis which makes sense, and then there is the proposal of a practical way forward which also makes sense, or there is not. PressTV is increasingly addressing these two matters (analysis and way forward) at the same time and you may want to watch http://www.presstv.com/programs/player/?id=93435 Rodney Shakespeare -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00042.txt URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sun May 3 17:22:53 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 16:22:53 -0700 Subject: [GJM] Silver hydrosol use in disease prevention and treatment of Message-ID: <003401c9cc46$1897fa40$49c7eec0$@net> http://web.mac.com/len15/Site_7/The_Silver_Hydrosol___Nanotechnology_Debate. htm This article by Dr. Leonard Horowitz indicates use of "silver hydrosol" in disease prevention and in healing has been known for quite some time. It has in fact been used by NASA to protect astronauts in space, and to treat AIDS in Africa. And, its use has been covered by both TIME and U.S. News magazines. Dr. Horowitz has a product called Oxysilver which contains silver hydrosol that he is marketing. The question I have is why when silver hydrosol is good enough for astronauts, and its use as a treatment for AIDS has been proven quite effective, more is not known about it by physicians. Could it be that "big pharma" is not making any money from its manufacture and sale? http://web.mac.com/len15/Site_7/The_Silver_Hydrosol___Nanotechnology_Debate. htm FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sun May 3 17:50:18 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 16:50:18 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [SPAM]Knowledge is Power: Opening This Email Could Save Your Life! Message-ID: <006601c9cc49$ed7ad9a0$c8708ce0$@net> From: Natural Solutions Foundation [mailto:dr.laibow at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 3:25 PM To: maryrose333 at att.net Subject: [SPAM]Knowledge is Power: Opening This Email Could Save Your Life! Image removed by sender. Health Freedom Alert News, Alerts, Information Related to Your Health Freedom. Take Action - NOW! May 3, 2009 Health Freedom Action eAlert? Welcome! In This Issue Knowledge is Power! * Dr. Rima Recommends: 4 Out of 4 [GOOD] Doctors Agree * The General's Communiqu? * Vital Connection Webinars http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?page_id=2002 Natural Solutions Social Networking: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=713 We're on Twitter! www.twitter.com/HealthFreedomUS www.twitter.com/DrLaibow _____ Image removed by sender. Dr. Rima Recommends 4 Out of 4 GOOD Doctors Agree..... Living in a Time of Wonder. I wonder how and why: 1. Deaths in Mexico have gone from 168 to 16. Now that is REAL healing! Where are the hundreds of deaths the MMD (media of mass deception) were originally reporting? Where are the thousands of deaths they predicted? 2. CDC said that we should expect to see more severe cases of the Swine Flu on April 26 despite the fact that NONE of the cases they have identified are at all severe. "We are seeing more cases of swine flu, and we expect to see more cases of swine flu," said Richard Besser, Director of the CDC, at a White House briefing. "I would expect that over time we are going to see more severe disease in this country."http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/04/26/cdc-head-expect-more-sev ere-cases/ 3. CDC prepared a "seed stock by April 24, just 10 days after the previously unknown disease was identified. Here's is what it takes to prepare a seed stock: "Scientists first have to decide which flu strains to use in the vaccine-they typically pick three, based on predictions of how the virus will evolve by next year. (It's still unclear whether they'll include the swine flu in next year's seasonal flu vaccine.) They then inject the strains into chicken embryos, wait for them to multiply, and extract them several days later to create a so-called "seed stock." http://www.slate.com/id/2217007/ Pretty good work for 10 days, I shouldn't wonder! 4. CDC "justified" declaring a "Health Emergency" on April 27, just 13 days after the "novel" Swine Flu was first "discovered" in a rural town in Mexico. 5. Meriden Company would be able to produce a Swine Flu Virus in just six weeks on April 28. Here is what it takes to produce a vaccine AFTER the seed stock is produced: " inject the [viral] strains into chicken embryos, wait for them to multiply, and extract them several days later to create a so-called "seed stock." Then comes testing on lab animals, followed by any necessary adjustments to the stock. (Haste can have a price: During the swine flu outbreak of 1976, 500 people who got vaccinated developed a disease called Guillain-Barr? syndrome , and 25 of them died.) Once researchers have finalized the vaccine, they repeat the embryo injection process millions of times. So even if they finalize the vaccine in June, it will take at least until September to produce the first 50 million or so doses. Producing all 600 million doses-enough to give Americans the usual two shots-would take months longer.[Note that no testing in humans or other animals is involved in this schedule] A new experimental method would grow the virus in individual cells instead of eggs. That process is a lot faster-it could shave weeks off the time it takes to create the seed stock-since cell cultures grow faster than eggs. But that method hasn't been approved yet by the FDA, and there are still doubts about its effectiveness." [Once again, using this vaccine at this stage would mean approving it in the absence of any animal or human testing] http://www.slate.com/id/2217007/ 6. WHO raised the alert level to Phase 5, the start of a Pandemic, on April 29 with one alleged death and only 91 confirmed human cases of a mild, inconsequential flu, with one death. At the moment the Phase 5 start of the Pandemic was created, countries reporting laboratory-confirmed cases with no deaths are: Austria (1), Canada (13), Germany (3), Israel (2), New Zealand (3), Spain (4) and the U.K. (5) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124116941340176895.html 7.WHO changed the name of the current "Pandemic" from "Swine Flu" to "H1N1Influenza" because the name "cause an unwarranted clampdown on pork trade" on April 30.http://www.canada.com/Health/changes+swine+name+influenza+H1N1/1549929/st ory.html 8. Hawaii's Governor, Linda Lingle, said that WHO was considering raising the alert status of the "Pandemic" to Level 6 on May 1 despite the lack of any meaningful threat. http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/health/index.ssf?/base/national-10/1241232303 247520.xml&storylist=health Saving the Best for Last I wonder at the total absurdity of the following article, printed without change (make sure to read the last sentence!): 9. Ohio health officials say two more cases of H1N1, formerly known as swine flu, have been confirmed in Ohio. That brings the state's total to three. The victims are 31 years old and 33 years old, both are men and both are from Franklin County, near Columbus. Health officials confirmed, last week, a nine year old boy from Elyria has H1N1. Pennsylvania health officials say there are still no confirmed cases of swine flu in the commonwealth, although they are listing five Philadelphia-area cases as probable. All cases reported so far have been in Philadelphia or Montgomery County. The Center for Disease Control and Prevention says the outbreak continues to grow in the U.S. Officials gave an update Saturday afternoon and say they now have 160 confirmed cases of H1N1 in 21 states. MD/CDC Interim Deputy Director, Anne Schuchat, said, "The point is that the majority of cases don't have direct contact with Mexico. They didn't travel to Mexico. It is much more likely that people are getting this particular infection now from somebody who has no...from somebody within their own communities." The World Health Organization has confirmed more than 700 cases of H1N1 flu worldwide so far, in at least 15 countries. And now, Canada officials say pigs have been infected and are under quarantine. It's the first known case of pigs having the virus." http://www.wytv.com/content/news/local/story/Latest-Update-on-H1N1-Flu/iKowf n7mVUqUHmGGGHlnhg.cspx Political Pandemic To my mind, the real threat here is decidedly NOT the disease although it is very clear that the novel virus was manufactured by a lab crew. That is threat enough. But there is more. To my way of thinking, this is a crass, cruel and horrifying example of intentional mayhem and death (although this pandemic, like Avian Flu and SARS has so far fizzled) used as a weapon of not only mass deception, but of mass destruction as well. I do not believe that this episode, which is far from finished, is merely another exercise in fear mongering by agencies and of potential profiteering by Big Pharma No, I believe there is additionally a heavy political agenda; a, dare we say, "mind control" agenda, whereby we are all being desensitized to the violations of privacy and health rights that become "normal" during a time of declared "medical emergency?" The game plan, as I see it, was to have created a major epidemic, invoke the State's Emergency Medical Powers Acts of the States through which, when a Governnor declares a Pandemic, you MUST accept vaccination/treatment or you will automatically be declared to be felon and incarcerated/quarentined indefinitely. This dovetails precisely with the federal powers invoked when the Secretary of Health and Human Services declares a Pandemic (which would happen first) and the same compulsions desend upon you: either accept vaccination/treatment or be involuntarily quarantined indefinitely. If people resist, riot or protest? Marshal Law is right around the corner. Foreign troops (including 300,000 Chinese troops reputed to be quartered at Edwards Air Force Base, in clear violation of the US Constitution) and domestic ones (including NorthCom, in whose mission this type of action lies), police and mercenaries are apparently ready, to one degree or another, to enforce these "safety measures". Failing this scenario, there is also the political possibility of using the irrational and absurd "Health Emergency Alert" status of the US to divide the country in to the 10 FEMA regions, restrict movement and commerce and build the tension through the MMD, the Media of Mass Deception, so that, finally, when the savior vaccine arrives, the maximum number of people roll up their sleeves to be both "saved" from the "deadly" flu threat or be released from FEMA territorial restrictions. Do I know this is what is in store for us? Of course not. But do I strongly suspect that these possibilities are not too far off the mark? Yes I do. And while all this is going on, are you thinking about the insanity and criminality of the bailout? Of the weaponization and industrialization of all food production and control? Of the rapid coming of the new global currency? Of the dissolution of national states under the emergency authority of the United Nations, to whom all power is ceded under a state of "Global Pandemic"? Of course not. This is the ultimate slight of hand. But instead of a rabbit magically pulled out of the hat, it is a weaponized vaccine in a syringe. The syringe of death. Death to health, freedom and, very possibly, billions of people. See my blog posting about the Psychology and Physiology of Change: The Brainwashing of the West - http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=1940 We must also acknowledge, as Gen. Stubblebine pointed out, the Swine Flu panic was not the first such incident that could have triggered a pandemic; there have been several in the past several years. The forces at work that, WHO tells us, will lead to the "inevitable" pandemic are still there. Only push-back can hold off the event. Vigilance, preparation and courage. I am glad to read that both Dr. Mercola and Dr. Paul (Ron Paul, that is) agree with me that we cannot view recent events, such as the Baxter incident and the Swine Flu panic, as mere epidemiological events. When we connect the dots, we are concerned that we are looking at the engineering of weaponized pathogens to force weaponized vaccinations on an unsuspecting public. Dr. Leonard Horowitz also agrees, and in an astounding YouTube presentation, names the names of the researchers, institutes and companies he considers responsible. While it is still on the Internet, you can see Dr. Horowitz at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBeKB7aKzOs And the good doctors all agree on something else: Natural Solutions are available to protect the public. "Pandemic panic" is not necessary. Forced vaccinations, transportation and public event closings, and martial law are not necessary! What is? Dr. Paul recommends sun, rest and good nutrition. Dr. Mercola recommends many of the herbs and nutrients discussed in our last eAlert, Proactive Protection - http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2581 . Dr. Horowitz recommends nano silver (as do we: www.Nutronix.com/naturalsolutions or http://www.healthyagain.biz/naturalsolutions/ ) knowing as we do that eventually the genocidal monsters will get it "right" and the plague that they throw at us will finally work. Nano silver kills all known (and, we believe, unknown) pathogens. We've had some astounding discussions with Dr. Leonard Coldwell about these matters, which are now on our Health Freedom Podcast - http://www.healthfreedomradio.com/Site/HealthFreedomRadio/HealthFreedomRadio .html Doctor Coldwell also recommends nano silver, as do I. Which reminds me, we have a brand new portal to make it easier for you to obtain the nano silver you need to be prepared: http://www.healthyagain.biz/naturalsolutions/ Good doctors get it; we might even say, "4 out of 4" GOOD doctors agree Natural Solutions are best! You can find more of my recommendations at: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2183 ________________________________________________ Image removed by sender. The General's Communiqu? SUMMARY: Knowledge IS Power.1! Every day hundreds of our Natural Solutions health and freedom advocates contact us with information data points which, pieced together with media, online reports and other sources, lead us to the understanding we need to survive - and help you to survive - in these dangerous times. That's the knowledge we seek to share with you. When we push back, together, against the truly nefarious plans of those who seek to manipulate us with panic and herd us into serfdom, we achieve miraculous advances. The past few weeks have seen just such plans repeatedly made and repeatedly thwarted. But this is no cause for complacency. We are not anywhere close to being out of the woods. At the beginning of the year Natural Solutions Foundation reported on the strange case of Baxter International in which an Avian Flu pandemic was nearly triggered by the "accidental" live, infective, human strain Avian Flu virus contamination of a seasonal flu vaccine destined for eighteen European countries. These are the same countries in which Baxter was about to receive approval to sell its "Avian Flu" vaccine - a vaccine which, you will recall, cannot be produced until the pandemic version of the Avian Flu actually exists. Recall that the WHO, CDC and other official organization insist that it does not yet exist. So another strange phenomenon in all of this is that there cannot BE an Avian Flu vaccine yet, although numerous companies have made and sold hundreds of millions of doses against something which supposedly does not yet exist. Curiouser and Curiouser. "Somehow" (and we believe we know how) that threat caused by Baxter's "accident" was averted. Against the usual procedure of accepting the vaccine as having been irradiated to kill the viruses included in it (!) by Baxter, a laboratory in one of the countries (the Czech Republic) tested and discovered the deadly contamination. See: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2233 . Did a secret whistle-blower save us? We believe so. To that hero, whoever he or she may be we all owe a profound: "Thank you!" We reported the strange movements of medical materials around the country by overpaid truckers sworn to secrecy, asking for your help in confirming or refuting it. Meanwhile, we asked our Mighty Mouse Warriors' help in educating Congress about the dangers of forced industrialization of all food production under the guise of the (sic) "Food Safety" bills. Is the current absurd "Swine Flu" non-event designed to deflect your attention from the Banksters' enormous crimes and the hijacking of your food? We are not deflected. Please Click here : http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/t/1128/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27 134 to continue to push Congress back from taking away your right to clean, unadulterated food, grown and prepared by you or people whom you trust (like organic farmers). Even as the Natural Solutions Foundation, through your efforts, has been pushing back against this major threat to family farms, natural and home food production and, ultimately, both health AND freedom, a new threat appeared, an alleged "pandemic" Swine Flu that, oddly, uniquely, in a never-before-seen manner, shows contamination with human flu and avian flu DNA. This is evidence of a bio-engineered, weaponized virus. P For Pandemic AND PushBack! Natural Solutions Foundation pushed back with loud warnings about the weaponized flu and weaponized vaccines that are being, and would be, foisted upon us. We offer you information about proactive protective steps you could take for your family and Dr. Laibow's posting on that http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2581 included dozens of potentially life-saving suggestions for natural strategies to protect for your immune system from any hazard they throw at us. Emergency Planning Sometimes in the midst of crisis we have to put aside our longer-term goals to focus on, and contend with, an immediate threat (which is what makes it an emergency, after all) -- You sign up for our Health Freedom Action eAlerts (http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?page_id=187 ) to stay informed about these critical issues so you can take action and share the information with others. Both our long and short term goals are focused on the 4 D's: * Discovering * Developing * Demonstrating * Disseminating natural solutions to pressing social, legal, health and freedom problems These solutions share a common ultimate purposem the 5th D: Defending our health and our freedom. Demonstrating and Disseminating Natural Solutions Meanwhile, our implementation programs, such as the International Decade of Nutrition and our demonstration projects in Africa and Panama are still going strong. See: www.naturalsolutionsfoundation.org . In the spirit of Demonstration and Dissemination we have established the Natural Solutions Vital Connection Webinars, in cooperation with Vital Connection University (VCU). Webinars can be attended live over the internet just like any course in a lecture hall but they can also be accessed later at your convenience. Of course, questions and answers are only possible during the live webinar but can be read during later viewing. Visit http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?page_id=2002 to learn more about our outstanding webinar program. Natural Solutions Foundation has already held several well-received Webinars. We are happy to announce that our webinar partner, VCU, has a new and improved platform up and running which we believe will make these webinars even more successful. We will be offering several exciting new Webinars and hope you will join us -live and later. We - you and we together - ARE the 'net roots' of Health Freedom, providing Natural Solutions to the problems that threaten our health and health freedom. The better informed we are, the more active we can be. The more active we are, the more effective we become. Knowledge IS power. But without action, it means little. But knowledge without action is mere abstraction. Come to our webinars, learn with us (and teach with us if you have information you would like to share) and then become an even more effective net roots movement. Please take a look at the information below regarding the Webinar program. The more we learn, the stronger we become. Yours in health and freedom, Maj. Gen. Albert N. Stubblebine III (US A Ret) President Natural Solutions Foundation _____ Image removed by sender. Counsel's Comments Knowledge IS Power.2 Vital Connection Webinars SUMMARY: Information to Protect Your Health AND Freedom Using the Internet to achieve our health AND freedom goals, we constantly look for ways to share information in the on-going educational campaign that forms a principle thrust of our tax-exempt activities. Based on your feedback, we are proud to offer you new, enhanced outreach programs: Natural Solutions Webinars - see below for detailed information. Natural Solutions Podcasts - click here : http://www.healthfreedomradio.com/Site/HealthFreedomRadio/HealthFreedomRadio .html Dr. Rima talks about the Swine Flu and Codex on German Radio: Radio-g net: http://www.radio-g.net/radio-g-179-codex-alimentarius-swine-flu.html Natural Solutions Social Networking - click here : http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=713 Do You Twitter? Follow Dr. Rima and Counsel Ralph on Twitter www.twitter.com/drlaibow www.twitter.com/healthfreedomus You Are Invited to Our Webinars 'Webinars' are unique, online learning and communicating events combining live audio and visual opportunities for a limited number of people with interactive Q&A! Once the live Webinar has taken place, it is archived and becomes available on the Internet at any time you want to see it. You may remember that we had a vigorous Webinar Schedule which we had to cancel because VCU was upgrading to a new platform. They have finished that upgrade and we are back in business. We have rescheduled our Webinars and added new ones; the new platform also supports a private online forum attached to each Webinar! Go to www.vitalconnectionuniversity.com to sign up for these programs. Instructions: At the top right you will find Student Login. Once you're on that screen, follow the instructions to create your own private New Student Account. Once you have created your New Student Account , login and browse through the Live Upcoming Courses or check out the Recorded Courses where you will find past Natural Solutions Foundation webinars. Here are some of the initial Webinars you are invited to attend on the Internet. (details below): 1. Valley of the Moon Eco Community Free - 02/12/09 - Archived 2. Legal Considerations for CAM Practitioners Presenter: Ralph Fucetola JD May 6, 2009 at 8 PM EDT $99 You can attend a new, updated live version - follow sign up instructions above. Watch a special free Video Introduction to this Webinar here : http://youtube.com/watch?v=iTCBxute9Gw & This webinar is intended for Natural or Advanced (sometimes called 'CAM', "Alternative", "Holistic" or "Integrative") health practitioners in every area of practice. With the State and Federal Government agencies determined to stamp out all non-pharmaceutical-focused treatments, if you are an advanced health practitioner, you need accurate, up to the minute information on - * Standard Operating Procedures * Disclaimers * Disclosures * Informed Consent * Risks to Private Practitioners * Practical advise on structuring your practice to protect yourself and your client/patients * Forbidden words * How to present what you do and why you do it wisely * Waivers Common sense, talent and experience may make you a great practitioner, but it takes legal information and careful strategic communication to keep you out of trouble and in practice. Join us for this essential course. Tuition includes a $30 tax deductible donation to the Natural Solutions Foundation and an information-filled eBook with practical forms to use. The information in the eBook would require several hours of legal retainer time to acquire. 3. Protecting your IRA/401 - Supporting Sustainable Living May 9, 2009 - 8 PM EDT Presenters: Natural Solutions Foundation Trustees Rima E. Laibow, MD, Ralph Fucetola, JD Min. tuition contribution: $30 (50%, min. $15) credited as a tax deductible donation to Natural Solutions Foundation Off-shore placement of retirement funds may not be available for much longer. In fact, your retirement funds are being eyed by the cash-starved US government. At the same time, your health freedom and access to clean food and dietary supplements is under more attack than at any time in the past. Retirement funds can support the Valley of the Moon Eco Demonstration Project, www.NaturalSoltutionsFoundation.org , in Panama while the Valley of the Moon helps to protect your health freedoms and reclaim the production of food. This is far more than a win-win relationship. It is a must-win relationship for both you and health freedom. Join us to learn more and find out what others are doing to protect their health and their wealth. Tuition includes a $15 tax deductible Donation to the Natural Solutions Foundation and a free eBook you can share with others to help them get the picture, too. 4. Bringing New Natural Products to Market in a Hostile Regulatory Environment Presenter: Ralph Fucetola JD Live Webinar: May 10, 2009 - 8 PM EDT Tuition: $199.99 What does it take to bring a new natural product to market? How does a product qualify as a Certified Friendly Food? What types of claims can be made for natural products? What are the pitfalls and opportunities? 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And, until this changes nothing else is going to change. -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:05 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Fred Astaire in the White House (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) Fred Astaire in the White House by Michael Brownstein 02 May 2009 http://www.culturechange.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4 10&Itemid=1 This is not so much an attack on President Obama but a compelling plea to admit to our deeper problems as a culture. -- Ed. "You can never awaken using the same system that put you to sleep in the first place." -- Gurdjieff This is an appeal, an open letter, a cry in the night: No matter how cranky it may make us to brush the stardust from our eyes, no matter how many friends we think we'll lose by looking long and hard at what's going on around us, let's try to stay awake. Let's not lose touch with what we really want for ourselves. Let's not forget what we know about the nature of consumer capitalism: it is unsustainable and unworkable because it depends on infinite expansion in a finite world. It can only survive by a violent takeover of what belongs to others. Let's not settle for halfway measures. And let's not wait for deliverance from on high. Because the president we elected -- out of so much hope for a definitive break with what came before -- is not who he seems. It's true that unlike the previous inhabitant of the White House (remember him?), Barack Obama is sane, intelligent, and mature. He's responsive to what others think. He hopes to institute real change in education, health care, the environment. But even with his great charisma and silver tongue, he's a proper soldier for the system which is ravishing the planet. As he said in his inauguration speech in January, already aware of the huge financial mess he was inheriting, "We will not apologize for our way of life." What do these words mean? They mean that the mall-i-zation of the planet will continue. They mean that the commercialization of all of life will not stop. They mean that our massive so-called footprint will never be substantially downsized. And they mean that the force which has erased indigenous cultures and plant and animal species, which has sullied our air and soil and water, will essentially not be called into question, no matter how many of its most glaring excesses may be curbed. "We will not apologize for our way of life..." Let's not forget who else used very similar words when insisting that America's energy policy would remain unchanged, no matter how much devastation it might cause: Dick Cheney, soon after taking office in 2001. Without the active support of those who are running this toxic show into the ground, Barack Obama would not have been nominated in the first place, much less elected. There is no more sure sign of this than the fact that his supposed nemesis, Hillary Clinton, became his Secretary of State. Forgetting for a moment the eight schizoid years under George W. Bush, Obama's appointees and the policies they represent form an unbroken line back through the Clinton era and beyond. Those in control of our society have always been in control. Decade after decade their names and identities change, but their outlook, their mindset, remains the same. Since infancy they've been raised to aggrandize, to capitalize on their advantage over others -- whether "others" is defined as business competitors, indigenous people, foreign nations, or the fruits of the earth itself. This is the culture we have exported to the whole world. And once they get a taste of it, it seems that everybody wants more. The distinction between Democrats and Republicans -- again, except for the neocons let loose by George Jr. -- has always been more negligible than we've cared to admit. The main difference is that Democrats, when in power, usually have shown concern for the less fortunate in our society. They've advanced social programs rather than contracting them. But the basic story line remains the same: in order to keep turning a perpetual profit, someone or something must be ripped off. The clubhouse filled with those who run things has never changed its size or location. It can be found within the high walls of the ruling class. I'm not subscribing to a conspiracy theory here. Conspiracy theories are unprovable distractions, like the belief in UFOs. I'll leave it to others to insist darkly that our new president is a member of the Illuminati, the invisible cabal which for centuries has supposedly been running the planet. I don't think the greedy subset of humans drawn to naked, unlimited power are capable of trusting one another long enough to keep such plots afloat, so I won't bother taking seriously, for example, the claim that Michelle Obama is flashing the secret gesture of Illuminati membership on the cover of Vogue magazine's March issue. Absurd? Of course. But how much more absurd than the program we humans are carrying around inside our heads of institutionalized scarcity and hardball competition? How much more irrational than the obscene military budgets the citizens of all nations pay for, year after year? It's become fashionable to call what the banks and other financial institutions did to this country a Ponzi scheme, but the same is true not only of capitalism but of Western civilization itself. It's built on absence: the absence of all the indigenous people killed. It's built on ballooning expenditures and the continual depletion of resources with -- like the monetary structure on which it depends -- nothing supporting it underneath. Nothing at all. And when mindless trust gives way to nameless fear... well, we're now beginning to experience the consequences. In order to understand how we may still be sleeping, let's remember that we live in a relative universe. Everything exists in relation to something else. After eight years of subzero temperatures, of trying not to lose heart while locked in the deep freeze, when it's suddenly 38 degrees and we've been let outside we feel expansive, liberated, optimistic. But defined in terms of what we actually need -- a workable, fair, humane way of life -- it's nowhere near summer sunshine out there. In fact, if we're honest with ourselves regarding some of the moves Obama's administration has made around the economy, the military, commerce, and agriculture, we'll see that replacing Nero with Fred Astaire isn't enough. Stands on issues like state secrets and the rights of detainees are too close for comfort to what came before. The soft shoe may be reassuring, but we deserve more. The president addressing the marines at Camp LeJeune: "We will not let the pursuit of the perfect stand in the way of achievable goals." But why not? Sure, this sounds level-headed and realistic, except that once these achievable goals go through the legislative wringer of compromise and payback, less than ever will remain. And two years from now, if (as is certainly possible) the country's still in trouble because of halting economic measures and the Republicans regain control of Congress, where will those goals be then? Let's not forget what we've always known about politicians: their primary motivation is to get elected and, once elected, to stay in power. These two things are often in conflict. That's why, for example, there's disappointment around the gap between what candidate Obama said in Ohio and Michigan regarding NAFTA and the signals he's sent since taking office. There's disappointment about his hesitation to really hold accountable the very banks and financial institutions which have brought the country to the brink. And there's disappointment about his determination to extend the war in Afghanistan. Which looks to include Pakistan as well. Fear of terrorism is being used in the same way fear of communism was used in previous generations. For decades we've established more and more military bases around the world, allowing us to grab any source of raw material we deem necessary. The fact that other nation-states are playing the same game is no excuse for our behavior. The only way to change is to change, pure and simple. Because all human predators are enemies of the gods, enemies of creation. Real change can only mean a change of consciounsess. On the social level, it means things like a new way of educating our children, alternative forms of exchange and energy, local agriculture. On the macro level, it means adopting an entirely new system, such as Herman Daly's Steady State Economy. This will only come about if we risk what seems impossible. But maybe it isn't impossible. Let's not forget that many of the changes happening in our lives now are taking place outside the political structure. We need that structure with its cynical baggage and tunnel vision much less than we think. We're not interested in dragging solutions from the past into the future. If they didn't work then, why should they work now? We're not interested in lifelong defensive postures. We have no more patience for indulging our fear and paranoia simply because that's what our so-called enemies are doing. Let's either go for broke or "fade away into our own parade." In fact, we have no choice. Systemic breakdown awaits us otherwise. We can no longer maintain American hegemony, even the reasonable, personable, happy-face version. We can no longer maintain rampant materialism, even of the green variety. Remember Obama's campaign slogan? "Yes we can." Yes we can what? Stand the robot of monoculture up on its wheels again? Our challenge goes beyond universal health insurance or fixing the economy or saving the environment. In fact, it's no less than pulling the plug on 8000 years of Empire. We need to rid ourselves of what has made us a consuming, semi-psychotic collective. And that means we have no further use for nationalism, either. Flushing down the tubes that pattern of knee-jerk reaction to the Other constitutes the most important change of all. Let's take a cue from the Internet, all lit up around the globe with communication among people having no more identity than their names. "We are one" is the only acceptable slogan. What's happening to the Bushmen in Botswana is also happening to us. What's happening to the Amazon rainforest is also happening to us. Obama's narrative that everything went wrong only eight years ago disregards the history of this country and the policies which for decades have set us on a collision course with reality. George W. Bush did not invent military hegemony. He did not magically create uncontrolled greed or global warming. He did not loose on the world mortgage-backed securities and other forms of "toxic waste." (What about the toxic waste in landfills that reach to the sky? Can't we show the kids in our schools how the two are related?) Naomi Klein reminds us in a recent interview (http://www.thestar.com/) that it was Bill Clinton who periodically bombed Iraq and tightened economic sanctions which killed one million Iraqis. It was Bill Clinton who axed Depression-era restrictions preventing investment banks from also being commercial banks. It was he and Alan Greenspan who resisted regulating the huge derivatives industry. As we've seen, these policies were in place long before Bush and Cheney took them to new levels. Let's not forget that the United States didn't recover from the Depression until the Second World War amped the economy up to speed, and that this lesson was not lost after the war. Ever since then, the internal contradictions of a system which depends on limitless growth have been dealt with by a ballooning military industry. They've been dealt with by a post-modern colonialism which, now called economic globalization, nevertheless fulfills the same function: eviscerating less developed cultures around the world for profit. If we succumb to amnesia about this, then, as Naomi Klein says, "you do exactly what Obama is doing. You resurrect the Clinton economic and foreign policy apparatus, and you appoint Larry Summers, the key architect of the economic policy that has imploded at this moment. The amount of money that's at stake in the bailout, if you include everything -- the deposit guarantees, the loans, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, AIG -- is now up to $9 trillion. The American GDP is only $14 trillion. So they've put more than half of the American economy on the line to try and fix a mess that actually cannot be fixed in this way." In our desire to be reassured, let's not lose track of the fact that Obama's bailout plan refuses to admit the obvious: the banks are zombies, they're the walking dead, and as such they should be allowed to go under or else be nationalized. And the people responsible for this state of affairs need to be held responsible. Otherwise the freefall of foreclosures, unemployment, and frozen credit may go on for longer than we care to imagine. And it's equally important that we come to terms with our recent history instead of being so quick to consign to oblivion the criminal acts of the last eight years. Obama is already making noises for impunity, for not dwelling on the past, for brushing ourselves off, picking ourselves up, and getting on with our lives. Naomi Klein again: "So much comes down to whether there's going to be any accountability for what happened, whether it's the illegal occupation of Iraq or torture or the economic crimes that led to this disaster." Is she right? Do we have no choice but waiting around to find out? Instead, no matter how unfashionable this may sound, we need to protest. Rather than finding clever new ways to beat the cellphone bills that have suddenly become onerous, now's the time for something we Americans seemingly have forgotten how to do, as opposed to the Greeks, the Latvians, the French, even the Chinese. We need to mobilize. We need to turn off that comforting DVD of Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers -- of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton -- dancing across our field of vision, and make our voices heard. Otherwise, let's just head down to Baja and hang at the beach. After we've had our fill of swimming, we'll turn and watch from afar as the global power game vaporizes, whirling like a dust devil out on the desert floor. Maybe there'll even be some water left to bathe in before we go to sleep under the stars. From maryrose333 at att.net Mon May 4 00:17:50 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 23:17:50 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] World War III: It's Happening Today Message-ID: <003a01c9cc80$105cd7d0$31168770$@net> This parallels not only my book: "The Sacred Quest for the Who of I Am" but, in many ways as well "The Chalice and the Blade" by Riane Eisler. Looking back, it seems we should have known it would end up like this. -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:04 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] World War III: It's Happening Today (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) World War III: It's Happening Today by Chuck Burr 03 May 2009 http://www.culturechange.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view& id=412&Itemid=1 We are just not using nuclear weapons. Resource war, class war, drug war, gang war, terror war, trade war, plus war on all other species is global. Is this the culture you want to say you belong to? Is your lifestyle worth it? When you look at anything from our modern culture, think of war. Car, computer, toaster, light bulb, money, water, food, population, government, media-think of war. The more people, the more competition, the more war. Modern Taker culture is inseparable from war. Our culture was founded on war 10,000 years ago when one group of people in the fertile crescent decided they had a better way to live, population growth supported by totalitarian agriculture-based civilization. It is now almost universally accepted that civilization is unsurpassable and must continue at all costs. The world now wastes over $1 trillion on military spending. When you add in everything the US spends on present defense, debt on past defense spending, off-budget covert operations, death benefits, injured veteran's benefits, national guard employment opportunity costs, we spend almost half the total federal budget on the military. More importantly though, think about the 175 million people who lost their lives to war in the last century. Several times that many were injured -- mostly civilians. War Did Not Exist Before our Taker Culture Some assert that pre-agricultural revolution or Paleolithic man waged war. However, the archeological evidence does not support this. The work of Marija Gimbutas revealed that Old Europe towns and villages had no military implements or even artwork-there is a difference between hunting and warring implements. Towns and villages were sited for their aesthetics and access to crops not defensibility. Artwork frequently depicted the goddess as a universal religion. There is also some confusion as to time periods, much of the warfare referred to as our prehistory is actually post-agricultural revolution within the last 10,000 years. Archeological references to war only start appearing as waring tribes such as the Kurgans started invading from the east. Lastly, there is confusion between war and the Erratic Retaliator strategy that Leaver peoples employed. This strategy allowed you to give it back to your neighbors as good as they gave it to you. If you had not heard from them in a while, you could surprise them so they knew you have not gotten soft. Later you have a powwow to make up and trade. After all, it's not good to inbreed within your own tribe too much, so maintaining relations with your neighbors was important for more than trade. Yes, some were injured and even died, but this was far short of war. Competition Requires War We are taught since first grade that competition is good, greed is good. Competition most efficiently allocates resources, and enables the best and brightest to rise to the top. Without competition we would not have a man on the moon or this computer. You know, I can live without this computer. I would probably be better off, and the time will come for it to go. At some point I will have written enough and will just be a permaculture farmer and educator. Darwin's natural selection or survival of the fittest has contributed to a misunderstanding of how the world really works. Ecosystems survive through mutually beneficial cooperation not competition. If nature was based solely on competition, there would only be one survivor at the top of each food chain niche instead of the 30 million species alive today. It is physically impossible to have concentration of resources, material or financial, without war. Competition implies by definition that there will always be a winner and loser, someone at the top and many at the bottom. For the US to consume more in total and per capita than any other national in the world, we must have the largest military in the world. McDonald's goes where McDonald-Douglas goes (now Boeing). The simplest way to put it is to envision what can be made, grown, and traded just from current local sunlight. If you cannot make it from local sunlight, you have to exploit and concentrate or take from somewhere else. If you cannot make a modern stick-frame home and everything that goes in it just from local sunlight, you need to get it's components and the energy that it takes to build and maintain it from someplace else. It is simple laws of physics. Excessive Competition is War War also comes in the form of occupation, building a railroad to send the occupier's people in and to send natural resources out as China has done to Tibet and the US is doing in Iraq for oil but not colonization. Tibetans will soon be a minority in their own country. Globalization is now a common form of low level class warfare. When the IMF and World Bank make loans, it forces the small third world countries to open their markets and sell their natural resources in order to pay back the loans. Local farmers who had saved seeds for centuries are forced to go deeply into debt and buy seed and other inputs from Monsanto. Diversity in the food varieties we eat has disappeared. Free trade agreements enable large producers to leverage their size to put local farmers, manufacturers, and merchants, out of business. If every American had to live and work to survive in the third world for just one year, things would change overnight. Our culture has also waged an unending war on the ecosystem that we call nature. In short, our single species is responsible for the single largest mass extinction since the dinosaurs died 65 million years ago. War is Externalized and Invisible It is a common belief of those in the first world that we do not live in a state of war. Most would say, "my child does not resort to fisticuffs on the soccer field, we have some crime yes, and the war in Iraq is winding down." There is however a low-level pervasive conflict being waged with everything from banks to bombs and religion to rifles. The financial crisis today is a war by the banks against the rest of the world to maintain their system of profit and control. Those in power have found that they can make more money short of large-scale war. A regional conflict here and there to keep people in line is acceptable, "but we are not going let things get out of hand like we did the last couple times." Banks make money loaning money to both sides. Corporations make money selling guns and support to both sides. The externalities of never-ending grinding competition are hidden. No one sees the destruction they cause by pushing their cart down the store isle or by shopping online: the exploitation, civil war, resource extraction, habitat destruction, watershed pollution, are invisible to the consumer. It would be amazing to see a time-lapse simulation of what happens around the world over the lifetime of just one first world consumer. To see the trees fall, animals raised and slaughtered, top soil lost, and marine life die. Then imagine accelerating the simulation by adding more and more people. People need to connect the dots further out over both time and geography. What is the Solution? Sometime I wish that everyone who believes that war is a necessary evil could be moved to some place to duke it out. Or, that I could take my family some place peaceful based on original Leaver culture where cooperation and consensus have replaced competition. But there is no place left to go. I am just as guilty as everyone else in our Taker culture. I have now realized what I have been doing and am starting my long journey to change my lifestyle. One problem is that modern culture gives us no real alternatives. We have to make the alternatives we need. Shopping at a natural food store and a grocery store has the same affect. Get over going green. We have to become the change we want to see. The future lies with new cultures. If modern culture was going to end poverty, hunger, war, and environmental destruction, it would have done so by now. As long as it grows, the problem grows. Things seemed fine when there were fewer of us, but now we have grown to the edge of the planetary cage. From now on, competition and war will intensify exponentially as resources dwindle and population grows. The Bottom line is that if we want the luxuries we have, we are going to have to live with war. We will force exploitation on others we do not see. Start talking to your friends from this perspective. Start asking yourself, "is our lifestyle is worth it?" Our generation is basically stuck where and how we are. Since the last couple world wars, we blew the cheap energy and resources on the suburbs and expanding our population. But, we still have the opportunity to change the course for our children if we change their education now. We can go green and buy a little more time and space for more people, but it is a wash. We have to level with our kids and tell them the truth that we are locked in our own cultural prison, and they have to not make the same mistakes we did and to find a way to walk away. Its the old do as I say not as I do parent's dilemma. Maybe we have to renounce our religion of materialism and embrace each other. We may have to completely flip our world view that instead of the world belonging to us, maybe we belong to the world. Give support to get support instead of making things to get things. Maybe this is what the future looks like, hobbit houses. This treehouse was built on our farm by Dan Shinerock (top center) from the It's a Burl Gallery in Kerby, OR. Dan walked up to the tree for the first time, engineered the treehouse, drew a sketch of it, did a materials takeoff, and calculated the cost all in an hour and a half. He built the treehouse in four days including decks and stairs you do not see here. Compare that to building a modern home or even just remodeling one. I am not suggesting that everyone start living in a treehouse, but I would suggest every first world person consider giving away most of their "stuff" so what is left would fit in a treehouse. Just food for thought. I'll talk more about some realistic solutions in the future such as how a greenhouse can not only feed you, but also heat your home in the winter and cool you in the summer. Or, how an old world KachelOfen can both keep your family warm in the winter and bake everything from pizza to cinnamon rolls with just one firing a day. There is hope: we just have to think outside of our cultural box. I believe one should empower the positive aspects of their beliefs, for instance, "Peace Now!" instead of "No War!" However, I felt it was worth taking a stand on this issue and shining a light where we are afraid to look. The destructive behavior of our culture, whether high level warfare or low level environmental destruction, happens globally at all levels, and is inherent within our culture. War and Taker culture are inseparable; is this the culture you want to say you belong to? An individual cannot end war overnight, but an individual and start the discussion. Here is a movie I made at the 2003 Peace March in Washington, D.C. to try to stop the Iraq War. There was nothing like the of feeling being surrounded by hundreds of thousands of people who share your feelings. We are everywhere. This essay appeared in culturequake.org on 4/27/09 See the same website to learn more about the book Culturequake: The Fall of Modern Culture and the Rise of Earth Culture C 2009 Chuck Burr LLC Notes: Fritjof Capra Landscapes of Learning: Experiencing ecological relationships and community is the key to ecoliteracy, Resurgence, Sept/Oct 2004, p 8 Murray Bookchin The Ecology of Freedom: The Emergence and Dissolution of Hierarchy, p. 91 War Resisters League Where Your Income Tax Money Really Goes Norman D. Livergood America, Awake!, p. 108 Peter Starck World Military Spending Topped $1 Trillion in 2004 Marija Gimbutas The Civilization of the Goddess: The World of Old Europe Free Tibet The Gormo-Lhasa railway Jim Merkel Radical Simplicity: small footprints on a finite Earth, p. 9 Chuck Burr Fall of the American Empire John Cavanagh and Jerry Mander Alternatives to Economic Globalization: A Better World Is Possible Dan Shinerock It's A Burl Gallery From ceasig at gmail.com Mon May 4 00:49:13 2009 From: ceasig at gmail.com (Centre For Ecological Audit, Social Inclusion & Governance) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 12:19:13 +0530 Subject: [GJM] Future Dawning Portals and Pathways In-Reply-To: <002b01c9cac9$05565130$1002f390$@net> References: <002b01c9cac9$05565130$1002f390$@net> Message-ID: <31f677a30905032349k703e83cdte665570009e58638@mail.gmail.com> Dear Mary, The outline looks impressive. It would wonderful if you get also a link for sharing the ecologically safe innovations/ recalls from the ecologically safe past of ours specially from the areas that appears to have become totally dependant on GHG emitting energy intensive support systems, services and commodities. Another link for carbon neutral practices for leisure would be interesting that may contain the stories from ecologically hostile habitats. I would be writing in detail. A presentation my mine can be seen at http://slideshare.net/mukhtaralam With warmest regards mukhtar On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 7:25 AM, mary rose wrote: > *FUTURE DAWNING PORTALS AND PATHWAYS OUTLINE** 1 OF 3 Pages. * > > *Transforming Our World with Mary Rose and Friends: * > > This is a personal website through which i, Mary Rose, want to bring > together scientists and others involved in the development of ?new thought? > which aids in setting the trends for Future Dawning. We will review books, > articles, research & other information on issues relative to human > consciousness, sustainable living, wellness, spirituality. cosmology, > archaeology, history, etc., to determine their contribution to, and overall > affect on movement. Information gathered will be published via different > venues.* * > > * * > > I. *Future Dawning Alliance* - Grassroots movement for > social change thru the evolution of human consciousness, focusing on > self-reliance in a resource-based economy. Current thoughts are that in > order to accomplish a transition based on achieving something In the ?best? > interests of all concerned, we may need two different economies operating > simultaneously. > > A. Accomplishes Social Systems Redesign > > B. Designs and Implements alternative education programs > > > > II. *People for a Sustainable Future*: Learning Center > for the simple living and sustainable living movements taking place today. > This center will also address issues related to water issues, oceans, rivers > and streams, rainforest conservation, global climate change, etc. And, as > well address how to accomplish a move into simple living and the > construction of sustainable living communities in today?s world. > > > > III. *Coherent Hearts Network*: Unites people and > organizations worldwide participating in heart-centered activities directed > toward maintaining health and well-being. Transforms food system and > coordinates exercise programs (Tai Chi, Qigong, Yoga) for overall health and > well-being. > > > > IV. * Integral Women in Motion*: Unites individual women > and women's groups worldwide, connecting with other movements, e.g., > sustainable living and human consciousness. > > > > V. *Crystal Clearwater Alliance:* Media Center for grass > roots movement to coalesce in demanding truth from government and all other > entities in all areas. Let's get rid of the lies, so we can begin to make > decisions about our future based on valid information. > > > > > > VI. *New Energy Coalition*: Brings together individuals and > groups interested in creating clean energy and water resources. > > > > VII. *Waste Not ? Want Not*: Brings groups and individuals > together to address waste remediation issues and find solutions. With > resource depletion coming on so rapidly, we must now look to mining our > waste dumps for valued resource. We must move beyond ?recycling? and into > ?recapture?. > > > > VIII. *Quantum Corner*: Brings together physicists and others > in the study of Quantum Physics and its contribution to society today. This > site is by invitation only and serves as also as a gathering place for the > most informed members of Future Dawning. > > > > IX. *Honu International* - Unites Indigenous people > worldwide > > > > X. *Spiritual Center* - Considers the origination of homo > sapiens as we know this species today. Probes the possibility of > Extra-terrestrial Life on Earth. Explores the work of Zechariah Sitchin and > his translation of the Sumerian Tablets as intertwined with the Bible. > Considers archaeological finds from the Neolithic Age to present. Considers > different religions and their impact on the world today. > > > > XI. *Future Dawning Artist?s Corner*: Brings together > artists of all representations interested in using their creativity to > design a better world > > > > XII. *Future Dawning Test Site* - Site Administrators use > this site to test out new applications, tags, etc. before installing them on > the site. > > > > XIII. *Future Dawning Admin/Resource Center* . This is > currently the entryway to the FD Portals and Pathways from the splash page. > It will also serve as a Multi-media Resource Center, and at some point we > will have a Future Dawning Store that will be housed here. We also plan to > compose a Future Dawning e-zine which will serve as a promotional piece for > the organization. Published quarterly, it will feature exceptional people > who stand out from the crowd in the various movements. > > > > a. It is our intent to also construct a worldwide ?Classified > Ads? site devoted specifically to those looking for work, needing a place > to stay, in dire need of help, etc. during these down times. > > b. As people create new sustainable living communities, or relocalize > and/or retrofit communities, we will begin to publish a ?Habitats in > Harmony? website which will list all of the different communities worldwide > and provide information on the amenities provided. > > c. We will also provide a website which will identify all of the > ?Community Learning and Information Centers? (CLICs) worldwide. These > centers provide for the initial steps of community organizing in preparation > for the next step in ?relocalizing? or creating a new community. > > d. In addition to the CLICs, we will be promoting ?wellness? centers > on an international basis to provide for information on alternative means of > healing. > > > > XIV. *Future Dawning Communications Network*. Currently under > construction, but if you are involved in communications technologies of any > type (including film-making) and would like to join our worldwide effort to > make communions easier, please get in touch with me. Maryrose333 at att.net. > > > > > *What we can do is dependent upon how much volunteer time we can accrue to > help get the sites up and the news out. 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URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Mon May 4 11:31:35 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:31:35 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Key News: Swine Flu Boosts Pharmaceutical Stocks, Media Spreads Fear, Indefinite Detention Message-ID: <000301c9ccde$30307d60$90917820$@net> From: PEERS: WantToKnow.info Email List [mailto:emaillist at peerservice.org] Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:13 AM To: maryrose333 at att.net Subject: Key News: Swine Flu Boosts Pharmaceutical Stocks, Media Spreads Fear, Indefinite Detention To subscribe to or unsubscribe from this list (one email every few days) or to reply to this message, see end of email This message is available online at http://www.WantToKnow.info/009/090504_swine_flu_scare_media_fear_indefinite_detention Dear friends, Below are key excerpts of important news articles you may have missed. These articles include revealing information on the swine flu scare's effect on the stock values of the pharmaceutical companies which make drugs claimed to be protective, the media spreading fear on the flu, the Obama administration's planned move to establish indefinite detention without trial on U.S. soil, and more. Each excerpt is taken verbatim from the major media website listed at the link provided. If any link fails to function, click here. The most important sentences are highlighted for those with limited time. By choosing to educate ourselves and to spread the word, we can and will build a brighter future. With best wishes, Tod Fletcher and Fred Burks for PEERS and the WantToKnow.info Team P.S. To see the way the government and media attempted to spread fear about a swine flu virus in 1976, watch two short commercials broadcast on TV at the time, available here. Only one person died from the actual flu in that 1976 "epidemic," yet more than 30 died as a direct result of the flu vaccine. See the third article below for more on this. To explore the serious risks of vaccines reported in the media, click here. And for a comprehensive, well researched article on the deeper politics behind the swine flu, click here. _____ Companies look to Swine Flu to drive profits April 29, 2009, ABC News http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/story?section=news/national_world &id=6786340 Pharmaceutical stocks are skyrocketing on fears that a swine flu outbreak could go global. Manufacturers of antiviral drugs [and] companies gearing up to produce a vaccine ... are turning profits in an otherwise skittish and down market. Companies gearing up for swine flu, including Roche, Gilead Sciences and GlaxoSmithKline, the manufacturers of the leading antiviral flu medications, are best positioned to see a boost in profits if the disease escalates to epidemic proportions, analysts said. Tamiflu ... was developed by Gilead and manufactured by Roche. Both companies' share prices spiked soon after the U.S. government allowed for its stockpiles of the drug to be made publicly available. Gilead stock surged to $47.53 at the end of the day Monday, up 3.78 percent. Roche rose to $31.72, up 4.34 percent. The other major flu drug currently on the market is Relenza, also stockpiled and released by the government, and manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline. Shares of Glaxo closed surged Monday to $31.56, up 7.57 percent. Both Tamiflu and Relenza are stockpiled by governments and in the case of an outbreak the companies are often required to sell the drugs directly to the government at a discount. "Government stockpiling is viewed as boon for profits. Though the government gets a discount and the margins sold to the government are lower than those if they sold to Walgreens, from a stock perspective it's an unexpected positive surprise," he said. Note: Pharmaceutical companies make big bucks from scares like the avian flu and swine flu. Yet are the recommended drugs really effective? Many studies say they are not. For analysis of profiteering by the pharmaceutical industry during a previous flu scare, click here. See this link for lots more. _____ Scientists see this flu strain as relatively mild April 30, 2009, Los Angeles Times http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-sci-swine-reality30-2009apr30,0,3606923.story As the World Health Organization raised its infectious disease alert level Wednesday and health officials confirmed the first death linked to swine flu inside U.S. borders, scientists studying the virus are coming to the consensus that this hybrid strain of influenza -- at least in its current form -- isn't shaping up to be as fatal as the strains that caused some previous pandemics. In fact, the current outbreak of the H1N1 virus, which emerged in San Diego and southern Mexico late last month, may not even do as much damage as the run-of-the-mill flu outbreaks that occur each winter without much fanfare. "Let's not lose track of the fact that the normal seasonal influenza is a huge public health problem that kills tens of thousands of people in the U.S. alone and hundreds of thousands around the world," said Dr. Christopher Olsen, a molecular virologist who studies swine flu at the University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine in Madison. Flu viruses are known to be notoriously unpredictable, and this strain could mutate at any point -- becoming either more benign or dangerously severe. But mounting preliminary evidence from genetics labs, epidemiology models and simple mathematics suggests that the worst-case scenarios are likely to be avoided in the current outbreak. "This virus doesn't have anywhere near the capacity to kill like the 1918 virus," which claimed an estimated 50 million victims worldwide, said Richard Webby, a leading influenza virologist at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tenn. Note: For lots more on bird and swine flu scares, click here. _____ How to Deal with Swine Flu: Heeding the Mistakes of 1976 April 27, 2009, Time Magazine http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1894129,00.html In February 1976, an outbreak of swine flu struck Fort Dix Army base in New Jersey, killing a 19-year-old private and infecting hundreds of soldiers. Concerned that the U.S. was on the verge of a devastating epidemic, President Gerald Ford ordered a nationwide vaccination program at a cost of $135 million (some $500 million in today's money). Within weeks, reports surfaced of people developing Guillain-Barr? syndrome, a paralyzing nerve disease that can be caused by the vaccine. By April, more than 30 people had died of the condition. Facing protests, federal officials abruptly canceled the program on Dec. 16. The epidemic failed to materialize. Medical historians and epidemiologists say ... the decisions made in the wake of the '76 outbreak ? and the public's response to them ? provide a cautionary tale for public health officials, who may soon have to consider whether to institute draconian measures to combat the disease. "I think 1976 provides an example of how not to handle a flu outbreak," says Hugh Pennington, an emeritus professor of virology at Britain's University of Aberdeen. Despite modern advances in microbiology, today's health officials still make decisions in a "cloud of uncertainty," Pennington says. "At the moment, our understanding of the current outbreak is similarly limited. For example, we don't yet understand why people are dying in Mexico but not elsewhere." Howard Markel, director of the Center for the History of Medicine at the University of Michigan and a historical consultant to the CDC on flu pandemics, says the most vexing decision facing health officials is when to institute mass vaccination programs. Note: To watch two short commercials made in 1976 showing clear scare tactics, click here. Only one person died from the actual flu in this 1976 "epidemic," yet more than 30 died of the flu vaccine. To explore the serious risks of vaccines reported in the media, click here. For lots more on bird and swine flu scares, click here. _____ Some see media flu coverage as overblown May 3, 2009, San Francisco Chronicle http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2009/05/03/MN3B17CKP7.DTL After a few days of breathless H1N1 flu coverage - some of it on his own network - CNN commentator Jack Cafferty noted that 13,000 people have died from the "regular ol' flu" this year in the United States, compared with just one confirmed H1N1 flu death. Cafferty then asked his audience to respond to his online poll asking "if swine flu coverage was overblown." He waited a moment, then said, "Hint: Yes." For a week, the flu story has whet cable TV's bloodlust with what the 24-hour cable news vacuum craves: mystery, death and great visuals that inspire fear. "Frankly, I've been a little horrified by how sensationalist and scare-mongering it is," said Vivian Schiller, chief executive officer of National Public Radio. No detail about the flu - often delivered without context - has been too tiny to go unreported, which means that cable TV viewers are getting coverage that is moment-to-moment but often not terribly useful. Conservative talk radio hosts have used fear about the flu to segue to anti-immigrant remarks and calls to close the U.S.-Mexico border.Just when the coverage appeared to be calming a bit Thursday, Vice President Joe Biden helped rekindle fears by saying on the "Today'" show that he "would tell members of my family - and I have - I wouldn't go anywhere in confined places now." Health stories always attract huge audiences, said Andrew Kohut, president of the Pew Research Center. But viewers shouldn't expect as much breathless coverage when Congress begins debating an overhaul of the U.S. health care system over the next few months. Note: For an excellent article showing how media fear-mongering of this and past flu emergencies have brought unprecedented profits to the pharmaceutical companies, click here. _____ Hints That Detainees May Be Held on U.S. Soil May 1, 2009, New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/01/us/politics/01gitmo.html As many as 100 detainees at the prison at Guant?namo Bay, Cuba, could end up held without trial on American soil, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates suggested Thursday, a situation that he acknowledged would create widespread if not unanimous opposition in Congress. The estimate was the most specific yet from the Obama administration about how many of the 241 prisoners at Guant?namo could not be safely released, sent to other countries or appropriately tried in American courts. Mr. Gates said discussions had started this week with the Justice Department about determining how many of the Guant?namo detainees could not be sent to other countries or tried in courts. He did not say which detainees might be in that group, but independent experts have said it probably would include terrorism suspects whom the military has not yet brought charges against, among them detainees from Yemen and the Qaeda figure Abu Zubaydah, who was subjected to brutal interrogation in secret prisons run by the Central Intelligence Agency. He did not say ... under what law they would be held. The Obama administration is debating how to establish a legal basis for incarcerating detainees deemed too dangerous to be released but not appropriate to be tried because of potential problems posed by their harsh interrogations, the evidence against them or other issues. Mr. Gates said he had asked for $50 million in supplemental financing in case a facility needed to be built quickly for the detainees. Note: Ironically, it would seem from these plans revealed by Gates that closing the prison in Guantanamo is going to be used as the pretext to establish indefinite detention, without the right of habeas corpus, on American soil. But the reason for the widespread demand to close the prison is precisely to end such detentions! Do they think no one will notice? For many revealing reports from reliable sources on government attempts to erode civil liberties, click here. _____ Jet Flyover Frightens New Yorkers April 28, 2009, New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/nyregion/28plane.html It was supposed to be a photo opportunity, a showcase of Air Force One alongside the sweep of New York City skyline. But as the low-flying Boeing 747 speeded in the shadows of skyscrapers, trailed by two fighter jets, the sight instead awakened barely dormant fears of a terrorist attack, causing a momentary panic that sent workers pouring out of buildings on both sides of the Hudson River. ?I thought there was some kind of an attack,? said Paul Nadler, who sprinted down more than 20 flights of stairs after watching the plane from his office in Jersey City shortly after 10 a.m. ?We ran like hell.? Witnesses described the engine roar as the planes swooped by office towers close enough to rattle the windows and prompt evacuations at scores of buildings. Some sobbed as they made their way to the street. ?As soon as someone saw how close it got to the buildings, people literally ran out,? said Carlina Rivera, 25, who works at an educational services company on the 22nd floor of 1 Liberty Plaza, adjacent to the site of the Sept. 11, 2001, attack. ?Probably about 80 percent of my office left within two minutes of seeing how close it got to our building.? Neither the White House nor the F.A.A. explained why the mission was deemed a secret, even though officials conceded the primary purpose was picture taking. Officials at the Department of Transportation and at the Pentagon each denied responsibility for the secrecy. Note: The official lack of explanation for the government secrecy prior to this terrifying overflight of traumatized Manhattan certainly raises further questions. For lots more on the hidden realities behind the fake "war on terror", click here. _____ How ?07 ABC Interview Tilted a Torture Debate April 28, 2009, New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/business/media/28abc.html In late 2007, there was the first crack of daylight into the government?s use of waterboarding during interrogations of Al Qaeda detainees. On Dec. 10, John Kiriakou, a former C.I.A. officer who had participated in the capture of the suspected terrorist Abu Zubaydah in Pakistan in 2002, appeared on ABC News to say that while he considered waterboarding a form of torture, the technique worked and yielded results very quickly. Mr. Zubaydah started to cooperate after being waterboarded for ?probably 30, 35 seconds,? Mr. Kiriakou told the ABC reporter Brian Ross. ?From that day on he answered every question.? His claims ? unverified at the time, but repeated by dozens of broadcasts, blogs and newspapers ? have been sharply contradicted by a newly declassified Justice Department memo that said waterboarding had been used on Mr. Zubaydah ?at least 83 times.? Some critics say that the now-discredited information shared by Mr. Kiriakou and other sources heightened the public perception of waterboarding as an effective interrogation technique. ?I think it was sanitized by the way it was described? in press accounts, said John Sifton, a former lawyer for Human Rights Watch. On ?World News,? ABC included only a caveat that Mr. Kiriakou himself ?never carried out any of the waterboarding.? Still, he told ABC that the actions had ?disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks.? A video of the interview was no longer on ABC's website. Note: For the transcript of the original ABC interview of John Kiriakou, click here . To watch a video of the interview which ABC News removed from its website, click here. _____ The State-Secrets Privilege, Tamed April 30, 2009, New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/30/opinion/30thu1.html Of the many ways that the Bush administration sought to evade accountability for its violations of the law and the Constitution under the cover of battling terrorism, one of the most appalling was its attempt to use inflated claims of state secrecy to slam shut the doors of the nation?s courthouses. Sadly, the Obama administration also embraced this tactic, even though President Obama criticized the cult of secrecy while running for office, leaving it to the courts to stand up for transparency and accountability. And that is just what a panel of the federal appeals court in San Francisco did on Tuesday by firmly rejecting the claim that the government can prevent a judge from even hearing those who say they were hurt by federal policies and actions. The unanimous ruling by a three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit reinstated a civil lawsuit brought against a government contractor by five victims of the extraordinary rendition program, under which foreigners were kidnapped and flown to other countries for interrogation and torture. The panel said the government can ask a judge to decide on a case-by-case basis whether disclosing particular evidence would jeopardize national security. But it recognized the affront to civil liberties and the constitutional separation of powers in the Justice Department?s argument that the executive branch is entitled to have lawsuits shut down whenever an official makes a blanket claim of national security. Note: For lots more on government secrecy from reliable sources, click here. _____ Brain Wave of The Future April 23, 2009, Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/22/AR2009042204036.html Competing mind-over-matter toys from Mattel and Uncle Milton Industries are coming this fall to a store near you. They are the first "brain-computer interfaces" to enter the consumer mainstream. NeuroSky is in the forefront of turning brain-computer interfaces into cheap, ubiquitous consumer items. It's selling brain-reading hardware and software headsets to all comers -- including Christmas competitors like Mattel's $80 Mindflex and Uncle Milton's $130 Force Trainer, both of which involve levitating a ping-pong-like ball. NeuroSky has its sights set on providing brain-wave sensors for the automotive, health-care and education industries. The prospect for mind controlling matter dates to 1875, when Richard Caton discovered that you could peer into the workings of the brain by detecting its electrical impulses. In 1929 came the first electroencephalograph -- the EEG machine. But hospital EEG machines are expensive, enormous and not good at fine control; plus you have to smear conductive goop on your head -- not a great selling point. Thus, NeuroSky's adaptation is no small thing. They get a single dry sensor to read your bare forehead, no goop, no holes drilled through the skull. They get the device to focus on the correct signals from that extremely noisy brain area, filtering out everything else -- that's their big trick. "It's like being at a crowded party, and picking out one quiet conversation," says Liu. Then they make it small, light and cheap, and deliver it to market. Note: Don't miss the astonishing video demonstration on the Post website. And remember that the military is generally at least 10 years ahead of industry in any new technologies like this. _____ Paying a Price for Loving Red Meat April 28, 2009, New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/health/28brod.html?partner=rss &emc=rss&pagewanted=all There was a time when red meat was a luxury for ordinary Americans, or was at least something special: cooking a roast for Sunday dinner, ordering a steak at a restaurant. Not anymore. Meat consumption has more than doubled in the United States in the last 50 years. Now a new study of more than 500,000 Americans has provided the best evidence yet that our affinity for red meat has exacted a hefty price on our health and limited our longevity. The study found that, other things being equal, the men and women who consumed the most red and processed meat were likely to die sooner, especially from one of our two leading killers, heart disease and cancer, than people who consumed much smaller amounts of these foods. The number of excess deaths that could be attributed to high meat consumption is quite large given the size of the American population. Extrapolated to all Americans in the age group studied, the new findings suggest that over the course of a decade, the deaths of one million men and perhaps half a million women could be prevented just by eating less red and processed meats, according to estimates prepared by Dr. Barry Popkin, who wrote an editorial accompanying the report. In place of red meat, nonvegetarians might consider poultry and fish. In the study, the largest consumers of ?white? meat from poultry and fish had a slight survival advantage. Likewise, those who ate the most fruits and vegetables also tended to live longer. Note: For many excellent reports on health issues, click here. _____ Birds can 'dance' to music, researchers say May 1, 2009, San Francisco Chronicle (San Francisco's leading newspaper) http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/01/MNPU17C72F.DTL After studying a cockatoo that grooves to the Backstreet Boys and about 1,000 YouTube videos, scientists say they've documented for the first time that some animals "dance" to a musical beat. The results support a theory for why the human brain is wired for dancing. In lab studies of two parrots and close review of the YouTube videos, scientists looked for signs that animals were actually feeling the beat of music they heard. The verdict: Some parrots did, and maybe an occasional elephant. But researchers found no evidence of that for dogs and cats, despite long exposure to people and music, nor for chimps, our closest living relatives. Why? The truly boppin' animals shared with people some ability to mimic sounds they hear, the researchers say. The brain circuitry for that ability lets people learn to talk, and evidently also to dance or tap their toes to music, suggests Aniruddh Patel of the Neurosciences Institute in San Diego. He proposed the music connection in 2006. He also led a study of Snowball that was published online Thursday by the journal Current Biology. A separate YouTube study, also published Thursday by the journal, was led by Adena Schachner, a graduate student in psychology at Harvard University. In sum, the new research "definitely gives us a bit of insight into why and how humans became able to dance," Schachner said. A video of Snowball bobbing his head and kicking like a little Rockette to music has been viewed more than 2 million times on YouTube since it was posted in 2007. Snowball's movements followed the beat of his favorite Backstreet Boys song ... even when researchers sped up the tune and slowed it down. Note: To watch videos of Snowball dancing to the Backstreet Boys and Huey Lewis, click here. _____ Key Articles From Years Past _____ Donald Rumsfeld makes $5m killing on bird flu drug March 12, 2006, The Independent (One of the U.K.'s leading newspapers) http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article350787.ece The US Defence Secretary has made more than $5m (?2.9m) in capital gains from selling shares in the biotechnology firm that discovered and developed Tamiflu, the drug being bought in massive amounts by Governments to treat a possible human pandemic of the disease. More than 60 countries have so far ordered large stocks of the antiviral medication - the only oral medicine believed to be effective against the deadly H5N1 strain of the disease - to try to protect their people. The United Nations estimates that a pandemic could kill 150 million people worldwide. The drug was developed by a Californian biotech company, Gilead Sciences. Mr Rumsfeld was on the board of Gilead from 1988 to 2001, and was its chairman from 1997. He then left to join the Bush administration, but retained a huge shareholding. The 2005 report showed that, in all, he owned shares worth up to $95.9m, from which he got an income of up to $13m. The firm made a loss in 2003, the year before concern about bird flu started. Then revenues from Tamiflu almost quadrupled, to $44.6m, helping put the company well into the black. Sales almost quadrupled again, to $161.6m last year. Note: If the above link fails, click here. 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URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Mon May 4 11:51:46 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:51:46 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: The lessons we can learn from women entrepreneurs Message-ID: <000f01c9cce1$01ba1510$052e3f30$@net> In studying the biology of human consciousness for The Sacred Quest, I discovered that the "corpus collosum" (brain stem) in women is generally thicker than that found in men. This allows for much faster processing of information, which may explain why women are more successful in business than men as a general rule; however, there are always exceptions. The thought comes to mind that men generally have more muscle and are stronger than women, and, that the brain/brawn combination that occurs when brainy women and brawny men pair up together may have been part of nature's survival plan for the human family. However, now that computerization and advanced technologies are fast replacing the need for brawn, are we going to see a difference in physiological structure including the corpus collosum? This is one of the reasons understanding the biology of human consciousness, and how all of our parts work together to create this consciousness, is so important to understanding why we do the things we do. From: Mary Rose [mailto:dustysummerrose at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:31 AM To: maryrose333 at att.net Subject: Fwd: The lessons we can learn from women entrepreneurs ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Thomas White Date: Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:04 AM Subject: The lessons we can learn from women entrepreneurs To: dustysummerrose at gmail.com ? Well, I have had my eyes opened! Over the past month, we have been working on a program that features women entrepreneurs. In talking with these women from both the U.S. and Europe, I have begun to understand a number of important aspects of the value of women entrepreneurs. Let me start with the fact that women-owned businesses are being started at twice the rate of men-owned businesses. These businesses have twice the rate of staying in business than men-owned businesses (for women of color it's four times). When asked why they started their businesses, no woman answered, "to make money". Instead there were a variety of reasons that can be boiled down to wanting to serve their customers with something of real value. These women are also facing challenges that don't make it easy. These obstacles can be best summarized as access to capital and access to markets. Women find it more difficult to secure bank financing and investment funding, even though their repayment rates exceed those of men-owned businesses. They are often not taken seriously by large corporations and not included at the table for business opportunities, notwithstanding the policies these businesses have to support women-owned businesses. Their response to these obstacles is a sense of determination. One of our guests said, "women can make profit from thin air." Because of fewer resources and restricted opportunities, these women have found innovative ways to offer products and services that defy conventional thinking. They talked about how the experiences of motherhood prepared them for getting more done with less. I feel this program is one of our best and you will benefit from the wisdom that these women generously shared. We will be airing another program with women entrepreneurs in about six weeks and welcome your feedback and recommendations. Thomas This message was sent from Thomas White to dustysummerrose at gmail.com. It was sent from: Profoundly Simple, 1104 Ashbury Ct., Geneva, Il 60134. 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Have your say: Barack Obama The White House estimated the plan would save ?140 billion over the next decade. "The steps I am announcing will help us deal with some of the more egregious examples of what is wrong with our tax code," said Mr Obama. "It is the downpayment on the larger tax reform we need to make our tax system simpler and fairer and more efficient for individuals and corporations." US firms are currently allowed to defer paying taxes on profits earned overseas if they put those profits back into their foreign subsidiaries. Critics say those rules encourage businesses to bolster their foreign operations instead of creating jobs at home. During his campaign last year, Mr Obama promised to change those provisions. In March, 200 companies and trade groups like the US Chamber of Commerce sent congressional leaders a letter opposing changes to the "deferral" provision. The letter said the firms would not be on a level playing field with international rivals, many of which are not required to pay taxes at home on overseas entities. Pfizer, Oracle, Microsoft Corp, Johnson & Johnson and General Electric Co were among the firms that signed the letter. Email Story Share Story Delicious Digg Facebook Stumbleupon Reddit Newsvine Print Story Subscribe to RSS Latest news 9 mins ago Georgia uncovers coup plot 29 mins ago Muggers target Eugenie group 29 mins ago Dozens of -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Tue May 5 11:06:17 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:06:17 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: SpritCrossing - Genie in Your Genes Now in Paperback Message-ID: <003301c9cda3$d1c239a0$7546ace0$@net> What does learning more about how the human operating system works have to do with learning how to construct social systems which work effectively, you may ask. The answer is that just as is the atom, is the cell, is the human body, is the community, is the earth, is the universe. All have an "Implicate Order" which duplicate one another except for size. Previously, when writing this, I had left out "community" and now see the error of my ways, because using the human operating system model as a way to configure the social system which underlie our communities is to incorporate the Implicate Order of life into our human made systems as an authentic organic expression of all that is. When we attempt to deviate from this natural Implicate Order, is when disease and corruption in the system set in and break down occurs, as has and is continuing to happen today as evidenced by the slow agonizing death we are witnessing as fragile ecosystems disintegrate from under our feet. And in the process, we lose our soul as our connection to our Earth Mother no longer provides us with the necessary energy for life. Reading "The Genie in Your Genes" along with Bruce Lipton's "Biology of Belief" may help us to create a new "collective consciousness," when enough of us become aware and begin to live the reality of the Implicate Order. Entry into this portal and taking this pathway is a place to begin. Think about it. Mary Rose www.FutureDawning.org From: Spiritcrossing [mailto:info at spiritcrossing.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:27 AM To: maryrose333 at att.net Subject: SpritCrossing - Genie in Your Genes Now in Paperback Email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser. 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URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Tue May 5 14:02:59 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:02:59 -0700 Subject: [GJM] Invitation: was: Future Dawning Portals and Pathways Message-ID: <001001c9cdbc$80d99a60$828ccf20$@net> Dear Mukhtar - Your presence on Future Dawning is certainly most welcome along with anyone else who wants to join. We are still attempting to iron out a lot of the "how to do's" associated with getting this endeavor up and running at its maximum potential. So, if you are willing to bear with us and also make suggestions as to how to do this, as we grow into "family" as is intended, then please join. If you (or anyone else) is not sure as to which Portal and Pathway(s) to join, it may be best to just sign up to the Admin/Resource Center site (which is the first site after you come through the "splash" page) and spend some time there until you feel more comfortable with the concept, since the 14 Portals and Pathways (14 different websites joined together) make this a much more complex operation to manage and utilize, than would just one single website. Entry to the site is via: www.futuredawning.org. If you, Mukhtar, (or anyone else) feels ready to join another site, then use the menu to the left of the screen to go to that site and sign up. If you need help, contact me: maryrose333 at att.net If you want to sign up and also set up a group for others you are closely related to, and/or working with, and want to identify your "group" (for example: Ecological Audit, etc.), then join first as an individual and then set up a group under the name Ecological Audit. . . .). Once a member, you may begin to invite other members who also become part of your group. In this manner people can work closely together as members of a group, and then also join the larger membership of the particular Portal and Pathway chosen to coordinate different projects, or put on a group event, etc. The Admin/Resource Center for FD serves not only a port-of-entry, but as a databank/resource center to store information gathered from different sources, then, categorize it, prioritize it, format it, validate it, and then re-disseminate it appropriately. In this manner, we hope to be able to eliminate propaganda and disseminate information in a manner that enables informed and intelligent decision-making in the best interest of all concerned. This Portal and Pathway will then coordinate closely with those involved in the Crystal Clearwater Alliance P&P. Crystal Clearwater Alliance is designed for those who want to be actively involved in some way in broadcasting and disseminating information via different venues. For example some may choose film distributed either via theatre, DVD, TV, computer or all of the aforementioned. Others may choose to write books (distributed only via electronic means so as to address the cutting down of trees, or printed on paper made from hemp or banana leaves, etc.) Others may prefer to use Personal Presentations to small groups, or to use radio or TV exclusively. This P&P also provides a space for scriptwriters as well as for authors of books, articles, etc. Or, as a display for those who want to direct people their personal website where art may be displayed for purchase. The Crystal Clearwater Alliance, then will coordinate closely with the Future Dawning Artists Network so that as needed, there is quick access to those who have the ability to design book covers, provide music for a production, need a choreographer, web designer, graphic artist, set designer, photographer, light works, etc, etc., etc. , in order to broadcast information more effectively. Please bear in mind that Future Dawning was initially dreamed up as a place to bring together 1 million of the world's most creative thinkers in order to create the "learning center/think tank" which would allow us to first consider, and then prioritize the most pressing challenges faced by the human family today, and then begin to address them in a "holodynamic" and "future-oriented" manner in order to find long-lasting solutions. We are also very closely linked with the TransitionUS movement, in that Les Squires, Co-Founder of this organization, is onboard with us. And, I am encouraging anyone who joins FD to as well join the TransitionUS organization here so as to gain "the whole big picture perspective." Les is working right now to train people in other countries as well as the US to set up their communities utilizing the NING platform coupled with SKYPE. So, TransitionUS is more than what its name implies. And the focus, as I understand it, is on "re-localization" and "retrofitting" as well as moving from "agriculture" to "permaculture," whereas the focus of FD is more on creating a "future by design" rather than just haphazardly plopping cities down where they never should have been created in the first place, and creating technologies in order to "make money" without the consideration of other values, etc. FD will be more into utilizing computer modeling with which to make informed decisions which serve in the best interests of all, rather than relying on "political forces" with vested interests which are only concerned with themselves and the hell with the rest of us. What I would like to foster here with FD is a space where people can come together as "just people" leaving behind any fixed agendas, or allegiance to any particular nation-state, religion, or political party, and just bring an open mind with regard to finding out "what works and what doesn't" in the best interest of all concerned as we exchange ideas (information), and learn from one another We want to foster an atmosphere that is as "heart-centered" as we can, dispensing love and compassion for all life on Earth as our first concern. We have a lot of growing to do and will need a lot of creative talent to get from here to there. But let me just inject here that Facebook now has 200 million members which is but a very small percentage of the world's population. So, the potential for FD to exceed that number and be able to work in a more collaborative manner is certainly open and unlimited. With love and appreciation and looking forward to getting together with you Mukhtar on Future Dawning. mary rose www.futuredawning.org maryrose333 at att.net From: Centre For Ecological Audit, Social Inclusion & Governance [mailto:ceasig at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 11:49 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Cc: mary rose Subject: Re: [GJM] Future Dawning Portals and Pathways Dear Mary, The outline looks impressive. It would wonderful if you get also a link for sharing the ecologically safe innovations/ recalls from the ecologically safe past of ours specially from the areas that appears to have become totally dependant on GHG emitting energy intensive support systems, services and commodities. Another link for carbon neutral practices for leisure would be interesting that may contain the stories from ecologically hostile habitats. I would be writing in detail. A presentation my mine can be seen at http://slideshare.net/mukhtaralam With warmest regards mukhtar On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 7:25 AM, mary rose wrote: FUTURE DAWNING PORTALS AND PATHWAYS OUTLINE 1 OF 3 Pages. Transforming Our World with Mary Rose and Friends: This is a personal website through which i, Mary Rose, want to bring together scientists and others involved in the development of "new thought" which aids in setting the trends for Future Dawning. We will review books, articles, research & other information on issues relative to human consciousness, sustainable living, wellness, spirituality. cosmology, archaeology, history, etc., to determine their contribution to, and overall affect on movement. Information gathered will be published via different venues. I. Future Dawning Alliance - Grassroots movement for social change thru the evolution of human consciousness, focusing on self-reliance in a resource-based economy. Current thoughts are that in order to accomplish a transition based on achieving something In the "best" interests of all concerned, we may need two different economies operating simultaneously. A. Accomplishes Social Systems Redesign B. Designs and Implements alternative education programs II. People for a Sustainable Future: Learning Center for the simple living and sustainable living movements taking place today. This center will also address issues related to water issues, oceans, rivers and streams, rainforest conservation, global climate change, etc. And, as well address how to accomplish a move into simple living and the construction of sustainable living communities in today's world. III. Coherent Hearts Network: Unites people and organizations worldwide participating in heart-centered activities directed toward maintaining health and well-being. Transforms food system and coordinates exercise programs (Tai Chi, Qigong, Yoga) for overall health and well-being. IV. Integral Women in Motion: Unites individual women and women's groups worldwide, connecting with other movements, e.g., sustainable living and human consciousness. V. Crystal Clearwater Alliance: Media Center for grass roots movement to coalesce in demanding truth from government and all other entities in all areas. Let's get rid of the lies, so we can begin to make decisions about our future based on valid information. VI. New Energy Coalition: Brings together individuals and groups interested in creating clean energy and water resources. VII. Waste Not - Want Not: Brings groups and individuals together to address waste remediation issues and find solutions. With resource depletion coming on so rapidly, we must now look to mining our waste dumps for valued resource. We must move beyond "recycling" and into "recapture". VIII. Quantum Corner: Brings together physicists and others in the study of Quantum Physics and its contribution to society today. This site is by invitation only and serves as also as a gathering place for the most informed members of Future Dawning. IX. Honu International - Unites Indigenous people worldwide X. Spiritual Center - Considers the origination of homo sapiens as we know this species today. Probes the possibility of Extra-terrestrial Life on Earth. Explores the work of Zechariah Sitchin and his translation of the Sumerian Tablets as intertwined with the Bible. Considers archaeological finds from the Neolithic Age to present. Considers different religions and their impact on the world today. XI. Future Dawning Artist's Corner: Brings together artists of all representations interested in using their creativity to design a better world XII. Future Dawning Test Site - Site Administrators use this site to test out new applications, tags, etc. before installing them on the site. XIII. Future Dawning Admin/Resource Center . This is currently the entryway to the FD Portals and Pathways from the splash page. It will also serve as a Multi-media Resource Center, and at some point we will have a Future Dawning Store that will be housed here. We also plan to compose a Future Dawning e-zine which will serve as a promotional piece for the organization. Published quarterly, it will feature exceptional people who stand out from the crowd in the various movements. a. It is our intent to also construct a worldwide "Classified Ads" site devoted specifically to those looking for work, needing a place to stay, in dire need of help, etc. during these down times. b. As people create new sustainable living communities, or relocalize and/or retrofit communities, we will begin to publish a "Habitats in Harmony" website which will list all of the different communities worldwide and provide information on the amenities provided. c. We will also provide a website which will identify all of the "Community Learning and Information Centers" (CLICs) worldwide. These centers provide for the initial steps of community organizing in preparation for the next step in "relocalizing" or creating a new community. d. In addition to the CLICs, we will be promoting "wellness" centers on an international basis to provide for information on alternative means of healing. XIV. Future Dawning Communications Network. Currently under construction, but if you are involved in communications technologies of any type (including film-making) and would like to join our worldwide effort to make communions easier, please get in touch with me. Maryrose333 at att.net. What we can do is dependent upon how much volunteer time we can accrue to help get the sites up and the news out. So, if you have the skills we need and some spare time, please join in and help out. 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URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Tue May 5 14:10:57 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:10:57 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [wvns] Hollywood Delegation Visits Iran Message-ID: <001501c9cdbd$9d954bd0$d8bfe370$@net> If we just get the politicians and the bankers, along with the religious zealots out of the way, maybe we could find peaceful co-existence. And, peaceful co-existence in my mind anyway, doesn't mean that we never have differences, but we find a way to resolve them without armed conflict. Integration is a very important word in today's world. It provides a middle path where we may walk into a higher consciousness together. But, then truth is also an important ingredient that we must be constantly seeking. From: BOB TAFT [mailto:rbtaft at rtconnect.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:20 PM To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Subject: Fw: [wvns] Hollywood Delegation Visits Iran These are some of the people Israel wants to destroy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMN1e_ySMmo &NR=1 Best regards, Bob Taft The Taft Ranch Upton, Wyoming http://www.freedomclubusa.com/the_tun (307) 465-2206 http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=74897 "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." AESOP From: World View Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:46 AM To: wvns at yahoogroups.com Subject: [wvns] Hollywood Delegation Visits Iran Ganis: Iran far from what US media say http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=91292 §ionid=351020105 President of the American Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, Sid Ganis says Iran is very different from what the US mainstream portrays. Ganis visited Iran along with American actresses Annette Bening and Alfre Woodard, Academy Award-winning screenwriter Frank Pierson, producer William Horberg and Phil Alden Robinson in early March. "Our entire group was somewhat surprised to see how different Iranian life is, the way people live it on a daily basis, from the usual depictions we see in the media, especially the news media," said Ganis in an interview with Foreign Policy Journal. "Iranians are very sophisticated, educated and culturally literate people and they have access to far more western media and technology than any of us had realized." He said. "We traveled freely around Tehran, Shiraz and Isfahan and we didn't see any signs of political demonstrations or speech directed against Americans." Ganis also referred to the unexpected hospitality of Iranians saying that they "were met with an incredibly warm and hospitable welcome by the filmmakers of Iran, and the people in general." The 69-year-old producer described his visit as a great opportunity to learn about Iranian culture and the ancient Persian civilization. "The opportunity to go on this trip has given me an incredible opportunity to study this ancient country and its people." "Iran has been so difficult to visit for Americans, and there are so many preconceptions about it, that it's hard to get an accurate picture without actually going there yourself." The Hollywood delegation attended seminars and workshops on screenwriting, directing, acting, documentary filmmaking, production, and film marketing and distribution. 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Sign the petition to the World Health Organization and the Food and Agriculture Organization to investigate and regulate these threats to our health: Image removed by sender. Sign the Petition! No-one yet knows whether swine flu will become a global pandemic, but it is becoming clear where it came from ? most likely a giant pig factory farm run by an American multinational corporation in Veracruz, Mexico.(1) These factory farms are disgusting and dangerous, and they're rapidly multiplying. Thousands of pigs are brutally crammed into dirty warehouses and sprayed with a cocktail of drugs -- posing a health risk to more than just our food -- they and their manure lagoons create the perfect conditions to breed dangerous new viruses like swine flu. The World Health Organization (WHO) and the Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) must investigate and develop regulations for these farms to protect global health. Big agrobusiness will try to obstruct and scuttle any attempts at reform, so we need a massive outcry that health authorities can't ignore. Sign the petition below for investigation and regulation of factory farms and tell your friends and family and we will deliver it to the UN agencies. If we reach 200,000 signatures we will deliver it to the WHO in Geneva with a herd of cardboard pigs. For every 1000 petition signatures we will add a pig to the herd: http://www.avaaz.org/en/swine_flu_pandemic Last week the flu was all that we talked about -- Mexico has been nearly paralysed and across the world leaders halted air travel, banned pork imports and initiated drastic controls to mitigate the spreading virus. As the threat shows signs of subsiding the question becomes where it came from and how we stop another outbreak. Smithfield Corporation, the largest pig producer in the world whose farm is being fingered as the source of the H1N1 outbreak, denies any connection between their pigs and the flu and big agrobusiness worldwide pays huge sums of money for research to argue that biosafety is ensured in industrial hog production. But the WHO has been saying for years that 'a new pandemic is inevitable'(2) and experts from the European Commission and the FAO have cautioned that the rapid move from small holdings to industrial pig production is in fact increasing the risk of development and transmission of disease epidemics. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warn that scientists still do not know the extent that infectious compounds produced in factory farms affect human health.(3) Studies abound of the horrific conditions endured by pigs in concentrated large-scale operations, and the devastating economic impact on small farmer communities of bloated large-scale operations.(4) Smithfield itself has already been fined $12.6m and is currently under another federal investigation in the US for toxic environmental damage from pig excrement lakes.(5) But even with all of this damaging evidence, a combination of increased global meat consumption and a powerful industry motivated by profit at the cost of human health, means that instead of being shut down - these sickening factory farm operations are propagating around the world and we are subsidising them (6). In the wake of this swine flu threat, let's hold industrial pig producers to account. Sign the petition for investigation and regulation: http://www.avaaz.org/en/swine_flu_pandemic If we resolve this global health crisis boldly by reassessing our food consumption and production, and urgently calling for an inquiry into the impact of factory farms on human health, we could put in place tough farm practice rules that will save the global population from future animal borne lethal pandemics. http://www.avaaz.org/en/swine_flu_pandemic in hope, Alice, Pascal, Graziela, Paul, Brett, Ben, Ricken, Iain, Paula, Luis, Raj, Veronique, Milena, Margaret, Taren and the whole Avaaz team (1) Biosurveillance report tracing the disease to the Smithfields farm: http://biosurveillance.typepad.com/biosurveillance/2009/04/swine-flu-in-mexico-timeline-of-events.html Reports on the link between the Mexican factory farm and the flu: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/for-la-gloria-the-stench-of-blame-is-from-pig-factories-1675809.html http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-fg-mexico-flu28-2009apr28,0,1701782.story http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=can-swine-flu-be-blamed-on-industri-09-05-01 http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227063.800-swine-flu-the-predictable-pandemic.html?full=true http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/swine-flu-outbreak----nat_b_191408.html (2) WHO pandemic information http://www.euro.who.int/influenza/20080618_19 (3) FAO, EC and CDC reports on the risks of industrial farming on public health FAO and CIWF and http://www.cdc.gov/cafos/about.htm (4) CIWF and PETA video reports of the disgusting conditions for animals in factory farms and the disease ridden manure swamps: CIWF and PETA (5) Reports on Smithfield's animal welfare and environmental damage http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/for-la-gloria-the-stench-of-blame-is-from-pig-factories-1675809.html http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/press/releases/new-report-highlights-the-trouble-with-smithfield-article03132008 http://avaazimages.s3.amazonaws.com/SmithfieldJan08.pdf (6) Reports on UK tax payers subsidising factory farms http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/agriculture/farming/5225298/Taxpayers-forking-out-700-million-for-factory-farming-in-England.html --------- Image removed by sender. 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"A great high wall there tried to stop me / A great big sign there said private property / But on the other side it didn't say nothing / That side was made for you and me." Pete Seeger Carries Us On Posted on May 5, 2009 http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090505_pete_seeger_carries_us_on/?ln It was some garden party. Eighteen thousand people packed into Madison Square Garden Sunday night to celebrate the first 90 years of Pete Seeger's life. The legendary folk singer is a living history of the 20th century's grass-roots struggles for worker rights, civil rights, the environment and peace. Powerful, passionate performances and tributes rang out from the stage, highlighting Seeger's enduring imprint on our society. Bruce Springsteen opened his set with a tribute to Pete, saying, "As Pete and I traveled to Washington for President Obama's inaugural celebration, he told me the entire story of 'We Shall Overcome,' how it moved from a labor-movement song and, with Pete's inspiration, had been adopted by the civil-rights movement. And that day, as we sang 'This Land Is Your Land,' I looked at Pete. The first black president of the United States was seated to his right. I thought of the incredible journey that Pete had taken. ... He was so happy that day. It was like, Pete, you outlasted the bastards, man." Springsteen recalled Pete's only request for the inaugural: "'Well, I know I want to sing all the verses [of 'This Land Is Your Land']. You know, I want to sing all the ones that Woody [Guthrie] wrote, especially the two that get left out ... about private property and the relief office.' ... That's what Pete's done his whole life: He sings all the verses all the time, especially the ones that we'd like to leave out of our history as a people." The oft-censored verses, for the record: "In the squares of the city, under shadow of the steeple / At the relief office, I saw my people / As they stood there hungry, I stood there whistling / This land was made for you and me. "A great high wall there tried to stop me / A great big sign there said private property / But on the other side it didn't say nothing / That side was made for you and me." Seeger's unflinching commitment to social justice landed him before the House Un-American Activities Committee in 1955. He told HUAC, "I resent very much and very deeply the implication of being called before this committee that in some way because my opinions may be different from yours, that I am any less of an American than anyone else." Seeger was blacklisted and didn't appear on television for close to 15 years until he sang on "The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour." Seeger told me: "The Smothers Brothers were a big, big success on the CBS television. And ... in the spring of '67, CBS says, 'What can we do to make you happier?' And they said, 'Let us have Seeger on.' And CBS said, 'Well, we'll think about it.' Finally, in October they said, 'OK, you can have him on.' And I sang this song 'Waist deep in the Big Muddy, the big fool says to push on.'... In New York, they scissored the song out. The Smothers Brothers took to the print media and said, 'CBS ... censored Seeger's best song.' ... Finally, in late January of '68, CBS said, 'OK, OK, he can sing the song.'" The song tells of an Army captain who drowned while ordering his troops deeper and deeper into a river-an obvious metaphor for U.S. involvement in Vietnam. In 1949, Pete Seeger and the great "whitelisted" black opera singer and actor Paul Robeson held a concert in Peekskill, N.Y., an upstate village with an active Ku Klux Klan. A vigilante mob stoned the crowd. Hundreds were injured. Pete took rocks from that assault and incorporated them into his fireplace-so that the stones meant to maim now just protect the flame. Dear to Pete for his life has been the Hudson River, said to be one of the most polluted bodies of water in the world. In 1966, Pete co-founded the environmental organization Hudson River Sloop Clearwater, which uses a beautiful wooden boat and an annual celebration to engage and educate people on the need to clean the Hudson and protect the environment. There is a movement to nominate Pete Seeger for the Nobel Peace Prize (see nobelprize4pete.org). At Madison Square Garden, Pete was center stage, playing his banjo. His singing voice is faint now, after 70 years of singing truth to power. He mouthed the words to the songs, but what came out were the voices of the 18,000 people in the audience, singing out. That's Pete's legacy. That's what will carry on. Denis Moynihan contributed research to this column. Amy Goodman is the host of "Democracy Now!," a daily international TV/radio news hour airing on more than 750 stations in North America. She is the co-author of "Standing Up to the Madness: Ordinary Heroes in Extraordinary Times," recently released in paperback. From dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk Wed May 6 03:14:10 2009 From: dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk (robert searle) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:14:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GJM] Invite to The New Emergency Conference Message-ID: <835863.48250.qm@web27402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, The New Emergency Conference wrote: From: The New Emergency Conference Subject: Invite to The New Emergency Conference To: dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk Date: Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 10:23 AM Please circulate to staff or other parties who may be interested in this upcoming conference. (Mailing list information, including opt-out instructions, is located at the end of this message.) Almost 70 years ago, the outbreak of World War II forced the Irish Government to declare a state of national emergency. The Emergency Powers Act of September 1939 gave it the authority "to make provisions for the maintenance of public order and for the provision and control of supplies and services essential to the life of the community." Today a similar attitude is needed to address an emergency of a different and even more compelling kind: global economic collapse, combined with crises in climate change, water and energy supply, soil erosion, and the massive over-exploitation of natural resources. The extraordinary growth in population, wealth, urbanisation and societal complexity witnessed since the Industrial Revolution cannot continue. Nature's life-support systems are failing fast. Humanity is facing what might be called "The New Emergency." If ours is to be a stable world, the restoration of resilience at a local and global level must become a priority . And this resilience has to be achieved with the commitment and pace that countries adopt when, as in 1939, there is an immediate and very real threat to people's security and well-being. This conference, marking Feasta's tenth anniversary, will analyse the systems and the mindsets that have steered the world onto its grotesquely unsustainable current path. Discussions will focus on the new systems (financial, energy, food) and ways of thinking that are urgently required to correct the situation and bring about a rapid transition to a more secure future. Many of the ideas explored are Feasta's. Others will be presented by international speakers who broadly share Feasta's analysis of what needs to be done to build a truly sustainable world. Speakers include: Eamon Ryan, Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, will launch the conference with an opening speech. Dmitry Orlov, author of Reinventing Collapse, will give a public lecture at the Davenport Hotel, June 9th and will feature throughout the conference with a focus on deglobalisation, relocalisation and definancialisation. Richard Douthwaite, Feasta co-founder and author of The Growth Illusion, Short Circuit and The Ecology of Money, will explain how the primary global crises interrelate and are intrinsic to our economic and governance structure. Chris Vernon, an editor of the Oil Drum, an energy futures discussion website, will discuss how much usable energy the world can expect to get from fossil fuels in future since it is taking more and more energy to produce energy. Julian Darley, author of High Noon for Natural Gas, will examine the factors involved in high-level decision making for sustainable change. David Korowicz, physicist and human systems ecologist, will give a systems view of collapse dynamics. Dan Sullivan, director of Saving Communities, will investigate land value taxation as a community development tool. Emer O'Siochru, Feasta co-founder and director of EOS Architects, will discuss the Proximity Principle in rural planning and urban settlements, integrating energy, heat, material sources, waste management and fertility. Ludwig Schuster, Living City Architects, will concentrate on bio-regional currencies that encourage sustainable use of resources rather than requiring growth and exploitation. Bruce Darrell, co-founder of Dublin Food Growing, will explore methods to develop secure food systems that do not rely on finite resources. Early Bird Rates until May 22nd*: Conference Fees for the three day event including public lecture. Corporate/Government Rate ?360 NGO Rate ?170 Feasta Member Rate ?150 Corporate Day Rate ?180 NGO/Feasta Day Rate ?100 With Conference Dinner (on June 11th): ?35 Deadline for booking Conference Dinner is May 22nd. *All prices to rise after this date by approximately 15%. All prices include daily coffees/teas and lunches. A limited number of scholarships are available. For more information contact conference at feasta.org or 01 6619572. For media requests call Kathryn Speedie on 086 3642728. 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URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Wed May 6 09:45:11 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 08:45:11 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Interview with Drunvalo Melchizedek Message-ID: <004c01c9ce61$a74004f0$f5c00ed0$@net> >From what little I know about DNA and how thought can affect it, (which relatively speaking in terms of how many on the planet are aware of this, is a lot) then changes like those noted here are going to be coming along at an ever- faster pace. Just this morning, I picked up some revolutionary knowledge with a click or two of the mouse that has me sitting here not only reassessing some things, but also realizing what an important tool Future Dawning is in this context. So, fasten your seat belts and get ready for what will seem like a rocket launch, as change gets further underway. Those who snooze may lose. And, if you aren't on Facebook or Plaxo, or Linked-in, and connected by Twitter with those who are leading the pack and facilitating this change, then maybe better find the nearest retirement home and cash it in. But the other part of this is, as I have said previously, as the "body electric" we need to be grounded to function effectively. And growing one's own food, eating it raw, and doing Qui gong, Tai Chi, or Yoga, outside and barefoot, coupled with meditation are some of the best ways of keeping the body/mind in balance as technological advances tend to overwhelm the system. It's all about integration today, and making appropriate choices is key. Thanks again, Loren, for some great posts this morning. From: lawrence kiely [mailto:topdownyoga at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:47 PM To: Anne Pierce Subject: Interview with Drunvalo Melchizedek Interesting read....... Children of the New Dream Interview with Drunvalo Melchizedek By Diane Cooper Diane: So Drunvalo...who are these "Children of the New Dream" that you are so excited about? Drunvalo: Well there are 3 different kinds of children emerging in the world today that I have been able to identify. The first are called the "Super Psychic Children of China." The second are called the "Indigo Children" and the third are called the "Children of AIDS." The first one, the "Super Psychics of China," we talked about in the Flower of Life seminars. If you remember, the first one was discovered in 1984 when a child was found who was psychic beyond belief. Researchers conducted every psychic test you could imagine and he was 100% correct every time. You could turn cards over in another room and that didn't matter. He could perfectly know what was on the card. So Omni magazine went to China and wrote an article on this discovery. They found one child and then another. When they went in 1984 they assumed it was a hoax so they did experiments like putting 100 kids in a room and taking a book and randomly pulling out a page. They would crumple it up and stick it under their arm. These kids could read every word on the page they did test after test, and the response was flawless. The phenomena didn't stop there. These kids are not just in China. They have spread all over the world. I personally have been talking to parents who ask me, ."..what do we do.. I have a kid who knows everything?" I believe Lee Carroll is calling the children being born here in the U.S. "the Indigo Children." I personally think the two groups are coming from the same source, however, I don't know that for sure. There appear to be two separate groups, incredibly psychic and amazing. It is the third group that I am most interested in--the "Children of AIDS." About 10 or 11 years ago in the US, there was a baby born with AIDS. They tested him at birth and at 6 months and he tested positive for AIDS. They tested him a year later and he still tested positive. Then they didn't test him again until he was 6, and what was amazing is that this test showed that he was completely AIDS free! In fact, there was no trace that he ever had AIDS or HIV whatsoever! He was taken to UCLA to see what was going on and those tests showed that he didn't have normal human DNA. In the human DNA we have 4 nucleic acids that combine in sets of 3 producing 64 different patterns that are called codons. Human DNA all over the world always has 20 of these codons turned on and the rest of them are turned off, except for 3 which are the stop and start codes, much like a computer. Science always assumed that the ones that were turned off were old programs from our past. I've always seen them like application programs in a computer. Anyway...this boy had 24 codons turned on--4 more than any other human being. Then they tested this kids to see how strong his immune system was. They took a very lethal dose of AIDS in a petri dish and mixed it with some of his cells and his cells remained completely unaffected. They kept raising the lethalness of the composition and finally went up to 3,000 times more than what was necessary to infect a human being and his cells stayed completely disease free. Then they started testing his blood with other things like cancer and discovered that this kid was immune to everything! Then they found another kid with these codons turned on--then another one then another one--then 10,000, then 100,000, then a million of them and at this point, UCLA, by watching world-wide DNA testing, estimates that 1% of the world has this new DNA. That breaks down to approximately 60 million people who are not human by the old criteria. Diane: Is this new codon activation found only in newborn children? Drunvalo: Well, it's mostly children, but now they are finding adults with it too--just like the hundredth monkey theory. Now all kinds of people are being affected by it and it's spreading fast. Remember, it started just 5 years ago with almost no one and now it's spreading--just like a disease. It's like an outbreak and this is only the beginning. The other part of this concerns the new book entitled "Cracking the Bible Code"--which has to do with running the Hebrew Books of the Bible through a specialized computer program. If20you go to page 164 of this book, it shows where these researchers put the word 'AIDS' into the program to see what would happen. when they did, the program translation provided words like "HIV," "in the blood," "the immune system," "death"--all the things you would think you'd see around the word AIDS, but down in the corner was this sentence that they didn't understand and it said--"the end of disease," and that is what I believe is happening here. "Science has stated that there are so many people showing up with this new alien DNA that they now believe that a new human race is being born on the earth today and apparently they can't get sick." Now what is really incredible--they believe that it is a very specific emotional, mental body response--a waveform coming off the body that is causing the DNA to mutate in a certain way. I've sat with Gregg Braden who was one of the first persons to write about this and what we believe is that there are 3 parts to this phenomenon. "The first part is the mind that sees Unity." It sees the Flower of Life. It sees everything interconnected in all ways. It doesn't see anything as separate. And the "second part is being centered in the heart--to be Loving. " And the "third thing is to step out of polarity--to no longer judge the world." As long as we are judging the world as good or bad, then we are inside polarity and remain in the fallen state. I believe these people (with the new DNA) have somehow stepped out of judging and are in a state where they see everything as one and feeling Love. Whatever they are doing within themselves is producing a waveform that when seen on computer screens looks almost identical to the DNA molecule. So the researchers think that by the very expression of their life that these people are mapping with the DNA--resonating it--and are changing these 4 codons, and in so doing become immune to the disease. What they don't know and this is where a lot of research gets to happen is so maybe they are immune, but is there anything else? They might be immortal, who knows. Maybe there are other characteristics that we haven't even dreamed of. I often wonder if they are all linked together?Is there some form of telepathic connection that goes on? Diane: Have you met any of these people? Are they accessible? Drunvalo: Well, I've known about this for over two years and I have personally followed this path and I think I've moved into what they are doing. I have gone into the merkabah and asked my subconscious mind to change my codons in the same way and ever since I began to do this over two years ago, I haven't been able to get sick. I don't know if I've been able to change them or not. I guess the only way I'd know is with a DNA test. However, I've been exposed to all kinds of things and when someone gets sick I purposely get close to them and try to get it. I've been trying to get sick--and I can't. I feel something come on--it will last maybe an hour and then it's gone. What is interesting is that hardly any of this new DNA is found in the Super Psychic Children of China--almost zero. It is, however, being found in Russia and the U.S. There seem to be pockets of it and if what we are thinking is right--it has to do with a very specific response which is where most people in the New Age are headed for. Diane: Do you think these people are creating the DNA changes unconsciously? Drunvalo: I think someone has made the path--one child did it somewhere.Then he put it into the grids and it is now in the subconscious of the earth and is accessible to anyone. Once that happened I think somehow or another other people have connected to this on a subconscious level in deep meditation and prayer and made the change. A new race is being born and it is one of the most remarkable phenomena to have occurred on the planet! It's incredible that no one seems to know about this until now! Diane: Well, you are the only one I've ever heard speak about this. Drunvalo: Well, I've been tracking this for about 2 years and I've waited to say anything because I wanted to make sure it was real. In the book called "The Indigo Children" there has been extensive research on these children. There are websites you can go to if you're a parent where they begin to interview you about exactly what's going on with your child. Like I said earlier, these kids know exactly what you're feeling and what you're thinking. You can't hide anything from them. It's really amazing! I see it as a phenomenon like the ETs except they aren't coming here in spaceship form--they are coming here in spirit form making it personal by coming into the earth's evolutionary cycle and joining with us. I've often thought that when spirits come in on the right side of the planet--Japan, China, and Tibet for instance, the incarnating being takes on the psychic characteristics (of those people), and if they come in on the western side--the logical side (i.e., physical characteristics)--then the DNA comes in changed. But that's just speculation on my part. I'm just looking at this and trying to nderstand what is occurring. At the workshops I'm going to do, I'm going to bring everything I've learned together and teach people to actually access this and make the change. I think I know--or I'm very close. Diane: And that has to do with putting yourself in a certain state of consciousness? Drunvalo: Yes, a very specific state of consciousness produces a change in your DNA--and I think it's just the beginning of much more than that. The fact that it could be the end of disease is just a tiny bit of the total picture. Diane: How would this particular kind of work and discovery affect the DNA activation work that seems to be popping up all over? Drunvalo: Well, if you know your light body and you know how psychic energy works and if you understand the connection of the subconscious to all life on this planet, then you can go in and ask your subconscious. "Your subconscious knows exactly which codons those kids have changed and if you ask for those things to happen through your light body and in the presence of God," it should occur. "It also requires dropping polarity--no longer thinking in terms of good or bad but seeing the wholeness and completion and perfection of life." It is a very definite mind, emotional and body response. The body response is the one where your body simply does not acknowledge good or bad but sees that there is a higher purpose behind it all. We all know this stuff--everyone from Jesus to Krishna to Sai Baba has been talking about this for a long time, but this is the first I'm aware of where something actually is changing in the outer environment. People's DNA is really changing. There have been many of us who have talked about this--but none of this had been seen by science. Now it has been seen, and it has been documented. Diane: So, if that's the case, then what significance does that have on our lives today? Drunvalo: I believe that all of us have the choice to follow this particular pattern that the children have set up or not. It is said that "the children will lead the way." If we wish to and we trust these children, as I do, one of the side effects is the immunity to disease. Diane: There are a lot of us who are choosing immortality. However, some people would say that to be immune to disease is also to upset the life/death cycle which has supposedly helped to keep the planet in balance. How would you answer that? Drunvalo: Well, I just don't judge it. This is happening and if it is going to upset the cycle and it probably will in some way--everything that is occurring in life has a reason and purpose for it. Perhaps these people who don't get sick anymore--perhaps they won't even die anymore and maybe their consciousness is so aligned with the original purpose of earth that ultimately it would mean an earth that is whole and complete and not one that is polluted and deadly and overtaxed. We could easily live with 6 billion people or 20 billion...if...we live differently. There is plenty of space, and it's just that we are using our resources in ways that are killing the planet. If we were to choose to live in different ways, that might change. Maybe through these people the answers might become apparent. For someone to move into a state where they are immune to disease is a very powerful indication that they are definitely in harmony with life somehow. We can equate this process with the mutation of bacteria and viruses. We attack their systems with pollutants such as penicillin for instance, and it kills them all except for a few. Those few get stronger. Now what's happening is that these bacteria are getting to the place where they are immune to the poisons we are giving them. And have we not done the same thing? We are mutating to a point where we are not affected by pollution or viruses or by disease. And you know, there is another thing that happened last year--AIDS dropped something like 47%--the largest drop of a single disease in the history of the world. I believe that it had a lot to do with this very thing we are talking about. Diane: That's exciting! Drunvalo: Yes, it is. I just let the earth prompt me where to go. Of course, it is important to know our light bodies and how to use them, but the children are very carefully saying--come this way--and see where this leads. Diane: So is this what your future workshops will be focused on? Drunvalo: Yes. I will be putting everything I've learned in the last two years from my research and the Earth/Sky work, into a simple response where anyone can move into the place that the children accessed. I'll do my best! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Wed May 6 12:15:35 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:15:35 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Give me your toxic ... Utah takes N-waste from states with their own dumps Message-ID: <009601c9ce76$b1bbd6b0$15338410$@net> Despite the news that N-toxic waste dumped in the Columbia River basin and on Indian land is now leaking out and threatening to make the whole area uninhabitable, here we read more about how N-waste is being handled irresponsibly. Yet irrespective of this information, there is a push on to build more nuclear power plants. >From where I sit there appears to be a question as to whether there really is any 'safe' place to dump nuclear waste. As we go crazy with technology in order to avoid doing manual labor, there seems little concern as to how we are poisoning our life support system in ways that may be irreversible. We have nuclear waste, D.U. dust, chemtrails, toxic soil from fertilizers and herbicides which run off into the ocean causing now 146 dead zones there. ETD for the ocean is approximately 10 years -- when it is gone, we are outta here. Then we have the toxins in the food we eat, radio-active waves from ovens, cell phones, wifi set ups, -- you name it we are doing this -- Could anyone have designed a better plan for the human family to commit mass suicide? and can we stop it in time? Isn't it time we told the banker/capitalists to go fuck themselves instead of us with their debt-money system which drives all of our social systems and forces us to act the way we do? If you never read anything else, please read: "GAIAN DEMOCRACIES" learn how this is accomplished legally. And how The Constitution supports it. We can turn this around, but it's going to take ALL OF US DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE. m r -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:34 AM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Give me your toxic ... Utah takes N-waste from states with their own dumps (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12300165 Give me your toxic ... Utah takes N-waste from states with their own dumps By Brock Vergakis The Associated Press Updated: 05/05/2009 03:27:44 PM MDT Despite having a radioactive waste dump of their own, three states have shipped millions of cubic feet of waste across the country this decade to a private facility in Utah that's the only one available to 36 other states, an AP analysis of U.S. Department of Energy records shows. The cross-country shipments are stoking concerns that waste from Connecticut, New Jersey and South Carolina is taking up needed space in Utah, unnecessarily creating potential shipping hazards and undermining congressional intent for states to dispose of their own waste on a regional basis. "It's clear that the low-level waste system in this country is broken when there are states with their own dump sites sending tons of radioactive garbage across the country for disposal in Utah," said Vanessa Pierce, executive director of the nuclear waste watchdog group Healthy Environment Alliance of Utah. "The compact system, which was supposed to protect states from becoming the country's dumping ground, has been totally derailed." The 3.6 million cubic feet of Class A waste disposed of at EnergySolutions Inc.'s, www.energysolutions.com, Utah facility by Connecticut, New Jersey and South Carolina is more than 50 times greater than the amount of Class A waste they disposed of at their own site near Barnwell, S.C., since their compact was formed in 2000. It also represents more than 13 percent of the Class A waste Advertisement volume disposed of in Utah in the same period, according to Department of Energy records. Low-level radioactive waste is created during the decommissioning of nuclear power plants and is also produced at hospitals and research labs. Congress intended for states to band together to dispose of the waste they generated when it created what are known as regional compacts. The compact system was adopted in the 1980s after South Carolina, Washington state and Nevada complained they were becoming national dumping grounds for nuclear waste. While waste is created around the country, only three states -- South Carolina, Utah and Washington -- currently have disposal sites because of the expensive nature of creating facilities and public opposition to hosting them. But since then, no new compact facilities have opened, and the Nevada site has closed. The Hanford site near Richland, Wash., has been closed to all but 11 Western states, and South Carolina hasn't accepted waste from outside its three-state Atlantic Compact of South Carolina, New Jersey and Connecticut, www.atlanticcompact.org, since July. "South Carolina has yet to decommission its nuclear reactors. And that's some time off, but there is enough [capacity] for the member states' anticipated needs," said Atlantic Compact chairman Benjamin Johnson. In March 2007, Johnson wrote there was 1.2 million cubic feet of capacity remaining. Between then and May of this year, Atlantic Compact states disposed of more than 300,000 cubic feet of Class A waste in the Utah desert, about 70 miles west of Salt Lake City. The Barnwell site accepted 12,000 cubic feet in that same time, including more dangerous Class B and C waste, which isn't allowed in Utah. EnergySolutions officials say the Utah facility has reached about 46 percent of its capacity, although the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, www.nrc.gov, says it probably won't be full for decades. Still, Rep. Jim Matheson, D-Utah, is concerned enough about the site's capacity that he's introduced a bill in Congress prohibiting the importation of foreign radioactive waste, saying space for domestic waste needs to be preserved. He's also said he is worried about the "inherent transportation dangers to the public and to the environment from radioactive waste shipments through our state," although spills are rare. Environmental groups are more blunt. "At any point there could be ... routine exposure along the way, there could be accidents, fires or just other kinds of crashes," said Diane D'Arrigo, radioactive waste project director for the Takoma Park, Md.-based Nuclear Information and Resource Service, which opposes nuclear energy. "The more nuclear shipping we have, the more accidents we're going to have." Pierce contends that by accepting waste from anyone who will ship it here, EnergySolutions is discouraging states from building their own sites. It's a charge the company denies. "We get waste from many different states -- that is correct. But no, we don't think we're doing anything that would dissuade other states from coming up with their own compact facilities," said EnergySolutions spokeswoman Jill Sigal. The Utah site is unique in that it was never intended to be a compact facility. The compact to which Utah belongs forbids its member states from sending their waste to Utah. Instead, the waste goes to the Hanford site near Richland, Wash., to keep it in business and affordable. "We want to protect the economic viability of the Richland facility while maintaining rates as low as possible for in-region generators," said Mike Garner, executive director of the Olympia, Wash.-based compact. However, no other compact prohibits waste from coming to Utah and state lawmakers here haven't placed any limits on where it can come from. "The in-region generators are free to ship their waste to Timbuktu if they want. They have no restrictions," said Max Batavia, executive director of the Columbia, S.C.-based Atlantic Compact,Batavia, said nuclear power plants, hospitals and universities probably choose to send their waste 2,000 miles to Utah because it's less expensive than using the facility in Barnwell, S.C., where rates are set by state officials and the site is managed by EnergySolutions subsidiary Chem-Nuclear at a set 29 percent profit margin. "The generators fully understand if they ship some of the waste to Utah, then the cost is incurred on B and C waste. There is no state appropriation -- nothing," Batavia said. "If they're not willing to pay for a break-even site operation ... then the choice is there. If they want to shut down, then we can shut down." With no rules prohibiting the exportation of waste out of the compact, it's possible that South Carolina, New Jersey and Connecticut could also soon begin shipping their Class B and C waste elsewhere too. Dallas-based Waste Control Specialists LLC has told the Nuclear Regulatory Commission it wants to accept waste at its west Texas facility from outside its compact, which includes Vermont. It is unclear when a newly formed commission will decide if waste from outside the compact, and from which states, will be allowed. From maryrose333 at att.net Wed May 6 14:19:21 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:19:21 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Muslim Demographics Message-ID: <00eb01c9ce87$f449e4c0$dcddae40$@net> if accurate, this information is mind blowing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU My comment on this is: "So what!" I am assuming that this video must have been funded by the Vatican. Can't help but wonder how many people realize that the Muslim way prohibits interest on loans, and thus may be more concerned with fairness in the best interests of all concerned. As well, most of us are coming into the knowing and awareness that "we are all one" and have moved beyond skin color, religious issues, and nation-state boundaries, as we move into a virtual world that knows no borders. More people are becoming aware that each of us plays our role in moving humanity forward regardless of how we appear on the surface, or what we do. Judge ye not. >From where I sit, knowing as to how information is moving so quickly, many people are getting on to the religious and white secular game" of "divide and conquer" and no longer care to play in this arena. It is getting to be well known that wars are profitable for the power structure and those who love divisive politics, but bad for the rest of us. In the woman led Blessed Unrest movement, people are moving onto pathways directed toward peace -- pathways which are constructed from a different value system than that constructed by the "dominator paradigm" supported for thousands of years by an "old boy's network" that dresses up in women's clothes and molests young boys of the parish. The web is revolutionizing the world and the priests of old better get accustom to it -- being Christian and white no longer buys favors. Color, whether black, brown, red, yellow, or grey (extra-terrestrial) is in. I spoke with someone in the communications/media industry yesterday who told me that his group no longer knows how to grab the attention of people 40 and younger. Social-networking and Twitter have moved them from the grasp of those still operating in the industrialized world of yesterday and put them beyond reach. TV, and radio are out - Twitter is in. E-mail and text are out - graphics are in. Get use to it. 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The oldest relic of human industry is a piece of hemp fabric (canvas) found in ancient Mesopotamia dating back to approximately 8000 B.C. The oldest surviving piece of paper was made over 2000 years ago in China and was also made from hemp fibre. In 2500 B.C. the pharaohs used hemp in the construction of the great pyramids. Hemp was so important in England in the 16th century that King Henry VIII passed a law in 1553 which fined farmers who failed to grow at least one quarter acre of hemp for every 60 acres of arable land they owned. There was even a time in history for over 200 years when you could pay your taxes in America with hemp. In 1850 there were more than 8,300 hemp farms in the United States. Every 3.6 seconds someone in the world dies of hunger. Hemp seeds are the most nutritious and economical solution to end world hunger. With an 80 percent concentration of "good fats" our bodies need for good health maintenance and protein with all eight amino acids plus optimum dietary fibre, hemp truly is a "perfect balance" food source. Health Benefits of Hemp Seed >> Click here and keep reading: http://www.world-mysteries.com/marijuana1.htm FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Wed May 6 23:53:08 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:53:08 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Who Will Stop the AIPAC Jews Before it is Too Late? Message-ID: <002101c9ced8$1c64ddc0$552e9940$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:21 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Who Will Stop the AIPAC Jews Before it is Too Late? (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/06-14 Published on Wednesday, May 6, 2009 by CommonDreams.org Who Will Stop the AIPAC Jews Before it is Too Late? by Medea Benjamin While I was being tackled by security guards at Washington's Convention Center during the AIPAC conference for unfurling a banner that asked "What about Gaza?," my heart was aching. I wasn't bothered so much by the burly guards who were yanking my arms behind by back and dragging me-along with 5 other CODEPINK members-out of the hall. They were doing their job. What made my heart ache was the hatred I felt from the AIPAC staff who tore up the banner and slammed their hands across my mouth as I tried to yell out: "What about Gaza? What about the children?" "Shut the f--- up. Shut the f--- up." one staffer yelled, red-faced and sweating as he ran beside me. "This is not the place to be saying that shit. Get the f--- out of here." What makes my heart ache is thinking about the traumatized children I met on my recent trip to Gaza, and how their suffering is denied by the 6,000 AIPAC conventioneers who are living in a bubble-a bubble where Israel is the victim and all critics are anti-Semitic, terrorist lovers or, as in my case, self-hating Jews. I found it fascinating that AIPAC's executive director Howard Kohr opened the conference admitting that there was now a huge, international campaign against the policies of Israel. He painted a picture of 30,000 people marching in Spain, Italian trade unionists calling for a boycott of Israeli products, the UN Human Rights Council passing 26 resolutions condemning Israel, an Israeli Apartheid Week that is building a global boycott, divestment and sanctions campaign. This global movement, he warned, emanates from the Middle East, echoes in the halls of the United Nations and the capitals of Europe, is voiced in meetings of international peace organizations, and is spreading throughout the United States-from the media to town hall meetings, from campuses to city squares. "No longer is this campaign confined to the ravings of the political far left or far right," he lamented, "but increasingly it is entering the American mainstream." But Kohr failed to explain why there has been such an explosion in this movement, even among the American Jewish community. He didn't tell the attendees that the world was shocked and outraged by Israel's devastating 22-day attack on Gaza that left over 1,300 people dead-mostly women and children. He didn't mention the killing of civilians fleeing their homes, the use of white phosphorous, the bombing of homes, schools, mosques, hospitals, UN buildings, factories. He didn't talk about the continuing, cruel blockade of the Gaza Strip that is keeping desperately needed humanitarian aid from reaching 1.5 million people and making rebuilding impossible. There were no seminars at the conference by human rights groups like Amnesty International that are calling for an immediate and comprehensive suspension of arms to Israel. Instead, one after another, U.S. elected officials eager to curry favor with AIPAC pledged continued U.S. financial support for Israel. Senator Kerry, despite that fact that he was one of only a handful of legislators who visited Gaza, didn't say one word about the massive destruction he witnessed and pledged that as Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he would do everything to ensure that the $30 billion in military aid to Israel is "delivered in full." "America will continue our military aid, and Israel will keep its military strength," he insisted. Instead of calling for talks with the democratically elected government of Hamas, Kerry said: "Hamas has already won one election-we cannot allow them to win another." He ended his speech shouting several times in Hebrew, "Am Yisrael Chai- Israel lives!" Even Vice President Biden, who at least told AIPAC that Israel should freeze new settlement activity, didn't say a word about the ongoing humanitarian crisis caused by Israel's invasion and continued blockade of Gaza. No U.S. officials, and there were hundreds at the conference, dared echo the call of the United Nations or the world community to lift the siege of Gaza. Republican Congressman Eric Cantor was one of the most emotional speakers, portraying Israel as the victim of an evil global movement determined to wipe out Israel and all Jews. Evoking the "shivering, naked victims who were herded into the gas chambers," he wondered when it would become too late to protect Israel. "When is it too late?", he repeated over and over. I wonder the same thing. When is it too late, I wonder, to stop Israel from destroying itself? When is it too late to tell AIPAC attendees that more violence and hatred is not the answer? When is it too late to open the hardened hearts of my people, once victims of a terrible holocaust, to realize that by occupying Palestine we have become they evil we deplore? When is it too late to restore meaning to the Hebrew term "tikkun olam" by truly working to heal the world? When is it too late for the Jews of the world to weep for the children of Gaza, recognizing that they, too, are the children of God? I couldn't ask my questions at AIPAC. My mouth was muzzled by the sweaty hands of hate-filled staffers demanding that I "shut the f--- up." But despite AIPAC's massive funds and influence, I feel certain that more and more members of the Jewish community will step forward and refuse to be silent. I just pray it is not too late. For information on upcoming delegations to Gaza, see www.codepinkalert.org/gaza. Medea Benjamin (medea at globalexchange.org) is cofounder of Global Exchange (www.globalexchange.org) and CODEPINK: Women for Peace (www.codepinkalert.org). From dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 7 05:32:01 2009 From: dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk (robert searle) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:32:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GJM] John Bunzl Interview. Message-ID: <74790.70658.qm@web27405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> ? Maybe of interest. ? ? ??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnrYIIVE4EQ&feature=channel_page ? ? Robert Searle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Thu May 7 22:09:27 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:09:27 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: "Web of Debt": The Inner Workings of the Monetary System Message-ID: <001801c9cf92$cb1362f0$613a28d0$@net> This is one of the best articles I have seen on how the monetary system really works and its history. Thank you Loren for getting this information to us. As long as this system is in effect, a president's hands are really tied and he is virtually held hostage by the bankers. m r From: lawrence kiely [mailto:topdownyoga at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:36 PM To: lawrence kiely Subject: "Web of Debt": The Inner Workings of the Monetary System "Web of Debt": The Inner Workings of the Monetary System http://www.infowars.com/web-of-debt-the-inner-workings-of-the-monetary-syste m/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Fri May 8 20:29:03 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:29:03 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] From the ashes, a new capitalism Message-ID: <005701c9d04d$ee81c130$cb854390$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:51 AM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] From the ashes, a new capitalism (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090507.wcoash08/BNStory /specialComment/America/ >From the ashes, a new capitalism May 8, 2009 at 12:00 AM EDT What do we want to see emerge from the greatest crisis of capitalism in 70 years? If I had to answer in a single phrase, I would say: new models for a sustainable social market economy. This would require us, as well as our states, to change. Capitalism will not end in 2009 as communism ended in 1989. It is too deep-rooted, too diverse and too adaptable to suffer such a sudden death. There are far more varieties of capitalism in the world today than there ever were of communism, and that diversity is one of its strengths. The rainbow reaches from wild west to wild east and extends to major national variants of a market economy, such as China's, that purists would say are not capitalism at all. So some versions of capitalism will weather the storm; others will be left in ruins or at least substantially transformed. An extreme "neo-liberal" version of the free-market economy, characterized not just by far-reaching deregulation and privatization but also by a Gordon Gekko greed-is-good ethos - and fully realized in practice only in some areas of Anglo-Saxon and post-communist economies - seems likely to find itself in the latter category. But how about a modernized, reformed version of what postwar German thinkers called the social market economy? Definitely still a free-market economy, this model nonetheless calls for the state to provide a strong legal and regulatory framework for private enterprise, for the involvement of stakeholders as well as shareholders, an attempt to balance long- and short-term considerations in economic decision-making, a national commitment to a social minimum for all citizens and a healthy moral ethos among those involved in business activity. This then needs to be combined with the 21st-century demands for ecological sustainability, in the face of climate change, and ethical sustainability, in the face of global poverty. A tall order, to be sure. There is also a question about the balance between the national and the international levels of regulation and governance. Mervyn King, the governor of the Bank of England, has observed that today's big private banks are global in life but national in death. When it comes to the bailout, it's the national government most directly concerned that takes the lead. And that means us, national taxpayers, picking up the bill. Yet all this talk of states and systems is only half the story. It was the conduct of individual human beings that led us into this mess and it is the behaviour of individuals, as well as the structuring of systems, that has to change. This is most flagrantly obvious in the case of bankers, but we should not kid ourselves that it stops with them. The conduct of the bankers who pitched us into the slurry pit - not all bankers, of course, but quite a few of them - may not have been illegal, but it was selfish, irresponsible and immoral. Year after year, they took huge personal gains for themselves on the basis of assets whose real nature and prospects they either did not understand or cynically ignored. Their pay and bonuses, out of all proportion to the sums almost everyone else was earning in the societies around them, were justified as "performance-related," but "performance" was measured by inadequate indicators over too short a time frame. Remuneration at the top was based on competitive benchmarking against rivals, and big shots were heard to complain that it was "unfair" that someone else was earning ?5-million a year while they were earning only ?4-million. Then they were laughing all the way from the bank. "The City has been kind to me" was the very English euphemism for this baroque process of self-enrichment. Not for the first time, novelists (such as Tom Wolfe) and filmmakers (such as Oliver Stone with his Wall Street, featuring Gordon Gekko) were ahead of economists and political scientists in identifying the disorder. The classic justification for capitalists making large sums of money is the risk they take, but in this case they did not even take the risk. We did. When the bubble burst, we, the taxpayers, were left to pick up the bill - and we and our children will be paying it for decades to come. Near where I live in Oxford, vast Victorian mansions have been lavishly restored to single-owner occupancy, with no expense spared. A year ago, I contemplated these mansions with wry amazement, but I naively assumed that their new owners had, in some real sense, earned their neo-aristocratic lifestyles. Now, I look at them with something close to anger. Yet we can't blame them for it all. Every ordinary Brit or American who spent money he or she did not have, encouraged by soaring house prices, lax mortgage lending and seductive advertising, bears a share of the responsibility. So, oddly enough, do the super-frugal Chinese, whose massive savings were recycled to allow - even indirectly to encourage - Western profligacy. More than 30 years ago, American sociologist Daniel Bell explored in his Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism the paradox that the dynamism of capitalism depends on individuals living by somewhat different values in their personal lives as producer and as consumer. Extending Max Weber's famous argument about the Protestant ethic and the spirit of capitalism, he suggested that the production side depends on people harking to values such as hard work, punctuality, discipline and a readiness to accept deferred gratification. The demand side, by contrast, depends on their being self-indulgent, expansive, pleasure-seeking and given to living in the now. Add to this the new constraint that the planet will not sustain more than six billion people enjoying constantly rising living standards achieved by the methods of production and consumption used so far. Complicate matters further by the moral argument that the world's rich have no right to deny the world's poor a materially better life, which would still be a small fraction of the affluence we ourselves enjoy. What you end up with is not just a systemic conundrum, but also a personal challenge to every one of us. The challenge is to find a new balance in our double lives as producers and consumers, while consciously contributing to a larger set of new international balances between economy and environment, oversaving east and overspending west, rich north and poor south. That, too, is what I mean by a sustainable social market economy. Timothy Garton Ash is senior fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution and professor of European studies at Oxford University. From maryrose333 at att.net Fri May 8 20:49:11 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:49:11 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Change doesn't come easy... Message-ID: <005e01c9d050$be729070$3b57b150$@net> Thanks, Deki. I like the George Bernard Shaw quote From: DekiFox at aol.com [mailto:DekiFox at aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:08 AM To: DekiFox at aol.com Subject: Change doesn't come easy... The lawyer, the limo, and a couple of poor guys One afternoon a lawyer was riding in his limousine when he saw two men along the roadside eating grass. Disturbed, he ordered his driver to stop and he got out to investigate. He asked one man, "Why are you eating grass?" "We don't have any money for food," the poor man replied. "We have to eat grass." "Well, then, you can come with me to my house and I'll feed you," the lawyer said. "But sir, I have a wife and two children with me. They are over there, under that tree." "Bring them along," the lawyer replied. Turning to the other poor man he stated, "You come with us, also." The second man, in a pitiful voice, then said, "But sir, I also have a wife and SIX children with me!" "Bring them all, as well," the lawyer answered. They all entered the car, which was no easy task, even for a car as large as the limousine was. Once underway, one of the poor fellows turned to the lawyer and said, "Sir, you are too kind." "Thank you for taking all of us with you." The lawyer replied, "Glad to do it. "You'll really love my place. "The grass is almost a foot high" Deki Fox Lake Geneva, Wisconsin I am of the opinion that my life belongs to the whole community and as long as I live it is my privilege to do for it whatever I can. ~George Bernard Shaw _____ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Fri May 8 20:55:03 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:55:03 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: FW: "Web of Debt": The Inner Workings of the Monetary System Message-ID: <006301c9d051$905c8280$b1158780$@net> FYI -----Original Message----- From: Brock Moore [mailto:brock_moore at accountant.com] Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 1:54 PM To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net Subject: Re: [GJM] FW: "Web of Debt": The Inner Workings of the Monetary System "This is one of the best articles I have seen on how the monetary system really works and its history." ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ It is actually one of the worst articles I have seen on how the monetary system really works and its history. I won't dwell on Mr. Lendman's numerous grammatical and spelling errors, such as continually misspelling principal as the word pertains to finance with an "le" instead of the proper "al." Virtually every sentence in the article contains a gross misstatement of fact. I'll criticize briefly only a few of them: "Brown's book explains that: "-- the Federal Reserve isn't federal; it's a private banking cartel owned by its major bank members in 12 Fed districts..." ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ As my source for the information in this reply I refer you to the article by Thomas Woodward of the Congressional Research Service Library of Congress, which is archived at http://www.geocities.com/new_economics/woodward-money_and_the_federal_reserv e_system.txt and to a faqs page from the Federal Reserve at http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm#5 The Federal Reserve Board is a federal agency and its employees are federal employees. The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks are not federal agencies but are not owned by anyone. They are special entities created by Congress. The fact that their "stock" is held by their member banks does not convey the meaning that the word would imply if the regional banks were private corporations. Every bank that is a member of the Federal Reserve regional bank holds stock in the regional bank that is proportional to its capital, but has just one vote toward electing directors of the regional bank, regardless of its size. If it were like stock in a private corporation, the vote would be proportional to the amount of stock held. The Federal Reserve Board appoints three directors of each regional bank, including the regional bank's chairman and vice-chairman. The stock is not marketable, but must be returned to the regional bank if it leaves the system. It is not stock in the ordinary meaning of the word. It does not convey rights of ownership but is rather like a membership card that is held as a condition of membership in the regional bank. Profit made by the regional bank is not distributed to the stockholders, who are paid a fixed six percent dividend. In this respect the regional bank stock is more like a bond than stock. But it is a bond that has no market value, inasmuch as it cannot be sold. - "-- since Andrew Jackson's presidency (1829 - 1837), the federal debt hasn't been paid, only the interest - to private bankers and other owners of US obligations..." ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ Every single security ever issued by the Treasury of the United States has been redeemed when due. This fact is almost unique among the nations of the world. - "-- the 16th Amendment authorized Congress to levy an income tax; it was done "to coerce (the public) to pay interest to the banks on the federal debt..." ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ This is just pure crank conspiracy theory. The amount that the Internal Revenue Service collects in taxes is more than twice the amount paid by the government for interest. - "Prior to the Fed's creation, the House of Morgan was dominant in contrast to the early colonists' model. Operating out of Philadelphia, the nation's first capital, it favored state-issued and loaned out money, collecting the interest, and "return(ing) it to the provincial government" in lieu of taxes. "Lincoln used the same system to finance the Civil War, after which he was assassinated and bankers reclaimed their money-issuing power." ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ No, it wasn't the same system. It was totally different. The Pennsylvania system was a government owned land bank, which loaned money into existence and was paid interest for the service. Lincoln's system was to spend Greenbacks into circulation. But it is somewhat inappropriate to call it a "system." The spending of Greenbacks constituted only 11% of federal government expenditure. It was an expedient to sustain the government during time of war. - Wall Street's "silent coup (was) the passage of the (1913) Federal Reserve Act," the most destructive ever congressional legislation, thereafter extracting a huge toll amounting to permanent debt bondage with national wealth transference from the public to private bankers - with most people none the wiser. ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ Nothing much changed with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act. Very much the same banking system that existed since the Civil War was continued. The National Bank Acts essentially prohibited the state banks from issuing currency. Each of the national banks issued banknotes that were standardized in form and appearance as national currency. With the Federal Reserve Act the issuing of currency became the monopoly of the regional federal reserve banks. The theorem that bank loans create bank deposits did not change with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act. - "Ever since, it's controlled the nation and public by entrapment in permanent debt bondage, and they do it through the Federal Reserve that's neither federal nor has reserves." ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ The Federal Reserve is both federal and has reserves, but the term reserves pertains more to the reserves it holds for its member banks. It is federal because the Federal Reserve Board is a federal agency, and its employees are federal employees. The entire system is federal because the Federal Reserve Board is the supervising agency. - "The US 'money supply is the federal debt and cannot exist without it. (To) keep money in the system, some major player has to incur substantial debt that never gets paid back; and this role is played by the federal government.'" ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ This overemphasizes the role of the federal government in the process. The theorem is that loans create deposits. Inasmuch as most transactions are conducted through the transfer of bank deposits, we call them "money." Loans are made to the government, but most loans are made to private parties, including businesses and households. - Let me comment on the supposed quotations from Benjamin Franklin that British monetary policy was the cause of the Revolution. These quotations were concoctions by the Greenbackers, many decades after Franklin's death. Franklin was a member of the Committee of Five, which drafted the Declaration of Independence. This supposed cause for the Revolution was not enumerated in the Declaration of Independence as a justification for the rebellion. - "Charging excessive interest is called "usury," but originally it meant charging anything for the use of money. The Christian Bible banned it..." ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ Actually, it is not banned in the Bible. - Lendman concludes his tirade with a notorious bogus quote from Lincoln: "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few and the Republic is destroyed." ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ "These words did not originate with Abraham Lincoln, however--they appear in none of his collected writings or speeches, and they did not surface until more than twenty years after his death (and were immediately denounced as a 'bold, unflushing forgery' by John Nicolay, Lincoln's private secretary.)" http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln.asp Brock Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: "mary rose" To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net, "FixGov at yahoogroups. com" Subject: [GJM] FW: "Web of Debt": The Inner Workings of the Monetary System Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:09:27 -0700 This is one of the best articles I have seen on how the monetarysystem really works and its history.? Thank you Loren for getting this information to us. As long as this system is in effect, a president’s handsare really tied and he is virtually held hostage by the bankers. m r ? From: lawrence kiely[mailto:topdownyoga at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:36 PM To: lawrence kiely Subject: “Web of Debt”: The Inner Workings of the MonetarySystem “Web ofDebt”: The Inner Workings of the Monetary System http://www.infowars.com/web-of-debt-the-inner-workings-of-the-monetary-syste m/ -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From maryrose333 at att.net Sat May 9 03:37:43 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 02:37:43 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Short Sales: Banks Blocking Way Out Of Foreclosure Crisis Message-ID: <001001c9d089$d091c1c0$71b54540$@net> We-the-people need to begin using our "People Power" - The answer here as I have said before, is for People to begin taking their money out of the big banks and put it into the small community banks and credit unions. And then set up community currencies which the smaller community banks may also honor. Without the People's money and business, the big banks are nothing. So, why are we continuing to do business with them -- why are we continuing to place our trust in them? They are the ones that got us into this mess. There are other viable options. We're going to have to work at this folks, in an organized and peaceful manner. WE need to be doing this, not sitting around asking the government to do it. Even if we had a system in place that works, which we don't, there is only so much government can do. And, in order to get ourselves into a place of independence, we need to be growing our own food, not depending upon someone else to do it for us. Food sovereignty is the cornerstone of freedom. So, let's get this cornerstone under our feet as well as get a local currency system going if there is not one already available in your community. WE need to be taking these steps in order to establish our freedom. Do it now. Tomorrow may be too late. -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:54 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Short Sales: Banks Blocking Way Out Of Foreclosure Crisis (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) Short Sales: Banks Blocking Way Out Of Foreclosure Crisis http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/08/short-sales-banks-blockin_n_199099. html 05/ 8/09 05:08 PM Brett Ellis, a real estate agent in Fort Myers, Fla., was thrilled when he got an offer for a property in Bell Tower Park in May 2008. "It was a gorgeous property on the corner lot," Ellis told the Huffington Post. The owner, who had lost his job, wanted to sell the apartment for a loss rather than go into foreclosure, a strategy known as a short sale. The offer was for $350,000, and Ellis, who is a certified distressed property expert trained in executing such sales, knew it was as good an offer as he was going to get in this market. He immediately sent the paperwork into the bank. He waited for four months. The bank finally told him it wouldn't take anything less than $400,000 -- a price Ellis was sure he could never get. In September, the buyer's agent called to say, "You know what, we gotta move on, we gotta buy something else." Now the property is sitting vacant as it slides into foreclosure. Its former owner's credit is destroyed, and the house is losing value every day. "God knows what the condition is today," Ellis said, adding he'd be surprised if the property is worth more than $290,000 when it resurfaces on the market. Add in the legal expenses involved in a foreclosure, and the bank cost itself a hundred thousand dollars more that it otherwise would have. It's a scenario that plays out constantly, everywhere in the United States. In a time of collapsing real estate values, where one in five homes are now under water, a short sale is increasingly the only option before foreclosure. It is less damaging to credit scores and spares the homeowner the shame of foreclosure. It is also a better option for banks: According to one analysis, short sales resulted in loan losses of only 19 percent, compared with an average loss of 40 percent on homes sold after foreclosure. So why aren't these sales more widely used? The broad answer is that the American financial system simply can't handle a collapse of this magnitude. The fates of the banking and real estate industries are intertwined. But they don't work together -- and the result is that they end up working against each other. Story continues below The more precise answer is related to securitization, the method by which banks bundle together different mortgages and slice them up and sell the pieces to various investors. Securitization makes negotiating a real estate sale that results in a loss nearly impossible. "The most significant aspect is that so many of the banks' mortgages have been securitized, put together and bundled, sold off to Iceland or China or some godforsaken place," said Dave Liniger, founder and chairman of global real estate company Re/Max, in an interview with the Huffington Post. "The bank has to go through all of the various people who are stakeholders and it becomes a very lengthy process, and the bank is turning off the realtors by not even getting answers back to them, sometimes for months." Banks have little incentive to untie those bundles. Since mortgages are listed on the banks' balance sheets at the value of the original loan, if they complete a short sale they must record a loss on their balance sheets. That would explain why banks drag the process out as long as possible. In Ellis' case, the property is sitting vacant a year after the first offer, allowing the bank to list the original value on its balance sheet all along. According to research firm Campbell Communications, only 23 percent of short sale transactions are actually completed. "Three out of four potential short sale transactions fail, principally because the mortgage servicer takes too long to respond to the offer," said Tom Popik, author of the survey. "When these same properties are later sold it further depresses real estate prices." Congress has had as much success untangling this mess as real estate agents. "We've been trying to figure out probably for close to two years now why so few mortgages are being modified when it seems to make absolute business sense for the person holding the mortgage to modify rather than foreclose or to take a smaller loss selling it rather than a bigger loss foreclosing on it," said Rep. Brad Miller (D-N.C.). Miller points his finger at securitization. Once the mortgages are bundled and sliced up into different pieces, known as tranches, the owners of the pieces get paid back according to a certain pecking order. Senior investors get paid back first and if there's a loss, the most junior investors won't get anything. It's those investors who are blocking short sales. "The people with the least senior tranches have no reason to agree to the modification because they take a complete loss and the people in the most senior tranches don't lose anything. So they've managed to structure their mortgages in a way that makes it almost impossible to modify or sell short," said Miller. Miller sponsored legislation to reform the bankruptcy code to allow judges to rewrite those contracts, taking away the ability of junior investors to sue and encouraging them to negotiate. But the House-approved measure died in the Senate, 51-45, killed last week by Republicans and 12 Democrats, leaving it 15 votes short of the 60 needed to overcome a filibuster. Dave Liniger of Re/Max said the provision would have changed the bargaining landscape. Lenders would have had much more of an incentive to take a loss on a short sale rather than see a judge unilaterally change the terms of a mortgage. "It was a negotiating ploy more than anything," Liniger said. "It's disappointing," said Financial Services Committee chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) of the banks' tendency to foreclose rather than agree to a sale. "I've heard that and I've been trying to press the banks not to do that." Without bankruptcy reform, the only power the government has is persuasion. "In the absence of bankruptcy [legislation], you're talking about contracts that we cannot abrogate," he told the Huffington Post. "That's why bankruptcy was so important." Is there any chance Congress will return to it? "Excuse me, what planet were you on last week? The vote was 45 to 51. Why would you ask that? Do I think there's a likelihood we could overturn 45-51? No," said Frank. "I wish it weren't the case," he added. "Maybe there's some kind of compromise." Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) isn't confident. "The purpose of the debate last week was to try to create some impetus for the banks to start renegotiating these mortgages in a positive way and the industry fought it," Durbin, who last week concluded banks "frankly own the place," told the Huffington Post. "I think many of the banks have not operated in good faith when it comes to this mortgage foreclosure issue." Homeowners are the big losers of the banks' battle against the bill. But real estate agents are now losing real money as commissions fall through, making them a potential lobbying counterweight to the banks. The National Association of Realtors wants the rules changed: "We are advocating measures that would help streamline the process when using FHA, Fannie or Freddie," said NAR spokeswoman Mary Trupo in a statement to the Huffington Post. "We are hoping that new process and regulations are put in place." Fannie Mae just wrapped up a pilot program to test a process for streamlining short sales by partnering with local listing providers in Arizona and Florida to pre-approve 400 properties for short sales. The government-backed mortgage firm is still evaluating feedback from brokers, but overall the program was a success, and a new short sale initiative is in the works for this year. "Short sales are one of the tools to avoid foreclosure if all other workout options are exhausted. It's always in the best interest of the homeowner, the community, and the investor to avoid foreclosure," said Fannie Mae spokeswoman Amy Bonitatibus in a statement to the Huffington Post. Liniger says Re/Max recently trained 5,000 employees in short sales. Lita Smith-Mines, a lawyer who specializes in real estate on Long Island, told the Huffington Post she and her colleagues often see short sales turn into foreclosures because the bank won't play along--even when losses are as small as $25,000 and the offer is as high as it will get. And much higher, in this market, than the bank will get from a foreclosure auction. The legal costs of foreclosure alone typically run to $50,000. "There's no common sense when it comes to lenders. They have their paperwork and if you don't slot perfectly in, they just say no," she said. "A lot was taken on the front end [during the housing boom], but they're not giving anything back on the back end," she said. Smith-Mines, though, said she isn't surprised. "If they actually cared about borrowers, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place." From maryrose333 at att.net Sat May 9 04:01:18 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 03:01:18 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Karzai urges US to stop strikes Message-ID: <001a01c9d08d$1c2a7340$547f59c0$@net> Are air strikes the only thing that should be "unacceptable"? In my book, "war" itself should be unacceptable. We need as a collective conscious to move into another level of consciousness -- a consciousness built on peace. Peace is a process - it is built on having abundance for everyone. The first step is to ensure that "everyone" is fed, has fresh water and sanitation. The next step then is shelter, and the way to ensure good health is through eating right and ensuring good nutrition. So, the first step is to begin to raise one's own food, and to do so without chemical fertilizers and pesticides. So, whether this is in pots on a patio, in the green areas of an apartment complex, a community garden, a private garden, a small farm, or a greenhouse -- begin now to take back your freedom. Raise a freedom garden. Do it today. The life you save may be your own. The next step is to refuse to earn your living by working in an industry that contributes to the war effort. This is not going to be easy, but ending war demands that you stop being part of the problem and be the solution. As Gandhi said: We must be the change we want to see in our lives. Think about it. -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:47 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Karzai urges US to stop strikes (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) Karzai urges US to stop strikes updated at 22:50 GMT, Friday, 8 May 2009 23:50 UK http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8041294.stm President Karzai says civilian casualties undermine the fight against insurgents Afghan President Hamid Karzai has called on the US to halt air strikes in his country, following an attack that reportedly killed scores of civilians. Mr Karzai, who is in Washington, told CNN air strikes were "not acceptable". Afghan officials say more than 100 civilians died when US jets attacked targets in the western Farah province. The incident overshadowed a summit on Wednesday between the President Barack Obama, Mr Karzai, and his Pakistani counterpart Asif Ali Zardari. "We demand an end to these operations... an end to air strikes," Mr Karzai told CNN. He said the deaths were "definitely" the result of US air strikes and not Taleban militants, as some US military officials had suggested. Rubble of destroyed village in Farah province Afghan and US officials are investigating how many civilians died "We believe strongly that air strikes are not an effective way of fighting terrorism, that air strikes rather cause civilian casualties and does not do good for the US, does not do good for Afghanistan," he said. US military and Afghan officials are investigating the attacks and trying to ascertain how many of those killed were insurgents. The US says the Afghan estimate is "grossly exaggerated" but has not released its own figures. At their summit in Washington, the US, Afghan and Pakistani presidents discussed their joint operation against al-Qaeda and the Taleban. Pakistani forces are currently engaged in fierce fighting with Taleban insurgents in the north-west of the country. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she "deeply, deeply" regretted the deaths, adding that the US would work hard to avoid such "loss of innocent life". From maryrose333 at att.net Sat May 9 19:19:42 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 18:19:42 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Obama administration plans mass fall vaccination Message-ID: <003001c9d10d$68c54ab0$3a4fe010$@net> What I feel is not quite right in this scenario is Alex Jones. But I also do not believe that President Obama is immediately going to buy into what Deepak Chopra and Gregg Braden are revealing to him. Not because it isn't true, but because it is so overwhelming - It is finding out that almost everything we have ever been taught to believe is false. As written previously, the evolution we are undergoing is greater than that of any other, whether it be that of Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Bacon, Descartes, Newton or others. But award-winning cellular biologist Bruce Lipton is part of this team, and biology doesn't lie. Getting his book: "The Biology of Belief - The Science of How Thoughts Control Life" is a good place to start before advancing into the work of Braden and Laszlo and trying to understand everything. And what we need to do is to keep disseminating the truth about vaccines. Remembering also that Barack Obama's actions are mainly controlled by the bankers. Very little of what he does, other than order Dijon Mustard, is permitted by the powers that be. Thanks Loren From: lawrence kiely [mailto:topdownyoga at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:09 PM To: lawrence kiely Subject: Obama administration plans mass fall vaccination After all the hoopala about Obama requesting from Deepok Chopra, Greg Braden, et al, to present to him the very latest, crest of the wave information concerning the direction we need to move as a species ... he endorses this!? ... Something is not quite right in this scenario http://www.infowars.com/obamas-fall-flu-shot/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sun May 10 10:59:32 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:59:32 -0700 Subject: [GJM] The End of Global Warming Message-ID: <002d01c9d190$b39f7f00$1ade7d00$@net> I always write "global climate change". But this article demonstrates how pervasive are those adept at creating "media spin" in order to obfuscate reality and turn it into propaganda. We have seen so much of this as Republicans have used this ploy in their attempt to defame President Obama and regain their control of the White House. However, the biggest spin of all was that put on issues related to the U.S. entering into the war in Iraq. And let us not forget how so many of us bought into planes hitting the World Trade Center and Pentagon as being the cause of their collapse when scientific studies conducted by qualified physicists show a different scenario. http://www.examiner.com/x-219-Denver-Weather-Examiner~y2009m5d5-The-end-of-g lobal-warming FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sun May 10 11:48:25 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:48:25 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: The "O" Song -- you will love it!!!! Now this is FUNNY!!! Message-ID: <005201c9d197$87fc5e20$97f51a60$@net> From: Nance ~ [mailto:planetnews8 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:48 PM Subject: The "O" Song -- you will love it!!!! Now this is FUNNY!!! Thanks to Nance for sending this along. What I am so much feeling is that when we all "get it" that it is not Obama or any other President that pulls the strings but the bankers, whether it be in a Democratic or Republican Administration, the better off we are going to be. Divide and keep divided in order to conquer is the rule of the game. That the Truth Will Set Us Free is a truism is one thing -- discerning what is the truth is another. . Just this week, some of us at Future Dawning took the first steps in setting up a movement called "The Crystal Clearwater Alliance" in order to bring together people seriously committed to "finding truth and reporting it," to create a multi-media resource center Initially, this Portal and Pathway on www.FutureDawning.org, is a "by invitation only" campus until we can develop it as a fully functioning media center. But, I invite anyone wanting to take part in this effort to please let me know so I can issue an invitation. With love and appreciation mary rose . Enjoy...only 3 minutes. BOB&TOM TV: "Obama Man" by Greg Morton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhhkF3dqXR0 &feature=player_embedded -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Both the media and those holding office under our present outdated system of governance through politics, have proven over and over again that the information provided via this system is not valid. We must redesign these systems in order to rid them of the pollution that has accumulated over the centuries of misuse that has taken place under the "dominator paradigm" of which religion is but one facet. But one which has wielded extensive influence and power. The internet has now brought us to a place whereby the average citizen has as much access to information as does the old boy's network (read priesthood + aristocracy) and as we pass into "the Age of Knowledge" are fast learning how to apply it. From: GeorgeCSDS at aol.com [mailto:GeorgeCSDS at aol.com] Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:10 PM To: maryrose333 at att.net Subject: Re: FW: Mars hi, mary, this is an urban legend and been around since 2003, i'm told. it sure would have been great! best, Rob In a message dated 5/6/09 8:22:22 AM, maryrose333 at att.net writes: Spectacular!!! Thanks Lawrence From: lawrence kiely [mailto:topdownyoga at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:49 AM To: dianedeterra at aol.com Subject: Mars An extraordinary document From: Willard Van De Bogart Mars ************** Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sun May 10 13:46:43 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:46:43 -0700 Subject: [GJM] More on: The End of Global Warming Message-ID: <001701c9d1a8$0f2d55b0$2d880110$@net> From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:48 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: The End of Global Warming Planes did hit both World Trade Center buildings. I would be surprised if huge airliners full of aviation fuel would NOT cause the buildings to collapse. Alex Jones is a total, and dangerous fraud. A few crackpot physicists and their theories have not prevailed. Climate change skeptic physicists don't prevail either. Tim Tim, thanks for your comments. I agree with you re: Alex Jones at present, but I also have to note from my perspective that Jones played a useful role in exposing the antics of the Bush cabal while Bush was in office. So, am wondering what has changed to bring Jones more on the side of Rush Limbaugh today? Ownership of Fox News perhaps? However, it is not just Alex Jones who has reported that planes loaded with fuel could not have been the cause of the Trade Center buildings collapse, but many physicists like BYU Professor Stephen Jones who was placed on paid administrative leave for questioning the cause of the Trade Center Building collapse. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148 &sid=476951 Or, of well- recognized theologian David Ray Griffin, who initially scoffing at the idea, turned supporter of the 9-11 alternative investigation when looking at, and seriously considering the findings of the professionals involved in the unauthorized investigation. Griffin is the Editor of New York State University "SUNY Series in Constructive Post-Modern Thought" whose Introduction to this series appears in Dr. Jay Earley's book: "Transforming Human Culture: Social Evolution and the Planetary Crisis" Dr. Griffin is seriously involved in the study of human consciousness, and not someone who could be termed: "a crackpot" by any stretch of the imagination. There have also been quite a few respected former military officers who have come forward as supporters of the alternative 9-11 investigation. And as well some of the firefighters involved at the scene. Please Google for this information. Soon after this event occurred, I was invited to a meeting called by the sister of a fireman who had lost his life there. She and her finance had been flown to New York with many other relatives of those losing their lives. My own intuitive thoughts at the time were that this was an "inside job" even prior to any news releases. And, at this meeting, my thoughts were further reinforced by the feelings of this woman and her finance after having been in New York and at the scene. One of the leading questions re: this event is as to why all of the residue left by the collapse of the buildings was gathered up and taken out of the country where it could not be scientifically examined for explosive residue by third party experts. Also providing substantial evidence for the 911 conspiracy theory is Fred Burks, a former translator for President George W. Bush. Fred resigned his position and began to speak out in the form of his "Want to Know" series. More on Fred Burks may be found on Fred's website as well as more about the alternative 911 investigation as revealed by Burks : www.wanttoknow.info/aboutus Burks resignation was also reported by the Washington Post www.wanttoknow.info/fredburksresigns Fred was a member of the Co-learner's list for quite awhile before putting up his current website. And in our early years we were to learn quite a bit from the inside information provided by Fred. With regard to global climate change, what appears to me anyway, is that scientists as yet do not have enough information upon which to base definitive answers as to what is going to take place. I am, in particular, reminded of the incident where an enormous hunk of ice was studied by scientists and determined to be something that would remain in place for the next 100 years. And then a short time later broke loose and floated away. In addition, based on new evidence related to ice melt, global climate change appears to be taking place much faster than anticipated. So, in all three instances, we have physical evidence of events that must be taken into consideration over and above what both scientists and the media are reporting. At 9:59 AM -0700 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: I always write "global climate change". But this article demonstrates how pervasive are those adept at creating "media spin" in order to obfuscate reality and turn it into propaganda. We have seen so much of this as Republicans have used this ploy in their attempt to defame President Obama and regain their control of the White House. However, the biggest spin of all was that put on issues related to the U.S. entering into the war in Iraq. And let us not forget how so many of us bought into planes hitting the World Trade Center and Pentagon as being the cause of their collapse when scientific studies conducted by qualified physicists show a different scenario. http://www.examiner.com/x-219-Denver-Weather-Examiner~y2009m5d5-The-end-of-g lobal-warming FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodney.shakespeare1 at btopenworld.com Sun May 10 14:22:19 2009 From: rodney.shakespeare1 at btopenworld.com (Rodney Shakespeare) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:22:19 +0100 Subject: [GJM] Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner References: <001701c9d1a8$0f2d55b0$2d880110$@net> Message-ID: <006201c9d1ad$04d44f60$0301a8c0@your447023ae6b> Re: The End of Global WarmingDear Mary (Rose), What is your and Tim Jones's view on the collapse (into its own footprint) of World Trade Center Tower Number Seven? Tower Number Seven was not hit by an airliner. I find it very strange that people always talk about the North and South Towers (both hit by airliners) but omit to discuss the most remarkable thing of all -- Tower Number Seven, a modern building, which collapsed into its own footprint. This has never happenend before or since. Why is that? Thankyou. Rodney Shakespeare. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:46 PM Subject: [GJM] More on: The End of Global Warming From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:48 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: The End of Global Warming Planes did hit both World Trade Center buildings. I would be surprised if huge airliners full of aviation fuel would NOT cause the buildings to collapse. Alex Jones is a total, and dangerous fraud. A few crackpot physicists and their theories have not prevailed. Climate change skeptic physicists don't prevail either. Tim Tim, thanks for your comments. I agree with you re: Alex Jones at present, but I also have to note from my perspective that Jones played a useful role in exposing the antics of the Bush cabal while Bush was in office. So, am wondering what has changed to bring Jones more on the side of Rush Limbaugh today? Ownership of Fox News perhaps? However, it is not just Alex Jones who has reported that planes loaded with fuel could not have been the cause of the Trade Center buildings collapse, but many physicists like BYU Professor Stephen Jones who was placed on paid administrative leave for questioning the cause of the Trade Center Building collapse. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951 Or, of well- recognized theologian David Ray Griffin, who initially scoffing at the idea, turned supporter of the 9-11 alternative investigation when looking at, and seriously considering the findings of the professionals involved in the unauthorized investigation. Griffin is the Editor of New York State University "SUNY Series in Constructive Post-Modern Thought" whose Introduction to this series appears in Dr. Jay Earley's book: "Transforming Human Culture: Social Evolution and the Planetary Crisis" Dr. Griffin is seriously involved in the study of human consciousness, and not someone who could be termed: "a crackpot" by any stretch of the imagination. There have also been quite a few respected former military officers who have come forward as supporters of the alternative 9-11 investigation. And as well some of the firefighters involved at the scene. Please Google for this information. Soon after this event occurred, I was invited to a meeting called by the sister of a fireman who had lost his life there. She and her finance had been flown to New York with many other relatives of those losing their lives. My own intuitive thoughts at the time were that this was an "inside job" even prior to any news releases. And, at this meeting, my thoughts were further reinforced by the feelings of this woman and her finance after having been in New York and at the scene. One of the leading questions re: this event is as to why all of the residue left by the collapse of the buildings was gathered up and taken out of the country where it could not be scientifically examined for explosive residue by third party experts. Also providing substantial evidence for the 911 conspiracy theory is Fred Burks, a former translator for President George W. Bush. Fred resigned his position and began to speak out in the form of his "Want to Know" series. More on Fred Burks may be found on Fred's website as well as more about the alternative 911 investigation as revealed by Burks : www.wanttoknow.info/aboutus Burks resignation was also reported by the Washington Post www.wanttoknow.info/fredburksresigns Fred was a member of the Co-learner's list for quite awhile before putting up his current website. And in our early years we were to learn quite a bit from the inside information provided by Fred. With regard to global climate change, what appears to me anyway, is that scientists as yet do not have enough information upon which to base definitive answers as to what is going to take place. I am, in particular, reminded of the incident where an enormous hunk of ice was studied by scientists and determined to be something that would remain in place for the next 100 years. And then a short time later broke loose and floated away. In addition, based on new evidence related to ice melt, global climate change appears to be taking place much faster than anticipated. So, in all three instances, we have physical evidence of events that must be taken into consideration over and above what both scientists and the media are reporting. At 9:59 AM -0700 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: I always write "global climate change". But this article demonstrates how pervasive are those adept at creating "media spin" in order to obfuscate reality and turn it into propaganda. We have seen so much of this as Republicans have used this ploy in their attempt to defame President Obama and regain their control of the White House. However, the biggest spin of all was that put on issues related to the U.S. entering into the war in Iraq. And let us not forget how so many of us bought into planes hitting the World Trade Center and Pentagon as being the cause of their collapse when scientific studies conducted by qualified physicists show a different scenario. http://www.examiner.com/x-219-Denver-Weather-Examiner~y2009m5d5-The-end-of-global-warming FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sun May 10 17:50:25 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 16:50:25 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner Message-ID: <004e01c9d1ca$1a6119e0$4f234da0$@net> Rodney, this is a very good question. And my answer is that the cause was from demolition charges just as was the collapse of the two other towers. While I am not a close follower of the 9-11 event, I do sit here and read hundreds and hundreds of e-mails that pass over my desktop weekly, only a few of which I forward. And I have read that "thermite" which indicates demolition methods were used to bring down the towers has been found in the ground which surrounded the buildings even though, as I wrote before, the debris was quickly removed and sold to Japan. In addition, most post 9-11 investigations reveal that the fuel aboard the jet liners would not have burned hot enough to have melted the 47 steel columns that supported each of the towers. And, if the fire from the fuel aboard the planes was the cause, the buildings would not have come down in a straight fall as you note in your message did Tower 7. The other two towers made straight falls as well. And there are plenty of pictures available showing how the towers fell. Another factor that has not been mentioned here, and I have seen little mention of it since the months following the event, is the money that was stored in vaults in the centers, if I recall correctly, belonging to Chase Manhattan Bank. And as well the money involved in insurance payments, etc. Just a few days prior to the event, Larry Silverstein had signed lease papers for the two towers, and some retail space. He already held a lease agreement on other property adjacent to the towers including Tower 7. He is now attempting to claim "double benefits" by claiming that since two planes were involved in the "accident" he should receive over $7 billion in payments rather than the $3.something that the insurers are willing to pay under a single event scenario. There is also an unanswered question as to why many of the employees who worked in the buildings did not show up for work that day. Then there is also a large amount of evidence that the plane that supposedly went into the Pentagon was not a plane at all, but more likely a missile. Considering everything that has been published on the event, with all the evidence agreeing, something certainly was amiss on that day. There is even evidence that the pilots who had supposedly flown the planes had not had access to the type of training that would have given them the ability to fly them, let alone being able to make the type of turns required to direct them into the buildings. There is also evidence of time to have gotten U.S. military interceptor aircraft off the ground in order intercept these planes was available. So, why were they "standing down"? From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Rodney Shakespeare Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:22 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Subject: [GJM] Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner Dear Mary (Rose), What is your and Tim Jones's view on the collapse (into its own footprint) of World Trade Center Tower Number Seven? Tower Number Seven was not hit by an airliner. I find it very strange that people always talk about the North and South Towers (both hit by airliners) but omit to discuss the most remarkable thing of all -- Tower Number Seven, a modern building, which collapsed into its own footprint. This has never happenend before or since. Why is that? Thankyou. Rodney Shakespeare. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:46 PM Subject: [GJM] More on: The End of Global Warming From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:48 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: The End of Global Warming Planes did hit both World Trade Center buildings. I would be surprised if huge airliners full of aviation fuel would NOT cause the buildings to collapse. Alex Jones is a total, and dangerous fraud. A few crackpot physicists and their theories have not prevailed. Climate change skeptic physicists don't prevail either. Tim Tim, thanks for your comments. I agree with you re: Alex Jones at present, but I also have to note from my perspective that Jones played a useful role in exposing the antics of the Bush cabal while Bush was in office. So, am wondering what has changed to bring Jones more on the side of Rush Limbaugh today? Ownership of Fox News perhaps? However, it is not just Alex Jones who has reported that planes loaded with fuel could not have been the cause of the Trade Center buildings collapse, but many physicists like BYU Professor Stephen Jones who was placed on paid administrative leave for questioning the cause of the Trade Center Building collapse. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148 &sid=476951 Or, of well- recognized theologian David Ray Griffin, who initially scoffing at the idea, turned supporter of the 9-11 alternative investigation when looking at, and seriously considering the findings of the professionals involved in the unauthorized investigation. Griffin is the Editor of New York State University "SUNY Series in Constructive Post-Modern Thought" whose Introduction to this series appears in Dr. Jay Earley's book: "Transforming Human Culture: Social Evolution and the Planetary Crisis" Dr. Griffin is seriously involved in the study of human consciousness, and not someone who could be termed: "a crackpot" by any stretch of the imagination. There have also been quite a few respected former military officers who have come forward as supporters of the alternative 9-11 investigation. And as well some of the firefighters involved at the scene. Please Google for this information. Soon after this event occurred, I was invited to a meeting called by the sister of a fireman who had lost his life there. She and her finance had been flown to New York with many other relatives of those losing their lives. My own intuitive thoughts at the time were that this was an "inside job" even prior to any news releases. And, at this meeting, my thoughts were further reinforced by the feelings of this woman and her finance after having been in New York and at the scene. One of the leading questions re: this event is as to why all of the residue left by the collapse of the buildings was gathered up and taken out of the country where it could not be scientifically examined for explosive residue by third party experts. Also providing substantial evidence for the 911 conspiracy theory is Fred Burks, a former translator for President George W. Bush. Fred resigned his position and began to speak out in the form of his "Want to Know" series. More on Fred Burks may be found on Fred's website as well as more about the alternative 911 investigation as revealed by Burks : www.wanttoknow.info/aboutus Burks resignation was also reported by the Washington Post www.wanttoknow.info/fredburksresigns Fred was a member of the Co-learner's list for quite awhile before putting up his current website. And in our early years we were to learn quite a bit from the inside information provided by Fred. With regard to global climate change, what appears to me anyway, is that scientists as yet do not have enough information upon which to base definitive answers as to what is going to take place. I am, in particular, reminded of the incident where an enormous hunk of ice was studied by scientists and determined to be something that would remain in place for the next 100 years. And then a short time later broke loose and floated away. In addition, based on new evidence related to ice melt, global climate change appears to be taking place much faster than anticipated. So, in all three instances, we have physical evidence of events that must be taken into consideration over and above what both scientists and the media are reporting. At 9:59 AM -0700 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: I always write "global climate change". But this article demonstrates how pervasive are those adept at creating "media spin" in order to obfuscate reality and turn it into propaganda. We have seen so much of this as Republicans have used this ploy in their attempt to defame President Obama and regain their control of the White House. However, the biggest spin of all was that put on issues related to the U.S. entering into the war in Iraq. And let us not forget how so many of us bought into planes hitting the World Trade Center and Pentagon as being the cause of their collapse when scientific studies conducted by qualified physicists show a different scenario. http://www.examiner.com/x-219-Denver-Weather-Examiner~y2009m5d5-The-end-of-g lobal-warming FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -- _____ _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemo vement.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00039.txt URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sun May 10 18:28:44 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:28:44 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: More on: The End of Global Warming Message-ID: <005b01c9d1cf$74a3b110$5deb1330$@net> I still say that both Alex Jones and Fox News have become more "pro Republican" as well as more vicious in their reporting since Obama became President. Which is why I have been writing about how disgusted I've become with the media and this kind of "disinformation" campaign. But have also maintained all along that the bankers rule politics and anyone who thinks differently is a victim of the propaganda they put out. It's exactly like Mayer Rothchild said, give me control of the money and I don't care who controls the vote. While Obama overwhelmingly won the vote, could it be that this was what the bankers and George Soros wanted, and why they had been grooming Obama, as well as the voters, for several years in order to get a predictable outcome. There is no doubt in my mind that had John McCain won the election we would be well on our way to a Theocracy with attendant prison camps and all of the insanity that accompanied the Bush administration's agenda as directed by the powers that be. What I see that might have changed is those who pull the strings behind the Puppet. George Soros may be a much more benevolent dictator than the Rothchild/Rockefeller agenda calls for. But evidence also appears that the very dangerous Dick Cheney still has money and wields power in many circles and he is going to keep stirring the pot. With regard to Jim Hansen, I distinctly recall sending out reports on how Bush was attempting to water down Hansen's reports on global climate change, but Hansen was having no part of it, and began to hold his own press conferences in order to get the truth out. And, I have already commented on 9-11 in response to Rodney's question. The official investigation simply doesn't hold water. From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:52 PM To: mary rose Subject: Re: More on: The End of Global Warming At 12:46 PM -0700 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:48 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: The End of Global Warming I've heard and watched Alex Jones on ACTV (he lives in Austin, Texas ya know) more than I can stomach. He a libertarian anti environmentalist cherry picking conspiracy nut among other things and an hysterical fear monger. He so type A I'm surprised he hasn't had a heart attack on the air. His latest infowar fulminations, along with Michael Savage's are all about everybody losing their assault rifles. In so doing he's become a real angel to guns and ammo dealers, weaponry hoarders and gun runners for Mexican drug gangs. The guy is a menace. He also claims AGW is a hoax. On balance, if Alex Jones claims it's God's Own Truth I'm pretty sure it's nothing but a sack of horse feathers. Thus 9/11 theory has become so perverted with preposterous speculations I'm not sure we'll ever know the certain truth of it. By the way, where is the 9/11 Martial Law Police State? This is not to mention that it amounts to a serious underestimation of an enemy that flies airplanes into tall buildings and is well known to blow buildings full of people to smithereens. With regard to global climate change, what appears to me anyway, is that scientists as yet do not have enough information upon which to base definitive answers as to what is going to take place. Of course not. We've never even been near the level of greenhouse gas forcing we already have. All the sketchy evidence of past warming is prehistoric and done with proxies like ice cores, tree rings and foraminifera. I am, in particular, reminded of the incident where an enormous hunk of ice Larsen B ice shelf? Wilkins ice shelf? Etc, etc. was studied by scientists and determined to be something that would remain in place for the next 100 years. And then a short time later broke loose and floated away. I've seen the remnants of Larsen B as huge icebergs this last January, some as big city blocks floating near South Georgia Island in the Scotia Sea. In addition, based on new evidence related to ice melt, global climate change appears to be taking place much faster than anticipated. Yes. The feedbacks are more serious than some have ventured. But remember, Jim Hansen has always been alarmed. Also, black carbon derived from forest fires, agricultural burning and diesel exhaust may contribute up to 15% of the positive forcing. The resulting loss of albedo in the northern hemisphere is a serious climate feedback. Melting tundra has yet to bite us in a significant way. When it does global heating may well become a runaway effect - unstoppable. Here again Alex Jones is doing real damage. So, in all three instances, we have physical evidence of events that must be taken into consideration over and above what both scientists and the media are reporting. The vast majority of qualified scientists are convinced of AGW. I think the same could be said regarding 9/11. A few contrarian voices do not balance the scales of empirical evidence supported by the vast majority no matter how the media seeks to "balance" the news. Btw. NOBODY despises Republicans more than I do. Tim At 9:59 AM -0700 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: I always write "global climate change". But this article demonstrates how pervasive are those adept at creating "media spin" in order to obfuscate reality and turn it into propaganda. We have seen so much of this as Republicans have used this ploy in their attempt to defame President Obama and regain their control of the White House. However, the biggest spin of all was that put on issues related to the U.S. entering into the war in Iraq. And let us not forget how so many of us bought into planes hitting the World Trade Center and Pentagon as being the cause of their collapse when scientific studies conducted by qualified physicists show a different scenario. http://www.examiner.com/x-219-Denver-Weather-Examiner~y2009m5d5-The-end-of-g lobal-warming FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -- -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sun May 10 19:09:21 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:09:21 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: FW: Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner Message-ID: <008701c9d1d5$2117fff0$6347ffd0$@net> Thanks, Bob. From: Robert Ocegueda [mailto:bocegueda at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 5:24 PM To: mary rose Subject: Re: FW: [GJM] Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner Here's a link to a web page from the Bentham Open Access website, The Open Chemical Physics Journal. All articles published here are peer reviewed, which means that the studies are serious. http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7 TOCPJ.SGM You can download a PDF of the study showing the methodology and results. Any doubts should be cleared. Bob mary rose wrote: Rodney, this is a very good question. And my answer is that the cause was from demolition charges just as was the collapse of the two other towers. While I am not a close follower of the 9-11 event, I do sit here and read hundreds and hundreds of e-mails that pass over my desktop weekly, only a few of which I forward. And I have read that "thermite" which indicates demolition methods were used to bring down the towers has been found in the ground which surrounded the buildings even though, as I wrote before, the debris was quickly removed and sold to Japan. In addition, most post 9-11 investigations reveal that the fuel aboard the jet liners would not have burned hot enough to have melted the 47 steel columns that supported each of the towers. And, if the fire from the fuel aboard the planes was the cause, the buildings would not have come down in a straight fall as you note in your message did Tower 7. The other two towers made straight falls as well. And there are plenty of pictures available showing how the towers fell. Another factor that has not been mentioned here, and I have seen little mention of it since the months following the event, is the money that was stored in vaults in the centers, if I recall correctly, belonging to Chase Manhattan Bank. And as well the money involved in insurance payments, etc. Just a few days prior to the event, Larry Silverstein had signed lease papers for the two towers, and some retail space. He already held a lease agreement on other property adjacent to the towers including Tower 7. He is now attempting to claim "double benefits" by claiming that since two planes were involved in the "accident" he should receive over $7 billion in payments rather than the $3.something that the insurers are willing to pay under a single event scenario. There is also an unanswered question as to why many of the employees who worked in the buildings did not show up for work that day. Then there is also a large amount of evidence that the plane that supposedly went into the Pentagon was not a plane at all, but more likely a missile. Considering everything that has been published on the event, with all the evidence agreeing, something certainly was amiss on that day. There is even evidence that the pilots who had supposedly flown the planes had not had access to the type of training that would have given them the ability to fly them, let alone being able to make the type of turns required to direct them into the buildings. There is also evidence of time to have gotten U.S. military interceptor aircraft off the ground in order intercept these planes was available. So, why were they "standing down"? From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Rodney Shakespeare Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:22 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Subject: [GJM] Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner Dear Mary (Rose), What is your and Tim Jones's view on the collapse (into its own footprint) of World Trade Center Tower Number Seven? Tower Number Seven was not hit by an airliner. I find it very strange that people always talk about the North and South Towers (both hit by airliners) but omit to discuss the most remarkable thing of all -- Tower Number Seven, a modern building, which collapsed into its own footprint. This has never happenend before or since. Why is that? Thankyou. Rodney Shakespeare. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:46 PM Subject: [GJM] More on: The End of Global Warming From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:48 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: The End of Global Warming Planes did hit both World Trade Center buildings. I would be surprised if huge airliners full of aviation fuel would NOT cause the buildings to collapse. Alex Jones is a total, and dangerous fraud. A few crackpot physicists and their theories have not prevailed. Climate change skeptic physicists don't prevail either. Tim Tim, thanks for your comments. I agree with you re: Alex Jones at present, but I also have to note from my perspective that Jones played a useful role in exposing the antics of the Bush cabal while Bush was in office. So, am wondering what has changed to bring Jones more on the side of Rush Limbaugh today? Ownership of Fox News perhaps? However, it is not just Alex Jones who has reported that planes loaded with fuel could not have been the cause of the Trade Center buildings collapse, but many physicists like BYU Professor Stephen Jones who was placed on paid administrative leave for questioning the cause of the Trade Center Building collapse. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148 &sid=476951 Or, of well- recognized theologian David Ray Griffin, who initially scoffing at the idea, turned supporter of the 9-11 alternative investigation when looking at, and seriously considering the findings of the professionals involved in the unauthorized investigation. Griffin is the Editor of New York State University "SUNY Series in Constructive Post-Modern Thought" whose Introduction to this series appears in Dr. Jay Earley's book: "Transforming Human Culture: Social Evolution and the Planetary Crisis" Dr. Griffin is seriously involved in the study of human consciousness, and not someone who could be termed: "a crackpot" by any stretch of the imagination. There have also been quite a few respected former military officers who have come forward as supporters of the alternative 9-11 investigation. And as well some of the firefighters involved at the scene. Please Google for this information. Soon after this event occurred, I was invited to a meeting called by the sister of a fireman who had lost his life there. She and her finance had been flown to New York with many other relatives of those losing their lives. My own intuitive thoughts at the time were that this was an "inside job" even prior to any news releases. And, at this meeting, my thoughts were further reinforced by the feelings of this woman and her finance after having been in New York and at the scene. One of the leading questions re: this event is as to why all of the residue left by the collapse of the buildings was gathered up and taken out of the country where it could not be scientifically examined for explosive residue by third party experts. Also providing substantial evidence for the 911 conspiracy theory is Fred Burks, a former translator for President George W. Bush. Fred resigned his position and began to speak out in the form of his "Want to Know" series. More on Fred Burks may be found on Fred's website as well as more about the alternative 911 investigation as revealed by Burks : www.wanttoknow.info/aboutus Burks resignation was also reported by the Washington Post www.wanttoknow.info/fredburksresigns Fred was a member of the Co-learner's list for quite awhile before putting up his current website. And in our early years we were to learn quite a bit from the inside information provided by Fred. With regard to global climate change, what appears to me anyway, is that scientists as yet do not have enough information upon which to base definitive answers as to what is going to take place. I am, in particular, reminded of the incident where an enormous hunk of ice was studied by scientists and determined to be something that would remain in place for the next 100 years. And then a short time later broke loose and floated away. In addition, based on new evidence related to ice melt, global climate change appears to be taking place much faster than anticipated. So, in all three instances, we have physical evidence of events that must be taken into consideration over and above what both scientists and the media are reporting. At 9:59 AM -0700 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: I always write "global climate change". But this article demonstrates how pervasive are those adept at creating "media spin" in order to obfuscate reality and turn it into propaganda. We have seen so much of this as Republicans have used this ploy in their attempt to defame President Obama and regain their control of the White House. However, the biggest spin of all was that put on issues related to the U.S. entering into the war in Iraq. And let us not forget how so many of us bought into planes hitting the World Trade Center and Pentagon as being the cause of their collapse when scientific studies conducted by qualified physicists show a different scenario. http://www.examiner.com/x-219-Denver-Weather-Examiner~y2009m5d5-The-end-of-g lobal-warming FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -- _____ _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemo vement.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodney.shakespeare1 at btopenworld.com Mon May 11 02:58:17 2009 From: rodney.shakespeare1 at btopenworld.com (Rodney Shakespeare) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:58:17 +0100 Subject: [GJM] FW: FW: Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit byan airliner References: <008701c9d1d5$2117fff0$6347ffd0$@net> Message-ID: <001901c9d216$a0d0ed10$0301a8c0@your447023ae6b> Re: The End of Global WarmingDear Mary, I am grateful to you for your very full reply on the collapse of the Towers on 9/11. As regards Tower Number Seven ( which was not hit by an airliner yet suddenly collapsed into its own foot print) there are four incredible coincidences- a) nothing like that had ever happened before 9/11 b) nothing like that has happened since 9/11 c) the collapse was announced (by the BBC) half an hour before it actually happened d) the collapse happened on 9/11 itself One coincidence is coincidence; two is happenstance; three is bad luck; and four is .......... There is one explanation which fits all the known facts, phenomena and witness acounts. It is that a section (or more) of the American government became aware that something was being planned and then took steps to ensure that, if it happened, it would happen in a big way -- as it did. Would you please forward this email to Tim Jones for me? Thankyou. Rodney Shakespeare. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 2:09 AM Subject: [GJM] FW: FW: Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit byan airliner Thanks, Bob. From: Robert Ocegueda [mailto:bocegueda at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 5:24 PM To: mary rose Subject: Re: FW: [GJM] Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner Here's a link to a web page from the Bentham Open Access website, The Open Chemical Physics Journal. All articles published here are peer reviewed, which means that the studies are serious. http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM You can download a PDF of the study showing the methodology and results. Any doubts should be cleared. Bob mary rose wrote: Rodney, this is a very good question. And my answer is that the cause was from demolition charges just as was the collapse of the two other towers. While I am not a close follower of the 9-11 event, I do sit here and read hundreds and hundreds of e-mails that pass over my desktop weekly, only a few of which I forward. And I have read that "thermite" which indicates demolition methods were used to bring down the towers has been found in the ground which surrounded the buildings even though, as I wrote before, the debris was quickly removed and sold to Japan. In addition, most post 9-11 investigations reveal that the fuel aboard the jet liners would not have burned hot enough to have melted the 47 steel columns that supported each of the towers. And, if the fire from the fuel aboard the planes was the cause, the buildings would not have come down in a straight fall as you note in your message did Tower 7. The other two towers made straight falls as well. And there are plenty of pictures available showing how the towers fell. Another factor that has not been mentioned here, and I have seen little mention of it since the months following the event, is the money that was stored in vaults in the centers, if I recall correctly, belonging to Chase Manhattan Bank. And as well the money involved in insurance payments, etc. Just a few days prior to the event, Larry Silverstein had signed lease papers for the two towers, and some retail space. He already held a lease agreement on other property adjacent to the towers including Tower 7. He is now attempting to claim "double benefits" by claiming that since two planes were involved in the "accident" he should receive over $7 billion in payments rather than the $3.something that the insurers are willing to pay under a single event scenario. There is also an unanswered question as to why many of the employees who worked in the buildings did not show up for work that day. Then there is also a large amount of evidence that the plane that supposedly went into the Pentagon was not a plane at all, but more likely a missile. Considering everything that has been published on the event, with all the evidence agreeing, something certainly was amiss on that day. There is even evidence that the pilots who had supposedly flown the planes had not had access to the type of training that would have given them the ability to fly them, let alone being able to make the type of turns required to direct them into the buildings. There is also evidence of time to have gotten U.S. military interceptor aircraft off the ground in order intercept these planes was available. So, why were they "standing down"? From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Rodney Shakespeare Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:22 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Subject: [GJM] Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner Dear Mary (Rose), What is your and Tim Jones's view on the collapse (into its own footprint) of World Trade Center Tower Number Seven? Tower Number Seven was not hit by an airliner. I find it very strange that people always talk about the North and South Towers (both hit by airliners) but omit to discuss the most remarkable thing of all -- Tower Number Seven, a modern building, which collapsed into its own footprint. This has never happenend before or since. Why is that? Thankyou. Rodney Shakespeare. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:46 PM Subject: [GJM] More on: The End of Global Warming From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:48 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: The End of Global Warming Planes did hit both World Trade Center buildings. I would be surprised if huge airliners full of aviation fuel would NOT cause the buildings to collapse. Alex Jones is a total, and dangerous fraud. A few crackpot physicists and their theories have not prevailed. Climate change skeptic physicists don't prevail either. Tim Tim, thanks for your comments. I agree with you re: Alex Jones at present, but I also have to note from my perspective that Jones played a useful role in exposing the antics of the Bush cabal while Bush was in office. So, am wondering what has changed to bring Jones more on the side of Rush Limbaugh today? Ownership of Fox News perhaps? However, it is not just Alex Jones who has reported that planes loaded with fuel could not have been the cause of the Trade Center buildings collapse, but many physicists like BYU Professor Stephen Jones who was placed on paid administrative leave for questioning the cause of the Trade Center Building collapse. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951 Or, of well- recognized theologian David Ray Griffin, who initially scoffing at the idea, turned supporter of the 9-11 alternative investigation when looking at, and seriously considering the findings of the professionals involved in the unauthorized investigation. Griffin is the Editor of New York State University "SUNY Series in Constructive Post-Modern Thought" whose Introduction to this series appears in Dr. Jay Earley's book: "Transforming Human Culture: Social Evolution and the Planetary Crisis" Dr. Griffin is seriously involved in the study of human consciousness, and not someone who could be termed: "a crackpot" by any stretch of the imagination. There have also been quite a few respected former military officers who have come forward as supporters of the alternative 9-11 investigation. And as well some of the firefighters involved at the scene. Please Google for this information. Soon after this event occurred, I was invited to a meeting called by the sister of a fireman who had lost his life there. She and her finance had been flown to New York with many other relatives of those losing their lives. My own intuitive thoughts at the time were that this was an "inside job" even prior to any news releases. And, at this meeting, my thoughts were further reinforced by the feelings of this woman and her finance after having been in New York and at the scene. One of the leading questions re: this event is as to why all of the residue left by the collapse of the buildings was gathered up and taken out of the country where it could not be scientifically examined for explosive residue by third party experts. Also providing substantial evidence for the 911 conspiracy theory is Fred Burks, a former translator for President George W. Bush. Fred resigned his position and began to speak out in the form of his "Want to Know" series. More on Fred Burks may be found on Fred's website as well as more about the alternative 911 investigation as revealed by Burks : www.wanttoknow.info/aboutus Burks resignation was also reported by the Washington Post www.wanttoknow.info/fredburksresigns Fred was a member of the Co-learner's list for quite awhile before putting up his current website. And in our early years we were to learn quite a bit from the inside information provided by Fred. With regard to global climate change, what appears to me anyway, is that scientists as yet do not have enough information upon which to base definitive answers as to what is going to take place. I am, in particular, reminded of the incident where an enormous hunk of ice was studied by scientists and determined to be something that would remain in place for the next 100 years. And then a short time later broke loose and floated away. In addition, based on new evidence related to ice melt, global climate change appears to be taking place much faster than anticipated. So, in all three instances, we have physical evidence of events that must be taken into consideration over and above what both scientists and the media are reporting. At 9:59 AM -0700 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: I always write "global climate change". But this article demonstrates how pervasive are those adept at creating "media spin" in order to obfuscate reality and turn it into propaganda. We have seen so much of this as Republicans have used this ploy in their attempt to defame President Obama and regain their control of the White House. However, the biggest spin of all was that put on issues related to the U.S. entering into the war in Iraq. And let us not forget how so many of us bought into planes hitting the World Trade Center and Pentagon as being the cause of their collapse when scientific studies conducted by qualified physicists show a different scenario. http://www.examiner.com/x-219-Denver-Weather-Examiner~y2009m5d5-The-end-of-global-warming FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodney.shakespeare1 at btopenworld.com Mon May 11 04:30:22 2009 From: rodney.shakespeare1 at btopenworld.com (Rodney Shakespeare) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:30:22 +0100 Subject: [GJM] FW: More on: The End of Global Warming References: <005b01c9d1cf$74a3b110$5deb1330$@net> Message-ID: <005901c9d223$7dbfcd20$0301a8c0@your447023ae6b> Re: More on: The End of Global WarmingDear Mary, May I (a UK citizen) comment on your remark that both Alex Jones and FoxNews have become more pro-Republican? Jones's position -- see The Obama Deception -- is simply that Obama is controlled by Wall Street, lobbyists from the big corporations, Bilderburg, Trilateral Commission and the Council for Foreign Relations in exactly the same way as Bush and Clinton. And if you look at the people around Obama -- they are listed and their connections explained in The Obama Deception -- you will soon see why. Jones is opposed to Fox News (and to the Republican leaders and the Democratic leaders) because he sees Fox -- and the leaders -- as part of the conspiracy to introduce a single global currency (which is intended to put all the world into ever-increasing debt controlled by a narrow group of bankers) and a fascist world government. It is a great mistake to see Jones as being anti-Obama as such. Jones is anti-global currency, anti-control by debt and anti-fascist world government. The apparent coming-together of Jones and Fox is happening not because Jones has moved an inch but because all the things he has long alleged (e.g. FEMA camps, 9/11, chemtrails etc) are now being increasingly believed as being true by a larger percrentage of the USA population and so Fox News is being virtually forced to change its position (which, in practice, means, towards Jones). In short, Jones is winning the argument and FoxNews is losing it. Jones is also intently aware of the USA sliding towards fascism because the effects of big economic collapse have, inevitably, fascist consequences e.g., martial law, FEMA camps (already built, but always denied by Fox News), arrests (under Patriot Act legislation), and the closing of sections of the internet (this legislation has already been proposed). Jones is not the only one to say this -- in the USA, for example, Gerald Celente has a remarkable record of forecasting (perhaps the best in the world) and he agrees completely with the Jones position. Yes, Jones is an often narrow libertarian and a strong gun supporter (there has been an absolutely huge rise of late in sales of guns and ammunition in the USA) but the gun people -- I speak frankly -- see their guns as their ultimate defence against a rapidly-approaching fascism. If the global economic collapse continues, the USA (like elsewhere) will go into economic, political and social crisis. So it all gets down to whether (or not) the global economic crisis will continue -- or, somehow, disappear. If it continues, and gets worse, we should remember that, in the 1930s, ALL of the countries in Europe became fascist in some way or another. Apparent exceptions were France (but that country soon had a Vichy fascist government) and the UK. But in the UK there were plenty of people prepared to reach an accomodation with fascists (these people were in charge until well into the War when Churchill was appointed) and the forced abdication of King Edward was not really because of anti-Americanism (against Mrs Simpson) but because a lot of people realised that Edward was a potential Quisling king. Jones's big weakness is that, as a libertarian and gold supporter, he does not really have a credible solution to the economic crisis -- he sees what is going wrong but can only propose a form of "Austrian" solution in response. Rodney Shakespeare. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:28 AM Subject: [GJM] FW: More on: The End of Global Warming I still say that both Alex Jones and Fox News have become more "pro Republican" as well as more vicious in their reporting since Obama became President. Which is why I have been writing about how disgusted I've become with the media and this kind of "disinformation" campaign. But have also maintained all along that the bankers rule politics and anyone who thinks differently is a victim of the propaganda they put out. It's exactly like Mayer Rothchild said, give me control of the money and I don't care who controls the vote. While Obama overwhelmingly won the vote, could it be that this was what the bankers and George Soros wanted, and why they had been grooming Obama, as well as the voters, for several years in order to get a predictable outcome. There is no doubt in my mind that had John McCain won the election we would be well on our way to a Theocracy with attendant prison camps and all of the insanity that accompanied the Bush administration's agenda as directed by the powers that be. What I see that might have changed is those who pull the strings behind the Puppet. George Soros may be a much more benevolent dictator than the Rothchild/Rockefeller agenda calls for. But evidence also appears that the very dangerous Dick Cheney still has money and wields power in many circles and he is going to keep stirring the pot. With regard to Jim Hansen, I distinctly recall sending out reports on how Bush was attempting to water down Hansen's reports on global climate change, but Hansen was having no part of it, and began to hold his own press conferences in order to get the truth out. And, I have already commented on 9-11 in response to Rodney's question. The official investigation simply doesn't hold water. From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:52 PM To: mary rose Subject: Re: More on: The End of Global Warming At 12:46 PM -0700 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:48 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: The End of Global Warming I've heard and watched Alex Jones on ACTV (he lives in Austin, Texas ya know) more than I can stomach. He a libertarian anti environmentalist cherry picking conspiracy nut among other things and an hysterical fear monger. He so type A I'm surprised he hasn't had a heart attack on the air. His latest infowar fulminations, along with Michael Savage's are all about everybody losing their assault rifles. In so doing he's become a real angel to guns and ammo dealers, weaponry hoarders and gun runners for Mexican drug gangs. The guy is a menace. He also claims AGW is a hoax. On balance, if Alex Jones claims it's God's Own Truth I'm pretty sure it's nothing but a sack of horse feathers. Thus 9/11 theory has become so perverted with preposterous speculations I'm not sure we'll ever know the certain truth of it. By the way, where is the 9/11 Martial Law Police State? This is not to mention that it amounts to a serious underestimation of an enemy that flies airplanes into tall buildings and is well known to blow buildings full of people to smithereens. With regard to global climate change, what appears to me anyway, is that scientists as yet do not have enough information upon which to base definitive answers as to what is going to take place. Of course not. We've never even been near the level of greenhouse gas forcing we already have. All the sketchy evidence of past warming is prehistoric and done with proxies like ice cores, tree rings and foraminifera. I am, in particular, reminded of the incident where an enormous hunk of ice Larsen B ice shelf? Wilkins ice shelf? Etc, etc. was studied by scientists and determined to be something that would remain in place for the next 100 years. And then a short time later broke loose and floated away. I've seen the remnants of Larsen B as huge icebergs this last January, some as big city blocks floating near South Georgia Island in the Scotia Sea. In addition, based on new evidence related to ice melt, global climate change appears to be taking place much faster than anticipated. Yes. The feedbacks are more serious than some have ventured. But remember, Jim Hansen has always been alarmed. Also, black carbon derived from forest fires, agricultural burning and diesel exhaust may contribute up to 15% of the positive forcing. The resulting loss of albedo in the northern hemisphere is a serious climate feedback. Melting tundra has yet to bite us in a significant way. When it does global heating may well become a runaway effect - unstoppable. Here again Alex Jones is doing real damage. So, in all three instances, we have physical evidence of events that must be taken into consideration over and above what both scientists and the media are reporting. The vast majority of qualified scientists are convinced of AGW. I think the same could be said regarding 9/11. A few contrarian voices do not balance the scales of empirical evidence supported by the vast majority no matter how the media seeks to "balance" the news. Btw. NOBODY despises Republicans more than I do. Tim At 9:59 AM -0700 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: I always write "global climate change". But this article demonstrates how pervasive are those adept at creating "media spin" in order to obfuscate reality and turn it into propaganda. We have seen so much of this as Republicans have used this ploy in their attempt to defame President Obama and regain their control of the White House. However, the biggest spin of all was that put on issues related to the U.S. entering into the war in Iraq. And let us not forget how so many of us bought into planes hitting the World Trade Center and Pentagon as being the cause of their collapse when scientific studies conducted by qualified physicists show a different scenario. http://www.examiner.com/x-219-Denver-Weather-Examiner~y2009m5d5-The-end-of-global-warming FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodney.shakespeare1 at btopenworld.com Mon May 11 07:17:44 2009 From: rodney.shakespeare1 at btopenworld.com (Rodney Shakespeare) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:17:44 +0100 Subject: [GJM] FW: FW: Collapse of Tower Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner References: <008701c9d1d5$2117fff0$6347ffd0$@net> Message-ID: <010f01c9d23a$dfaaab10$0301a8c0@your447023ae6b> Re: The End of Global WarmingDear All, I sent this earlier but it has not appeared in my Inbox (as it should). I hope this is not an unnecessary repeat. Rodney S.. ----- Dear Mary, I am grateful to you for your very full reply on the collapse of the Towers on 9/11. As regards Tower Number Seven ( which was not hit by an airliner yet suddenly collapsed into its own foot print) there are four incredible coincidences- a) nothing like that had ever happened before 9/11 b) nothing like that has happened since 9/11 c) the collapse was announced (by the BBC) half an hour before it actually happened d) the collapse happened on 9/11 itself One coincidence is coincidence; two is happenstance; three is bad luck; and four is .......... There is one explanation which fits all the known facts, phenomena and witness acounts. It is that a section (or more) of the American government became aware that something was being planned and then took steps to ensure that, if it happened, it would happen in a big way -- as it did. Would you please forward this email to Tim Jones for me? Thankyou. Rodney Shakespeare. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 2:09 AM Subject: [GJM] FW: FW: Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit byan airliner Thanks, Bob. From: Robert Ocegueda [mailto:bocegueda at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 5:24 PM To: mary rose Subject: Re: FW: [GJM] Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner Here's a link to a web page from the Bentham Open Access website, The Open Chemical Physics Journal. All articles published here are peer reviewed, which means that the studies are serious. http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM You can download a PDF of the study showing the methodology and results. Any doubts should be cleared. Bob mary rose wrote: Rodney, this is a very good question. And my answer is that the cause was from demolition charges just as was the collapse of the two other towers. While I am not a close follower of the 9-11 event, I do sit here and read hundreds and hundreds of e-mails that pass over my desktop weekly, only a few of which I forward. And I have read that "thermite" which indicates demolition methods were used to bring down the towers has been found in the ground which surrounded the buildings even though, as I wrote before, the debris was quickly removed and sold to Japan. In addition, most post 9-11 investigations reveal that the fuel aboard the jet liners would not have burned hot enough to have melted the 47 steel columns that supported each of the towers. And, if the fire from the fuel aboard the planes was the cause, the buildings would not have come down in a straight fall as you note in your message did Tower 7. The other two towers made straight falls as well. And there are plenty of pictures available showing how the towers fell. Another factor that has not been mentioned here, and I have seen little mention of it since the months following the event, is the money that was stored in vaults in the centers, if I recall correctly, belonging to Chase Manhattan Bank. And as well the money involved in insurance payments, etc. Just a few days prior to the event, Larry Silverstein had signed lease papers for the two towers, and some retail space. He already held a lease agreement on other property adjacent to the towers including Tower 7. He is now attempting to claim "double benefits" by claiming that since two planes were involved in the "accident" he should receive over $7 billion in payments rather than the $3.something that the insurers are willing to pay under a single event scenario. There is also an unanswered question as to why many of the employees who worked in the buildings did not show up for work that day. Then there is also a large amount of evidence that the plane that supposedly went into the Pentagon was not a plane at all, but more likely a missile. Considering everything that has been published on the event, with all the evidence agreeing, something certainly was amiss on that day. There is even evidence that the pilots who had supposedly flown the planes had not had access to the type of training that would have given them the ability to fly them, let alone being able to make the type of turns required to direct them into the buildings. There is also evidence of time to have gotten U.S. military interceptor aircraft off the ground in order intercept these planes was available. So, why were they "standing down"? From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Rodney Shakespeare Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:22 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Subject: [GJM] Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner Dear Mary (Rose), What is your and Tim Jones's view on the collapse (into its own footprint) of World Trade Center Tower Number Seven? Tower Number Seven was not hit by an airliner. I find it very strange that people always talk about the North and South Towers (both hit by airliners) but omit to discuss the most remarkable thing of all -- Tower Number Seven, a modern building, which collapsed into its own footprint. This has never happenend before or since. Why is that? Thankyou. Rodney Shakespeare. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:46 PM Subject: [GJM] More on: The End of Global Warming From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:48 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: The End of Global Warming Planes did hit both World Trade Center buildings. I would be surprised if huge airliners full of aviation fuel would NOT cause the buildings to collapse. Alex Jones is a total, and dangerous fraud. A few crackpot physicists and their theories have not prevailed. Climate change skeptic physicists don't prevail either. Tim Tim, thanks for your comments. I agree with you re: Alex Jones at present, but I also have to note from my perspective that Jones played a useful role in exposing the antics of the Bush cabal while Bush was in office. So, am wondering what has changed to bring Jones more on the side of Rush Limbaugh today? Ownership of Fox News perhaps? However, it is not just Alex Jones who has reported that planes loaded with fuel could not have been the cause of the Trade Center buildings collapse, but many physicists like BYU Professor Stephen Jones who was placed on paid administrative leave for questioning the cause of the Trade Center Building collapse. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951 Or, of well- recognized theologian David Ray Griffin, who initially scoffing at the idea, turned supporter of the 9-11 alternative investigation when looking at, and seriously considering the findings of the professionals involved in the unauthorized investigation. Griffin is the Editor of New York State University "SUNY Series in Constructive Post-Modern Thought" whose Introduction to this series appears in Dr. Jay Earley's book: "Transforming Human Culture: Social Evolution and the Planetary Crisis" Dr. Griffin is seriously involved in the study of human consciousness, and not someone who could be termed: "a crackpot" by any stretch of the imagination. There have also been quite a few respected former military officers who have come forward as supporters of the alternative 9-11 investigation. And as well some of the firefighters involved at the scene. Please Google for this information. Soon after this event occurred, I was invited to a meeting called by the sister of a fireman who had lost his life there. She and her finance had been flown to New York with many other relatives of those losing their lives. My own intuitive thoughts at the time were that this was an "inside job" even prior to any news releases. And, at this meeting, my thoughts were further reinforced by the feelings of this woman and her finance after having been in New York and at the scene. One of the leading questions re: this event is as to why all of the residue left by the collapse of the buildings was gathered up and taken out of the country where it could not be scientifically examined for explosive residue by third party experts. Also providing substantial evidence for the 911 conspiracy theory is Fred Burks, a former translator for President George W. Bush. Fred resigned his position and began to speak out in the form of his "Want to Know" series. More on Fred Burks may be found on Fred's website as well as more about the alternative 911 investigation as revealed by Burks : www.wanttoknow.info/aboutus Burks resignation was also reported by the Washington Post www.wanttoknow.info/fredburksresigns Fred was a member of the Co-learner's list for quite awhile before putting up his current website. And in our early years we were to learn quite a bit from the inside information provided by Fred. With regard to global climate change, what appears to me anyway, is that scientists as yet do not have enough information upon which to base definitive answers as to what is going to take place. I am, in particular, reminded of the incident where an enormous hunk of ice was studied by scientists and determined to be something that would remain in place for the next 100 years. And then a short time later broke loose and floated away. In addition, based on new evidence related to ice melt, global climate change appears to be taking place much faster than anticipated. So, in all three instances, we have physical evidence of events that must be taken into consideration over and above what both scientists and the media are reporting. At 9:59 AM -0700 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: I always write "global climate change". But this article demonstrates how pervasive are those adept at creating "media spin" in order to obfuscate reality and turn it into propaganda. We have seen so much of this as Republicans have used this ploy in their attempt to defame President Obama and regain their control of the White House. However, the biggest spin of all was that put on issues related to the U.S. entering into the war in Iraq. And let us not forget how so many of us bought into planes hitting the World Trade Center and Pentagon as being the cause of their collapse when scientific studies conducted by qualified physicists show a different scenario. http://www.examiner.com/x-219-Denver-Weather-Examiner~y2009m5d5-The-end-of-global-warming FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Mon May 11 08:07:24 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 07:07:24 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: FW: FW: Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit byan airliner Message-ID: <005101c9d241$d25e9190$771bb4b0$@net> From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Rodney Shakespeare Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:58 AM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [GJM] FW: FW: Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit byan airliner Dear Mary, I am grateful to you for your very full reply on the collapse of the Towers on 9/11. As regards Tower Number Seven ( which was not hit by an airliner yet suddenly collapsed into its own foot print) there are four incredible coincidences- a) nothing like that had ever happened before 9/11 b) nothing like that has happened since 9/11 c) the collapse was announced (by the BBC) half an hour before it actually happened d) the collapse happened on 9/11 itself One coincidence is coincidence; two is happenstance; three is bad luck; and four is .......... There is one explanation which fits all the known facts, phenomena and witness acounts. It is that a section (or more) of the American government became aware that something was being planned and then took steps to ensure that, if it happened, it would happen in a big way -- as it did. Would you please forward this email to Tim Jones for me? Thankyou. Rodney Shakespeare. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 2:09 AM Subject: [GJM] FW: FW: Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit byan airliner Thanks, Bob. From: Robert Ocegueda [mailto:bocegueda at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 5:24 PM To: mary rose Subject: Re: FW: [GJM] Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner Here's a link to a web page from the Bentham Open Access website, The Open Chemical Physics Journal. All articles published here are peer reviewed, which means that the studies are serious. http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7 TOCPJ.SGM You can download a PDF of the study showing the methodology and results. Any doubts should be cleared. Bob mary rose wrote: Rodney, this is a very good question. And my answer is that the cause was from demolition charges just as was the collapse of the two other towers. While I am not a close follower of the 9-11 event, I do sit here and read hundreds and hundreds of e-mails that pass over my desktop weekly, only a few of which I forward. And I have read that "thermite" which indicates demolition methods were used to bring down the towers has been found in the ground which surrounded the buildings even though, as I wrote before, the debris was quickly removed and sold to Japan. In addition, most post 9-11 investigations reveal that the fuel aboard the jet liners would not have burned hot enough to have melted the 47 steel columns that supported each of the towers. And, if the fire from the fuel aboard the planes was the cause, the buildings would not have come down in a straight fall as you note in your message did Tower 7. The other two towers made straight falls as well. And there are plenty of pictures available showing how the towers fell. Another factor that has not been mentioned here, and I have seen little mention of it since the months following the event, is the money that was stored in vaults in the centers, if I recall correctly, belonging to Chase Manhattan Bank. And as well the money involved in insurance payments, etc. Just a few days prior to the event, Larry Silverstein had signed lease papers for the two towers, and some retail space. He already held a lease agreement on other property adjacent to the towers including Tower 7. He is now attempting to claim "double benefits" by claiming that since two planes were involved in the "accident" he should receive over $7 billion in payments rather than the $3.something that the insurers are willing to pay under a single event scenario. There is also an unanswered question as to why many of the employees who worked in the buildings did not show up for work that day. Then there is also a large amount of evidence that the plane that supposedly went into the Pentagon was not a plane at all, but more likely a missile. Considering everything that has been published on the event, with all the evidence agreeing, something certainly was amiss on that day. There is even evidence that the pilots who had supposedly flown the planes had not had access to the type of training that would have given them the ability to fly them, let alone being able to make the type of turns required to direct them into the buildings. There is also evidence of time to have gotten U.S. military interceptor aircraft off the ground in order intercept these planes was available. So, why were they "standing down"? From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Rodney Shakespeare Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:22 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Subject: [GJM] Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner Dear Mary (Rose), What is your and Tim Jones's view on the collapse (into its own footprint) of World Trade Center Tower Number Seven? Tower Number Seven was not hit by an airliner. I find it very strange that people always talk about the North and South Towers (both hit by airliners) but omit to discuss the most remarkable thing of all -- Tower Number Seven, a modern building, which collapsed into its own footprint. This has never happenend before or since. Why is that? Thankyou. Rodney Shakespeare. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:46 PM Subject: [GJM] More on: The End of Global Warming From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:48 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: The End of Global Warming Planes did hit both World Trade Center buildings. I would be surprised if huge airliners full of aviation fuel would NOT cause the buildings to collapse. Alex Jones is a total, and dangerous fraud. A few crackpot physicists and their theories have not prevailed. Climate change skeptic physicists don't prevail either. Tim Tim, thanks for your comments. I agree with you re: Alex Jones at present, but I also have to note from my perspective that Jones played a useful role in exposing the antics of the Bush cabal while Bush was in office. So, am wondering what has changed to bring Jones more on the side of Rush Limbaugh today? Ownership of Fox News perhaps? However, it is not just Alex Jones who has reported that planes loaded with fuel could not have been the cause of the Trade Center buildings collapse, but many physicists like BYU Professor Stephen Jones who was placed on paid administrative leave for questioning the cause of the Trade Center Building collapse. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148 &sid=476951 Or, of well- recognized theologian David Ray Griffin, who initially scoffing at the idea, turned supporter of the 9-11 alternative investigation when looking at, and seriously considering the findings of the professionals involved in the unauthorized investigation. Griffin is the Editor of New York State University "SUNY Series in Constructive Post-Modern Thought" whose Introduction to this series appears in Dr. Jay Earley's book: "Transforming Human Culture: Social Evolution and the Planetary Crisis" Dr. Griffin is seriously involved in the study of human consciousness, and not someone who could be termed: "a crackpot" by any stretch of the imagination. There have also been quite a few respected former military officers who have come forward as supporters of the alternative 9-11 investigation. And as well some of the firefighters involved at the scene. Please Google for this information. Soon after this event occurred, I was invited to a meeting called by the sister of a fireman who had lost his life there. She and her finance had been flown to New York with many other relatives of those losing their lives. My own intuitive thoughts at the time were that this was an "inside job" even prior to any news releases. And, at this meeting, my thoughts were further reinforced by the feelings of this woman and her finance after having been in New York and at the scene. One of the leading questions re: this event is as to why all of the residue left by the collapse of the buildings was gathered up and taken out of the country where it could not be scientifically examined for explosive residue by third party experts. Also providing substantial evidence for the 911 conspiracy theory is Fred Burks, a former translator for President George W. Bush. Fred resigned his position and began to speak out in the form of his "Want to Know" series. More on Fred Burks may be found on Fred's website as well as more about the alternative 911 investigation as revealed by Burks : www.wanttoknow.info/aboutus Burks resignation was also reported by the Washington Post www.wanttoknow.info/fredburksresigns Fred was a member of the Co-learner's list for quite awhile before putting up his current website. And in our early years we were to learn quite a bit from the inside information provided by Fred. With regard to global climate change, what appears to me anyway, is that scientists as yet do not have enough information upon which to base definitive answers as to what is going to take place. I am, in particular, reminded of the incident where an enormous hunk of ice was studied by scientists and determined to be something that would remain in place for the next 100 years. And then a short time later broke loose and floated away. In addition, based on new evidence related to ice melt, global climate change appears to be taking place much faster than anticipated. So, in all three instances, we have physical evidence of events that must be taken into consideration over and above what both scientists and the media are reporting. At 9:59 AM -0700 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: I always write "global climate change". But this article demonstrates how pervasive are those adept at creating "media spin" in order to obfuscate reality and turn it into propaganda. We have seen so much of this as Republicans have used this ploy in their attempt to defame President Obama and regain their control of the White House. However, the biggest spin of all was that put on issues related to the U.S. entering into the war in Iraq. And let us not forget how so many of us bought into planes hitting the World Trade Center and Pentagon as being the cause of their collapse when scientific studies conducted by qualified physicists show a different scenario. http://www.examiner.com/x-219-Denver-Weather-Examiner~y2009m5d5-The-end-of-g lobal-warming FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -- _____ _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemo vement.net _____ _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemo vement.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00017.txt URL: From stevenieman at mac.com Mon May 11 08:18:48 2009 From: stevenieman at mac.com (Steve Nieman) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 07:18:48 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: FW: Collapse of Tower Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner In-Reply-To: <010f01c9d23a$dfaaab10$0301a8c0@your447023ae6b> References: <008701c9d1d5$2117fff0$6347ffd0$@net> <010f01c9d23a$dfaaab10$0301a8c0@your447023ae6b> Message-ID: <6BA8C840-84CB-45A0-B02E-66A57F8769E8@mac.com> Rodney, It came through fine to my server on the first posting. Fear changes reality, which is really an outcome of the mind. I observe many people right now are tremendously afraid, which then changes what they "think," which then affects what they see and believe. Studies have been shown that fear physically changes the body/brain. Many educated, reasonable people I know turn into raving lunatics regarding the science that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the U.S. government's official story of 9-11 is not what actually happened that fateful day. It's like they were never educated at all in the scientific method, etc. Hard physical evidence? ?? they scoff at it. That's what human fear does. Look to Mother Nature. She is never unnaturally afraid. And Life goes on normal in the non-human world. The economic collapse is totally man-made. We have the resources and technology to eliminate poverty and make all human and environmental life worth living and enjoying. But this reality "choice" will struggle in an atmosphere of widespread human fear. Want to change the crazy goings-on of humans, especially those in power? Do your part: DON'T BE AFRAID. DON'T BE INTIMIDATED BY THEM. SUBSTITUTE LOVE FOR FEAR WHEREVER POSSIBLE. Steve Nieman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 11, 2009, at 6:17 AM, Rodney Shakespeare wrote: > Dear All, > I sent this earlier but it has not appeared in my Inbox (as it > should). I hope this is not an unnecessary repeat. > Rodney S.. > ----- > Dear Mary, > I am grateful to you for your very full reply on the collapse of > the Towers on 9/11. > > As regards Tower Number Seven ( which was not hit by an airliner > yet suddenly collapsed into its own foot print) there are four > incredible coincidences- > a) nothing like that had ever happened before 9/11 > b) nothing like that has happened since 9/11 > c) the collapse was announced (by the BBC) half an hour before > it actually happened > d) the collapse happened on 9/11 itself > > One coincidence is coincidence; two is happenstance; three is bad > luck; and four is .......... > > There is one explanation which fits all the known facts, phenomena > and witness acounts. It is that a section (or more) of the > American government became aware that something was being planned > and then took steps to ensure that, if it happened, it would happen > in a big way -- as it did. > > Would you please forward this email to Tim Jones for me? > > Thankyou. > > Rodney Shakespeare. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Mon May 11 12:19:54 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:19:54 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: How the game is played (was: More on: The End of Global Warming) Message-ID: <009901c9d265$18fd67c0$4af83740$@net> I'm going to comment interspersed below. m r From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Rodney Shakespeare Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:30 AM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [GJM] FW: More on: The End of Global Warming Dear Mary, May I (a UK citizen) comment on your remark that both Alex Jones and FoxNews have become more pro-Republican? Jones's position -- see The Obama Deception -- is simply that Obama is controlled by Wall Street, lobbyists from the big corporations, Bilderburg, Trilateral Commission and the Council for Foreign Relations in exactly the same way as Bush and Clinton. And if you look at the people around Obama -- they are listed and their connections explained in The Obama Deception -- you will soon see why. mr: The Obama Deception is propaganda directed toward the Constitutionalists, the Christian Right, and the "red - necks" who can't stand to see a black man as president of their country. I know - I live in a community composed of these kinds of people. It is designed to set off explosive events which will trigger the martial law that the Zionist leaders want to see so they have the excuse to declare their dictatorship as the aforementioned rise up against Obama. It is a "wag the dog" event that is orchestrated by the Libertarians led in part by Ron Paul, and in part by John McCain as the designated leader of those in the Christian Right. Very much involved in this agenda are the Freemasons. And, as we all know, it was the Freemasons who set up the Constitution in the best interests of the wealthy men from England who were colonializing much of the world using the West Indies Company as a tool. What we know today as the USofA was only another stepping stone in their effort to "rule the world". The manipulators are also instigating in Mexico and bringing the drug wars closer to the Border here in the U.S. hoping to set off an event between the U.S. and Mexico that will require bringing in the type of guerilla warriors, e.g., Blackwater, in order to supposedly "keep the peace". But nothing could be further from their mind - a war between Mexico and the U.S. would demand more military might - more weapons - and thus provide more income for the corporations which manufacture them as they would sell them to both sides in this war as they do every other war. I know, I live very close to the Border. One of the things you fail to remember, Rodney, that I have previously written about is how the Mafias' and drug cartels of the world (with the exception of the Chinese) met in Venice, Italy on Easter Sunday in 1997 and pledged to unite and cooperate rather than fight against one another. This is an event documented by Jeffrey Robinson in a book whose title escapes me right now. But, Robinson was provided with this information by the CIA. What may seem unusual about this event is that a leading member of the Christian Right was in attendance at this event. In writing what you write here in this memo (if I may call it that) ignores the information I provided in the message I sent which was forwarded by Mark Graffis to me via another person whose name I have not disclosed and was titled: "Do the Jews Own Hollywood?" And, yes, of course they do. And they own the rest of the media including Fox News. So when you write that Alex Jones is leading Fox News, I have to laugh, because no one is going to lead the Zionists including Rush Limbaugh. Both of these guys are told exactly what they are going to say and do. It is all orchestrated by the Zionist Jews (and the Vatican including the Jesuits who lead the Christian Right around by their noses). Do you think for one minute that I believed that George Bush had become a born again Christian? Dick Cheney obviously is of the Christian Right and this is where all the ideas for the FEMA camps, etc., etc., etc., as you mention below are coming from - these are the lunatic Nazi fringe people. These boys all believe in doling out pain and sit around jacking off big time as it happens. It's the way they get their jollies and why they preach hell fire and brimstone in order to keep people scared to death. Jones is opposed to Fox News (and to the Republican leaders and the Democratic leaders) because he sees Fox -- and the leaders -- as part of the conspiracy to introduce a single global currency (which is intended to put all the world into ever-increasing debt controlled by a narrow group of bankers) and a fascist world government. It is a great mistake to see Jones as being anti-Obama as such. Jones is anti-global currency, anti-control by debt and anti-fascist world government. The apparent coming-together of Jones and Fox is happening not because Jones has moved an inch but because all the things he has long alleged (e.g. FEMA camps, 9/11, chemtrails etc) are now being increasingly believed as being true by a larger percrentage of the USA population and so Fox News is being virtually forced to change its position (which, in practice, means, towards Jones). In short, Jones is winning the argument and FoxNews is losing it. The above is all part of the "wag the dog" game which means divide and keep divided in order to conquer and keep conquered. What you need to keep in mind, Rodney is that the media here in the U.S. is controlled by the Zionists which is mainly a Jewish organization but also includes those I have named in the article forwarded about "who owns Hollywood". And, from where I sit, the Zionists also control England, Since the wealthy Englishmen paid the U.S. government to kill all the buffalo and thus rid the West of Native Americans, in order to bring beef cattle and milk cows into the U.S., the money has flowed out of this country and into Britain where the real Wall Street is housed. So the money flows from here in the U.S. into London and through the Bank of England into the Vatican as some Jews and the Vatican are in bed together along with the Jesuits and the Mormons here in the U.S. As far as I can ascertain it is the U.S. Jewish population combined with the Mormons who largely constitute AIPAC here in the U.S. But it gets very complex because you also have the drug cartels with their affiliation with many of the Latino countries and then you have the mafias with their affiliations here in the U.S. , Italy and other countries. An American reporter who knows a lot about these things is Greg Szymanski www.articbeacon.com/greg/ A lot of information can be gained via Catholic Priests who have been inside the game and are sickened by it. Some of them leave the Church and are afraid to speak out; others remain in the Church and speak out. I have in the past had contact with two of these Priests who remained within the Church but were speaking out. And, I have written before that a lot of information may be gained by watching the Godfather series. It is not all fiction believe me. I have also been here in San Diego and watched as the Catholic Diocese had to file bankruptcy due to so many child molestation cases being filed against them they were unable to pay the settlements. I have also witnessed a case in which the Church compelled a woman whose husband wanted to divorce her to turn all of her property over to him so that when he passed on the Church would gain the property and not her. And these are the good Christians we are supposed to revere and follow in the name of God -- give me a break. I don't know how many friends I have who have been molested or otherwise suffered due to the policies of the Catholic Church. Jones is also intently aware of the USA sliding towards fascism because the effects of big economic collapse have, inevitably, fascist consequences e.g., martial law, FEMA camps (already built, but always denied by Fox News), arrests (under Patriot Act legislation), and the closing of sections of the internet (this legislation has already been proposed). Jones is not the only one to say this -- in the USA, for example, Gerald Celente has a remarkable record of forecasting (perhaps the best in the world) and he agrees completely with the Jones position. Yes, Jones is an often narrow libertarian and a strong gun supporter (there has been an absolutely huge rise of late in sales of guns and ammunition in the USA) but the gun people -- I speak frankly -- see their guns as their ultimate defence against a rapidly-approaching fascism. If the global economic collapse continues, the USA (like elsewhere) will go into economic, political and social crisis. So it all gets down to whether (or not) the global economic crisis will continue -- or, somehow, disappear. If it continues, and gets worse, we should remember that, in the 1930s, ALL of the countries in Europe became fascist in some way or another. Apparent exceptions were France (but that country soon had a Vichy fascist government) and the UK. But in the UK there were plenty of people prepared to reach an accomodation with fascists (these people were in charge until well into the War when Churchill was appointed) and the forced abdication of King Edward was not really because of anti-Americanism (against Mrs Simpson) but because a lot of people realised that Edward was a potential Quisling king. Jones's big weakness is that, as a libertarian and gold supporter, he does not really have a credible solution to the economic crisis -- he sees what is going wrong but can only propose a form of "Austrian" solution in response. Rodney Shakespeare. While I feel you are closer to the truth about 911 and how it was an orchestrated event more closely resembling the alternative investigation than the official one, Tim Jones is closer to getting it right about Alex Jones What Obama is doing that is pissing the Vatican Zionists off royally is shutting down the tax shelters they have been utilizing in order to shelter the corporations so they don't have to pay taxes. Figures recently revealed here in California showed that were the corporations to pay the taxes here the State would no longer be bankrupt and would have no trouble creating an economy which would support the interests of "we-the-people". Obama came into office already set up by the "stimulus package" engineered by the Bush Cabal. What Bush did in order to get the first stimulus package through that paid the bankers, was to tell Congress that if they didn't pass it, he would declare martial law. So, they passed it - I saw a video on this with a senator speaking out before it was yanked off U-Tube. And when Obama came into office, he was faced with the dilemma of either doing too little or too much. Either way the Republicans (read bankers) had him by the balls and the campaign was immediately begun to make him look bad whatever he did. Anyone who has watched the Godfather series knows the Vatican controls the corporations by the amount of stock they hold in them even though those who sit on the Boards of Directors are Zionist Jews. As revealed by David C. Korten in his book: "When Corporations Rule the World" there are 13 families comprised of about 450 people who rule the world by order of their immense wealth. Then when you throw in the money controlled by the Vatican, the biggest business in the world, you have complete control over the monetary system. Now what has changed with the election of Obama is that George Soros is now in the game with his immense amount of wealth and as a backer of Obama - so the game has changed since Soros is in favor of "open societies" and has already used his money to rescue European countries headed toward fascism. Again, important to not forget is that the Libertarian Party is really a part of the Italian Mafia. I had a very long dissertation on this sent to me by an "insider". This information disappeared when my computer crashed last year. And while I cannot remember it verbatim, I still have a lot of information in my head. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:28 AM Subject: [GJM] FW: More on: The End of Global Warming I still say that both Alex Jones and Fox News have become more "pro Republican" as well as more vicious in their reporting since Obama became President. Which is why I have been writing about how disgusted I've become with the media and this kind of "disinformation" campaign. But have also maintained all along that the bankers rule politics and anyone who thinks differently is a victim of the propaganda they put out. It's exactly like Mayer Rothchild said, give me control of the money and I don't care who controls the vote. While Obama overwhelmingly won the vote, could it be that this was what the bankers and George Soros wanted, and why they had been grooming Obama, as well as the voters, for several years in order to get a predictable outcome. There is no doubt in my mind that had John McCain won the election we would be well on our way to a Theocracy with attendant prison camps and all of the insanity that accompanied the Bush administration's agenda as directed by the powers that be. What I see that might have changed is those who pull the strings behind the Puppet. George Soros may be a much more benevolent dictator than the Rothchild/Rockefeller agenda calls for. But evidence also appears that the very dangerous Dick Cheney still has money and wields power in many circles and he is going to keep stirring the pot. With regard to Jim Hansen, I distinctly recall sending out reports on how Bush was attempting to water down Hansen's reports on global climate change, but Hansen was having no part of it, and began to hold his own press conferences in order to get the truth out. And, I have already commented on 9-11 in response to Rodney's question. The official investigation simply doesn't hold water. From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:52 PM To: mary rose Subject: Re: More on: The End of Global Warming At 12:46 PM -0700 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:48 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: The End of Global Warming I've heard and watched Alex Jones on ACTV (he lives in Austin, Texas ya know) more than I can stomach. He a libertarian anti environmentalist cherry picking conspiracy nut among other things and an hysterical fear monger. He so type A I'm surprised he hasn't had a heart attack on the air. His latest infowar fulminations, along with Michael Savage's are all about everybody losing their assault rifles. In so doing he's become a real angel to guns and ammo dealers, weaponry hoarders and gun runners for Mexican drug gangs. The guy is a menace. He also claims AGW is a hoax. On balance, if Alex Jones claims it's God's Own Truth I'm pretty sure it's nothing but a sack of horse feathers. Thus 9/11 theory has become so perverted with preposterous speculations I'm not sure we'll ever know the certain truth of it. By the way, where is the 9/11 Martial Law Police State? This is not to mention that it amounts to a serious underestimation of an enemy that flies airplanes into tall buildings and is well known to blow buildings full of people to smithereens. With regard to global climate change, what appears to me anyway, is that scientists as yet do not have enough information upon which to base definitive answers as to what is going to take place. Of course not. We've never even been near the level of greenhouse gas forcing we already have. All the sketchy evidence of past warming is prehistoric and done with proxies like ice cores, tree rings and foraminifera. I am, in particular, reminded of the incident where an enormous hunk of ice Larsen B ice shelf? Wilkins ice shelf? Etc, etc. was studied by scientists and determined to be something that would remain in place for the next 100 years. And then a short time later broke loose and floated away. I've seen the remnants of Larsen B as huge icebergs this last January, some as big city blocks floating near South Georgia Island in the Scotia Sea. In addition, based on new evidence related to ice melt, global climate change appears to be taking place much faster than anticipated. Yes. The feedbacks are more serious than some have ventured. But remember, Jim Hansen has always been alarmed. Also, black carbon derived from forest fires, agricultural burning and diesel exhaust may contribute up to 15% of the positive forcing. The resulting loss of albedo in the northern hemisphere is a serious climate feedback. Melting tundra has yet to bite us in a significant way. When it does global heating may well become a runaway effect - unstoppable. Here again Alex Jones is doing real damage. So, in all three instances, we have physical evidence of events that must be taken into consideration over and above what both scientists and the media are reporting. The vast majority of qualified scientists are convinced of AGW. I think the same could be said regarding 9/11. A few contrarian voices do not balance the scales of empirical evidence supported by the vast majority no matter how the media seeks to "balance" the news. Btw. NOBODY despises Republicans more than I do. Tim At 9:59 AM -0700 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: I always write "global climate change". But this article demonstrates how pervasive are those adept at creating "media spin" in order to obfuscate reality and turn it into propaganda. We have seen so much of this as Republicans have used this ploy in their attempt to defame President Obama and regain their control of the White House. However, the biggest spin of all was that put on issues related to the U.S. entering into the war in Iraq. And let us not forget how so many of us bought into planes hitting the World Trade Center and Pentagon as being the cause of their collapse when scientific studies conducted by qualified physicists show a different scenario. http://www.examiner.com/x-219-Denver-Weather-Examiner~y2009m5d5-The-end-of-g lobal-warming FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -- -- _____ _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemo vement.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00035.txt URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Mon May 11 12:30:28 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:30:28 -0700 Subject: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs In-Reply-To: <625418.61545.qm@web704.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <625418.61545.qm@web704.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c9d266$92818a30$b7849e90$@net> You did not read what I wrote: What I wrote is that the Libertarian Party is very closely linked to the Mafia in Italy. I did not say there was a Libertarian Party in Italy. When there is only linking, it makes it very difficult to determine who is really who and doing what. From: FixGov at yahoogroups.com [mailto:FixGov at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Kiss?ll Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:26 AM To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Just out of curiosity, what to which Italian political party are you referring? AFAIK, there is no political party in Italy whose name would translate into English as "Libertarian Party". --- On Sun, 5/10/09, mary rose > wrote: From: mary rose > Subject: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net , "FixGov at yahoogroups. com" > Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 8:07 PM And, it is my feeling we should be very careful with regard to the Libertarian Party as it is linked very closely with the Mafia in Italy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Members MARKETPLACE I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! 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Jones has a radical view of deteriorating events and opposes (a UK phrase) "the establishment". It is also erroneous to say that The Obama Deception is designed to set off explosive events. The problem is that the "explosive events" are already there in the USA and they are the worsening economic crisis which, in the 1930s, as previously pointed out, turned nearly all of Europe into fascist states. However, I notice that you also recognise the danger of martial law in the USA -- and since Jones is hot on this as well you and he are going to have to reach an accomodation...... You are also wrong to link Senator John McCain with Alex Jones. McCain is precisely one of those whom Jones opposes as part of the "establishment". Jones backs the libertarian Ron Paul. And Jones is adamantly opposed to the Freemasons and others in the financial hierarchy. He is against Illuminati, Bilderburg, Trilateral Commission, EU, Council for Foreign Relations, bankers, FoxNews, Glenn Beck and the government account of 9/11. In particular he is opposed to a single global currency, designed to achieve global control by putting everybody into ever-deepening debt. Jones is certainly a libertarian and his weakness that he does not have a truly big solution. But he is very effective in providing analysis of, and information about, the way things are moving in a negative direction. Rodney Shakespeare. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:19 PM Subject: [SPAM] [GJM] FW: How the game is played (was: More on: The End of Global Warming) I'm going to comment interspersed below. m r From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Rodney Shakespeare Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:30 AM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [GJM] FW: More on: The End of Global Warming Dear Mary, May I (a UK citizen) comment on your remark that both Alex Jones and FoxNews have become more pro-Republican? Jones's position -- see The Obama Deception -- is simply that Obama is controlled by Wall Street, lobbyists from the big corporations, Bilderburg, Trilateral Commission and the Council for Foreign Relations in exactly the same way as Bush and Clinton. And if you look at the people around Obama -- they are listed and their connections explained in The Obama Deception -- you will soon see why. mr: The Obama Deception is propaganda directed toward the Constitutionalists, the Christian Right, and the "red - necks" who can't stand to see a black man as president of their country. I know - I live in a community composed of these kinds of people. It is designed to set off explosive events which will trigger the martial law that the Zionist leaders want to see so they have the excuse to declare their dictatorship as the aforementioned rise up against Obama. It is a "wag the dog" event that is orchestrated by the Libertarians led in part by Ron Paul, and in part by John McCain as the designated leader of those in the Christian Right. Very much involved in this agenda are the Freemasons. And, as we all know, it was the Freemasons who set up the Constitution in the best interests of the wealthy men from England who were colonializing much of the world using the West Indies Company as a tool. What we know today as the USofA was only another stepping stone in their effort to "rule the world". The manipulators are also instigating in Mexico and bringing the drug wars closer to the Border here in the U.S. hoping to set off an event between the U.S. and Mexico that will require bringing in the type of guerilla warriors, e.g., Blackwater, in order to supposedly "keep the peace". But nothing could be further from their mind - a war between Mexico and the U.S. would demand more military might - more weapons - and thus provide more income for the corporations which manufacture them as they would sell them to both sides in this war as they do every other war. I know, I live very close to the Border. One of the things you fail to remember, Rodney, that I have previously written about is how the Mafias' and drug cartels of the world (with the exception of the Chinese) met in Venice, Italy on Easter Sunday in 1997 and pledged to unite and cooperate rather than fight against one another. This is an event documented by Jeffrey Robinson in a book whose title escapes me right now. But, Robinson was provided with this information by the CIA. What may seem unusual about this event is that a leading member of the Christian Right was in attendance at this event. In writing what you write here in this memo (if I may call it that) ignores the information I provided in the message I sent which was forwarded by Mark Graffis to me via another person whose name I have not disclosed and was titled: "Do the Jews Own Hollywood?" And, yes, of course they do. And they own the rest of the media including Fox News. So when you write that Alex Jones is leading Fox News, I have to laugh, because no one is going to lead the Zionists including Rush Limbaugh. Both of these guys are told exactly what they are going to say and do. It is all orchestrated by the Zionist Jews (and the Vatican including the Jesuits who lead the Christian Right around by their noses). Do you think for one minute that I believed that George Bush had become a born again Christian? Dick Cheney obviously is of the Christian Right and this is where all the ideas for the FEMA camps, etc., etc., etc., as you mention below are coming from - these are the lunatic Nazi fringe people. These boys all believe in doling out pain and sit around jacking off big time as it happens. It's the way they get their jollies and why they preach hell fire and brimstone in order to keep people scared to death. Jones is opposed to Fox News (and to the Republican leaders and the Democratic leaders) because he sees Fox -- and the leaders -- as part of the conspiracy to introduce a single global currency (which is intended to put all the world into ever-increasing debt controlled by a narrow group of bankers) and a fascist world government. It is a great mistake to see Jones as being anti-Obama as such. Jones is anti-global currency, anti-control by debt and anti-fascist world government. The apparent coming-together of Jones and Fox is happening not because Jones has moved an inch but because all the things he has long alleged (e.g. FEMA camps, 9/11, chemtrails etc) are now being increasingly believed as being true by a larger percrentage of the USA population and so Fox News is being virtually forced to change its position (which, in practice, means, towards Jones). In short, Jones is winning the argument and FoxNews is losing it. The above is all part of the "wag the dog" game which means divide and keep divided in order to conquer and keep conquered. What you need to keep in mind, Rodney is that the media here in the U.S. is controlled by the Zionists which is mainly a Jewish organization but also includes those I have named in the article forwarded about "who owns Hollywood". And, from where I sit, the Zionists also control England, Since the wealthy Englishmen paid the U.S. government to kill all the buffalo and thus rid the West of Native Americans, in order to bring beef cattle and milk cows into the U.S., the money has flowed out of this country and into Britain where the real Wall Street is housed. So the money flows from here in the U.S. into London and through the Bank of England into the Vatican as some Jews and the Vatican are in bed together along with the Jesuits and the Mormons here in the U.S. As far as I can ascertain it is the U.S. Jewish population combined with the Mormons who largely constitute AIPAC here in the U.S. But it gets very complex because you also have the drug cartels with their affiliation with many of the Latino countries and then you have the mafias with their affiliations here in the U.S. , Italy and other countries. An American reporter who knows a lot about these things is Greg Szymanski www.articbeacon.com/greg/ A lot of information can be gained via Catholic Priests who have been inside the game and are sickened by it. Some of them leave the Church and are afraid to speak out; others remain in the Church and speak out. I have in the past had contact with two of these Priests who remained within the Church but were speaking out. And, I have written before that a lot of information may be gained by watching the Godfather series. It is not all fiction believe me. I have also been here in San Diego and watched as the Catholic Diocese had to file bankruptcy due to so many child molestation cases being filed against them they were unable to pay the settlements. I have also witnessed a case in which the Church compelled a woman whose husband wanted to divorce her to turn all of her property over to him so that when he passed on the Church would gain the property and not her. And these are the good Christians we are supposed to revere and follow in the name of God -- give me a break. I don't know how many friends I have who have been molested or otherwise suffered due to the policies of the Catholic Church. Jones is also intently aware of the USA sliding towards fascism because the effects of big economic collapse have, inevitably, fascist consequences e.g., martial law, FEMA camps (already built, but always denied by Fox News), arrests (under Patriot Act legislation), and the closing of sections of the internet (this legislation has already been proposed). Jones is not the only one to say this -- in the USA, for example, Gerald Celente has a remarkable record of forecasting (perhaps the best in the world) and he agrees completely with the Jones position. Yes, Jones is an often narrow libertarian and a strong gun supporter (there has been an absolutely huge rise of late in sales of guns and ammunition in the USA) but the gun people -- I speak frankly -- see their guns as their ultimate defence against a rapidly-approaching fascism. If the global economic collapse continues, the USA (like elsewhere) will go into economic, political and social crisis. So it all gets down to whether (or not) the global economic crisis will continue -- or, somehow, disappear. If it continues, and gets worse, we should remember that, in the 1930s, ALL of the countries in Europe became fascist in some way or another. Apparent exceptions were France (but that country soon had a Vichy fascist government) and the UK. But in the UK there were plenty of people prepared to reach an accomodation with fascists (these people were in charge until well into the War when Churchill was appointed) and the forced abdication of King Edward was not really because of anti-Americanism (against Mrs Simpson) but because a lot of people realised that Edward was a potential Quisling king. Jones's big weakness is that, as a libertarian and gold supporter, he does not really have a credible solution to the economic crisis -- he sees what is going wrong but can only propose a form of "Austrian" solution in response. Rodney Shakespeare. While I feel you are closer to the truth about 911 and how it was an orchestrated event more closely resembling the alternative investigation than the official one, Tim Jones is closer to getting it right about Alex Jones What Obama is doing that is pissing the Vatican Zionists off royally is shutting down the tax shelters they have been utilizing in order to shelter the corporations so they don't have to pay taxes. Figures recently revealed here in California showed that were the corporations to pay the taxes here the State would no longer be bankrupt and would have no trouble creating an economy which would support the interests of "we-the-people". Obama came into office already set up by the "stimulus package" engineered by the Bush Cabal. What Bush did in order to get the first stimulus package through that paid the bankers, was to tell Congress that if they didn't pass it, he would declare martial law. So, they passed it - I saw a video on this with a senator speaking out before it was yanked off U-Tube. And when Obama came into office, he was faced with the dilemma of either doing too little or too much. Either way the Republicans (read bankers) had him by the balls and the campaign was immediately begun to make him look bad whatever he did. Anyone who has watched the Godfather series knows the Vatican controls the corporations by the amount of stock they hold in them even though those who sit on the Boards of Directors are Zionist Jews. As revealed by David C. Korten in his book: "When Corporations Rule the World" there are 13 families comprised of about 450 people who rule the world by order of their immense wealth. Then when you throw in the money controlled by the Vatican, the biggest business in the world, you have complete control over the monetary system. Now what has changed with the election of Obama is that George Soros is now in the game with his immense amount of wealth and as a backer of Obama - so the game has changed since Soros is in favor of "open societies" and has already used his money to rescue European countries headed toward fascism. Again, important to not forget is that the Libertarian Party is really a part of the Italian Mafia. I had a very long dissertation on this sent to me by an "insider". This information disappeared when my computer crashed last year. And while I cannot remember it verbatim, I still have a lot of information in my head. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:28 AM Subject: [GJM] FW: More on: The End of Global Warming I still say that both Alex Jones and Fox News have become more "pro Republican" as well as more vicious in their reporting since Obama became President. Which is why I have been writing about how disgusted I've become with the media and this kind of "disinformation" campaign. But have also maintained all along that the bankers rule politics and anyone who thinks differently is a victim of the propaganda they put out. It's exactly like Mayer Rothchild said, give me control of the money and I don't care who controls the vote. While Obama overwhelmingly won the vote, could it be that this was what the bankers and George Soros wanted, and why they had been grooming Obama, as well as the voters, for several years in order to get a predictable outcome. There is no doubt in my mind that had John McCain won the election we would be well on our way to a Theocracy with attendant prison camps and all of the insanity that accompanied the Bush administration's agenda as directed by the powers that be. What I see that might have changed is those who pull the strings behind the Puppet. George Soros may be a much more benevolent dictator than the Rothchild/Rockefeller agenda calls for. But evidence also appears that the very dangerous Dick Cheney still has money and wields power in many circles and he is going to keep stirring the pot. With regard to Jim Hansen, I distinctly recall sending out reports on how Bush was attempting to water down Hansen's reports on global climate change, but Hansen was having no part of it, and began to hold his own press conferences in order to get the truth out. And, I have already commented on 9-11 in response to Rodney's question. The official investigation simply doesn't hold water. From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:52 PM To: mary rose Subject: Re: More on: The End of Global Warming At 12:46 PM -0700 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:48 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: The End of Global Warming I've heard and watched Alex Jones on ACTV (he lives in Austin, Texas ya know) more than I can stomach. He a libertarian anti environmentalist cherry picking conspiracy nut among other things and an hysterical fear monger. He so type A I'm surprised he hasn't had a heart attack on the air. His latest infowar fulminations, along with Michael Savage's are all about everybody losing their assault rifles. In so doing he's become a real angel to guns and ammo dealers, weaponry hoarders and gun runners for Mexican drug gangs. The guy is a menace. He also claims AGW is a hoax. On balance, if Alex Jones claims it's God's Own Truth I'm pretty sure it's nothing but a sack of horse feathers. Thus 9/11 theory has become so perverted with preposterous speculations I'm not sure we'll ever know the certain truth of it. By the way, where is the 9/11 Martial Law Police State? This is not to mention that it amounts to a serious underestimation of an enemy that flies airplanes into tall buildings and is well known to blow buildings full of people to smithereens. With regard to global climate change, what appears to me anyway, is that scientists as yet do not have enough information upon which to base definitive answers as to what is going to take place. Of course not. We've never even been near the level of greenhouse gas forcing we already have. All the sketchy evidence of past warming is prehistoric and done with proxies like ice cores, tree rings and foraminifera. I am, in particular, reminded of the incident where an enormous hunk of ice Larsen B ice shelf? Wilkins ice shelf? Etc, etc. was studied by scientists and determined to be something that would remain in place for the next 100 years. And then a short time later broke loose and floated away. I've seen the remnants of Larsen B as huge icebergs this last January, some as big city blocks floating near South Georgia Island in the Scotia Sea. In addition, based on new evidence related to ice melt, global climate change appears to be taking place much faster than anticipated. Yes. The feedbacks are more serious than some have ventured. But remember, Jim Hansen has always been alarmed. Also, black carbon derived from forest fires, agricultural burning and diesel exhaust may contribute up to 15% of the positive forcing. The resulting loss of albedo in the northern hemisphere is a serious climate feedback. Melting tundra has yet to bite us in a significant way. When it does global heating may well become a runaway effect - unstoppable. Here again Alex Jones is doing real damage. So, in all three instances, we have physical evidence of events that must be taken into consideration over and above what both scientists and the media are reporting. The vast majority of qualified scientists are convinced of AGW. I think the same could be said regarding 9/11. A few contrarian voices do not balance the scales of empirical evidence supported by the vast majority no matter how the media seeks to "balance" the news. Btw. NOBODY despises Republicans more than I do. Tim At 9:59 AM -0700 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: I always write "global climate change". But this article demonstrates how pervasive are those adept at creating "media spin" in order to obfuscate reality and turn it into propaganda. We have seen so much of this as Republicans have used this ploy in their attempt to defame President Obama and regain their control of the White House. However, the biggest spin of all was that put on issues related to the U.S. entering into the war in Iraq. 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When there is only linking, it makes it very difficult to determine who is really who and doing what. From: FixGov at yahoogroups.com [mailto:FixGov at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Kiss?ll Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:26 AM To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Just out of curiosity, what to which Italian political party are you referring? AFAIK, there is no political party in Italy whose name would translate into English as "Libertarian Party". --- On Sun, 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: From: mary rose Subject: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net, "FixGov at yahoogroups. com" Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 8:07 PM And, it is my feeling we should be very careful with regard to the Libertarian Party as it is linked very closely with the Mafia in Italy. 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That money is never accounted for. Yet what seems to be forgotten now is that $3 trillion was missing from the defense budget in 2007 - 8 and totally unaccounted for. Where did it go? Indeed as you point out here, the task of getting two airliners full of people together and flying them into buildings is a task unto itself. And don't forget about the plane that supposedly went into the Pentagon. And, wasn't there another plane that supposedly crashed somewhere but left only a crater with almost no plane fragments visible. This really took some engineering. So, to have created devices that were wired to the 47 supports in each of three buildings and set to go off at the right time appear to me to be "a piece of cake" compared to everything else. And, one of the big questions for me is as to why, if we are supposed to have such a fabulous defense system in place, no interceptor planes were ever alerted. And, it seems to me that the planes were flown by remote control given the information that the supposed pilots were trained only to fly small aircraft and not giant airliners. There is also evidence that one of the supposed pilots is alive. Also in the beginning the event was blamed on Al Queda, but then it turns out that all of the supposed pilots were Arabic. There are just too many loose ends here the same as there were in President Kennedy's assassination, yet almost no one is asking the questions that need to be asked. From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:16 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: FW: [GJM] FW: FW: Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit byan airliner Let's see. Some group of Bush/Cheney operatives plant explosives or thermite bombs in every World Trade Center building. Then they get someone, somehow (remote control?) to fly two large airliners full of people and aviation fuel to crash into two of the buildings confident the horrific crashes won't disturb the placement of the explosives. After the crash sites are raging infernos they set off the explosives at the exact spots the airplanes crashed into the buildings to make the buildings fall down so it would look like the airplanes did it. Pretty clever. To think that out what would have to be a vast conspiracy that everyone could keep the secret, no-one would spill the beans and pick up a fortune is preposterous. Large volumes of hydrocarbon fuel burn hot enough to soften structural steel enough for the construction it supports to collapse. Henceforth please omit me from further discussion on this topic. Tim Jones At 7:07 AM -0700 5/11/09, mary rose wrote: From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Rodney Shakespeare Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:58 AM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [GJM] FW: FW: Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit byan airliner Dear Mary, I am grateful to you for your very full reply on the collapse of the Towers on 9/11. As regards Tower Number Seven ( which was not hit by an airliner yet suddenly collapsed into its own foot print) there are four incredible coincidences- a) nothing like that had ever happened before 9/11 b) nothing like that has happened since 9/11 c) the collapse was announced (by the BBC) half an hour before it actually happened d) the collapse happened on 9/11 itself One coincidence is coincidence; two is happenstance; three is bad luck; and four is .......... There is one explanation which fits all the known facts, phenomena and witness acounts. It is that a section (or more) of the American government became aware that something was being planned and then took steps to ensure that, if it happened, it would happen in a big way -- as it did. Would you please forward this email to Tim Jones for me? Thankyou. Rodney Shakespeare. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 2:09 AM Subject: [GJM] FW: FW: Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit byan airliner Thanks, Bob. From: Robert Ocegueda [mailto:bocegueda at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 5:24 PM To: mary rose Subject: Re: FW: [GJM] Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner Here's a link to a web page from the Bentham Open Access website, The Open Chemical Physics Journal. All articles published here are peer reviewed, which means that the studies are serious. http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7 TOCPJ.SGM You can download a PDF of the study showing the methodology and results. Any doubts should be cleared. Bob mary rose wrote: Rodney, this is a very good question. And my answer is that the cause was from demolition charges just as was the collapse of the two other towers. While I am not a close follower of the 9-11 event, I do sit here and read hundreds and hundreds of e-mails that pass over my desktop weekly, only a few of which I forward. And I have read that "thermite" which indicates demolition methods were used to bring down the towers has been found in the ground which surrounded the buildings even though, as I wrote before, the debris was quickly removed and sold to Japan. In addition, most post 9-11 investigations reveal that the fuel aboard the jet liners would not have burned hot enough to have melted the 47 steel columns that supported each of the towers. And, if the fire from the fuel aboard the planes was the cause, the buildings would not have come down in a straight fall as you note in your message did Tower 7. The other two towers made straight falls as well. And there are plenty of pictures available showing how the towers fell. Another factor that has not been mentioned here, and I have seen little mention of it since the months following the event, is the money that was stored in vaults in the centers, if I recall correctly, belonging to Chase Manhattan Bank. And as well the money involved in insurance payments, etc. Just a few days prior to the event, Larry Silverstein had signed lease papers for the two towers, and some retail space. He already held a lease agreement on other property adjacent to the towers including Tower 7. He is now attempting to claim "double benefits" by claiming that since two planes were involved in the "accident" he should receive over $7 billion in payments rather than the $3.something that the insurers are willing to pay under a single event scenario. There is also an unanswered question as to why many of the employees who worked in the buildings did not show up for work that day. Then there is also a large amount of evidence that the plane that supposedly went into the Pentagon was not a plane at all, but more likely a missile. Considering everything that has been published on the event, with all the evidence agreeing, something certainly was amiss on that day. There is even evidence that the pilots who had supposedly flown the planes had not had access to the type of training that would have given them the ability to fly them, let alone being able to make the type of turns required to direct them into the buildings. There is also evidence of time to have gotten U.S. military interceptor aircraft off the ground in order intercept these planes was available. So, why were they "standing down"? From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Rodney Shakespeare Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:22 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Subject: [GJM] Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner Dear Mary (Rose), What is your and Tim Jones's view on the collapse (into its own footprint) of World Trade Center Tower Number Seven? Tower Number Seven was not hit by an airliner. I find it very strange that people always talk about the North and South Towers (both hit by airliners) but omit to discuss the most remarkable thing of all -- Tower Number Seven, a modern building, which collapsed into its own footprint. This has never happenend before or since. Why is that? Thankyou. Rodney Shakespeare. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:46 PM Subject: [GJM] More on: The End of Global Warming From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:48 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: The End of Global Warming Planes did hit both World Trade Center buildings. I would be surprised if huge airliners full of aviation fuel would NOT cause the buildings to collapse. Alex Jones is a total, and dangerous fraud. A few crackpot physicists and their theories have not prevailed. Climate change skeptic physicists don't prevail either. Tim Tim, thanks for your comments. I agree with you re: Alex Jones at present, but I also have to note from my perspective that Jones played a useful role in exposing the antics of the Bush cabal while Bush was in office. So, am wondering what has changed to bring Jones more on the side of Rush Limbaugh today? Ownership of Fox News perhaps? However, it is not just Alex Jones who has reported that planes loaded with fuel could not have been the cause of the Trade Center buildings collapse, but many physicists like BYU Professor Stephen Jones who was placed on paid administrative leave for questioning the cause of the Trade Center Building collapse. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148 &sid=476951 Or, of well- recognized theologian David Ray Griffin, who initially scoffing at the idea, turned supporter of the 9-11 alternative investigation when looking at, and seriously considering the findings of the professionals involved in the unauthorized investigation. Griffin is the Editor of New York State University "SUNY Series in Constructive Post-Modern Thought" whose Introduction to this series appears in Dr. Jay Earley's book: "Transforming Human Culture: Social Evolution and the Planetary Crisis" Dr. Griffin is seriously involved in the study of human consciousness, and not someone who could be termed: "a crackpot" by any stretch of the imagination. There have also been quite a few respected former military officers who have come forward as supporters of the alternative 9-11 investigation. And as well some of the firefighters involved at the scene. Please Google for this information. Soon after this event occurred, I was invited to a meeting called by the sister of a fireman who had lost his life there. She and her finance had been flown to New York with many other relatives of those losing their lives. My own intuitive thoughts at the time were that this was an "inside job" even prior to any news releases. And, at this meeting, my thoughts were further reinforced by the feelings of this woman and her finance after having been in New York and at the scene. One of the leading questions re: this event is as to why all of the residue left by the collapse of the buildings was gathered up and taken out of the country where it could not be scientifically examined for explosive residue by third party experts. Also providing substantial evidence for the 911 conspiracy theory is Fred Burks, a former translator for President George W. Bush. Fred resigned his position and began to speak out in the form of his "Want to Know" series. More on Fred Burks may be found on Fred's website as well as more about the alternative 911 investigation as revealed by Burks : www.wanttoknow.info/aboutus Burks resignation was also reported by the Washington Post www.wanttoknow.info/fredburksresigns Fred was a member of the Co-learner's list for quite awhile before putting up his current website. And in our early years we were to learn quite a bit from the inside information provided by Fred. With regard to global climate change, what appears to me anyway, is that scientists as yet do not have enough information upon which to base definitive answers as to what is going to take place. I am, in particular, reminded of the incident where an enormous hunk of ice was studied by scientists and determined to be something that would remain in place for the next 100 years. And then a short time later broke loose and floated away. In addition, based on new evidence related to ice melt, global climate change appears to be taking place much faster than anticipated. So, in all three instances, we have physical evidence of events that must be taken into consideration over and above what both scientists and the media are reporting. At 9:59 AM -0700 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: I always write "global climate change". But this article demonstrates how pervasive are those adept at creating "media spin" in order to obfuscate reality and turn it into propaganda. We have seen so much of this as Republicans have used this ploy in their attempt to defame President Obama and regain their control of the White House. However, the biggest spin of all was that put on issues related to the U.S. entering into the war in Iraq. And let us not forget how so many of us bought into planes hitting the World Trade Center and Pentagon as being the cause of their collapse when scientific studies conducted by qualified physicists show a different scenario. http://www.examiner.com/x-219-Denver-Weather-Examiner~y2009m5d5-The-end-of-g lobal-warming FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -- _____ _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemo vement.net _____ _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemo vement.net Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:ATT00017.txt (TEXT/ttxt) (01530C59) -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brock_moore at accountant.com Fri May 8 14:53:38 2009 From: brock_moore at accountant.com (Brock Moore) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:53:38 -0500 Subject: [GJM] FW: "Web of Debt": The Inner Workings of the Monetary System Message-ID: <20090508205338.EEA181158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> "This is one of the best articles I have seen on how the monetary system really works and its history." ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ It is actually one of the worst articles I have seen on how the monetary system really works and its history. I won't dwell on Mr. Lendman's numerous grammatical and spelling errors, such as continually misspelling principal as the word pertains to finance with an "le" instead of the proper "al." Virtually every sentence in the article contains a gross misstatement of fact. I'll criticize briefly only a few of them: "Brown's book explains that: "-- the Federal Reserve isn't federal; it's a private banking cartel owned by its major bank members in 12 Fed districts..." ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ As my source for the information in this reply I refer you to the article by Thomas Woodward of the Congressional Research Service Library of Congress, which is archived at http://www.geocities.com/new_economics/woodward-money_and_the_federal_reserve_system.txt and to a faqs page from the Federal Reserve at http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm#5 The Federal Reserve Board is a federal agency and its employees are federal employees. The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks are not federal agencies but are not owned by anyone. They are special entities created by Congress. The fact that their "stock" is held by their member banks does not convey the meaning that the word would imply if the regional banks were private corporations. Every bank that is a member of the Federal Reserve regional bank holds stock in the regional bank that is proportional to its capital, but has just one vote toward electing directors of the regional bank, regardless of its size. If it were like stock in a private corporation, the vote would be proportional to the amount of stock held. The Federal Reserve Board appoints three directors of each regional bank, including the regional bank's chairman and vice-chairman. The stock is not marketable, but must be returned to the regional bank if it leaves the system. It is not stock in the ordinary meaning of the word. It does not convey rights of ownership but is rather like a membership card that is held as a condition of membership in the regional bank. Profit made by the regional bank is not distributed to the stockholders, who are paid a fixed six percent dividend. In this respect the regional bank stock is more like a bond than stock. But it is a bond that has no market value, inasmuch as it cannot be sold. - "-- since Andrew Jackson's presidency (1829 - 1837), the federal debt hasn't been paid, only the interest - to private bankers and other owners of US obligations..." ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ Every single security ever issued by the Treasury of the United States has been redeemed when due. This fact is almost unique among the nations of the world. - "-- the 16th Amendment authorized Congress to levy an income tax; it was done "to coerce (the public) to pay interest to the banks on the federal debt..." ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ This is just pure crank conspiracy theory. The amount that the Internal Revenue Service collects in taxes is more than twice the amount paid by the government for interest. - "Prior to the Fed's creation, the House of Morgan was dominant in contrast to the early colonists' model. Operating out of Philadelphia, the nation's first capital, it favored state-issued and loaned out money, collecting the interest, and "return(ing) it to the provincial government" in lieu of taxes. "Lincoln used the same system to finance the Civil War, after which he was assassinated and bankers reclaimed their money-issuing power." ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ No, it wasn't the same system. It was totally different. The Pennsylvania system was a government owned land bank, which loaned money into existence and was paid interest for the service. Lincoln's system was to spend Greenbacks into circulation. But it is somewhat inappropriate to call it a "system." The spending of Greenbacks constituted only 11% of federal government expenditure. It was an expedient to sustain the government during time of war. - Wall Street's "silent coup (was) the passage of the (1913) Federal Reserve Act," the most destructive ever congressional legislation, thereafter extracting a huge toll amounting to permanent debt bondage with national wealth transference from the public to private bankers - with most people none the wiser. ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ Nothing much changed with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act. Very much the same banking system that existed since the Civil War was continued. The National Bank Acts essentially prohibited the state banks from issuing currency. Each of the national banks issued banknotes that were standardized in form and appearance as national currency. With the Federal Reserve Act the issuing of currency became the monopoly of the regional federal reserve banks. The theorem that bank loans create bank deposits did not change with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act. - "Ever since, it's controlled the nation and public by entrapment in permanent debt bondage, and they do it through the Federal Reserve that's neither federal nor has reserves." ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ The Federal Reserve is both federal and has reserves, but the term reserves pertains more to the reserves it holds for its member banks. It is federal because the Federal Reserve Board is a federal agency, and its employees are federal employees. The entire system is federal because the Federal Reserve Board is the supervising agency. - "The US 'money supply is the federal debt and cannot exist without it. (To) keep money in the system, some major player has to incur substantial debt that never gets paid back; and this role is played by the federal government.'" ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ This overemphasizes the role of the federal government in the process. The theorem is that loans create deposits. Inasmuch as most transactions are conducted through the transfer of bank deposits, we call them "money." Loans are made to the government, but most loans are made to private parties, including businesses and households. - Let me comment on the supposed quotations from Benjamin Franklin that British monetary policy was the cause of the Revolution. These quotations were concoctions by the Greenbackers, many decades after Franklin's death. Franklin was a member of the Committee of Five, which drafted the Declaration of Independence. This supposed cause for the Revolution was not enumerated in the Declaration of Independence as a justification for the rebellion. - "Charging excessive interest is called "usury," but originally it meant charging anything for the use of money. The Christian Bible banned it..." ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ Actually, it is not banned in the Bible. - Lendman concludes his tirade with a notorious bogus quote from Lincoln: "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few and the Republic is destroyed." ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ "These words did not originate with Abraham Lincoln, however--they appear in none of his collected writings or speeches, and they did not surface until more than twenty years after his death (and were immediately denounced as a 'bold, unflushing forgery' by John Nicolay, Lincoln's private secretary.)" http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln.asp Brock Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: "mary rose" To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net, "FixGov at yahoogroups. com" Subject: [GJM] FW: "Web of Debt": The Inner Workings of the Monetary System Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:09:27 -0700 This is one of the best articles I have seen on how the monetarysystem really works and its history.? Thank you Loren for getting this information to us. As long as this system is in effect, a president’s handsare really tied and he is virtually held hostage by the bankers. m r ? From: lawrence kiely[mailto:topdownyoga at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:36 PM To: lawrence kiely Subject: “Web of Debt”: The Inner Workings of the MonetarySystem “Web ofDebt”: The Inner Workings of the Monetary System http://www.infowars.com/web-of-debt-the-inner-workings-of-the-monetary-system/ -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From ceasig at gmail.com Sat May 9 00:58:39 2009 From: ceasig at gmail.com (Centre For Ecological Audit, Social Inclusion & Governance) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:28:39 +0530 Subject: [GJM] FW: "Web of Debt": The Inner Workings of the Monetary System In-Reply-To: <001801c9cf92$cb1362f0$613a28d0$@net> References: <001801c9cf92$cb1362f0$613a28d0$@net> Message-ID: <31f677a30905082358w3f7baf5el5d30f49ba81836b7@mail.gmail.com> Webword connecting men and women globally appears to have pleny of communication products arguing for the adoption on interest free banking and debt free money creations. An interesting story, that I happened to view on Utube is that JAK bank from Sweden. But it is very interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjpg_fcqZfU Dr.Mukhtar Alam On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:39 AM, mary rose wrote: > This is one of the best articles I have seen on how the monetary system > really works and its history. > > Thank you Loren for getting this information to us. > > As long as this system is in effect, a president?s hands are really tied > and he is virtually held hostage by the bankers. > > m r > > > > *From:* lawrence kiely [mailto:topdownyoga at gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:36 PM > *To:* lawrence kiely > *Subject:* ?Web of Debt?: The Inner Workings of the Monetary System > > > > > > ?Web of Debt?: The Inner Workings of the Monetary System > > > > > > > > > http://www.infowars.com/web-of-debt-the-inner-workings-of-the-monetary-system/ > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net > > http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net > > -- Endeavoring for ecological safety ,social inclusion and distributive justice for the renewable resource based livelihoods and habitats, Centre For Ecological Audit, Social Inclusion and Governance (CEASIG) , an initiative of Labour League Foundation, Sewa and Sufi Trust , Delhi aims for socially inclusive and ecologically safe future for all through organizing and communicating fcarbon neutral neighborhood discussions/ consultations, building capacities in ecological audit, ecologically safe networking ,advocacy, interfaith dialogue & other related domains for multiplying personal, community , governmental and corporate actions for ecologically safe education, ecological audit ,and, ecologically safe and socially inclusive governance best practices Contact Details: 58-C,DDA Flats, Ashok Vihar-III, Delhi-110052 Phones: 9968345380,9210490942 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sun May 10 19:07:19 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:07:19 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Message-ID: <008101c9d1d4$d7b9cdc0$872d6940$@net> Many of the answers to our questions in the past several messages may well lie within the context of this one. But again I would caution that we cannot put all Jews in the Zionist box. However, from what I have observed from all of my research over the past 17 years, I would include with the Zionists: the Vatican, the Jesuits, some members of the Christian Right, and many of the Mormon Faith. along with the British Monarchy and the Church of England, as well as the Mafia operating in Italy, Russia and the United States. So, we are not dealing with Jews specifically, but others who benefit from following the Zionist creed. And, it is my feeling we should be very careful with regard to the Libertarian Party as it is linked very closely with the Mafia in Italy. The Zionists appear to be descendants of the Kurgans who emerged out of the Russian Steppe Region sometime in the Neolithic Age. It is possible that their lineage may be traced directly back to the Nephilim of the Bible and as revealed by Zecharia Sitchin in his translations of the Sumerian Tablets, and recorded in his many books. While the Vatican has long attempted to suppress the Sumerian Tablets, with Sitchin being invited as the keynote speaker at the Whole Consciousness Expo this year, coupled with the thousands of people now conducting investigation into not only the Tablets but the history surrounding them, this information cannot be withheld from the general public any longer. Particularly when we now view photos of crop circles indicating the presence of Extraterrestrials as any everyday occurrence. Denial is not a river in Egypt. Begin forwarded message: From: "Mark Graffis" Date: May 10, 2009 6:09:51 AM GMT-06:00 To: Subject: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs ----- Original Message ----- From: RadicalPress To: RADICAL PRESS Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:15 AM Subject: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs http://www.radicalpress.com/?p=1012 Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs The 6 Day War started by Israel on June 5th, 1967 was then embellished with Zionist propaganda in Zionist-controlled News Media such as LOOK magazine in this Front Page issue of Nov. 14, 1967 ____________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________ http://www.powerofprophecy.com Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs May 9, 2009 Texe Marrs ______________ Do the Zionist Jews own Hollywood and the media? Are they using the media to mold and shape American opinion by constantly injecting Zionist propaganda and bias into news programs, movies, television shows, even children's cartoons and entertainment? The answer is so blatantly "Yes!" that you wouldn't think these questions are even worth pursuing. But recently, the untoward comments of a patriot talk show host made me stop and rethink it. Are there people out there-even in the Patriot Movement-who really are that much in the dark, who deny Jewish influence in the media? Recently, when a caller to a talk show on the Genesis Radio Network suggested that the Jews control the media, the host went wild. He raged on and on, playing the race card. He branded the surprised caller and others like him who are weary of Zionist influence "Nazis" and "anti-Semites." Angrily, he denied Jewish involvement in any conspiracies and ridiculed those who had the audacity to suggest that Jews run Hollywood or the media. Then, in a real fit of spewed venom, the talk show host demanded that the caller and all others who believe like him should go out and hang themselves to promote population reduction. As if that wasn't hateful enough, the pro-Zionist host then stated that all the "Nazis and Anti-Semites" who opposed Zionism and the Jews should plug in an electric toaster, hold it to their naked bodies, jump into a bathtub filled with water, and have a party." In other words, kill themselves. Quite a rampage by the supposedly "patriot" talk show host. And all because the poor caller had dared to propose undue Jewish influence over the media. Hearing the actual taped broadcast of this unbelievable tirade by a pro-Zionist advocate confirmed my resolve to inform good folks once again of the truly dictatorial grip that Zionist Jews have on the media. The best way to do this is not to rage and spew venom, but simply to present the facts, to document the truth of Jewish control of the media. What Do Knowledgeable Jews Say? How about going to top Jews in the media themselves and see what they say? Take Joel Stein, for example, columnist for the Los Angeles Times newspaper and regular contributor to Time magazine. In his column in the LA Times (Dec. 19, 2008), Stein says that Americans who think the Jews do not control Hollywood and the media are just plain "dumb." "Jews totally run Hollywood." Stein proudly admits. He then goes on to provide a long, long list of Hollywood/media chieftains-all Jews!-to prove his point. On his list: Fox News President Peter Chernin; Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey; Walt Disney CEO Robert Igor; Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton; Warner Brothers Chairman Barry Meyer; CBS CEO Leslie Moonves; MGM Chairman Harry Sloan; and NBC/Universal Studios CEO Jeff Zucker. That's just the top brass at the studios. Then there are the actors and entertainers-predominantly Jews, from Barbara Streisand and Gwyneth Paltrow to Tom Hanks and Ben Afleck. Jew Jew and Jew again. As Stein wryly remarks, even the head of the Actors' Union, the Screen Actors Guild, Alan Rosenberg, is a Jew. "The Jews are so dominant," writes Stein, "I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies." "But lo and behold," Stein says, "even one of that six, AMC President Charles Collier, turned out to be a Jew!" "As a proud Jew," says Joel Stein, "I want America to know of our accomplishment. Yes, we control Hollywood." ADL's Foxman Admits Jewish Control ADL, the Anti-Defamation League is one arm of the International Zionist Secret Society known as B'nai Brith ____________________________________________________________________________ _____________ Stein says he then called Abe Foxman, Chairman of the Jewish ADL, to ask him, why don't more Jews just come out and boast at this great accomplishment? Foxman responded by admitting that yes, it's true that most of the top execs "happen to be Jewish." In fact, Foxman told Stein, "all eight major film studios are run by men who happen to be Jewish." Ben Stein (no relation to Joel), the well-known Jewish actor, economic commentator and writer, when asked "Do Jews run Hollywood?" stared blankly at the questioner, then retorted, "You bet they do-and what of it?" Shahar Ilan, writing in www.haaretz.com, the internet division of Israel's top daily newspaper, commented, "The Jews do control the American media. This is very clear, and claiming otherwise is an insult to common knowledge." Neal Gabler, also a Jew and a noted media researcher, wrote an entire book outlining Jewish control of Hollywood. It was entitled, An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood. But to really see how the Jews, in their own publications and press, view the reality of Jewish control of the media, all one has to do is take a look at a recent issue of the Jewish Daily Forward, which featured an article entitled, "Billionaire Boychiks Battle for Media Empire." Billionaire Jews Battle for Media This fascinating, look-see article discussed how the Jews had for decades owned the media and now were competing; that is, vying, to buy one of America's most powerful media companies, Tribune Company, which owns 23 television stations, a baseball team, and many major newspapers, including the Chicago Tribune and the Los Angeles Times. "However, it turns out," gloated the Jewish mag, "we'll have a Jew in charge of the (LA) Times, which was once one of old Los Angeles' most famous WASP (White Anglo Saxon Protestant) institutions. What a great day for old LA Jews" The publication noted that among the Jewish billionaires ("boychiks") vying for the Tribune media empire is "Liberal, Jewish, media mogul David Geffen." And who, pray tell, is the current owner of the Tribune Company? Why, that would be Jewish billionaire Sam Zell. Zell is a major donor to Israeli, Zionist and Jewish causes. His own rabbi proudly reports that Zell is "a committed Zionist, a generous supporter of Israel, and a member in good standing of the synagogue." Asked who his own favorite newspaper columnists were, Zell quickly answered, "Charles Krauthammer, Thomas Friedman, and David Brooks." Surprise! The trio are all ardent Zionist whack-jobs who clamor over each other demanding the U.S. attack Iran, provide billions more in foreign aid to favored nation Israel, and so forth. Local Newspapers Owned by Foreign Agents So powerful is the Jewish control over the media that Nathanael Kapner, a rare Jew who converted to Christianity and now is adept at reporting these things, asserts that no longer can we trust our local daily newspaper. "Zionist Jews have taken over the 'local newspaper' in America," Kapner writes. Indeed he explains that there basically is no local newspaper anymore, because, "Most local newspapers are owned by companies controlled by Zionists whose offices are hundreds of miles away." Please visit: http://www.realzionistnews.com _______________________________________________ Kapner provides manifold evidence of Zionists' dominating control of the media at all levels. The Newhouse Empire of the Jewish brothers Samuel, Donald, and Theodore Newhouse, Kapner says, "illustrates the insatiable appetite for opinion control:" "Today, the Newhouse Empire owns 40 local newspapers across the U.S.A. These include the Newark Star Ledger, the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Portland Oregonian, and the St. Louis Globe-Democrat." Then, there are the vast array of magazines run by the Jewish Newhouse family-including the New Yorker, Vogue, Golf Digest, Glamour, Gentleman's Quarterly (GQ), and the massively circulated newspaper insert, Parade magazine. Jewish Media Spew Out Pro-Zionist Propaganda The fact that Zionists control virtually every media outlet in America is no doubt why the American citizenry hears only one version of events in the Middle East-the pro-Jew, pro-Israeli side. This led Dr. Kevin MacDonald, professor at California State University, to write: "In the contemporary world, organized American Jewish lobbying groups and deeply committed Jews in the media are behind the pro-Israel U.S. foreign policy that is leading to war against virtually the entire Arab world." This Zionist bias and propaganda spin by the Jewish-owned American media is not new. As far back as 1978, the noted Jewish political writer Alfred Lillienthal, in his revealing book, The Zionist Connection, stated: "The most effective component of Jewish connection is probably that of media control. It is well known that American opinion molders have long been largely influenced by a handful of powerful newspapers, including the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the St. Louis-Post Dispatch (All Jewish Families)." To further illustrate the breadth of Jewish media control, we note that Jewish magnate Arthur Sulzberger's media empire today includes not only the New York Times (which, in Stalin's day, systematically covered up the genocidal crimes of Jewish commissars in Communist U.S.S.R), but also the Boston Globe, the Lexington Dispatch (NC), the Gainesville Sun (FL), the Ocala Star Banner (FL), the Tuscaloosa News (AL), the Spartansburg Herald Journal (SC), and the Santa Barbara News Press (CA). Each of the newspapers Lillienthal mentioned back in 1978, in turn, owned and still owns dozens of others. So tainted is the news because of this that almost every newspaper in America endorsed President George Bush's radically pro-Israel policies in the Middle East, including Israel's savage butchery of Lebanon and Palestine. There can be no doubt. It is easy for us to document the massive dominance over the media by evil Jewish shills who are continually hostile to pure American interests while, everyday, unabashedly spewing out reams of misleading Zionist propaganda. Time magazine, Newsweek, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX-and many, many more are all owned or run by Jews and operated solely to further the aims of the traitorous, anti-American, ever-growing Zionist World Empire. All America is in the Grip of the Hidden, Red Iron Fist of Zionism Of course, the media, even as important as it is to our culture, is only a bit piece of the whole that is now, regrettably, under the big thumbs of the Jewish Zionist elite. Our educational establishment, Wall Street, the banks, the Federal Reserve, our Congress, the White House (just consider Rahm Emanuel, the Zionist Israeli freak who is Obama's White House Chief of Staff), and our judiciary-each and every one is infiltrated by Zionist radicals who put Israel and their own "Chosen People" first, to the detriment of everything sacred to honest, God-fearing, hard-working Americans. So, the next time you hear some ignorant rube on talk radio or elsewhere shoving the race card in your face and ranting and raving about "Nazis" and "anti-Semites" who "claim" the Jews control the media, why don't you just reach out and turn that radio dial to another place. And please, don't forget to also let the radio network and station manager know of your displeasure. The fact is that the dishonest Zionist shills out there promoting Zionist lies, drivel, and nonsense truly deserve our contempt. The Truth is Precious As for Texe Marrs and Power of Prophecy, we have long pledged ourselves to telling you the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. And part of that truth, simply put, is this: That yes, absolutely, Zionist Jews do own and control Hollywood and the media. So beware of their lies and deceit. The truth is precious. Let us work together to protect and nurture it. ----- Texe Marrs, Author and Researcher may be contacted at http://www.powerofprophecy.com -- >From the desk of mary rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From releyes at gmail.com Mon May 11 14:01:26 2009 From: releyes at gmail.com (Dr. Rima Laibow) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:01:26 -0500 Subject: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs In-Reply-To: <001601c9d266$92818a30$b7849e90$@net> References: <625418.61545.qm@web704.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001601c9d266$92818a30$b7849e90$@net> Message-ID: <503a10ac0905111301j2b8db53fj8b362c84c2f5c0a8@mail.gmail.com> Am I the only person that this rampant upsurge in anti-semitism bothers? Why is that? A headline like "Do the Jews Own Hollywood and the Media" can be seen as nothing short of an inflammatory call toward group hatred. It is called "Jew Baiting" and has a long history: when something is wrong with the State, the tactic of the state is to hate. Jews usually are the first targets, but it could be any "other" which is convenient. I fully support the invesigation and propagation of information about the Illuminati, Bildebergers, etc., etc. Let's be clear here: this type of hate mongering (sorry, that is exactly what it is, no matter how you rationalize it) is the fruit of a successful divide and conquer strategy by the very people whom we want to expose. Do you really think that the synagogues and temples of the Jews of Los Angeles, and the homes of the people who, like me, never go to synagogues or temples, are filled with talk of bringing down the US or how to deploy the media? How very foolish and naive! They are filled with the same conversations as churches, mosques and homes everywhere: finances, friends and family. Let's remember the concept of being the change we want to see. I personally would like to live in a world of mutual respect and clear-sighted honesty, not group-bashing and state controlled poverty. Please, Mary Rose, act as a responsible moderator and refuse to let your outstanding forum become a bill board for the scrawlings of those who build fear and loathing when they should be building scaffolds of light. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org www.HealthFreedomUSA.org On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM, mary rose wrote: > You did not read what I wrote: What I wrote is that the Libertarian > Party is very closely linked to the Mafia in Italy. > > I did not say there was a Libertarian Party in Italy. When there is only > linking, it makes it very difficult to determine who is really who and doing > what. > > > > *From:* FixGov at yahoogroups.com [mailto:FixGov at yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf > Of *Rick Kiss?ll > *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2009 7:26 AM > *To:* FixGov at yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 332 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rodney.shakespeare1 at btopenworld.com Mon May 11 14:22:09 2009 From: rodney.shakespeare1 at btopenworld.com (Rodney Shakespeare) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:22:09 +0100 Subject: [GJM] : Collapse of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner References: <004001c9d270$eb366330$c1a32990$@net> Message-ID: <02e001c9d276$29ec84b0$0301a8c0@your447023ae6b> Re: FW: [GJM] FW: FW: Collpase of Towerr Number Seven whicMary, 1. I note that Tim Jones has refused to respond about Tower Number Seven. 2. It makes sense to say that, on 9/11, an al Quaeda plan -- fly airliners into towers -- was put into operation but that it was known about (by Cheney and co) beforehand. They then put some things into place to ensure that the plan happened as planned -- as it did. . Though, of course, no plane flew into Tower Number Seven......... -- it was just deliberately demolished. Rodney shakespeare. PS. I simply do not believe that American architects and engineers construct buildings which collapse into their own footprint. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:44 PM Subject: [GJM] FW: FW: FW: FW: Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was nothit byan airliner Tim, I don't believe that it was a group of Bush/Cheney operatives, but a well planned espionage type of event using some of the incredible technology available to those involved in espionage today and directed by those who are the "string pullers behind Bush and Cheney. Last year there were reports of the complete vaporization of a building with people in it in Asia somewhere, but no information as to whom had manufactured and set off the device. We the people have absolutely no idea of what "Black Ops," which has literally billions of dollars available today for development of weapons, is capable of doing. That money is never accounted for. Yet what seems to be forgotten now is that $3 trillion was missing from the defense budget in 2007 - 8 and totally unaccounted for. Where did it go? Indeed as you point out here, the task of getting two airliners full of people together and flying them into buildings is a task unto itself. And don't forget about the plane that supposedly went into the Pentagon. And, wasn't there another plane that supposedly crashed somewhere but left only a crater with almost no plane fragments visible. This really took some engineering. So, to have created devices that were wired to the 47 supports in each of three buildings and set to go off at the right time appear to me to be "a piece of cake" compared to everything else. And, one of the big questions for me is as to why, if we are supposed to have such a fabulous defense system in place, no interceptor planes were ever alerted. And, it seems to me that the planes were flown by remote control given the information that the supposed pilots were trained only to fly small aircraft and not giant airliners. There is also evidence that one of the supposed pilots is alive. Also in the beginning the event was blamed on Al Queda, but then it turns out that all of the supposed pilots were Arabic. There are just too many loose ends here the same as there were in President Kennedy's assassination, yet almost no one is asking the questions that need to be asked. From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:16 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: FW: [GJM] FW: FW: Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit byan airliner Let's see. Some group of Bush/Cheney operatives plant explosives or thermite bombs in every World Trade Center building. Then they get someone, somehow (remote control?) to fly two large airliners full of people and aviation fuel to crash into two of the buildings confident the horrific crashes won't disturb the placement of the explosives. After the crash sites are raging infernos they set off the explosives at the exact spots the airplanes crashed into the buildings to make the buildings fall down so it would look like the airplanes did it. Pretty clever. To think that out what would have to be a vast conspiracy that everyone could keep the secret, no-one would spill the beans and pick up a fortune is preposterous. Large volumes of hydrocarbon fuel burn hot enough to soften structural steel enough for the construction it supports to collapse. Henceforth please omit me from further discussion on this topic. Tim Jones At 7:07 AM -0700 5/11/09, mary rose wrote: From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Rodney Shakespeare Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:58 AM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [GJM] FW: FW: Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit byan airliner Dear Mary, I am grateful to you for your very full reply on the collapse of the Towers on 9/11. As regards Tower Number Seven ( which was not hit by an airliner yet suddenly collapsed into its own foot print) there are four incredible coincidences- a) nothing like that had ever happened before 9/11 b) nothing like that has happened since 9/11 c) the collapse was announced (by the BBC) half an hour before it actually happened d) the collapse happened on 9/11 itself One coincidence is coincidence; two is happenstance; three is bad luck; and four is .......... There is one explanation which fits all the known facts, phenomena and witness acounts. It is that a section (or more) of the American government became aware that something was being planned and then took steps to ensure that, if it happened, it would happen in a big way -- as it did. Would you please forward this email to Tim Jones for me? Thankyou. Rodney Shakespeare. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 2:09 AM Subject: [GJM] FW: FW: Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit byan airliner Thanks, Bob. From: Robert Ocegueda [mailto:bocegueda at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 5:24 PM To: mary rose Subject: Re: FW: [GJM] Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner Here's a link to a web page from the Bentham Open Access website, The Open Chemical Physics Journal. All articles published here are peer reviewed, which means that the studies are serious. http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM You can download a PDF of the study showing the methodology and results. Any doubts should be cleared. Bob mary rose wrote: Rodney, this is a very good question. And my answer is that the cause was from demolition charges just as was the collapse of the two other towers. While I am not a close follower of the 9-11 event, I do sit here and read hundreds and hundreds of e-mails that pass over my desktop weekly, only a few of which I forward. And I have read that "thermite" which indicates demolition methods were used to bring down the towers has been found in the ground which surrounded the buildings even though, as I wrote before, the debris was quickly removed and sold to Japan. In addition, most post 9-11 investigations reveal that the fuel aboard the jet liners would not have burned hot enough to have melted the 47 steel columns that supported each of the towers. And, if the fire from the fuel aboard the planes was the cause, the buildings would not have come down in a straight fall as you note in your message did Tower 7. The other two towers made straight falls as well. And there are plenty of pictures available showing how the towers fell. Another factor that has not been mentioned here, and I have seen little mention of it since the months following the event, is the money that was stored in vaults in the centers, if I recall correctly, belonging to Chase Manhattan Bank. And as well the money involved in insurance payments, etc. Just a few days prior to the event, Larry Silverstein had signed lease papers for the two towers, and some retail space. He already held a lease agreement on other property adjacent to the towers including Tower 7. He is now attempting to claim "double benefits" by claiming that since two planes were involved in the "accident" he should receive over $7 billion in payments rather than the $3.something that the insurers are willing to pay under a single event scenario. There is also an unanswered question as to why many of the employees who worked in the buildings did not show up for work that day. Then there is also a large amount of evidence that the plane that supposedly went into the Pentagon was not a plane at all, but more likely a missile. Considering everything that has been published on the event, with all the evidence agreeing, something certainly was amiss on that day. There is even evidence that the pilots who had supposedly flown the planes had not had access to the type of training that would have given them the ability to fly them, let alone being able to make the type of turns required to direct them into the buildings. There is also evidence of time to have gotten U.S. military interceptor aircraft off the ground in order intercept these planes was available. So, why were they "standing down"? From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Rodney Shakespeare Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:22 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Subject: [GJM] Collpase of Towerr Number Seven which was not hit by an airliner Dear Mary (Rose), What is your and Tim Jones's view on the collapse (into its own footprint) of World Trade Center Tower Number Seven? Tower Number Seven was not hit by an airliner. I find it very strange that people always talk about the North and South Towers (both hit by airliners) but omit to discuss the most remarkable thing of all -- Tower Number Seven, a modern building, which collapsed into its own footprint. This has never happenend before or since. Why is that? Thankyou. Rodney Shakespeare. ----- Original Message ----- From: mary rose To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net ; FixGov at yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:46 PM Subject: [GJM] More on: The End of Global Warming From: Tim Jones [mailto:deforest at hughes.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:48 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: The End of Global Warming Planes did hit both World Trade Center buildings. I would be surprised if huge airliners full of aviation fuel would NOT cause the buildings to collapse. Alex Jones is a total, and dangerous fraud. A few crackpot physicists and their theories have not prevailed. Climate change skeptic physicists don't prevail either. Tim Tim, thanks for your comments. I agree with you re: Alex Jones at present, but I also have to note from my perspective that Jones played a useful role in exposing the antics of the Bush cabal while Bush was in office. So, am wondering what has changed to bring Jones more on the side of Rush Limbaugh today? Ownership of Fox News perhaps? However, it is not just Alex Jones who has reported that planes loaded with fuel could not have been the cause of the Trade Center buildings collapse, but many physicists like BYU Professor Stephen Jones who was placed on paid administrative leave for questioning the cause of the Trade Center Building collapse. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951 Or, of well- recognized theologian David Ray Griffin, who initially scoffing at the idea, turned supporter of the 9-11 alternative investigation when looking at, and seriously considering the findings of the professionals involved in the unauthorized investigation. Griffin is the Editor of New York State University "SUNY Series in Constructive Post-Modern Thought" whose Introduction to this series appears in Dr. Jay Earley's book: "Transforming Human Culture: Social Evolution and the Planetary Crisis" Dr. Griffin is seriously involved in the study of human consciousness, and not someone who could be termed: "a crackpot" by any stretch of the imagination. There have also been quite a few respected former military officers who have come forward as supporters of the alternative 9-11 investigation. And as well some of the firefighters involved at the scene. Please Google for this information. Soon after this event occurred, I was invited to a meeting called by the sister of a fireman who had lost his life there. She and her finance had been flown to New York with many other relatives of those losing their lives. My own intuitive thoughts at the time were that this was an "inside job" even prior to any news releases. And, at this meeting, my thoughts were further reinforced by the feelings of this woman and her finance after having been in New York and at the scene. One of the leading questions re: this event is as to why all of the residue left by the collapse of the buildings was gathered up and taken out of the country where it could not be scientifically examined for explosive residue by third party experts. Also providing substantial evidence for the 911 conspiracy theory is Fred Burks, a former translator for President George W. Bush. Fred resigned his position and began to speak out in the form of his "Want to Know" series. More on Fred Burks may be found on Fred's website as well as more about the alternative 911 investigation as revealed by Burks : www.wanttoknow.info/aboutus Burks resignation was also reported by the Washington Post www.wanttoknow.info/fredburksresigns Fred was a member of the Co-learner's list for quite awhile before putting up his current website. And in our early years we were to learn quite a bit from the inside information provided by Fred. With regard to global climate change, what appears to me anyway, is that scientists as yet do not have enough information upon which to base definitive answers as to what is going to take place. I am, in particular, reminded of the incident where an enormous hunk of ice was studied by scientists and determined to be something that would remain in place for the next 100 years. And then a short time later broke loose and floated away. In addition, based on new evidence related to ice melt, global climate change appears to be taking place much faster than anticipated. So, in all three instances, we have physical evidence of events that must be taken into consideration over and above what both scientists and the media are reporting. At 9:59 AM -0700 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: I always write "global climate change". But this article demonstrates how pervasive are those adept at creating "media spin" in order to obfuscate reality and turn it into propaganda. We have seen so much of this as Republicans have used this ploy in their attempt to defame President Obama and regain their control of the White House. However, the biggest spin of all was that put on issues related to the U.S. entering into the war in Iraq. And let us not forget how so many of us bought into planes hitting the World Trade Center and Pentagon as being the cause of their collapse when scientific studies conducted by qualified physicists show a different scenario. http://www.examiner.com/x-219-Denver-Weather-Examiner~y2009m5d5-The-end-of-global-warming FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:ATT00017.txt (TEXT/ttxt) (01530C59) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Are we to ignore that Jewish Zionist bankers are playing the rest of us for dopes, taking money out of our pockets and putting it into their pockets as fast as they can? And that the Zionist Jewish media is programming our minds? There is someone else on the Co-learner?s list who is Jewish and has stood up previously and written that he is concerned with the power of AIPAC and its influence here in the United States. I admire him for his sense of right and wrong, along with the ability to call a spade a spade. And, I simply do not understand your problem, Rima, unless you condone these actions? Is it OK with you for someone to do these kinds of things because they are Jews and perhaps ?better than the rest of us?? I have gone out of my way time and again to make it clear that not all Jews are Zionists, just as not ?all of the rest of us? are ?guilty free?. I do not like to use ?labels? but I do not know how else to identify people who are way out of line and need to be called on their game. Has it ever occurred to you, Rima, the risk that some of us take in speaking out? While I refuse to let fear rule me, I am conscious every day of what the consequences of speaking out may be. But I am as well aware of what the consequences will be if I do not do so. Too long have many of us been intimidated by this ?anti-semitic? crap which expects us to just bow down and accept whatever anyone wants to do to us. And I expect an answer from you. The last time we got into this area, I remember your writing that you felt the Jews had a right to the land in Gaza. Does that mean that you condone what is happening there? From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Dr. Rima Laibow Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:01 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Am I the only person that this rampant upsurge in anti-semitism bothers? Why is that? A headline like "Do the Jews Own Hollywood and the Media" can be seen as nothing short of an inflammatory call toward group hatred. It is called "Jew Baiting" and has a long history: when something is wrong with the State, the tactic of the state is to hate. Jews usually are the first targets, but it could be any "other" which is convenient. I fully support the invesigation and propagation of information about the Illuminati, Bildebergers, etc., etc. Let's be clear here: this type of hate mongering (sorry, that is exactly what it is, no matter how you rationalize it) is the fruit of a successful divide and conquer strategy by the very people whom we want to expose. Do you really think that the synagogues and temples of the Jews of Los Angeles, and the homes of the people who, like me, never go to synagogues or temples, are filled with talk of bringing down the US or how to deploy the media? How very foolish and naive! They are filled with the same conversations as churches, mosques and homes everywhere: finances, friends and family. Let's remember the concept of being the change we want to see. I personally would like to live in a world of mutual respect and clear-sighted honesty, not group-bashing and state controlled poverty. Please, Mary Rose, act as a responsible moderator and refuse to let your outstanding forum become a bill board for the scrawlings of those who build fear and loathing when they should be building scaffolds of light. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org www.HealthFreedomUSA.org On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM, mary rose wrote: You did not read what I wrote: What I wrote is that the Libertarian Party is very closely linked to the Mafia in Italy. I did not say there was a Libertarian Party in Italy. When there is only linking, it makes it very difficult to determine who is really who and doing what. From: FixGov at yahoogroups.com [mailto:FixGov at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Kiss?ll Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:26 AM To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Just out of curiosity, what to which Italian political party are you referring? AFAIK, there is no political party in Italy whose name would translate into English as "Libertarian Party". --- On Sun, 5/10/09, mary rose > wrote: From: mary rose > Subject: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net , "FixGov at yahoogroups. com" > Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 8:07 PM And, it is my feeling we should be very careful with regard to the Libertarian Party as it is linked very closely with the Mafia in Italy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Members MARKETPLACE I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! 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By Texe Marrs While I have often said that AIPAC doesn't speak for American Jews, headlines like this about Jews Owning Hollywood and Media plays right into AIPAC's hands by not distinguishing between Zionism, toxic Zionism, Judaism and Jewishness. A time-dishonored way of marginalizing inconvenient truths (like the Zionist influence in American foreign policy) is to taint it with disinformation and distortion. AIPAC LOVES anything that has even the slightest flavor of anti-semitism. AIPAC lives off of that, of convincing Jewish people that they are threatened by anti-semitism. I'm with Rima on this one. Steve Bhaerman Steve thanks for your comment. I have also been associated with someone who has been in Hollywood for close to 20 years, is a Mexican and every day spent with him was one in which I became more and more aware of the Jewish influence there and the discrimination against others asserted by them. A way of expressing may be to use the phrase: ?Jewish arrogance?. However, I was disappointed to see the name of Tom Hanks included with those who are considered to be ?Zionist Jews?. And I was glad to see that Steven Spielberg?s name was not included. So, I also admire Texe Marrs for writing the article and getting it published with what I know about Hollywood. And, I interpret what you write below, Steve, as being OK with AIPAC putting ?spin? on ?anti-semitism? in order to convince other Jews that they are threatened by those of us who are tired of the manipulation and as Carolyn Baker puts it have begun: ?Speaking Truth to Power?. But it?s not OK for Texe Marrs to write about what is extremely close to the truth about Jews in Hollywood. While I have never had any problems with anyone in the past who is Jewish, and I have had very close Jewish friends whom I never referred to as ?Jewish, ? whether in my mind or otherwise. But now, I am beginning to have some very chilling feelings and sensations running up and down my back. It is my feeling that if some Jews want to be distinguished from other Jews then they better begin demonstrating it to the rest of us, because the excuses for not doing so are wearing thin, and perhaps I too may have to drop the word Zionist and just begin writing ?Jews?. You know, much of the world right now is horrified at what happened in Palestine in the past few months ? it went beyond the pale. And the truth of what is going on is now most difficult not to recognize. And, forgiveness is going to be very difficult. From: Steve Bhaerman [mailto:swamib at saber.net] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:27 PM To: mary rose Cc: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FW: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs While I have often said that AIPAC doesn't speak for American Jews, headlines like this about Jews Owning Hollywood and Media plays right into AIPAC's hands by not distinguishing between Zionism, toxic Zionism, Judaism and Jewishness. A time-dishonored way of marginalizing inconvenient truths (like the Zionist influence in American foreign policy) is to taint it with disinformation and distortion. AIPAC LOVES anything that has even the slightest flavor of anti-semitism. AIPAC lives off of that, of convincing Jewish people that they are threatened by anti-semitism. I'm with Rima on this one. Steve Bhaerman mary rose wrote: Rima, You and other Jews like you are going to have to come to terms with the fact that the banking system and the media, including Hollywood, are owned and run by Zionist Jews and that these people are very much involved with and influential in AIPAC. It has become quite evident that the United States is providing money and weapons to Israel so that that country can commit genocidal acts on the Palestinians as they did in the last attacks with money provided by the U.S . These acts are reprehensible to those of us who believe in peace as a pathway to the future. What are those of us who find these acts to be unacceptable supposed to do? Are we to ignore the situation? Are we to ignore that Jewish Zionist bankers are playing the rest of us for dopes, taking money out of our pockets and putting it into their pockets as fast as they can? And that the Zionist Jewish media is programming our minds? There is someone else on the Co-learner?s list who is Jewish and has stood up previously and written that he is concerned with the power of AIPAC and its influence here in the United States. I admire him for his sense of right and wrong, along with the ability to call a spade a spade. And, I simply do not understand your problem, Rima, unless you condone these actions? Is it OK with you for someone to do these kinds of things because they are Jews and perhaps ?better than the rest of us?? I have gone out of my way time and again to make it clear that not all Jews are Zionists, just as not ?all of the rest of us? are ?guilty free?. I do not like to use ?labels? but I do not know how else to identify people who are way out of line and need to be called on their game. Has it ever occurred to you, Rima, the risk that some of us take in speaking out? While I refuse to let fear rule me, I am conscious every day of what the consequences of speaking out may be. But I am as well aware of what the consequences will be if I do not do so. Too long have many of us been intimidated by this ?anti-semitic? crap which expects us to just bow down and accept whatever anyone wants to do to us. And I expect an answer from you. The last time we got into this area, I remember your writing that you felt the Jews had a right to the land in Gaza. Does that mean that you condone what is happening there? From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Dr. Rima Laibow Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:01 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Am I the only person that this rampant upsurge in anti-semitism bothers? Why is that? A headline like "Do the Jews Own Hollywood and the Media" can be seen as nothing short of an inflammatory call toward group hatred. It is called "Jew Baiting" and has a long history: when something is wrong with the State, the tactic of the state is to hate. Jews usually are the first targets, but it could be any "other" which is convenient. I fully support the invesigation and propagation of information about the Illuminati, Bildebergers, etc., etc. Let's be clear here: this type of hate mongering (sorry, that is exactly what it is, no matter how you rationalize it) is the fruit of a successful divide and conquer strategy by the very people whom we want to expose. Do you really think that the synagogues and temples of the Jews of Los Angeles, and the homes of the people who, like me, never go to synagogues or temples, are filled with talk of bringing down the US or how to deploy the media? How very foolish and naive! They are filled with the same conversations as churches, mosques and homes everywhere: finances, friends and family. Let's remember the concept of being the change we want to see. I personally would like to live in a world of mutual respect and clear-sighted honesty, not group-bashing and state controlled poverty. Please, Mary Rose, act as a responsible moderator and refuse to let your outstanding forum become a bill board for the scrawlings of those who build fear and loathing when they should be building scaffolds of light. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org www.HealthFreedomUSA.org On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM, mary rose wrote: You did not read what I wrote: What I wrote is that the Libertarian Party is very closely linked to the Mafia in Italy. I did not say there was a Libertarian Party in Italy. When there is only linking, it makes it very difficult to determine who is really who and doing what. From: FixGov at yahoogroups.com [mailto:FixGov at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Kiss?ll Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:26 AM To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Just out of curiosity, what to which Italian political party are you referring? AFAIK, there is no political party in Italy whose name would translate into English as "Libertarian Party". --- On Sun, 5/10/09, mary rose > wrote: From: mary rose > Subject: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net , "FixGov at yahoogroups. com" > Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 8:07 PM And, it is my feeling we should be very careful with regard to the Libertarian Party as it is linked very closely with the Mafia in Italy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Members MARKETPLACE I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! See how I do it: WealthResource.org. _____ I Got Fired But now make $350/day online!. _____ Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their families, for the world and for each other Image removed by sender. Yahoo! Groups Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity Visit Your Group Need traffic? Drive customers With search ads on Yahoo! Y! Groups blog The place to go to stay informed on Groups news! Support Group Lose lbs together Share your weight- loss successes. .. Image removed by sender. __,_._,___ _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemo vement.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Intelligent people...especially those responding to the message and no matter of what race should be able to easily see what is going on if they were not so caught up in their emotional terrorism of continuing to use the phony anti-semitism card. They are protecting not only mobsters but monsters. N. On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:01 PM, mary rose wrote: Rima, You and other Jews like you are going to have to come to terms with the fact that the banking system and the media, including Hollywood, are owned and run by Zionist Jews and that these people are very much involved with and influential in AIPAC. It has become quite evident that the United States is providing money and weapons to Israel so that that country can commit genocidal acts on the Palestinians as they did in the last attacks with money provided by the U.S . These acts are reprehensible to those of us who believe in peace as a pathway to the future. What are those of us who find these acts to be unacceptable supposed to do? Are we to ignore the situation? Are we to ignore that Jewish Zionist bankers are playing the rest of us for dopes, taking money out of our pockets and putting it into their pockets as fast as they can? And that the Zionist Jewish media is programming our minds? There is someone else on the Co-learner?s list who is Jewish and has stood up previously and written that he is concerned with the power of AIPAC and its influence here in the United States. I admire him for his sense of right and wrong, along with the ability to call a spade a spade. And, I simply do not understand your problem, Rima, unless you condone these actions? Is it OK with you for someone to do these kinds of things because they are Jews and perhaps ?better than the rest of us?? I have gone out of my way time and again to make it clear that not all Jews are Zionists, just as not ?all of the rest of us? are ?guilty free?. I do not like to use ?labels? but I do not know how else to identify people who are way out of line and need to be called on their game. Has it ever occurred to you, Rima, the risk that some of us take in speaking out? While I refuse to let fear rule me, I am conscious every day of what the consequences of speaking out may be. But I am as well aware of what the consequences will be if I do not do so. Too long have many of us been intimidated by this ?anti-semitic? crap which expects us to just bow down and accept whatever anyone wants to do to us. And I expect an answer from you. The last time we got into this area, I remember your writing that you felt the Jews had a right to the land in Gaza. Does that mean that you condone what is happening there? From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Dr. Rima Laibow Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:01 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Am I the only person that this rampant upsurge in anti-semitism bothers? Why is that? A headline like "Do the Jews Own Hollywood and the Media" can be seen as nothing short of an inflammatory call toward group hatred. It is called "Jew Baiting" and has a long history: when something is wrong with the State, the tactic of the state is to hate. Jews usually are the first targets, but it could be any "other" which is convenient. I fully support the invesigation and propagation of information about the Illuminati, Bildebergers, etc., etc. Let's be clear here: this type of hate mongering (sorry, that is exactly what it is, no matter how you rationalize it) is the fruit of a successful divide and conquer strategy by the very people whom we want to expose. Do you really think that the synagogues and temples of the Jews of Los Angeles, and the homes of the people who, like me, never go to synagogues or temples, are filled with talk of bringing down the US or how to deploy the media? How very foolish and naive! They are filled with the same conversations as churches, mosques and homes everywhere: finances, friends and family. Let's remember the concept of being the change we want to see. I personally would like to live in a world of mutual respect and clear-sighted honesty, not group-bashing and state controlled poverty. Please, Mary Rose, act as a responsible moderator and refuse to let your outstanding forum become a bill board for the scrawlings of those who build fear and loathing when they should be building scaffolds of light. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org www.HealthFreedomUSA.org On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM, mary rose wrote: You did not read what I wrote: What I wrote is that the Libertarian Party is very closely linked to the Mafia in Italy. I did not say there was a Libertarian Party in Italy. When there is only linking, it makes it very difficult to determine who is really who and doing what. From: FixGov at yahoogroups.com [mailto:FixGov at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Kiss?ll Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:26 AM To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Just out of curiosity, what to which Italian political party are you referring? AFAIK, there is no political party in Italy whose name would translate into English as "Libertarian Party". --- On Sun, 5/10/09, mary rose > wrote: From: mary rose > Subject: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net , "FixGov at yahoogroups. com" > Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 8:07 PM And, it is my feeling we should be very careful with regard to the Libertarian Party as it is linked very closely with the Mafia in Italy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Members MARKETPLACE I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! 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It would seem that Jews who do not call themselves "Zionists" but do call themselves Jews would wish at this time of increasing horror in the world to distance themselvesin real and specific ways. Like speaking up, as those of us do who abhor much of U.S. activities around the world. And we take the resulting licks, and successes when there are any. I have "Jewish" friends who say that they are non-practicing Jews, like many people who don't call themselves Christian (or any religion) yet celebrate Christmas. Such was my family in my early years. But these same people regularly send reminders of the Nazi Holocaust, complete with photos and stories of holocaust-deniers and admonitions not to forget and to send on to everyone I know. In fact, it seems that these increased during the most deadly days of the Gaza genocide. Sometimes I have responded with information about all the other holocausts that have happened and are happening. But I think now that I will be brave enough to ask how they feel about what some of their brothers are doing right now. Thanks, MaryNelson _____ From: mary rose [mailto:maryrose333 at att.net] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 4:57 PM To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: FW: FW: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs From: Steve Bhaerman [mailto:swamib at saber.net] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:27 PM To: mary rose Cc: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FW: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs While I have often said that AIPAC doesn't speak for American Jews, headlines like this about Jews Owning Hollywood and Media plays right into AIPAC's hands by not distinguishing between Zionism, toxic Zionism, Judaism and Jewishness. A time-dishonored way of marginalizing inconvenient truths (like the Zionist influence in American foreign policy) is to taint it with disinformation and distortion. AIPAC LOVES anything that has even the slightest flavor of anti-semitism. AIPAC lives off of that, of convincing Jewish people that they are threatened by anti-semitism. I'm with Rima on this one. Steve Bhaerman Steve thanks for your comment. I have also been associated with someone who has been in Hollywood for close to 20 years, is a Mexican and every day spent with him was one in which I became more and more aware of the Jewish influence there and the discrimination against others asserted by them. A way of expressing may be to use the phrase: ?Jewish arrogance?. However, I was disappointed to see the name of Tom Hanks included with those who are considered to be ?Zionist Jews?. And I was glad to see that Steven Spielberg?s name was not included. So, I also admire Texe Marrs for writing the article and getting it published with what I know about Hollywood. And, I interpret what you write below, Steve, as being OK with AIPAC putting ?spin? on ?anti-semitism? in order to convince other Jews that they are threatened by those of us who are tired of the manipulation and as Carolyn Baker puts it have begun: ?Speaking Truth to Power?. But it?s not OK for Texe Marrs to write about what is extremely close to the truth about Jews in Hollywood. While I have never had any problems with anyone in the past who is Jewish, and I have had very close Jewish friends whom I never referred to as ?Jewish, ? whether in my mind or otherwise. But now, I am beginning to have some very chilling feelings and sensations running up and down my back. It is my feeling that if some Jews want to be distinguished from other Jews then they better begin demonstrating it to the rest of us, because the excuses for not doing so are wearing thin, and perhaps I too may have to drop the word Zionist and just begin writing ?Jews?. You know, much of the world right now is horrified at what happened in Palestine in the past few months ? it went beyond the pale. And the truth of what is going on is now most difficult not to recognize. And, forgiveness is going to be very difficult. From: Steve Bhaerman [mailto:swamib at saber.net] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:27 PM To: mary rose Cc: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FW: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs While I have often said that AIPAC doesn't speak for American Jews, headlines like this about Jews Owning Hollywood and Media plays right into AIPAC's hands by not distinguishing between Zionism, toxic Zionism, Judaism and Jewishness. A time-dishonored way of marginalizing inconvenient truths (like the Zionist influence in American foreign policy) is to taint it with disinformation and distortion. AIPAC LOVES anything that has even the slightest flavor of anti-semitism. AIPAC lives off of that, of convincing Jewish people that they are threatened by anti-semitism. I'm with Rima on this one. Steve Bhaerman mary rose wrote: Rima, You and other Jews like you are going to have to come to terms with the fact that the banking system and the media, including Hollywood, are owned and run by Zionist Jews and that these people are very much involved with and influential in AIPAC. It has become quite evident that the United States is providing money and weapons to Israel so that that country can commit genocidal acts on the Palestinians as they did in the last attacks with money provided by the U.S . These acts are reprehensible to those of us who believe in peace as a pathway to the future. What are those of us who find these acts to be unacceptable supposed to do? Are we to ignore the situation? Are we to ignore that Jewish Zionist bankers are playing the rest of us for dopes, taking money out of our pockets and putting it into their pockets as fast as they can? And that the Zionist Jewish media is programming our minds? There is someone else on the Co-learner?s list who is Jewish and has stood up previously and written that he is concerned with the power of AIPAC and its influence here in the United States. I admire him for his sense of right and wrong, along with the ability to call a spade a spade. And, I simply do not understand your problem, Rima, unless you condone these actions? Is it OK with you for someone to do these kinds of things because they are Jews and perhaps ?better than the rest of us?? I have gone out of my way time and again to make it clear that not all Jews are Zionists, just as not ?all of the rest of us? are ?guilty free?. I do not like to use ?labels? but I do not know how else to identify people who are way out of line and need to be called on their game. Has it ever occurred to you, Rima, the risk that some of us take in speaking out? While I refuse to let fear rule me, I am conscious every day of what the consequences of speaking out may be. But I am as well aware of what the consequences will be if I do not do so. Too long have many of us been intimidated by this ?anti-semitic? crap which expects us to just bow down and accept whatever anyone wants to do to us. And I expect an answer from you. The last time we got into this area, I remember your writing that you felt the Jews had a right to the land in Gaza. Does that mean that you condone what is happening there? From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Dr. Rima Laibow Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:01 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Am I the only person that this rampant upsurge in anti-semitism bothers? Why is that? A headline like "Do the Jews Own Hollywood and the Media" can be seen as nothing short of an inflammatory call toward group hatred. It is called "Jew Baiting" and has a long history: when something is wrong with the State, the tactic of the state is to hate. Jews usually are the first targets, but it could be any "other" which is convenient. I fully support the invesigation and propagation of information about the Illuminati, Bildebergers, etc., etc. Let's be clear here: this type of hate mongering (sorry, that is exactly what it is, no matter how you rationalize it) is the fruit of a successful divide and conquer strategy by the very people whom we want to expose. Do you really think that the synagogues and temples of the Jews of Los Angeles, and the homes of the people who, like me, never go to synagogues or temples, are filled with talk of bringing down the US or how to deploy the media? How very foolish and naive! They are filled with the same conversations as churches, mosques and homes everywhere: finances, friends and family. Let's remember the concept of being the change we want to see. I personally would like to live in a world of mutual respect and clear-sighted honesty, not group-bashing and state controlled poverty. Please, Mary Rose, act as a responsible moderator and refuse to let your outstanding forum become a bill board for the scrawlings of those who build fear and loathing when they should be building scaffolds of light. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org www.HealthFreedomUSA.org On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM, mary rose wrote: You did not read what I wrote: What I wrote is that the Libertarian Party is very closely linked to the Mafia in Italy. I did not say there was a Libertarian Party in Italy. When there is only linking, it makes it very difficult to determine who is really who and doing what. From: FixGov at yahoogroups.com [mailto:FixGov at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Kiss?ll Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:26 AM To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Just out of curiosity, what to which Italian political party are you referring? AFAIK, there is no political party in Italy whose name would translate into English as "Libertarian Party". --- On Sun, 5/10/09, mary rose > wrote: From: mary rose > Subject: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net , "FixGov at yahoogroups. com" > Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 8:07 PM And, it is my feeling we should be very careful with regard to the Libertarian Party as it is linked very closely with the Mafia in Italy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Members MARKETPLACE I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! 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Our larger mission is to bring together a minimum of 1 million of the most creative people we can find worldwide, with the idea of bringing our heads and hearts together in an attempt to find resolution for some of the ?unprecedented in human history challenges we face today as the human family?. One facet of this larger mission is to identify people like Sada Nam who can dialog effectively with people in creating broader understanding among all parties engaged in situations where conflicts exist, thereby empowering the group to move into another level of conscious awareness wherein resolution may be found. Please welcome Sada Nam to our community of ?co-learners?. She has been listening to our current discussion for a few days. From: Sada Nam Kaur [mailto:sadanamkaur at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:16 AM To: Mary Rose Subject: RE: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Thank you Mary Rose, I believe it would be useful to have statistics as well. I believe that about 6,000 jews were killed in the concentration camps, how many muslims have been killed so far in Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Afganistan... The current massacre of muslims must be the largest genocide in the history of mankind, perhaps we can begin to call it as such. These figures must be available, for instance I have found the statistic that 0.3 million palestinians have died since 1967 http://gpolya.newsvine.com/_news/2009/01/04/2273360-reason-for-gaza-massacre -hamas-destruction-not-20-israeli-rocket-deaths-in-8-yrs- >From Wikipedia: The table below summarizes some of the Iraqi casualty figures. Source Iraqi deaths March 2003 to... Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 violent deaths. June 2006 Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths. June 2006 Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 violent deaths as a result of the conflict. August 2007 Iraq Body Count 91,059 ? 99,431 violent civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. February 2009 This is not to say of the 3000 American citizens that were killed in 11/9 in the name of this campaign. It would be also useful to have a list of all corporations that are involved in Israel so that we can create a boycott as was successfully done in South Africa. Finally and particularly importantly, when I look at the jewish question from a homeopathic point of view, there is a condition which is to create hatred from others and I believe this is in the jewish hologram, being a victim justifies all types of action. Therefore, it is really important that we name the situation, but do so neutrality. We simply say no and act without emotion, drama or blame and definitely without hatred. Instead in love for justice and peace. "There is no way to peace, peace is the way" Gandhi. This is imperitive or else we are just feeding the same cycle. This is what is so incredible in the majority of muslims (non Saudi read - american jew inspired fundamentalists). They do not react with violence, imagine how the American people would react if this number of its citizens had been killed. But the basis of Islam is compassion and fairness and it is a way of life as we have seen. All love Sada Nam _____ From: maryrose333 at att.net To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: FW: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:01:12 -0700 Rima, You and other Jews like you are going to have to come to terms with the fact that the banking system and the media, including Hollywood, are owned and run by Zionist Jews and that these people are very much involved with and influential in AIPAC. It has become quite evident that the United States is providing money and weapons to Israel so that that country can commit genocidal acts on the Palestinians as they did in the last attacks with money provided by the U.S . These acts are reprehensible to those of us who believe in peace as a pathway to the future. What are those of us who find these acts to be unacceptable supposed to do? Are we to ignore the situation? Are we to ignore that Jewish Zionist bankers are playing the rest of us for dopes, taking money out of our pockets and putting it into their pockets as fast as they can? And that the Zionist Jewish media is programming our minds? There is someone else on the Co-learner?s list who is Jewish and has stood up previously and written that he is concerned with the power of AIPAC and its influence here in the United States. I admire him for his sense of right and wrong, along with the ability to call a spade a spade. And, I simply do not understand your problem, Rima, unless you condone these actions? Is it OK with you for someone to do these kinds of things because they are Jews and perhaps ?better than the rest of us?? I have gone out of my way time and again to make it clear that not all Jews are Zionists, just as not ?all of the rest of us? are ?guilty free?. I do not like to use ?labels? but I do not know how else to identify people who are way out of line and need to be called on their game. Has it ever occurred to you, Rima, the risk that some of us take in speaking out? While I refuse to let fear rule me, I am conscious every day of what the consequences of speaking out may be. But I am as well aware of what the consequences will be if I do not do so. Too long have many of us been intimidated by this ?anti-semitic? crap which expects us to just bow down and accept whatever anyone wants to do to us. And I expect an answer from you. The last time we got into this area, I remember your writing that you felt the Jews had a right to the land in Gaza. Does that mean that you condone what is happening there? From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Dr. Rima Laibow Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:01 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Am I the only person that this rampant upsurge in anti-semitism bothers? Why is that? A headline like "Do the Jews Own Hollywood and the Media" can be seen as nothing short of an inflammatory call toward group hatred. It is called "Jew Baiting" and has a long history: when something is wrong with the State, the tactic of the state is to hate. Jews usually are the first targets, but it could be any "other" which is convenient. I fully support the invesigation and propagation of information about the Illuminati, Bildebergers, etc., etc. Let's be clear here: this type of hate mongering (sorry, that is exactly what it is, no matter how you rationalize it) is the fruit of a successful divide and conquer strategy by the very people whom we want to expose. Do you really think that the synagogues and temples of the Jews of Los Angeles, and the homes of the people who, like me, never go to synagogues or temples, are filled with talk of bringing down the US or how to deploy the media? How very foolish and naive! They are filled with the same conversations as churches, mosques and homes everywhere: finances, friends and family. Let's remember the concept of being the change we want to see. I personally would like to live in a world of mutual respect and clear-sighted honesty, not group-bashing and state controlled poverty. Please, Mary Rose, act as a responsible moderator and refuse to let your outstanding forum become a bill board for the scrawlings of those who build fear and loathing when they should be building scaffolds of light. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org www.HealthFreedomUSA.org On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM, mary rose wrote: You did not read what I wrote: What I wrote is that the Libertarian Party is very closely linked to the Mafia in Italy. I did not say there was a Libertarian Party in Italy. When there is only linking, it makes it very difficult to determine who is really who and doing what. From: FixGov at yahoogroups.com [mailto:FixGov at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Kiss?ll Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:26 AM To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Just out of curiosity, what to which Italian political party are you referring? AFAIK, there is no political party in Italy whose name would translate into English as "Libertarian Party". --- On Sun, 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: From: mary rose Subject: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net, "FixGov at yahoogroups. com" Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 8:07 PM And, it is my feeling we should be very careful with regard to the Libertarian Party as it is linked very closely with the Mafia in Italy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Members MARKETPLACE I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! 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One of those P&Ps is Honu International which has been set up by a Future Dawning founding member: Dr. Kent P. Mesplay. Kent is part Blackfoot Indian (US) and was born in Papua, New Guinea of missionary parents. It is Kent's desire to unite the indigenous people of the world in our (FD) effort to empower people on an international scale in creating sustainable living communities. So, Kent would be very interested in receiving this information. And I will forward it to him. My feelings are, Mukhtar, (and anyone else interested in working with indigenous people), is that you would benefit by joining Honu International and invite Kent to join your NING-based facility as well so that you may exchange information like this on a regular basis. I am as well suggesting, Mukhtar, that you join the TransitionUS movement with Les Squires for the same reason. I will issue you an invitation to both sites and as well, as a member of your site, invite Kent to join it. In this manner, we will be creating a very large information exchange system and compiling a large database for future reference as we network sustainable communities and the people within together on a worldwide basis. A big benefit of this, for example, as we create the network, will be that should one community face a food shortage we will have in our database communities that have an oversupply on hand, and can contact them for assistance in shipping food immediately to the community in need. Thus, we alleviate the middle man here and can give immediate relief as we create a system that is not money-driven, but one which is based on human values and reciprocity. (I do hope Bill Ellis likes this one.) From: Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam [mailto:mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:15 AM To: mary rose; Dr. Rima Laibow Subject: Fw: [IHRO] Call for Proposals: Native American Sustainable Agriculture Grant Dear Dr. Rima and Mary, Greetings for peace, I am sending a call for the needful. Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam 58-C,DDA Flats, Ashok Vihar-III,Delhi-110052 Tel:9968345380 --- On Tue, 12/5/09, Peter N. Jones wrote: From: Peter N. Jones Subject: [IHRO] Call for Proposals: Native American Sustainable Agriculture Grant To: e-NASS at yahoogroups.com, humanrightsactivist at yahoogroups.com, IHRO at yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 4:48 AM Call for Proposals: Native American Sustainable Agriculture Grant via Indigenous People's Issues Today by noreply at blogger. com (Peter N. Jones) on 5/10/09 The 2010 North Central Region Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education Program (NCR-SARE) Call for Native American Sustainable Agriculture Grant Proposals is now available: 2010 Call for Native American Sustainable Agriculture Grant Proposals (Word) The deadline for Proposals is 4:30pm CDT, Wednesday, September 30, 2009. The Native American Sustainable Agricultural Grant Program is initially funded as a one-time NCR-SARE grant program. The purpose of this grant program is to fund project(s) that can help NCR-SARE reach and work with Native Americans to improve agricultural sustainability in the North Central Region. Maximum total grant size is $275,000, with a maximum duration of three years. * Questions? Contact Bill Wilcke, Regional Coordinator, (612) 625-8205 The USDA's North Central Region (NCR) Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education (SARE) program has awarded more than $40 million worth of competitive grants to farmers and ranchers, researchers, educators, public and private institutions, nonprofit groups, and others exploring sustainable agriculture in 12 states. NCR-SARE Goals Foster site-specific, integrated farming systems; satisfy human food and fiber needs; enhance environmental quality, natural resource conservation and the integration of on-farm and biological resources; enhance the quality of rural life and support owner-operated farms; protect human health and safety; and promote crop, livestock and enterprise diversity and the well-being of animals. 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But let?s consider the statistics given in this paper: http://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/General/VictimsEngl.html The ?general figure? given for estimated Holocaust deaths is generally ?6 million? -- however in recent years the number has been reduced to 2.5 million as this URL shows, giving the reason why the figure has been changed. But what the author of this paper points out: ?whatever the number, wasn?t it far too many.? Which I feel is the point with what has happened with Palestine and Israel. Is not even 1 death one too many? Another thing the author of this paper points out is the number of what might be called: ?affiliated deaths? associated with the Holocaust which bring the number of deaths to double that of the death camps alone. Shouldn?t the larger question be: Is there any need for war and killing in today?s world? One that is supposedly civilized? And, shouldn?t we be focused on learning: ?why people do these kinds of things?? And thus begin intervention procedures before things escalate to the point where violence takes place? We would certainly do this with an individual ? why not with a country? For me, since I am involved in writing a book related to this, I have to ask the question as to whether or not the collective conscious of Israel can be compared with an abused child, in turn, becoming a child abuser, which is frequently, but not always, the case? From: Steve Bhaerman [mailto:swamib at saber.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:07 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: FW: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs 6,000 Jews killed in the Holocaust? Now you're in with Holocaust deniers? Absolutely amazing. Is it possible to condemn the genocidal crimes being committed by Israel today, and still recognize that the Nazi holocaust still happened? You're losing me ... and your credibility. Steve mary rose wrote: Thank you Sada Nam. For information to those participating in the Co-learner?s List, Sada Nam Kaur is now a member of Future Dawning. Born in England, she is now a resident of Spain and has an in depth understanding of Muslim culture as well as that of the Western world. As I have indicated previously, Future Dawning is a multi- dimensional organization. Our larger mission is to bring together a minimum of 1 million of the most creative people we can find worldwide, with the idea of bringing our heads and hearts together in an attempt to find resolution for some of the ?unprecedented in human history challenges we face today as the human family?. One facet of this larger mission is to identify people like Sada Nam who can dialog effectively with people in creating broader understanding among all parties engaged in situations where conflicts exist, thereby empowering the group to move into another level of conscious awareness wherein resolution may be found. Please welcome Sada Nam to our community of ?co-learners?. She has been listening to our current discussion for a few days. From: Sada Nam Kaur [mailto:sadanamkaur at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:16 AM To: Mary Rose Subject: RE: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Thank you Mary Rose, I believe it would be useful to have statistics as well. I believe that about 6,000 jews were killed in the concentration camps, how many muslims have been killed so far in Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Afganistan... The current massacre of muslims must be the largest genocide in the history of mankind, perhaps we can begin to call it as such. These figures must be available, for instance I have found the statistic that 0.3 million palestinians have died since 1967 http://gpolya.newsvine.com/_news/2009/01/04/2273360-reason-for-gaza-massacre -hamas-destruction-not-20-israeli-rocket-deaths-in-8-yrs- >From Wikipedia: The table below summarizes some of the Iraqi casualty figures. Source Iraqi deaths March 2003 to... Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 violent deaths. June 2006 Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths. June 2006 Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 violent deaths as a result of the conflict. August 2007 Iraq Body Count 91,059 ? 99,431 violent civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. February 2009 This is not to say of the 3000 American citizens that were killed in 11/9 in the name of this campaign. It would be also useful to have a list of all corporations that are involved in Israel so that we can create a boycott as was successfully done in South Africa. Finally and particularly importantly, when I look at the jewish question from a homeopathic point of view, there is a condition which is to create hatred from others and I believe this is in the jewish hologram, being a victim justifies all types of action. Therefore, it is really important that we name the situation, but do so neutrality. We simply say no and act without emotion, drama or blame and definitely without hatred. Instead in love for justice and peace. "There is no way to peace, peace is the way" Gandhi. This is imperitive or else we are just feeding the same cycle. This is what is so incredible in the majority of muslims (non Saudi read - american jew inspired fundamentalists). They do not react with violence, imagine how the American people would react if this number of its citizens had been killed. But the basis of Islam is compassion and fairness and it is a way of life as we have seen. All love Sada Nam _____ From: maryrose333 at att.net To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: FW: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:01:12 -0700 Rima, You and other Jews like you are going to have to come to terms with the fact that the banking system and the media, including Hollywood, are owned and run by Zionist Jews and that these people are very much involved with and influential in AIPAC. It has become quite evident that the United States is providing money and weapons to Israel so that that country can commit genocidal acts on the Palestinians as they did in the last attacks with money provided by the U.S . These acts are reprehensible to those of us who believe in peace as a pathway to the future. What are those of us who find these acts to be unacceptable supposed to do? Are we to ignore the situation? Are we to ignore that Jewish Zionist bankers are playing the rest of us for dopes, taking money out of our pockets and putting it into their pockets as fast as they can? And that the Zionist Jewish media is programming our minds? There is someone else on the Co-learner?s list who is Jewish and has stood up previously and written that he is concerned with the power of AIPAC and its influence here in the United States. I admire him for his sense of right and wrong, along with the ability to call a spade a spade. And, I simply do not understand your problem, Rima, unless you condone these actions? Is it OK with you for someone to do these kinds of things because they are Jews and perhaps ?better than the rest of us?? I have gone out of my way time and again to make it clear that not all Jews are Zionists, just as not ?all of the rest of us? are ?guilty free?. I do not like to use ?labels? but I do not know how else to identify people who are way out of line and need to be called on their game. Has it ever occurred to you, Rima, the risk that some of us take in speaking out? While I refuse to let fear rule me, I am conscious every day of what the consequences of speaking out may be. But I am as well aware of what the consequences will be if I do not do so. Too long have many of us been intimidated by this ?anti-semitic? crap which expects us to just bow down and accept whatever anyone wants to do to us. And I expect an answer from you. The last time we got into this area, I remember your writing that you felt the Jews had a right to the land in Gaza. Does that mean that you condone what is happening there? From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Dr. Rima Laibow Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:01 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Am I the only person that this rampant upsurge in anti-semitism bothers? Why is that? A headline like "Do the Jews Own Hollywood and the Media" can be seen as nothing short of an inflammatory call toward group hatred. It is called "Jew Baiting" and has a long history: when something is wrong with the State, the tactic of the state is to hate. Jews usually are the first targets, but it could be any "other" which is convenient. I fully support the invesigation and propagation of information about the Illuminati, Bildebergers, etc., etc. Let's be clear here: this type of hate mongering (sorry, that is exactly what it is, no matter how you rationalize it) is the fruit of a successful divide and conquer strategy by the very people whom we want to expose. Do you really think that the synagogues and temples of the Jews of Los Angeles, and the homes of the people who, like me, never go to synagogues or temples, are filled with talk of bringing down the US or how to deploy the media? How very foolish and naive! They are filled with the same conversations as churches, mosques and homes everywhere: finances, friends and family. Let's remember the concept of being the change we want to see. I personally would like to live in a world of mutual respect and clear-sighted honesty, not group-bashing and state controlled poverty. Please, Mary Rose, act as a responsible moderator and refuse to let your outstanding forum become a bill board for the scrawlings of those who build fear and loathing when they should be building scaffolds of light. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org www.HealthFreedomUSA.org On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM, mary rose wrote: You did not read what I wrote: What I wrote is that the Libertarian Party is very closely linked to the Mafia in Italy. I did not say there was a Libertarian Party in Italy. When there is only linking, it makes it very difficult to determine who is really who and doing what. From: FixGov at yahoogroups.com [mailto:FixGov at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Kiss?ll Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:26 AM To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Just out of curiosity, what to which Italian political party are you referring? AFAIK, there is no political party in Italy whose name would translate into English as "Libertarian Party". --- On Sun, 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: From: mary rose Subject: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net, "FixGov at yahoogroups. com" Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 8:07 PM And, it is my feeling we should be very careful with regard to the Libertarian Party as it is linked very closely with the Mafia in Italy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Members MARKETPLACE I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! 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By Texe Marrs His point is mute...why was the figure made so high to begin with?...why the outlandish lie?...and I still don't believe from what I've read the figure was any higher than approximately 6,000...and most of these were not murdered out right...the greater percentage died because they became diseased and also died of malnutrition. It has been PROVEN there was NO gas from the showers. (Checked out scientifically and found to be a complete impossibility as the leakage of gas under doors and windows would have killed those in operation of the camps...just impossible...and no trace of gas). It was a perpetuated lie by the Zionists in order to collect compensation. And it was the Zionists who received 85-90% of the compensation...as opposed to those who truly had relatives who died in camps. It was war...and about as many German's died as well. All of this is documented but it is the Zionists and the Jews who continue to believe the lie and use it to their advantage. Throughout history all races have experienced mass death at one time or another...particularly at the hands of the Zionists. Nancy planetnews On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:21 AM, mary rose wrote: Steve you have a point here ? But let?s consider the statistics given in this paper: http://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/General/VictimsEngl.html The ?general figure? given for estimated Holocaust deaths is generally ?6 million? -- however in recent years the number has been reduced to 2.5 million as this URL shows, giving the reason why the figure has been changed. But what the author of this paper points out: ?whatever the number, wasn?t it far too many.? Which I feel is the point with what has happened with Palestine and Israel. Is not even 1 death one too many? Another thing the author of this paper points out is the number of what might be called: ?affiliated deaths? associated with the Holocaust which bring the number of deaths to double that of the death camps alone. Shouldn?t the larger question be: Is there any need for war and killing in today?s world? One that is supposedly civilized? And, shouldn?t we be focused on learning: ?why people do these kinds of things?? And thus begin intervention procedures before things escalate to the point where violence takes place? We would certainly do this with an individual ? why not with a country? For me, since I am involved in writing a book related to this, I have to ask the question as to whether or not the collective conscious of Israel can be compared with an abused child, in turn, becoming a child abuser, which is frequently, but not always, the case? From: Steve Bhaerman [mailto:swamib at saber.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:07 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: FW: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs 6,000 Jews killed in the Holocaust? Now you're in with Holocaust deniers? Absolutely amazing. Is it possible to condemn the genocidal crimes being committed by Israel today, and still recognize that the Nazi holocaust still happened? You're losing me ... and your credibility. Steve mary rose wrote: Thank you Sada Nam. For information to those participating in the Co-learner?s List, Sada Nam Kaur is now a member of Future Dawning. Born in England, she is now a resident of Spain and has an in depth understanding of Muslim culture as well as that of the Western world. As I have indicated previously, Future Dawning is a multi- dimensional organization. Our larger mission is to bring together a minimum of 1 million of the most creative people we can find worldwide, with the idea of bringing our heads and hearts together in an attempt to find resolution for some of the ?unprecedented in human history challenges we face today as the human family?. One facet of this larger mission is to identify people like Sada Nam who can dialog effectively with people in creating broader understanding among all parties engaged in situations where conflicts exist, thereby empowering the group to move into another level of conscious awareness wherein resolution may be found. Please welcome Sada Nam to our community of ?co-learners?. She has been listening to our current discussion for a few days. From: Sada Nam Kaur [mailto:sadanamkaur at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:16 AM To: Mary Rose Subject: RE: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Thank you Mary Rose, I believe it would be useful to have statistics as well. I believe that about 6,000 jews were killed in the concentration camps, how many muslims have been killed so far in Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Afganistan... The current massacre of muslims must be the largest genocide in the history of mankind, perhaps we can begin to call it as such. These figures must be available, for instance I have found the statistic that 0.3 million palestinians have died since 1967 http://gpolya.newsvine.com/_news/2009/01/04/2273360-reason-for-gaza-massacre -hamas-destruction-not-20-israeli-rocket-deaths-in-8-yrs- >From Wikipedia: The table below summarizes some of the Iraqi casualty figures. Source Iraqi deaths March 2003 to... Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 violent deaths. June 2006 Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths. June 2006 Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 violent deaths as a result of the conflict. August 2007 Iraq Body Count 91,059 ? 99,431 violent civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. February 2009 This is not to say of the 3000 American citizens that were killed in 11/9 in the name of this campaign. It would be also useful to have a list of all corporations that are involved in Israel so that we can create a boycott as was successfully done in South Africa. Finally and particularly importantly, when I look at the jewish question from a homeopathic point of view, there is a condition which is to create hatred from others and I believe this is in the jewish hologram, being a victim justifies all types of action. Therefore, it is really important that we name the situation, but do so neutrality. We simply say no and act without emotion, drama or blame and definitely without hatred. Instead in love for justice and peace. "There is no way to peace, peace is the way" Gandhi. This is imperitive or else we are just feeding the same cycle. This is what is so incredible in the majority of muslims (non Saudi read - american jew inspired fundamentalists). They do not react with violence, imagine how the American people would react if this number of its citizens had been killed. But the basis of Islam is compassion and fairness and it is a way of life as we have seen. All love Sada Nam _____ From: maryrose333 at att.net To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: FW: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:01:12 -0700 Rima, You and other Jews like you are going to have to come to terms with the fact that the banking system and the media, including Hollywood, are owned and run by Zionist Jews and that these people are very much involved with and influential in AIPAC. It has become quite evident that the United States is providing money and weapons to Israel so that that country can commit genocidal acts on the Palestinians as they did in the last attacks with money provided by the U.S . These acts are reprehensible to those of us who believe in peace as a pathway to the future. What are those of us who find these acts to be unacceptable supposed to do? Are we to ignore the situation? Are we to ignore that Jewish Zionist bankers are playing the rest of us for dopes, taking money out of our pockets and putting it into their pockets as fast as they can? And that the Zionist Jewish media is programming our minds? There is someone else on the Co-learner?s list who is Jewish and has stood up previously and written that he is concerned with the power of AIPAC and its influence here in the United States. I admire him for his sense of right and wrong, along with the ability to call a spade a spade. And, I simply do not understand your problem, Rima, unless you condone these actions? Is it OK with you for someone to do these kinds of things because they are Jews and perhaps ?better than the rest of us?? I have gone out of my way time and again to make it clear that not all Jews are Zionists, just as not ?all of the rest of us? are ?guilty free?. I do not like to use ?labels? but I do not know how else to identify people who are way out of line and need to be called on their game. Has it ever occurred to you, Rima, the risk that some of us take in speaking out? While I refuse to let fear rule me, I am conscious every day of what the consequences of speaking out may be. But I am as well aware of what the consequences will be if I do not do so. Too long have many of us been intimidated by this ?anti-semitic? crap which expects us to just bow down and accept whatever anyone wants to do to us. And I expect an answer from you. The last time we got into this area, I remember your writing that you felt the Jews had a right to the land in Gaza. Does that mean that you condone what is happening there? From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Dr. Rima Laibow Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:01 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Am I the only person that this rampant upsurge in anti-semitism bothers? Why is that? A headline like "Do the Jews Own Hollywood and the Media" can be seen as nothing short of an inflammatory call toward group hatred. It is called "Jew Baiting" and has a long history: when something is wrong with the State, the tactic of the state is to hate. Jews usually are the first targets, but it could be any "other" which is convenient. I fully support the invesigation and propagation of information about the Illuminati, Bildebergers, etc., etc. Let's be clear here: this type of hate mongering (sorry, that is exactly what it is, no matter how you rationalize it) is the fruit of a successful divide and conquer strategy by the very people whom we want to expose. Do you really think that the synagogues and temples of the Jews of Los Angeles, and the homes of the people who, like me, never go to synagogues or temples, are filled with talk of bringing down the US or how to deploy the media? How very foolish and naive! They are filled with the same conversations as churches, mosques and homes everywhere: finances, friends and family. Let's remember the concept of being the change we want to see. I personally would like to live in a world of mutual respect and clear-sighted honesty, not group-bashing and state controlled poverty. Please, Mary Rose, act as a responsible moderator and refuse to let your outstanding forum become a bill board for the scrawlings of those who build fear and loathing when they should be building scaffolds of light. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org www.HealthFreedomUSA.org On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM, mary rose wrote: You did not read what I wrote: What I wrote is that the Libertarian Party is very closely linked to the Mafia in Italy. I did not say there was a Libertarian Party in Italy. When there is only linking, it makes it very difficult to determine who is really who and doing what. From: FixGov at yahoogroups.com [mailto:FixGov at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Kiss?ll Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:26 AM To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Just out of curiosity, what to which Italian political party are you referring? AFAIK, there is no political party in Italy whose name would translate into English as "Libertarian Party". --- On Sun, 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: From: mary rose Subject: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net, "FixGov at yahoogroups. com" Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 8:07 PM And, it is my feeling we should be very careful with regard to the Libertarian Party as it is linked very closely with the Mafia in Italy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Members MARKETPLACE I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 332 bytes Desc: not available URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Tue May 12 13:34:02 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:34:02 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: FW: FW: [SPAM]Re: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Message-ID: <004601c9d338$9e2ae390$da80aab0$@net> A place from which to perhaps begin the healing? Good article, Thanks Steve From: Steve Bhaerman [mailto:swamib at saber.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:14 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: FW: FW: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Hi Mary Rose, Ah ... finally ... we are coming to a discussion we can have -- as to whether the collective psyche of Israel is that of an abused child that becomes an abuser. I'm attaching an article I wrote a couple of years ago that is still relevant now that at least begins the conversation. Feel free to circulate it ... Steve mary rose wrote: Steve you have a point here ? But let?s consider the statistics given in this paper: http://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/General/VictimsEngl.html The ?general figure? given for estimated Holocaust deaths is generally ?6 million? -- however in recent years the number has been reduced to 2.5 million as this URL shows, giving the reason why the figure has been changed. But what the author of this paper points out: ?whatever the number, wasn?t it far too many.? Which I feel is the point with what has happened with Palestine and Israel. Is not even 1 death one too many? Another thing the author of this paper points out is the number of what might be called: ?affiliated deaths? associated with the Holocaust which bring the number of deaths to double that of the death camps alone. Shouldn?t the larger question be: Is there any need for war and killing in today?s world? One that is supposedly civilized? And, shouldn?t we be focused on learning: ?why people do these kinds of things?? And thus begin intervention procedures before things escalate to the point where violence takes place? We would certainly do this with an individual ? why not with a country? For me, since I am involved in writing a book related to this, I have to ask the question as to whether or not the collective conscious of Israel can be compared with an abused child, in turn, becoming a child abuser, which is frequently, but not always, the case? From: Steve Bhaerman [mailto:swamib at saber.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:07 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: FW: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs 6,000 Jews killed in the Holocaust? Now you're in with Holocaust deniers? Absolutely amazing. Is it possible to condemn the genocidal crimes being committed by Israel today, and still recognize that the Nazi holocaust still happened? You're losing me ... and your credibility. Steve mary rose wrote: Thank you Sada Nam. For information to those participating in the Co-learner?s List, Sada Nam Kaur is now a member of Future Dawning. Born in England, she is now a resident of Spain and has an in depth understanding of Muslim culture as well as that of the Western world. As I have indicated previously, Future Dawning is a multi- dimensional organization. Our larger mission is to bring together a minimum of 1 million of the most creative people we can find worldwide, with the idea of bringing our heads and hearts together in an attempt to find resolution for some of the ?unprecedented in human history challenges we face today as the human family?. One facet of this larger mission is to identify people like Sada Nam who can dialog effectively with people in creating broader understanding among all parties engaged in situations where conflicts exist, thereby empowering the group to move into another level of conscious awareness wherein resolution may be found. Please welcome Sada Nam to our community of ?co-learners?. She has been listening to our current discussion for a few days. From: Sada Nam Kaur [mailto:sadanamkaur at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:16 AM To: Mary Rose Subject: RE: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Thank you Mary Rose, I believe it would be useful to have statistics as well. I believe that about 6,000 jews were killed in the concentration camps, how many muslims have been killed so far in Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Afganistan... The current massacre of muslims must be the largest genocide in the history of mankind, perhaps we can begin to call it as such. These figures must be available, for instance I have found the statistic that 0.3 million palestinians have died since 1967 http://gpolya.newsvine.com/_news/2009/01/04/2273360-reason-for-gaza-massacre -hamas-destruction-not-20-israeli-rocket-deaths-in-8-yrs- >From Wikipedia: The table below summarizes some of the Iraqi casualty figures. Source Iraqi deaths March 2003 to... Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 violent deaths. June 2006 Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths. June 2006 Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 violent deaths as a result of the conflict. August 2007 Iraq Body Count 91,059 ? 99,431 violent civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. February 2009 This is not to say of the 3000 American citizens that were killed in 11/9 in the name of this campaign. It would be also useful to have a list of all corporations that are involved in Israel so that we can create a boycott as was successfully done in South Africa. Finally and particularly importantly, when I look at the jewish question from a homeopathic point of view, there is a condition which is to create hatred from others and I believe this is in the jewish hologram, being a victim justifies all types of action. Therefore, it is really important that we name the situation, but do so neutrality. We simply say no and act without emotion, drama or blame and definitely without hatred. Instead in love for justice and peace. "There is no way to peace, peace is the way" Gandhi. This is imperitive or else we are just feeding the same cycle. This is what is so incredible in the majority of muslims (non Saudi read - american jew inspired fundamentalists). They do not react with violence, imagine how the American people would react if this number of its citizens had been killed. But the basis of Islam is compassion and fairness and it is a way of life as we have seen. All love Sada Nam _____ From: maryrose333 at att.net To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: FW: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:01:12 -0700 Rima, You and other Jews like you are going to have to come to terms with the fact that the banking system and the media, including Hollywood, are owned and run by Zionist Jews and that these people are very much involved with and influential in AIPAC. It has become quite evident that the United States is providing money and weapons to Israel so that that country can commit genocidal acts on the Palestinians as they did in the last attacks with money provided by the U.S . These acts are reprehensible to those of us who believe in peace as a pathway to the future. What are those of us who find these acts to be unacceptable supposed to do? Are we to ignore the situation? Are we to ignore that Jewish Zionist bankers are playing the rest of us for dopes, taking money out of our pockets and putting it into their pockets as fast as they can? And that the Zionist Jewish media is programming our minds? There is someone else on the Co-learner?s list who is Jewish and has stood up previously and written that he is concerned with the power of AIPAC and its influence here in the United States. I admire him for his sense of right and wrong, along with the ability to call a spade a spade. And, I simply do not understand your problem, Rima, unless you condone these actions? Is it OK with you for someone to do these kinds of things because they are Jews and perhaps ?better than the rest of us?? I have gone out of my way time and again to make it clear that not all Jews are Zionists, just as not ?all of the rest of us? are ?guilty free?. I do not like to use ?labels? but I do not know how else to identify people who are way out of line and need to be called on their game. Has it ever occurred to you, Rima, the risk that some of us take in speaking out? While I refuse to let fear rule me, I am conscious every day of what the consequences of speaking out may be. But I am as well aware of what the consequences will be if I do not do so. Too long have many of us been intimidated by this ?anti-semitic? crap which expects us to just bow down and accept whatever anyone wants to do to us. And I expect an answer from you. The last time we got into this area, I remember your writing that you felt the Jews had a right to the land in Gaza. Does that mean that you condone what is happening there? From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Dr. Rima Laibow Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:01 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Am I the only person that this rampant upsurge in anti-semitism bothers? Why is that? A headline like "Do the Jews Own Hollywood and the Media" can be seen as nothing short of an inflammatory call toward group hatred. It is called "Jew Baiting" and has a long history: when something is wrong with the State, the tactic of the state is to hate. Jews usually are the first targets, but it could be any "other" which is convenient. I fully support the invesigation and propagation of information about the Illuminati, Bildebergers, etc., etc. Let's be clear here: this type of hate mongering (sorry, that is exactly what it is, no matter how you rationalize it) is the fruit of a successful divide and conquer strategy by the very people whom we want to expose. Do you really think that the synagogues and temples of the Jews of Los Angeles, and the homes of the people who, like me, never go to synagogues or temples, are filled with talk of bringing down the US or how to deploy the media? How very foolish and naive! They are filled with the same conversations as churches, mosques and homes everywhere: finances, friends and family. Let's remember the concept of being the change we want to see. I personally would like to live in a world of mutual respect and clear-sighted honesty, not group-bashing and state controlled poverty. Please, Mary Rose, act as a responsible moderator and refuse to let your outstanding forum become a bill board for the scrawlings of those who build fear and loathing when they should be building scaffolds of light. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org www.HealthFreedomUSA.org On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM, mary rose wrote: You did not read what I wrote: What I wrote is that the Libertarian Party is very closely linked to the Mafia in Italy. I did not say there was a Libertarian Party in Italy. When there is only linking, it makes it very difficult to determine who is really who and doing what. From: FixGov at yahoogroups.com [mailto:FixGov at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Kiss?ll Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:26 AM To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Just out of curiosity, what to which Italian political party are you referring? AFAIK, there is no political party in Italy whose name would translate into English as "Libertarian Party". --- On Sun, 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: From: mary rose Subject: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net, "FixGov at yahoogroups. com" Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 8:07 PM And, it is my feeling we should be very careful with regard to the Libertarian Party as it is linked very closely with the Mafia in Italy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Members MARKETPLACE I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! 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By Texe Marrs Message-ID: <007d01c9d33b$92ebfc00$b8c3f400$@net> Thanks Sada Nam From: Sada Nam Kaur [mailto:sadanamkaur at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:32 PM To: Mary Rose Subject: RE: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs I am sorry I meant to put it at 6,000,000 as a generally distributed figure. However, I believe that to blame "race groups" is unhelpful. The point that I was trying to make is that it is no longer valid for jewish people to claim special dispensation for the number of "their" people who were killed by hitler, when figures would appear that as many if not more muslims have been killed in the name of oil and power. _____ From: maryrose333 at att.net To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: FW: FW: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:21:41 -0700 Steve you have a point here ? But let?s consider the statistics given in this paper: http://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/General/VictimsEngl.html The ?general figure? given for estimated Holocaust deaths is generally ?6 million? -- however in recent years the number has been reduced to 2.5 million as this URL shows, giving the reason why the figure has been changed. But what the author of this paper points out: ?whatever the number, wasn?t it far too many.? Which I feel is the point with what has happened with Palestine and Israel. Is not even 1 death one too many? Another thing the author of this paper points out is the number of what might be called: ?affiliated deaths? associated with the Holocaust which bring the number of deaths to double that of the death camps alone. Shouldn?t the larger question be: Is there any need for war and killing in today?s world? One that is supposedly civilized? And, shouldn?t we be focused on learning: ?why people do these kinds of things?? And thus begin intervention procedures before things escalate to the point where violence takes place? We would certainly do this with an individual ? why not with a country? For me, since I am involved in writing a book related to this, I have to ask the question as to whether or not the collective conscious of Israel can be compared with an abused child, in turn, becoming a child abuser, which is frequently, but not always, the case? From: Steve Bhaerman [mailto:swamib at saber.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:07 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: FW: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs 6,000 Jews killed in the Holocaust? Now you're in with Holocaust deniers? Absolutely amazing. Is it possible to condemn the genocidal crimes being committed by Israel today, and still recognize that the Nazi holocaust still happened? You're losing me ... and your credibility. Steve mary rose wrote: Thank you Sada Nam. For information to those participating in the Co-learner?s List, Sada Nam Kaur is now a member of Future Dawning. Born in England, she is now a resident of Spain and has an in depth understanding of Muslim culture as well as that of the Western world. As I have indicated previously, Future Dawning is a multi- dimensional organization. Our larger mission is to bring together a minimum of 1 million of the most creative people we can find worldwide, with the idea of bringing our heads and hearts together in an attempt to find resolution for some of the ?unprecedented in human history challenges we face today as the human family?. One facet of this larger mission is to identify people like Sada Nam who can dialog effectively with people in creating broader understanding among all parties engaged in situations where conflicts exist, thereby empowering the group to move into another level of conscious awareness wherein resolution may be found. Please welcome Sada Nam to our community of ?co-learners?. She has been listening to our current discussion for a few days. From: Sada Nam Kaur [mailto:sadanamkaur at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:16 AM To: Mary Rose Subject: RE: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Thank you Mary Rose, I believe it would be useful to have statistics as well. I believe that about 6,000 jews were killed in the concentration camps, how many muslims have been killed so far in Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Afganistan... The current massacre of muslims must be the largest genocide in the history of mankind, perhaps we can begin to call it as such. These figures must be available, for instance I have found the statistic that 0.3 million palestinians have died since 1967 http://gpolya.newsvine.com/_news/2009/01/04/2273360-reason-for-gaza-massacre -hamas-destruction-not-20-israeli-rocket-deaths-in-8-yrs- >From Wikipedia: The table below summarizes some of the Iraqi casualty figures. Source Iraqi deaths March 2003 to... Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 violent deaths. June 2006 Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths. June 2006 Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 violent deaths as a result of the conflict. August 2007 Iraq Body Count 91,059 ? 99,431 violent civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. February 2009 This is not to say of the 3000 American citizens that were killed in 11/9 in the name of this campaign. It would be also useful to have a list of all corporations that are involved in Israel so that we can create a boycott as was successfully done in South Africa. Finally and particularly importantly, when I look at the jewish question from a homeopathic point of view, there is a condition which is to create hatred from others and I believe this is in the jewish hologram, being a victim justifies all types of action. Therefore, it is really important that we name the situation, but do so neutrality. We simply say no and act without emotion, drama or blame and definitely without hatred. Instead in love for justice and peace. "There is no way to peace, peace is the way" Gandhi. This is imperitive or else we are just feeding the same cycle. This is what is so incredible in the majority of muslims (non Saudi read - american jew inspired fundamentalists). They do not react with violence, imagine how the American people would react if this number of its citizens had been killed. But the basis of Islam is compassion and fairness and it is a way of life as we have seen. All love Sada Nam _____ From: maryrose333 at att.net To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: FW: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:01:12 -0700 Rima, You and other Jews like you are going to have to come to terms with the fact that the banking system and the media, including Hollywood, are owned and run by Zionist Jews and that these people are very much involved with and influential in AIPAC. It has become quite evident that the United States is providing money and weapons to Israel so that that country can commit genocidal acts on the Palestinians as they did in the last attacks with money provided by the U.S . These acts are reprehensible to those of us who believe in peace as a pathway to the future. What are those of us who find these acts to be unacceptable supposed to do? Are we to ignore the situation? Are we to ignore that Jewish Zionist bankers are playing the rest of us for dopes, taking money out of our pockets and putting it into their pockets as fast as they can? And that the Zionist Jewish media is programming our minds? There is someone else on the Co-learner?s list who is Jewish and has stood up previously and written that he is concerned with the power of AIPAC and its influence here in the United States. I admire him for his sense of right and wrong, along with the ability to call a spade a spade. And, I simply do not understand your problem, Rima, unless you condone these actions? Is it OK with you for someone to do these kinds of things because they are Jews and perhaps ?better than the rest of us?? I have gone out of my way time and again to make it clear that not all Jews are Zionists, just as not ?all of the rest of us? are ?guilty free?. I do not like to use ?labels? but I do not know how else to identify people who are way out of line and need to be called on their game. Has it ever occurred to you, Rima, the risk that some of us take in speaking out? While I refuse to let fear rule me, I am conscious every day of what the consequences of speaking out may be. But I am as well aware of what the consequences will be if I do not do so. Too long have many of us been intimidated by this ?anti-semitic? crap which expects us to just bow down and accept whatever anyone wants to do to us. And I expect an answer from you. The last time we got into this area, I remember your writing that you felt the Jews had a right to the land in Gaza. Does that mean that you condone what is happening there? From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Dr. Rima Laibow Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:01 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Am I the only person that this rampant upsurge in anti-semitism bothers? Why is that? A headline like "Do the Jews Own Hollywood and the Media" can be seen as nothing short of an inflammatory call toward group hatred. It is called "Jew Baiting" and has a long history: when something is wrong with the State, the tactic of the state is to hate. Jews usually are the first targets, but it could be any "other" which is convenient. I fully support the invesigation and propagation of information about the Illuminati, Bildebergers, etc., etc. Let's be clear here: this type of hate mongering (sorry, that is exactly what it is, no matter how you rationalize it) is the fruit of a successful divide and conquer strategy by the very people whom we want to expose. Do you really think that the synagogues and temples of the Jews of Los Angeles, and the homes of the people who, like me, never go to synagogues or temples, are filled with talk of bringing down the US or how to deploy the media? How very foolish and naive! They are filled with the same conversations as churches, mosques and homes everywhere: finances, friends and family. Let's remember the concept of being the change we want to see. I personally would like to live in a world of mutual respect and clear-sighted honesty, not group-bashing and state controlled poverty. Please, Mary Rose, act as a responsible moderator and refuse to let your outstanding forum become a bill board for the scrawlings of those who build fear and loathing when they should be building scaffolds of light. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org www.HealthFreedomUSA.org On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM, mary rose wrote: You did not read what I wrote: What I wrote is that the Libertarian Party is very closely linked to the Mafia in Italy. I did not say there was a Libertarian Party in Italy. When there is only linking, it makes it very difficult to determine who is really who and doing what. From: FixGov at yahoogroups.com [mailto:FixGov at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Kiss?ll Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:26 AM To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Just out of curiosity, what to which Italian political party are you referring? AFAIK, there is no political party in Italy whose name would translate into English as "Libertarian Party". --- On Sun, 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: From: mary rose Subject: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net, "FixGov at yahoogroups. com" Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 8:07 PM And, it is my feeling we should be very careful with regard to the Libertarian Party as it is linked very closely with the Mafia in Italy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Members MARKETPLACE I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! 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But, I cannot help but bring in the information here as revealed in author Gregg Braden's book: Fractal Time, as well as that of other author/researchers, e.g., Itzhak Bentov - Stalking the Wild Pendulum: On the Mechanics of Consciousness, that history repeats itself in patterns which may be traced back over time. What appears is that the energy of the universe itself, that is energy from the "galactic field" (for example sunspots) has an impact upon the human energy field far in excess of what we have previously recognized. And this impact reveals itself as acts of consciousness in the human mind. What is as yet unknown is whether or not the "intention" of the human mind can override the effects of the galactic field on the human body. -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:40 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Who Are the Real Psychopaths in Afghanistan? Who Are the Real Psychopaths in Afghanistan? By Chris Hedges, Truthdig. Posted May 11, 2009. http://www.alternet.org/story/139965/who_are_the_real_psychopaths_in_afghani stan/ The U.S. has killed twice as many Afghan civilians as the Taliban this year and that number is sure to rise. The bodies of dozens, perhaps well over a hundred, women, children and men, their corpses blown into bits of human flesh by iron fragmentation bombs dropped by U.S. warplanes in a village in the western province of Farah, illustrates the futility of the Afghan war. We are not delivering democracy or liberation or development. We are delivering massive, sophisticated forms of industrial slaughter. And because we have employed the blunt and horrible instrument of war in a land we know little about and are incapable of reading, we embody the barbarism we claim to be seeking to defeat. We are morally no different from the psychopaths within the Taliban, who Afghans remember we empowered, funded and armed during the 10-year war with the Soviet Union. Acid thrown into a girl's face or beheadings? Death delivered from the air or fields of shiny cluster bombs? This is the language of war. It is what we speak. It is what those we fight speak. Afghan survivors carted some two dozen corpses from their villages to the provincial capital in trucks this week to publicly denounce the carnage. Some 2,000 angry Afghans in the streets of the capital chanted "Death to America!" But the grief, fear and finally rage of the bereaved do not touch those who use high-minded virtues to justify slaughter. The death of innocents, they assure us, is the tragic cost of war. It is regrettable, but it happens. It is the price that must be paid. And so, guided by a president who once again has no experience of war and defers to the bull-necked generals and militarists whose careers, power and profits depend on expanded war, we are transformed into monsters. There will soon be 21,000 additional U.S. soldiers and Marines in Afghanistan in time for the expected surge in summer fighting. There will be more clashes, more airstrikes, more deaths and more despair and anger from those forced to bury their parents, sisters, brothers and children. The grim report of the killings in the airstrike, issued by the International Committee of the Red Cross, which stated that bombs hit civilian houses and noted that an ICRC counterpart in the Red Crescent was among the dead, will become familiar reading in the weeks and months ahead. We are the best recruiting weapon the Taliban possesses. We have enabled it to rise from the ashes seven years ago to openly control over half the country and carry out daylight attacks in the capital Kabul. And the war we wage is being exported like a virus to Pakistan in the form of drones that bomb Pakistani villages and increased clashes between the inept Pakistani military and a restive internal insurgency. I spoke in New York City a few days ago with Dr. Juliette Fournot, who lived with her parents in Afghanistan as a teenager, speaks Dari and led teams of French doctors and nurses from Mdecins Sans Frontires, or Doctors Without Borders, into Afghanistan during the war with the Soviets. She participated in the opening of clandestine cross-border medical operations missions between 1980 and 1982 and became head of the French humanitarian mission in Afghanistan in 1983. Dr. Fournot established logistical bases in Peshawar and Quetta and organized the dozen cross-border and clandestine permanent missions in the resistance-held areas of Herat, Mazar-i-Sharif, Badakhshan, Paktia, Ghazni and Hazaradjat, through which more than 500 international aid workers rotated. She is one of the featured characters in a remarkable book called "The Photographer," produced by photojournalist Didier Lefvre and graphic novelist Emmanuel Guibert. The book tells the story of a three-month mission in 1986 into Afghanistan led by Dr. Fournot. It is an unflinching look at the cost of war, what bombs, shells and bullets do to human souls and bodies. It exposes, in a way the rhetoric of our politicians and generals do not, the blind destructive fury of war. The French humanitarian group withdrew from Afghanistan in July 2004 after five of its aid workers were assassinated in a clearly marked vehicle. "The American ground troops are midterm in a history that started roughly in 1984 and 1985 when the State Department decided to assist the Mujahedeen, the resistance fighters, through various programs and military aid. USAID, the humanitarian arm serving political and military purposes, was the seed for having a different kind of interaction with the Afghans," she told me. "The Afghans were very grateful to receive arms and military equipment from the Americans." "But the way USAID distributed its humanitarian assistance was very debatable," she went on. "It still puzzles me. They gave most of it to the Islamic groups such as the Hezb-e Islami of [Gulbuddin] Hekmatyar. And I think it is possibly because they were more interested in the future stability of Pakistan rather than saving Afghanistan. Afghanistan was probably a good ground to hit and drain the blood from the Soviet Union. I did not see a plan to rebuild or bring peace to Afghanistan. It seemed that Afghanistan was a tool to weaken the Soviet Union. It was mostly left to the Pakistani intelligence services to decide what would be best and how to do it and how by doing so they could strengthen themselves." The Pakistanis, Dr. Fournot said, developed a close relationship with Saudi Arabia. The Saudis, like the Americans, flooded the country with money and also exported conservative and often radical Wahhabi clerics. The Americans, aware of the relationship with the Saudis as well as Pakistan's secret program to build nuclear weapons, looked the other way. Washington sowed, unwittingly, the seeds of destruction in Afghanistan and Pakistan. It trained, armed and empowered the militants who now kill them. The relationship, she said, bewildered most Afghans, who did not look favorably upon this radical form of Islam. Most Afghans, she said, wondered why American aid went almost exclusively to the Islamic radicals and not to more moderate and secular resistance movements. "The population wondered why they did not have more credibility with the Americans," she said. "They could not understand why the aid was stopped in Pakistan and distributed to political parties that had limited reach in Afghanistan. These parties stockpiled arms and started fighting each other. What the people got in the provinces was miniscule and irrelevant. And how did the people see all this? They had great hopes in the beginning and gradually became disappointed, bitter and then felt betrayed. This laid the groundwork for the current suspicion, distrust and disappointment with the U.S. and NATO." Dr. Fournot sees the American project in Afghanistan as mirroring that of the doomed Soviet occupation that began in December 1979. A beleaguered Afghan population, brutalized by chaos and violence, desperately hoped for stability and peace. The Soviets, like the Americans, spoke of equality, economic prosperity, development, education, women's rights and political freedom. But within two years, the ugly face of Soviet domination had unmasked the flowery rhetoric. The Afghans launched their insurgency to drive the Soviets out of the country. Dr. Fournot fears that years of war have shattered the concept of nationhood. "There is so much personal and mental destruction," she said. "Over 70 percent of the population has never known anything else but war. Kids do not go to school. War is normality. It gives that adrenaline rush that provides a momentary sense of high, and that is what they live on. And how can you build a nation on that?" The Pashtuns, she noted, have built an alliance with the Taliban to restore Pashtun power that was lost in the 2001 invasion. The border between Pakistan and Afghanistan is, to the Pashtuns, a meaningless demarcation that was drawn by imperial powers through the middle of their tribal lands. There are 13 million Pashtuns in Afghanistan and another 28 million in Pakistan. The Pashtuns are fighting forces in Islamabad and Kabul they see as seeking to wrest from them their honor and autonomy. They see little difference between the Pakistani military, American troops and the Afghan army. Islamabad, while it may battle Taliban forces in Swat or the provinces, does not regard the Taliban as a mortal enemy. The enemy is and has always been India. The balance of power with India requires the Pakistani authorities to ensure that any Afghan government is allied with it. This means it cannot push the Pashtuns in the Northwest Frontier Province or in Afghanistan too far. It must keep its channels open. The cat-and-mouse game between the Pakistani authorities and the Pashtuns, which drives Washington to fury, will never end. Islamabad needs the Pashtuns in Pakistan and Afghanistan more than the Pashtuns need them. The U.S. fuels the bonfires of war. The more troops we send to Afghanistan, the more drones we send on bombing runs over Pakistan, the more airstrikes we carry out, the worse the unraveling will become. We have killed twice as many civilians as the Taliban this year and that number is sure to rise in the coming months. "I find this term 'collateral damage' dehumanizing," Dr. Fournot said, "as if it is a necessity. People are sacrificed on the altar of an idea. Air power is blind. I know this from having been caught in numerous bombings." We are faced with two stark choices. We can withdraw and open negotiations with the Taliban or continue to expand the war until we are driven out. The corrupt and unpopular regimes of Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan and Asif Ali Zardari are impotent allies. The longer they remain tethered to the United States, the weaker they become. And the weaker they become, the louder become the calls for intervention in Pakistan. During the war in Vietnam, we invaded Cambodia to bring stability to the region and cut off rebel sanctuaries and supply routes. This tactic only empowered the Khmer Rouge. We seem poised, in much the same way, to do the same for radical Islamists in Afghanistan and Pakistan. "If the Americans step up the war in Afghanistan, they will be sucked into Pakistan," Dr. Fournot warned. "Pakistan is a time bomb waiting to explode. You have a huge population, 170 million people. There is nuclear power. Pakistan is much more dangerous than Afghanistan. War always has its own logic. Once you set foot in war, you do not control it. It sucks you in." From hermann at picknowl.com.au Mon May 11 19:26:55 2009 From: hermann at picknowl.com.au (John Hermann) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:56:55 +0930 Subject: [GJM] Collapse of Tower Number Seven .... In-Reply-To: <02e001c9d276$29ec84b0$0301a8c0@your447023ae6b> References: <004001c9d270$eb366330$c1a32990$@net> <02e001c9d276$29ec84b0$0301a8c0@your447023ae6b> Message-ID: <200905120126.n4C1QuO4016046@mail12.tpg.com.au> >There are just too many loose ends here the same as there were in >President Kennedy's assassination, yet almost no one is asking the >questions that need to be asked. There are far too may loose ends to make the official line in any way credible. The simple fact that some of the alleged perpetrators of the aircraft hijackings (who were supposed to have suicided in the interests of their cause) are demonstrably still alive, is cause in itself for grave concern. The people who run the world's media empires, with few exceptions, have dismissed all deviations from the official line (the official conspiracy theory, cooked up and disseminated by the neocons) as unworthy of consideration or investigation. John Hermann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From releyes at gmail.com Tue May 12 02:26:00 2009 From: releyes at gmail.com (Dr. Rima Laibow) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 03:26:00 -0500 Subject: [GJM] Comment by Mary Nelson Re: FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? In-Reply-To: <005801c9d2b9$7c9e1f50$75da5df0$@net> References: <005801c9d2b9$7c9e1f50$75da5df0$@net> Message-ID: <503a10ac0905120125y61e514en1c16f3a619faf7cb@mail.gmail.com> > > > > > MaryRose, > I am astonished that you would write the letter which I have included below. I will tell you why in interleaved comments. > > Rima, You and other Jews like you > Other Jews like me? Brown haired? Intellectual? Wearing glasses? Female? Doctors? Political Activists? 5'4"? Just exactly what kind of a Jew am I, Mary Rose? A Zionist? A libertarian? A liberal? A conservative? A devout worshiper? A non-believer? A Hassid? A feminist? A vegetarian? A gardner? Suddenly you are flinging around phrases such as "You and other Jews like you" and we are into the ugly land of stereotypes. Like me, love me, hate me, but do it on a personal basis since I am a person, not a group. > are going to have to come to terms with > You assume that I do not know quite clearly that the banking families, illuminati, etc., believe they are in charge of the world. You have obviously not had time to read what I write continually. I also know that the reality is that power is the religion of the destroyers, not any creed. Let's not be naive here, MaryRose. > the fact that the banking system and the media, including Hollywood, are > owned and run by Zionist Jews and that these people are very much involved > with and influential in AIPAC. It has become quite evident that the > United States is providing money and weapons to Israel so that that country > can commit genocidal acts on the Palestinians as they did in the last > attacks with money provided by the U.S . > > > > These acts are reprehensible to those of us who believe in peace as a > pathway to the future. > These acts ARE reprehensible. On this one you are quite right. Evil is evil, no matter who commits it. Violence is violence and crimes against humanity are crimes against humanity. Was Pol Pot Jewish because he conducted a vile genocide? How about rageful Southern Whites who lynched blacks? Were the KKK villans, crying out to their sweet Jesus, controlled by Jews, too? > What are those of us who find these acts to be unacceptable supposed to > do? Are we to ignore the situation? Are we to ignore that Jewish Zionist > bankers are playing the rest of us for dopes, taking money out of our > pockets and putting it into their pockets as fast as they can? And that the > Zionist Jewish media is programming our minds? > Get over it, Mary Rose. When confronted with specifics and statistics, suddenly "Zionists" are Mormons and Catholics and God knows what religion. Your label does not work. People can be evil withtout being Jewish and can be Jewish without being evil. Find another label which matches the reality. The ones you are using provoke hatred and divisivness - just what the controllers thrive on. Look at the comments which your the initial post in the series has drawn - now we've got people with shivers running up their backs because they have Jewish friends whom they are now scared by. Thanks. That really helps us all be the change we want to see! > > > There is someone else on the Co-learner?s list who is Jewish and has stood > up previously and written that he is concerned with the power of AIPAC and > its influence here in the United States. I admire him for his sense of > right and wrong, along with the ability to call a spade a spade. > I never said I was not concerned with AIPAC or that I was not. My comments were to something different: hatred and the breeding of more hatred. > > > > And, I simply do not understand your problem, Rima, unless you condone > these actions? > Wow! First I have a problem (probably that I take a different position and have not gone away despite the way you have responded to me - or maybe the fact that I am not towing the particular line your posts are hewing to) and then, because you do not understand my position (which you style a problem) I condone "these actions"? What, may I ask, happened to respectful discourse and the ability to conduct it without ad hominim argumentation? I am not attacking you, nor do I suggest you have a problem, MaryRose. How about a little more of that change you want to be? > Is it OK with you for someone to do these kinds of things because they are > Jews and perhaps ?better than the rest of us?? > Where did you come up with that? It is NOT OK with me to foster hatred and it is not OK with me to violate the rights and lives of others, no matter what sect or group they belong to or who wants the land on which they live. Please, do me the kindness of refraining from this kind of smear argument. If I do not agree with your forumulation that does not mean that I support what you oppose. Your logic is far from robust here. > > > > I have gone out of my way time and again to make it clear that not all Jews > are Zionists, just as not ?all of the rest of us? are ?guilty free?. > And I have gone out of my way to focus my argument on the result of these labels which are, according to your posts as well as that of others, not accurate. > I do not like to use ?labels? > Well, using a phrase like "You and other Jews like you" sure makes it hard to tell that you do not like to use "lables" since that is exactly what you have done in a most "label like" way. > but I do not know how else to identify people who are way out of line > Way out of line? Does that mean that they (in this case, I) disagree with something you agree with or have written? Who draws the line that "they" are out of, MaryRose? Just exactly how does that work? I rather thought that we all had the right to have our own opinions and, as "co-learners" also had the right to disagree with what someone else said. I must admit that I assumed that courtesy and an appreciation of diversity of awareness were appreciated values here so I guess I am having trouble seeing the line and understanding what it means to be way out of it. > and need to be called on their game. > Another astonishing idea. Someone who is "way out of line" according to the line drawer (You, by any chance?) "needs" "to be called on their game"? Again, just exactly how does this work? Who gets to do the calling? Who decides what the "game" is? I would like to be read into the line drawing and game calling programs. It sounds like a whole lot of fun, actually, to be the decider. Is that slot vacent now that the White House occupant has changed? This is, when you look at it at all closely, absurd. I assume you mean that you don't like what I said. > > > Has it ever occurred to you, Rima, the risk that some of us take in > speaking out? > Well, yes. I have noticed that. I am the author of a great many things that the establishment does not like at a great many levels. I have faced down the US government's annointed representatives on a couple of occassions and won (e.g., when I mustered the opposition at a Codex meeting that defeated the US - led proposal to allow high levels of fluoride in baby formula at the Codex Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Uses meeting in Thailand. I have been the subject of rather nasty assaults of several types and still continue my work (see www.GlobalHealthFreedom.orgfor some examples). I gave up a lucrative practice of drug free medicine and a lovely home to do the work that I do defending your health freedom, Mary Rose and dare say that I understand the risks that some of us take in speaking out more than most do. > While I refuse to let fear rule me, I am conscious every day of what the > consequences of speaking out may be. > As as I. I celebrate all of us who speak out fearlessly despite our clear understanding of what the risks are. That is why I am so astonished when you attack me instead of discoursing with me. We do not need to do to each other what the other side is perfectly happy to do to us through disinformation and assault. > But I am as well aware of what the consequences will be if I do not do so. > > Me, too! > Too long have many of us been intimidated by this ?anti-semitic? crap which > expects us to just bow down and accept whatever anyone wants to do to us. > You know, when I was practicing psychiatry (drug free, of course), a button someone gave me said, "Even paranoids have real enemies!" Consider this: there might be, just might be, real anit-semitism which is inappropriate, ugly, divisive, unnecessary, dangerous and evil. And then there might be information about what the power mad lunatics of all stripes are trying to do. How about separating them so that the enemy -real - is carefully deliniated and the enemy - imagined - is not included when there is no reality to that side of the house. Try it. Once you get that sorted out, I am with you. Evil is evil and uses religion and race to further its goals. But focusing on religion or race furthers its goals, albeit unwittingly. I am sure that is not your goal. I have been reading what you write for some time now and I think you are a person of good will and good intent. Please take some time to consider what I am saying and I think you will find it useful and grow from the consideration. I hope so. > > > And I expect an answer from you. > You have an answer from me although I am once again astonished that you would demand an reply from me in this way. Respect? Do you actually have the right to demand an answer from me or from anyone else using this tone in a public forum? if so, please explain how that works, too. > The last time we got into this area, I remember your writing that you felt > the Jews had a right to the land in Gaza. > I said no such thing. What I said was that the Palestinians left their homes on the promise that the Jews would be drivien into the sea and they could come home to take back their homes AND what the Jews posessed. They created the exodus and their refugee status. That in no way should, or, to my mind, could, be construed to mean that the Jews have a right to the land in Gaza or that what is happening there is forgiveable. Another momemt of astonishment! But if I did feel that they had a right to the land, what would that mean? That I am one of the group you call "other Jews like me"? See what I mean? I am an individual with a different take on things. I am not a stereotype and do not believe you can possibly believe that about people when you think it through. > Does that mean that you condone what is happening there? > See above. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.HealthFreedomUSA.org www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org > > > > > > > *From:* discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [ > mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] > *On Behalf Of *Dr. Rima Laibow > *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2009 1:01 PM > *To:* Discussion Forum for Global Justice > *Subject:* [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The > Media? By Texe Marrs > > > > Am I the only person that this rampant upsurge in anti-semitism bothers? > Why is that? A headline like "Do the Jews Own Hollywood and the Media" can > be seen as nothing short of an inflammatory call toward group hatred. It is > called "Jew Baiting" and has a long history: when something is wrong with > the State, the tactic of the state is to hate. Jews usually are the first > targets, but it could be any "other" which is convenient. > I fully support the invesigation and propagation of information about the > Illuminati, Bildebergers, etc., etc. Let's be clear here: this type of hate > mongering (sorry, that is exactly what it is, no matter how you rationalize > it) is the fruit of a successful divide and conquer strategy by the very > people whom we want to expose. > Do you really think that the synagogues and temples of the Jews of Los > Angeles, and the homes of the people who, like me, never go to synagogues or > temples, are filled with talk of bringing down the US or how to deploy the > media? How very foolish and naive! They are filled with the same > conversations as churches, mosques and homes everywhere: finances, friends > and family. > Let's remember the concept of being the change we want to see. I > personally would like to live in a world of mutual respect and clear-sighted > honesty, not group-bashing and state controlled poverty. > Please, Mary Rose, act as a responsible moderator and refuse to let your > outstanding forum become a bill board for the scrawlings of those who build > fear and loathing when they should be building scaffolds of light. > Yours in health and freedom, > Dr. Rima > Rima E. Laibow, MD > Medical Director > Natural Solutions Foundation > www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org > www.HealthFreedomUSA.org > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM, mary rose wrote: > > You did not read what I wrote: What I wrote is that the Libertarian Party > is very closely linked to the Mafia in Italy. > > I did not say there was a Libertarian Party in Italy. When there is only > linking, it makes it very difficult to determine who is really who and doing > what. > > > > *From:* FixGov at yahoogroups.com [mailto:FixGov at yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf > Of *Rick Kiss?ll > *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2009 7:26 AM > *To:* FixGov at yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By > Texe Marrs > > > > > > Just out of curiosity, what to which Italian political party are you > referring? AFAIK, there is no political party in Italy whose name would > translate into English as "Libertarian Party". > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, mary rose > > wrote: > > From: mary rose > > Subject: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? 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Message-ID: <000201c9d41d$7010a950$5031fbf0$@net> Thank you Sada Nam. From: Sada Nam Kaur [mailto:sadanamkaur at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:26 AM To: Mary Rose; discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; fixgov at yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [globalnetnews-summary] Who Are the Real Psychopaths in Afghanistan? I realised that I made a mistake when I said that the genocide of muslims is perhaps the greatest human kind. I found out this morning that the native american population before the arrival of the europeans was 60 million. By 1940 there only remained 800,000, That is over 59 million people killed. I also learned that 100 million black people were killed through the slave trade. So I began to reflect on what we can as individuals change and what we can influence: We can influence by being involved in these types of conversations and by sharing. We can influence by inspiring and informing people in our locality. We can change internally and externally. Internally: I consider the inner causes and the inner solutions, so the inner impulses of my mind that I will learn to control and those that I will develop(I don?t claim this list to be exhaustive but it fills the 80:20 rule). I moment by moment learn to control the following (inner causes): * Jealousy, * criticism, * meanness, * sense of superiority/eliteness/the chosen, * sense of inferiority * fear, * fulfilling so many of my desires, * need for status or need to be "someone", * dissatisfaction, * self-righteousness, * taking care of me and mine, * taking short-cuts or the easy path * feelings of entitlement, * laziness, * wanting to receive more than the effort or energy that I give. Moment by moment I learn to develop the following (inner solutions): * Tolerance and desire to understand others world view * generosity * loving kindness * selfless service * love * inner plenitude * the ability to think and feel together with people who don?t think and feel the same as I do * energy and effort * faith * maintaining and protecting dignity * simplicity * honesty * compassion * order and structure * commitment However, this amounts to little if I am unable to convert it into external actions and changes, some of which include: * reducing the amount of petroleum I use to a minimum (I probably use it 2 times per month) * buying seasonal locally grown vegetables * I am looking currently for a small piece of land to develop my own vegetable garden * eating a largely vegetarian diet * having a simple wardrobe and where possible buying second hand clothes and other items * shopping as little as I can * shopping as little as I can from the supermarket (so creating almost no rubbish, only compost) * looking after my belongings so that they last as long as possible and mending rather than replacing things * supporting the transition town project leaders in my town to successfully develop this project here * supporing all the people I know who are creating positive projects to help them be successful * leaving my highly paid corporate management consulting job and instead using those same skills to help people live a simple and fulfilled life * speaking my truth when people are treading on the dignity of others, even if this makes me unpopular * giving my husband the time, understanding and attention he needs * resolving differences peacefully with him to create win win solutions * giving my children the time, attention, understanding, discipline and education that they need * getting up at 6 every morning to complete a kundalini yoga practice and then continue with my day * watching no television * being active and putting energy into being a positive force in the world * using my words to uplift rather than pull down * Using banks as little as possible * Daily meditating on and visualising every being having sufficient food, shelter and safety * Giving as little time and energy to the attrocities and actions of the people behind them, just enough to inform me of the actions that I and other individuals need to take It has taken me time and consistent effort over years to develop these habits and I am sure that there are more that I can do. For example as hard as I tried to avoid it a couple of years ago I ended up having to take out a mortgage, thinking it would be for a short period of time. I still have this mortgage and each day try to use my creativity to find a way of paying it back. I am constantly trying to learn from others how to reduce the pressure that my existence puts on the earth and the beings who live here with me. This how I try to create the highest leaverage that my presence can, it would be interesting to know the effect it would have if every person in the west moved to this way of life. All love Sada Nam > From: maryrose333 at att.net > To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com > Subject: FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Who Are the Real Psychopaths in Afghanistan? > Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:47:37 -0700 > > Relative to our discussion on Israel and Palestine, the question this > article brings up must be included. > > But, I cannot help but bring in the information here as revealed in author > Gregg Braden's book: Fractal Time, as well as that of other > author/researchers, e.g., Itzhak Bentov - Stalking the Wild Pendulum: On the > Mechanics of Consciousness, that history repeats itself in patterns which > may be traced back over time. What appears is that the energy of the > universe itself, that is energy from the "galactic field" (for example > sunspots) has an impact upon the human energy field far in excess of what we > have previously recognized. And this impact reveals itself as acts of > consciousness in the human mind. What is as yet unknown is whether or not > the "intention" of the human mind can override the effects of the galactic > field on the human body. > > -----Original Message----- > From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net > [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of > TradingPostPaul > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:40 PM > To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net > Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Who Are the Real Psychopaths in > Afghanistan? > > > > Who Are the Real Psychopaths in Afghanistan? > By Chris Hedges, Truthdig. Posted May 11, 2009. > http://www.alternet.org/story/139965/who_are_the_real_psychopaths_in_afghani > stan/ > > The U.S. has killed twice as many Afghan civilians as the Taliban this year > and that number is sure to rise. > > The bodies of dozens, perhaps well over a hundred, women, children and men, > their corpses blown into bits of human flesh by iron fragmentation bombs > dropped by U.S. warplanes in a village in the western province of Farah, > illustrates the futility of the Afghan war. We are not delivering democracy > or liberation or development. We are delivering massive, sophisticated > forms of industrial slaughter. And because we have employed the blunt and > horrible instrument of war in a land we know little about and are incapable > of reading, we embody the barbarism we claim to be seeking to defeat. > > We are morally no different from the psychopaths within the Taliban, who > Afghans remember we empowered, funded and armed during the 10-year war with > the Soviet Union. Acid thrown into a girl's face or beheadings? Death > delivered from the air or fields of shiny cluster bombs? This is the > language of war. It is what we speak. It is what those we fight speak. > > Afghan survivors carted some two dozen corpses from their villages to the > provincial capital in trucks this week to publicly denounce the carnage. > Some 2,000 angry Afghans in the streets of the capital chanted "Death to > America!" But the grief, fear and finally rage of the bereaved do not touch > those who use high-minded virtues to justify slaughter. The death of > innocents, they assure us, is the tragic cost of war. It is regrettable, > but it happens. It is the price that must be paid. And so, guided by a > president who once again has no experience of war and defers to the > bull-necked generals and militarists whose careers, power and profits > depend on expanded war, we are transformed into monsters. > > There will soon be 21,000 additional U.S. soldiers and Marines in > Afghanistan in time for the expected surge in summer fighting. There will > be more clashes, more airstrikes, more deaths and more despair and anger > from those forced to bury their parents, sisters, brothers and children. > The grim report of the killings in the airstrike, issued by the > International Committee of the Red Cross, which stated that bombs hit > civilian houses and noted that an ICRC counterpart in the Red Crescent was > among the dead, will become familiar reading in the weeks and months ahead. > > We are the best recruiting weapon the Taliban possesses. We have enabled it > to rise from the ashes seven years ago to openly control over half the > country and carry out daylight attacks in the capital Kabul. And the war we > wage is being exported like a virus to Pakistan in the form of drones that > bomb Pakistani villages and increased clashes between the inept Pakistani > military and a restive internal insurgency. > > I spoke in New York City a few days ago with Dr. Juliette Fournot, who > lived with her parents in Afghanistan as a teenager, speaks Dari and led > teams of French doctors and nurses from Mdecins Sans Frontires, or Doctors > Without Borders, into Afghanistan during the war with the Soviets. She > participated in the opening of clandestine cross-border medical operations > missions between 1980 and 1982 and became head of the French humanitarian > mission in Afghanistan in 1983. Dr. Fournot established logistical bases in > Peshawar and Quetta and organized the dozen cross-border and clandestine > permanent missions in the resistance-held areas of Herat, Mazar-i-Sharif, > Badakhshan, Paktia, Ghazni and Hazaradjat, through which more than 500 > international aid workers rotated. > > She is one of the featured characters in a remarkable book called "The > Photographer," produced by photojournalist Didier Lefvre and graphic > novelist Emmanuel Guibert. The book tells the story of a three-month > mission in 1986 into Afghanistan led by Dr. Fournot. It is an unflinching > look at the cost of war, what bombs, shells and bullets do to human souls > and bodies. It exposes, in a way the rhetoric of our politicians and > generals do not, the blind destructive fury of war. The French humanitarian > group withdrew from Afghanistan in July 2004 after five of its aid workers > were assassinated in a clearly marked vehicle. > > "The American ground troops are midterm in a history that started roughly > in 1984 and 1985 when the State Department decided to assist the > Mujahedeen, the resistance fighters, through various programs and military > aid. USAID, the humanitarian arm serving political and military purposes, > was the seed for having a different kind of interaction with the Afghans," > she told me. "The Afghans were very grateful to receive arms and military > equipment from the Americans." > > "But the way USAID distributed its humanitarian assistance was very > debatable," she went on. "It still puzzles me. They gave most of it to the > Islamic groups such as the Hezb-e Islami of [Gulbuddin] Hekmatyar. And I > think it is possibly because they were more interested in the future > stability of Pakistan rather than saving Afghanistan. Afghanistan was > probably a good ground to hit and drain the blood from the Soviet Union. I > did not see a plan to rebuild or bring peace to Afghanistan. It seemed that > Afghanistan was a tool to weaken the Soviet Union. It was mostly left to > the Pakistani intelligence services to decide what would be best and how to > do it and how by doing so they could strengthen themselves." > > The Pakistanis, Dr. Fournot said, developed a close relationship with Saudi > Arabia. The Saudis, like the Americans, flooded the country with money and > also exported conservative and often radical Wahhabi clerics. The > Americans, aware of the relationship with the Saudis as well as Pakistan's > secret program to build nuclear weapons, looked the other way. Washington > sowed, unwittingly, the seeds of destruction in Afghanistan and Pakistan. > It trained, armed and empowered the militants who now kill them. > > The relationship, she said, bewildered most Afghans, who did not look > favorably upon this radical form of Islam. Most Afghans, she said, wondered > why American aid went almost exclusively to the Islamic radicals and not to > more moderate and secular resistance movements. > > "The population wondered why they did not have more credibility with the > Americans," she said. "They could not understand why the aid was stopped in > Pakistan and distributed to political parties that had limited reach in > Afghanistan. These parties stockpiled arms and started fighting each other. > What the people got in the provinces was miniscule and irrelevant. And how > did the people see all this? They had great hopes in the beginning and > gradually became disappointed, bitter and then felt betrayed. This laid the > groundwork for the current suspicion, distrust and disappointment with the > U.S. and NATO." > > Dr. Fournot sees the American project in Afghanistan as mirroring that of > the doomed Soviet occupation that began in December 1979. A beleaguered > Afghan population, brutalized by chaos and violence, desperately hoped for > stability and peace. The Soviets, like the Americans, spoke of equality, > economic prosperity, development, education, women's rights and political > freedom. But within two years, the ugly face of Soviet domination had > unmasked the flowery rhetoric. The Afghans launched their insurgency to > drive the Soviets out of the country. > > Dr. Fournot fears that years of war have shattered the concept of > nationhood. "There is so much personal and mental destruction," she said. > "Over 70 percent of the population has never known anything else but war. > Kids do not go to school. War is normality. It gives that adrenaline rush > that provides a momentary sense of high, and that is what they live on. And > how can you build a nation on that?" > > The Pashtuns, she noted, have built an alliance with the Taliban to restore > Pashtun power that was lost in the 2001 invasion. The border between > Pakistan and Afghanistan is, to the Pashtuns, a meaningless demarcation > that was drawn by imperial powers through the middle of their tribal lands. > There are 13 million Pashtuns in Afghanistan and another 28 million in > Pakistan. The Pashtuns are fighting forces in Islamabad and Kabul they see > as seeking to wrest from them their honor and autonomy. They see little > difference between the Pakistani military, American troops and the Afghan > army. > > Islamabad, while it may battle Taliban forces in Swat or the provinces, > does not regard the Taliban as a mortal enemy. The enemy is and has always > been India. The balance of power with India requires the Pakistani > authorities to ensure that any Afghan government is allied with it. This > means it cannot push the Pashtuns in the Northwest Frontier Province or in > Afghanistan too far. It must keep its channels open. The cat-and-mouse game > between the Pakistani authorities and the Pashtuns, which drives Washington > to fury, will never end. Islamabad needs the Pashtuns in Pakistan and > Afghanistan more than the Pashtuns need them. > > The U.S. fuels the bonfires of war. The more troops we send to Afghanistan, > the more drones we send on bombing runs over Pakistan, the more airstrikes > we carry out, the worse the unraveling will become. We have killed twice as > many civilians as the Taliban this year and that number is sure to rise in > the coming months. > > "I find this term 'collateral damage' dehumanizing," Dr. Fournot said, "as > if it is a necessity. People are sacrificed on the altar of an idea. Air > power is blind. I know this from having been caught in numerous bombings." > > We are faced with two stark choices. We can withdraw and open negotiations > with the Taliban or continue to expand the war until we are driven out. The > corrupt and unpopular regimes of Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan and Asif Ali > Zardari are impotent allies. The longer they remain tethered to the United > States, the weaker they become. And the weaker they become, the louder > become the calls for intervention in Pakistan. During the war in Vietnam, > we invaded Cambodia to bring stability to the region and cut off rebel > sanctuaries and supply routes. This tactic only empowered the Khmer Rouge. > We seem poised, in much the same way, to do the same for radical Islamists > in Afghanistan and Pakistan. > > "If the Americans step up the war in Afghanistan, they will be sucked into > Pakistan," Dr. Fournot warned. "Pakistan is a time bomb waiting to explode. > You have a huge population, 170 million people. 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Move with us as we take the path of peace, along with a commitment to living sustainable and simple lifestyles as "One People United in Heart". -----Original Message----- From: TRANSITION UNITED STATES [mailto:mail at transitionus.ning.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:55 AM To: maryrose333 at att.net Subject: On TRANSITION UNITED STATES: [TTUS] Today's Skype Tutorials A message to all members of TRANSITION UNITED STATES Good day Transition US! The new site for Skype communications is up-and-running -- http://thepiedskyper.ning.com We've had about 100 transitioners sign up in the first 2 days. In about 3 hours we're starting our second day-long tutorial.Repeated again on Friday. You are invited to come anytime during the day and leave when you need to leave. If you are not yet set up on Skype, here's how to get started. Don't fuss with anything. If it doesn't just flow, contact me. * Go to http://skype.com/download and install Skype on your machine. Takes about 6 minutes. * Set up your account, following the step-by-step instructions. * Create a Contact named LSquiresSkype * Right click on the LSquiresSkype Contact record and START IM to let me know you've arrived. * I'll meet you at the door and make sure you're up-and-running. * Go to http://thepiedskyper.ning.com/ to follow schedules for future tutorials. * Install a headset. Not required for this initial contact. * Install a video camera. Not required during this period of getting started. When you have completed the installation and have your Skype ID, use this link -- http://thepiedskyper.ning.com/?xgi=enFUJ3R to gain access to The Pied Skyper. Skype is the chosen voice communications tool for our social networking sites. By the way, have you noticed that Oprah Winfrey now uses Skype to talk remotely with her guests... Les Squires LSquiresSkype http://thepiedskyper.ning.com http://transitionus.ning.com LSquires at groupcommons.com +1 303-926-5159 Visit TRANSITION UNITED STATES at: http://transitionus.ning.com -- To control which emails you receive on TRANSITION UNITED STATES, go to: http://transitionus.ning.com/profiles/profile/emailSettings From maryrose333 at att.net Wed May 13 16:51:41 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:51:41 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Islam is NOT what you think it is.... Message-ID: <007501c9d41d$87080680$95181380$@net> This message was forwarded to me with the following line in it. Just thought you should see this....... I have, for privacy concerns removed the names of both the sender and the addressees for whom this message was intended, but many of them were noted as "Libertarian" in the address field. And, am forwarding it on in the same spirit that it was forwarded to me, with an additional note: Fifty-five percent of the people of the Unites States are under the impression that this country was founded as a "Christian Nation". Recall the pledge of allegiance: "one nation under God". So, how do we address this issue before we too, as citizens of this country have sunken to the level of the Israeli - Palestinian event with weapons of mass destruction in hand? Begin forwarded message: From: Date: May 12, 2009 4:53:39 PM GMT-06:00 Subject: Islam is NOT what you think it is.... Date: 05-12-2009. This nation is under siege by foreign secrete combinations. I am 100% sure of it and have mountains of proof to prove it. I have been actively working to awaken the people for 15 years now.... Today, We are being betrayed by our leaders in Washington and also in our states, and counties. We the people are the LAW of this land according to the constitutions. WE can stop the complete destruction of the constitution and remove those in power "over night" if we desire. We do not have to wait for elections! File affidavits claiming organized Crimes being committed by those in governments. Serve them to the sheriff in your county, the governor, the Senate, the House and the Justice Department. Put new sheriffs in to protect your rights, and then call upon the governors to activate the state militias, both unorganized and organized if needed, to arrest those in illegal power over us. This nation is a Christian nation. No one can state different with any common sense at all. Though the Jews, Muslims, etc... and Atheists are among us, they are allowed to live here, as long as they do not infringe upon the Christian rights of this land. When they start infringing upon our rights to live our religions, then we must remove them from this nation. WE have ONE nation, under ONE God, indivisible, a Republic, (see article 4 section 4 of US constitution) not a democracy, nor a socialist, nor communism, nor Islam, ETC.... Just so you know the facts..... on what kind of radical people we are dealing with.... Please check out the information below. Also know that the so called terrorists, that we see in the news every day are the small leaves on the trees of terror. What we must remove from this country is the roots and the trunks of that tree of evil and the leaves will die by themselves..... Every state of this union except Oklahoma and Texas, are still under the control of the secrete combinations. We Must stand up against these evil world bankers who control everything we do today. Investigator for the people. This was sent to me by some good people in Florida... Please read and investigate.... Now remember that Obama just ordered $20 million to be spent to give refugees to Palestinians, at our expense to move HERE, homes, jobs, etc... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a wakeup call. YOU MUST WATCH Short Video! If you do not understand THE REALITY OF ISLAM spreading around the world, YOU MUST WATCH THIS VIDEO! It is meant to move believers to action in the love of Christ. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU <=Click to see video.... Please read, absorb it, Contemplate its impact on you and your family's life and pass it on. Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components. Islamization Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges. When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well. Here's how it works. As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in: United States - Muslim 0.6% Australia - Muslim 1.5% Canada - Muslim 1.9% China - Muslim 1.8% Italy - Muslim 1.5% Norway - Muslim 1.8% At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in: Denmark - Muslim 2% Germany - Muslim 3.7% United Kingdom - Muslim 2.7% Spain - Muslim 4% Thailand - Muslim 4.6% >From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves - along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in: France - Muslim 8% Philippines - Muslim 5% Sweden - Muslim 5% Switzerland - Muslim 4.3% The Netherlands -Muslim 5.5% Trinidad & Tobago - Muslim 5.8% At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam ,with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in: Guyana - Muslim 10% India - Muslim 13.4% Israel - Muslim 16% Kenya - Muslim 10% Russia - Muslim 15% After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, the burnings of Christian churches, and Jewish synagogues, such as in: Ethiopia - Muslim 32.8% At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in: Bosnia - Muslim 40% Chad - Muslim 53.1% Lebanon - Muslim 59.7% >From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in: Albania - Muslim 70% Malaysia - Muslim 60.4% Qatar - Muslim 77.5% Sudan - Muslim 70% After 80%,expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in: Bangladesh - Muslim 83% Egypt - Muslim 90% Gaza - Muslim 98.7% Indonesia - Muslim 86.1% Iran - Muslim 98% Iraq - Muslim 97% Jordan - Muslim 92% Morocco - Muslim 98.7% Pakistan - Muslim 97% Palestine - Muslim 99% Syria - Muslim 90% Tajikistan - Muslim 90% Turkey - Muslin 99.8% United Arab Emirates - Muslim 96% 100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' - the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in: Afghanistan - Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia - Muslim 100% Somalia - Muslim 100% Yemen - Muslim 100% Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons. 'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj' It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate. Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century. Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat --------------------------------------------------------------- What is Oklahoma and Texas doing? An update from Oklahoma. The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in D.C., along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! Guess what..........We did it anyway. We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake. Guess what..........we did it anyway. Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional. Guess what........We did it anyway. Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what.........More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida. It appears the South is about to rise up once again. The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi. Guess what..........We did it anyway. By the way, Obama does not like any of this. Guess what....who cares...we're doing it anyway! D, J. XXXXX a Sovereign man, Investigator for the Republic, Christian Patriot Preacher Sons & Daughters of Liberty, a Public Safety Committee. UCC 1-308, sui juris, Without Prejudice, All Rights Preserved. Reply to xxxxxxxx Thank you! -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevenieman at mac.com Wed May 13 21:03:42 2009 From: stevenieman at mac.com (Steve Nieman) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:03:42 -0700 Subject: [GJM] Comment by Mary Nelson Re: FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? In-Reply-To: <503a10ac0905120125y61e514en1c16f3a619faf7cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <005801c9d2b9$7c9e1f50$75da5df0$@net> <503a10ac0905120125y61e514en1c16f3a619faf7cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Both of your hearts are in the right place. This subject matter has got to be about the toughest in the human world right now. Thanks for your input. Dr. Laibow: your restrained, courteous and enlightening responses helped us readers. If we can't respectfully talk and debate human affairs, we certainly will not find productive ways to help broaden understanding about how complex Life can sometimes be. Steve Nieman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 12, 2009, at 1:26 AM, Dr. Rima Laibow wrote: > MaryRose, > > I am astonished that you would write the letter which I have > included below. I will tell you why in interleaved comments. > Rima, You and other Jews like you > > Other Jews like me? Brown haired? Intellectual? Wearing > glasses? Female? Doctors? Political Activists? 5'4"? Just exactly > what kind of a Jew am I, Mary Rose? A Zionist? A libertarian? A > liberal? A conservative? A devout worshiper? A non-believer? A > Hassid? A feminist? A vegetarian? A gardner? Suddenly you are > flinging around phrases such as "You and other Jews like you" and > we are into the ugly land of stereotypes. Like me, love me, hate > me, but do it on a personal basis since I am a person, not a > group. 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I recall years ago attempting to be friendly with a person who is black, but found it to be impossible. He was so busy being ?black? that he could no longer just be a person. FYI, for the past 17 ? 18 years, I have been immersed in research as to the whys and wherefores of the monetary system which has also led me to ask the question as to who we really are. And I am attempting to record my findings in the book: ?The Sacred Quest for the Who of I Am.? I am a fact-finder on a research mission. My life for the past 18 years has been committed to the interests of all of humanity as I go about this task. I live on a very small social security check and refuse to accept money for what I do. Recently I turned down a very high-paid position with a European firm involved in multi-million dollar contracts worldwide involving the design and construction of sustainable living communities. I did so because I felt it more important to create the Future Dawning virtual Learning Center and Think Tank as a means of empowering people in being all that they can be, and being free. . And as well to have more personal time to conduct research for the book. In researching and writing the book, I have to be as objective and as factual as possible. What I write is recorded elsewhere ? it is not ?my thoughts? that go into this. I cannot just make things up. So everything is referenced; however, there are times when people inform me on certain things, and while I try my best to find a documented source to back up the information provided, sometimes it is not possible to do so. So, then I may use my own judgment ?if? I have enough documented information available to provide credibility to the ?additional? information provided but not documented elsewhere. And sometimes I also am not at liberty to reveal the source. Also there are literally thousands of books and other sources available today on this subject in addition to the close to one thousand that I have read in an attempt to find the truth, plus thousands of articles. And, neither can I go with just one reference ? I have to have at least three or more to ensure that the ?whole dynamic? of any given situation is visible. Which is the reason it is taking me so long to write this. Do, I occasionally make mistakes? ?Yes,? but not often. And, i totally comprehend that what I write about is not easy to swallow for a lot of people because the lies have been so deep for so long. Were it not for the Internet and the incredible number of incredible people doing research and creating information exchanges via the net or writing highly referenced books and other materials, we would all of us still be victims of the Romans ploy to rule the world using religion as a tool. Fortunately, millions of people are now coming to know the truth. I am only the messenger here, Rima. I am not the message. But, as so often happens in these instances, it is easier to try and ?kill the messenger? than deal with the problem. I feel your pain, Rima, and I am sorry for it. But it is not of my making ? your need to deal with your anger in another way. With love and understanding, mary rose MaryRose, I am astonished that you would write the letter which I have included below. I will tell you why in interleaved comments. Rima, You and other Jews like you Other Jews like me? Brown haired? Intellectual? Wearing glasses? Female? Doctors? Political Activists? 5'4"? Just exactly what kind of a Jew am I, Mary Rose? A Zionist? A libertarian? A liberal? A conservative? A devout worshiper? A non-believer? A Hassid? A feminist? A vegetarian? A gardner? Suddenly you are flinging around phrases such as "You and other Jews like you" and we are into the ugly land of stereotypes. Like me, love me, hate me, but do it on a personal basis since I am a person, not a group. are going to have to come to terms with You assume that I do not know quite clearly that the banking families, illuminati, etc., believe they are in charge of the world. You have obviously not had time to read what I write continually. I also know that the reality is that power is the religion of the destroyers, not any creed. Let's not be naive here, MaryRose. the fact that the banking system and the media, including Hollywood, are owned and run by Zionist Jews and that these people are very much involved with and influential in AIPAC. It has become quite evident that the United States is providing money and weapons to Israel so that that country can commit genocidal acts on the Palestinians as they did in the last attacks with money provided by the U.S . These acts are reprehensible to those of us who believe in peace as a pathway to the future. These acts ARE reprehensible. On this one you are quite right. Evil is evil, no matter who commits it. Violence is violence and crimes against humanity are crimes against humanity. Was Pol Pot Jewish because he conducted a vile genocide? How about rageful Southern Whites who lynched blacks? Were the KKK villans, crying out to their sweet Jesus, controlled by Jews, too? What are those of us who find these acts to be unacceptable supposed to do? Are we to ignore the situation? Are we to ignore that Jewish Zionist bankers are playing the rest of us for dopes, taking money out of our pockets and putting it into their pockets as fast as they can? And that the Zionist Jewish media is programming our minds? Get over it, Mary Rose. When confronted with specifics and statistics, suddenly "Zionists" are Mormons and Catholics and God knows what religion. Your label does not work. People can be evil withtout being Jewish and can be Jewish without being evil. Find another label which matches the reality. The ones you are using provoke hatred and divisivness - just what the controllers thrive on. Look at the comments which your the initial post in the series has drawn - now we've got people with shivers running up their backs because they have Jewish friends whom they are now scared by. Thanks. That really helps us all be the change we want to see! There is someone else on the Co-learner?s list who is Jewish and has stood up previously and written that he is concerned with the power of AIPAC and its influence here in the United States. I admire him for his sense of right and wrong, along with the ability to call a spade a spade. I never said I was not concerned with AIPAC or that I was not. My comments were to something different: hatred and the breeding of more hatred. And, I simply do not understand your problem, Rima, unless you condone these actions? Wow! First I have a problem (probably that I take a different position and have not gone away despite the way you have responded to me - or maybe the fact that I am not towing the particular line your posts are hewing to) and then, because you do not understand my position (which you style a problem) I condone "these actions"? What, may I ask, happened to respectful discourse and the ability to conduct it without ad hominim argumentation? I am not attacking you, nor do I suggest you have a problem, MaryRose. How about a little more of that change you want to be? Is it OK with you for someone to do these kinds of things because they are Jews and perhaps ?better than the rest of us?? Where did you come up with that? It is NOT OK with me to foster hatred and it is not OK with me to violate the rights and lives of others, no matter what sect or group they belong to or who wants the land on which they live. Please, do me the kindness of refraining from this kind of smear argument. If I do not agree with your forumulation that does not mean that I support what you oppose. Your logic is far from robust here. I have gone out of my way time and again to make it clear that not all Jews are Zionists, just as not ?all of the rest of us? are ?guilty free?. And I have gone out of my way to focus my argument on the result of these labels which are, according to your posts as well as that of others, not accurate. I do not like to use ?labels? Well, using a phrase like "You and other Jews like you" sure makes it hard to tell that you do not like to use "lables" since that is exactly what you have done in a most "label like" way. but I do not know how else to identify people who are way out of line Way out of line? Does that mean that they (in this case, I) disagree with something you agree with or have written? Who draws the line that "they" are out of, MaryRose? Just exactly how does that work? I rather thought that we all had the right to have our own opinions and, as "co-learners" also had the right to disagree with what someone else said. I must admit that I assumed that courtesy and an appreciation of diversity of awareness were appreciated values here so I guess I am having trouble seeing the line and understanding what it means to be way out of it. and need to be called on their game. Another astonishing idea. Someone who is "way out of line" according to the line drawer (You, by any chance?) "needs" "to be called on their game"? Again, just exactly how does this work? Who gets to do the calling? Who decides what the "game" is? I would like to be read into the line drawing and game calling programs. It sounds like a whole lot of fun, actually, to be the decider. Is that slot vacent now that the White House occupant has changed? This is, when you look at it at all closely, absurd. I assume you mean that you don't like what I said. Has it ever occurred to you, Rima, the risk that some of us take in speaking out? Well, yes. I have noticed that. I am the author of a great many things that the establishment does not like at a great many levels. I have faced down the US government's annointed representatives on a couple of occassions and won (e.g., when I mustered the opposition at a Codex meeting that defeated the US - led proposal to allow high levels of fluoride in baby formula at the Codex Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Uses meeting in Thailand. I have been the subject of rather nasty assaults of several types and still continue my work (see www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org for some examples). I gave up a lucrative practice of drug free medicine and a lovely home to do the work that I do defending your health freedom, Mary Rose and dare say that I understand the risks that some of us take in speaking out more than most do. While I refuse to let fear rule me, I am conscious every day of what the consequences of speaking out may be. As as I. I celebrate all of us who speak out fearlessly despite our clear understanding of what the risks are. That is why I am so astonished when you attack me instead of discoursing with me. We do not need to do to each other what the other side is perfectly happy to do to us through disinformation and assault. But I am as well aware of what the consequences will be if I do not do so. Me, too! Too long have many of us been intimidated by this ?anti-semitic? crap which expects us to just bow down and accept whatever anyone wants to do to us. You know, when I was practicing psychiatry (drug free, of course), a button someone gave me said, "Even paranoids have real enemies!" Consider this: there might be, just might be, real anit-semitism which is inappropriate, ugly, divisive, unnecessary, dangerous and evil. And then there might be information about what the power mad lunatics of all stripes are trying to do. How about separating them so that the enemy -real - is carefully deliniated and the enemy - imagined - is not included when there is no reality to that side of the house. Try it. Once you get that sorted out, I am with you. Evil is evil and uses religion and race to further its goals. But focusing on religion or race furthers its goals, albeit unwittingly. I am sure that is not your goal. I have been reading what you write for some time now and I think you are a person of good will and good intent. Please take some time to consider what I am saying and I think you will find it useful and grow from the consideration. I hope so. And I expect an answer from you. You have an answer from me although I am once again astonished that you would demand an reply from me in this way. Respect? Do you actually have the right to demand an answer from me or from anyone else using this tone in a public forum? if so, please explain how that works, too. The last time we got into this area, I remember your writing that you felt the Jews had a right to the land in Gaza. I said no such thing. What I said was that the Palestinians left their homes on the promise that the Jews would be drivien into the sea and they could come home to take back their homes AND what the Jews posessed. They created the exodus and their refugee status. That in no way should, or, to my mind, could, be construed to mean that the Jews have a right to the land in Gaza or that what is happening there is forgiveable. Another momemt of astonishment! But if I did feel that they had a right to the land, what would that mean? That I am one of the group you call "other Jews like me"? See what I mean? I am an individual with a different take on things. I am not a stereotype and do not believe you can possibly believe that about people when you think it through. Does that mean that you condone what is happening there? See above. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.HealthFreedomUSA.org www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Dr. Rima Laibow Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:01 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Am I the only person that this rampant upsurge in anti-semitism bothers? Why is that? A headline like "Do the Jews Own Hollywood and the Media" can be seen as nothing short of an inflammatory call toward group hatred. It is called "Jew Baiting" and has a long history: when something is wrong with the State, the tactic of the state is to hate. Jews usually are the first targets, but it could be any "other" which is convenient. I fully support the invesigation and propagation of information about the Illuminati, Bildebergers, etc., etc. Let's be clear here: this type of hate mongering (sorry, that is exactly what it is, no matter how you rationalize it) is the fruit of a successful divide and conquer strategy by the very people whom we want to expose. Do you really think that the synagogues and temples of the Jews of Los Angeles, and the homes of the people who, like me, never go to synagogues or temples, are filled with talk of bringing down the US or how to deploy the media? How very foolish and naive! They are filled with the same conversations as churches, mosques and homes everywhere: finances, friends and family. Let's remember the concept of being the change we want to see. I personally would like to live in a world of mutual respect and clear-sighted honesty, not group-bashing and state controlled poverty. Please, Mary Rose, act as a responsible moderator and refuse to let your outstanding forum become a bill board for the scrawlings of those who build fear and loathing when they should be building scaffolds of light. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org www.HealthFreedomUSA.org On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM, mary rose wrote: You did not read what I wrote: What I wrote is that the Libertarian Party is very closely linked to the Mafia in Italy. I did not say there was a Libertarian Party in Italy. When there is only linking, it makes it very difficult to determine who is really who and doing what. From: FixGov at yahoogroups.com [mailto:FixGov at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Kiss?ll Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:26 AM To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Just out of curiosity, what to which Italian political party are you referring? AFAIK, there is no political party in Italy whose name would translate into English as "Libertarian Party". --- On Sun, 5/10/09, mary rose > wrote: From: mary rose > Subject: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net , "FixGov at yahoogroups. com" > Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 8:07 PM And, it is my feeling we should be very careful with regard to the Libertarian Party as it is linked very closely with the Mafia in Italy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Members MARKETPLACE I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! 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Name: ATT00082.txt URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Wed May 13 22:13:23 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:13:23 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] White House Czar Calls for End to 'War on Drugs' Message-ID: <00f301c9d44a$56391620$02ab4260$@net> Finally some sanity on this issue. -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:46 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] White House Czar Calls for End to 'War on Drugs' (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) White House Czar Calls for End to 'War on Drugs' Kerlikowske Says Analogy Is Counterproductive; Shift Aligns With Administration Preference for Treatment Over Incarceration * MAY 14, 2009 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124225891527617397.html Brendan Smialowski for The Wall Street Journal WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration's new drug czar says he wants to banish the idea that the U.S. is fighting "a war on drugs," a move that would underscore a shift favoring treatment over incarceration in trying to reduce illicit drug use. In his first interview since being confirmed to head the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, Gil Kerlikowske said Wednesday the bellicose analogy was a barrier to dealing with the nation's drug issues. "Regardless of how you try to explain to people it's a 'war on drugs' or a 'war on a product,' people see a war as a war on them," he said. "We're not at war with people in this country." Mr. Kerlikowske's comments are a signal that the Obama administration is set to follow a more moderate -- and likely more controversial -- stance on the nation's drug problems. Prior administrations talked about pushing treatment and reducing demand while continuing to focus primarily on a tough criminal-justice approach. The Obama administration is likely to deal with drugs as a matter of public health rather than criminal justice alone, with treatment's role growing relative to incarceration, Mr. Kerlikowske said. Already, the administration has called for an end to the disparity in how crimes involving crack cocaine and powder cocaine are dealt with. Critics of the law say it unfairly targeted African-American communities, where crack is more prevalent. The administration also said federal authorities would no longer raid medical-marijuana dispensaries in the 13 states where voters have made medical marijuana legal. Agents had previously done so under federal law, which doesn't provide for any exceptions to its marijuana prohibition. During the presidential campaign, President Barack Obama also talked about ending the federal ban on funding for needle-exchange programs, which are used to stem the spread of HIV among intravenous-drug users. The drug czar doesn't have the power to enforce any of these changes himself, but Mr. Kerlikowske plans to work with Congress and other agencies to alter current policies. He said he hasn't yet focused on U.S. policy toward fighting drug-related crime in other countries. Mr. Kerlikowske was most recently the police chief in Seattle, a city known for experimenting with drug programs. In 2003, voters there passed an initiative making the enforcement of simple marijuana violations a low priority. The city has long had a needle-exchange program and hosts Hempfest, which draws tens of thousands of hemp and marijuana advocates. Seattle currently is considering setting up a project that would divert drug defendants to treatment programs. Mr. Kerlikowske said he opposed the city's 2003 initiative on police priorities. His officers, however, say drug enforcement -- especially for pot crimes -- took a back seat, according to Sgt. Richard O'Neill, president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild. One result was an open-air drug market in the downtown business district, Mr. O'Neill said. "The average rank-and-file officer is saying, 'He can't control two blocks of Seattle, how is he going to control the nation?' " Mr. O'Neill said. Sen. Tom Coburn, the lone senator to vote against Mr. Kerlikowske, was concerned about the permissive attitude toward marijuana enforcement, a spokesman for the conservative Oklahoma Republican said. From maryrose333 at att.net Wed May 13 22:48:11 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:48:11 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Peter Van Zant - Response To: Who Are the Real Psychopaths in Afghanistan? Message-ID: <010701c9d44f$334c19a0$99e44ce0$@net> Peter, in response to your question regarding what we can do, it is to not only reprogram our own sub-conscious mind, but to change our social systems (which constitute much of our environment) so that they are ?life-enhancing? rather than ?death-defining? as they presently are. Let?s go through this again with regard to the findings of cellular biologist, Dr. Bruce Lipton (and others) that genes do not control who we are. It is our environment, or more accurately, our perception of our environment that determines who we are. Our perceptions are generally programmed into our sub-conscious mind from the time of conception, and perhaps even prior to. So, we are born with a ?Jewish? perception, or a ?Christian perception? or a ?Muslim? perception, etc., in addition to other perceptions most of which are cultural in nature. For instance we could say there is a culture of love, or one of anger, one of child abuse, or a city or a countryside culture. We can also be born into the Canadian culture, or the U.S. culture or the Brazilian culture. And each culture affects how one experiences oneself. One of the most prevalent of cultures that shape us today is that of our ?monetary culture? or our monetary social system. It is the driver of all of our other social systems and it has become quite ?corrupted? over the span of years it has been in effect, and, in turn, has corrupted the other systems associated with it, e.g., education, politics, business, family, work, etc. But, I?d like to hear what Steve Bhaerman has to say on this subject since he has been in the process of writing a book with Dr. Lipton for the past couple years now. From: Krunkles at aol.com [mailto:Krunkles at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:08 PM To: maryrose333 at att.net Subject: Response To: Who Are the Real Psychopaths in Afghanistan? I realised that I made a mistake when I said that the genocide of muslims is perhaps the greatest human kind. I found out this morning that the native american population before the arrival of the europeans was 60 million. By 1940 there only remained 800,000, That is over 59 million people killed. I also learned that 100 million black people were killed through the slave trade. Krunkles: It is truly terrifying and totally depressing to speculate on such numbers. That is why they are usually ignored. We probably would have repressed almost all our knowledge of the Holocaust, had not the Jews insisted on keeping us aware of it. We have, after all, pretty much forgotten about all the slaughter that Stalin did, or Mao, or the United States in Indochina. We repress most of the knowledge of the slaughter we?re doing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now, and the fact that we?re doing it to protect our car culture. Even the people who are aware of all that and trying to oppose it repress knowledge of the magnitude of the task of changing it. So I began to reflect on what we can as individuals change and what we can influence: We can influence by being involved in these types of conversations and by sharing. We can influence by inspiring and informing people in our locality. We can change internally and externally. Internally: I consider the inner causes and the inner solutions, so the inner impulses of my mind that I will learn to control and those that I will develop(I don?t claim this list to be exhaustive but it fills the 80:20 rule). I moment by moment learn to control the following (inner causes): Jealousy, criticism, meanness, sense of superiority/eliteness/the chosen, sense of inferiority fear, fulfilling so many of my desires, need for status or need to be "someone", dissatisfaction, self-righteousness, taking care of me and mine, taking short-cuts or the easy path feelings of entitlement, laziness, wanting to receive more than the effort or energy that I give. Moment by moment I learn to develop the following (inner solutions): Tolerance and desire to understand others world view generosity loving kindness selfless service love inner plenitude the ability to think and feel together with people who don?t think and feel the same as I do energy and effort faith maintaining and protecting dignity simplicity honesty compassion order and structure commitment Excellent list. I am trying to do the same thing. It is absolutely maddening to realize how many times I find myself doing all of those things, and how many times I see others doing them, too. Question: How much of the job is changing ourselves and how much is effecting change in society at large? Is changing ourselves really about all that we can possibly do? Peter Van Zant _____ Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Wed May 13 22:51:35 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:51:35 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Islam is NOT what you think it is.... Message-ID: <010c01c9d44f$ac5b0180$05110480$@net> From: Mary Nelson [mailto:m_nelson at aperdat.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:08 PM To: 'mary rose' Subject: RE: Islam is NOT what you think it is.... Since we're arming Israel, it appears to me that we've already sunk even lower. My reservation is that I haven't figured out "who's on top?" Are the Zionists manipulating "us" or are "we" manipulating them? Any thoughts on that subject would be welcomed. Boy, is this creepy. MaryNelson _____ From: mary rose [mailto:maryrose333 at att.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:52 PM To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: FW: Islam is NOT what you think it is.... This message was forwarded to me with the following line in it. Just thought you should see this....... I have, for privacy concerns removed the names of both the sender and the addressees for whom this message was intended, but many of them were noted as "Libertarian" in the address field. And, am forwarding it on in the same spirit that it was forwarded to me, with an additional note: Fifty-five percent of the people of the Unites States are under the impression that this country was founded as a "Christian Nation". Recall the pledge of allegiance: "one nation under God". So, how do we address this issue before we too, as citizens of this country have sunken to the level of the Israeli - Palestinian event with weapons of mass destruction in hand? Begin forwarded message: From: Date: May 12, 2009 4:53:39 PM GMT-06:00 Subject: Islam is NOT what you think it is.... Date: 05-12-2009. This nation is under siege by foreign secrete combinations. I am 100% sure of it and have mountains of proof to prove it. I have been actively working to awaken the people for 15 years now.... Today, We are being betrayed by our leaders in Washington and also in our states, and counties. We the people are the LAW of this land according to the constitutions. WE can stop the complete destruction of the constitution and remove those in power "over night" if we desire. We do not have to wait for elections! File affidavits claiming organized Crimes being committed by those in governments. Serve them to the sheriff in your county, the governor, the Senate, the House and the Justice Department. Put new sheriffs in to protect your rights, and then call upon the governors to activate the state militias, both unorganized and organized if needed, to arrest those in illegal power over us. This nation is a Christian nation. No one can state different with any common sense at all. Though the Jews, Muslims, etc... and Atheists are among us, they are allowed to live here, as long as they do not infringe upon the Christian rights of this land. When they start infringing upon our rights to live our religions, then we must remove them from this nation. WE have ONE nation, under ONE God, indivisible, a Republic, (see article 4 section 4 of US constitution) not a democracy, nor a socialist, nor communism, nor Islam, ETC.... Just so you know the facts..... on what kind of radical people we are dealing with.... Please check out the information below. Also know that the so called terrorists, that we see in the news every day are the small leaves on the trees of terror. What we must remove from this country is the roots and the trunks of that tree of evil and the leaves will die by themselves..... Every state of this union except Oklahoma and Texas, are still under the control of the secrete combinations. We Must stand up against these evil world bankers who control everything we do today. Investigator for the people. This was sent to me by some good people in Florida... Please read and investigate.... Now remember that Obama just ordered $20 million to be spent to give refugees to Palestinians, at our expense to move HERE, homes, jobs, etc... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a wakeup call. YOU MUST WATCH Short Video! If you do not understand THE REALITY OF ISLAM spreading around the world, YOU MUST WATCH THIS VIDEO! It is meant to move believers to action in the love of Christ. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU <=Click to see video.... Please read, absorb it, Contemplate its impact on you and your family's life and pass it on. Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components. Islamization Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges. When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well. Here's how it works. As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in: United States - Muslim 0.6% Australia - Muslim 1.5% Canada - Muslim 1.9% China - Muslim 1.8% Italy - Muslim 1.5% Norway - Muslim 1.8% At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in: Denmark - Muslim 2% Germany - Muslim 3.7% United Kingdom - Muslim 2.7% Spain - Muslim 4% Thailand - Muslim 4.6% >From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves - along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in: France - Muslim 8% Philippines - Muslim 5% Sweden - Muslim 5% Switzerland - Muslim 4.3% The Netherlands -Muslim 5.5% Trinidad & Tobago - Muslim 5.8% At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam ,with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in: Guyana - Muslim 10% India - Muslim 13.4% Israel - Muslim 16% Kenya - Muslim 10% Russia - Muslim 15% After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, the burnings of Christian churches, and Jewish synagogues, such as in: Ethiopia - Muslim 32.8% At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in: Bosnia - Muslim 40% Chad - Muslim 53.1% Lebanon - Muslim 59.7% >From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in: Albania - Muslim 70% Malaysia - Muslim 60.4% Qatar - Muslim 77.5% Sudan - Muslim 70% After 80%,expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in: Bangladesh - Muslim 83% Egypt - Muslim 90% Gaza - Muslim 98.7% Indonesia - Muslim 86.1% Iran - Muslim 98% Iraq - Muslim 97% Jordan - Muslim 92% Morocco - Muslim 98.7% Pakistan - Muslim 97% Palestine - Muslim 99% Syria - Muslim 90% Tajikistan - Muslim 90% Turkey - Muslin 99.8% United Arab Emirates - Muslim 96% 100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' - the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in: Afghanistan - Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia - Muslim 100% Somalia - Muslim 100% Yemen - Muslim 100% Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons. 'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj' It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate. Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century. Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat --------------------------------------------------------------- What is Oklahoma and Texas doing? An update from Oklahoma. The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in D.C., along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! Guess what..........We did it anyway. We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake. Guess what..........we did it anyway. Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional. Guess what........We did it anyway. Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what.........More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida. It appears the South is about to rise up once again. The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi. Guess what..........We did it anyway. By the way, Obama does not like any of this. Guess what....who cares...we're doing it anyway! D, J. 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I somehow missed the ?last commentary? but it would be interesting in the context of our present discussion to learn more about *violence and war*. ?The observation of Schumann resonances can provide valuable information about solar activity, world thunderstorm activity, properties of the upper dissipative boundary layer, the Earth-ionosphere cavity and climatic changes. It has been found in previous studies that the Schumann resonances can influence human health indicators such as blood pressure, and it is likely that they also affect cardiac and neurological disease, violence and war, some of which was discussed in my last commentary.? I may not be online for most of the day tomorrow as I am participating in the free Skype class being held by Les Squires and have a group presentation for Future Dawning set up. If I were would attempt to find this, but also late to-night and I am very tired. From: Global Coherence Initiative [mailto:info at glcoherence.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:12 PM To: maryrose333 at att.net Subject: GCI Commentaries - Global Impact of Obama?s Inauguration - Schumann Resonances Click here for online version. Global Coherence Initiative Greetings from the Global Coherence Initiative Global Coherence Initiative www.glcoherence.org GCI Message Dear Mary, First and foremost I want to thank all of you for providing so much insightful feedback to my last commentary. Have you heard? Our global coherence community now has over 13,000 members! Two major events have happened since my last update: A 5.8-magnitude earthquake in Italy claimed the lives of nearly 300 people and left 29,000 homeless; and the swine flu outbreak, which had reached 2,500 confirmed cases worldwide as of May 8 and resulted in 44 deaths ? 42 in Mexico and two in the U.S. ? threatened for a time to become a pandemic, creating a great deal of fear and anxiety. Many questions have been asked and I will address one of the most frequent: What happened during Obama?s inauguration? In the following, I explain a case study of data from our magnetometer, Maggie, as well as data provided by researcher Roger Nelson from the Global Consciousness Project random number generator (RNG) network. The information from Maggie illustrates the kind of data we are starting to see with the ultrasensitive magnetometer and what it may be telling us. We are on the frontier where new science is created, and we are glad you are on board with us. For those interested in the scientific background, I will continue to explain some more basics behind GCI and the ionosphere and magnetometer data. Feel free to scroll down to the data related to Obama?s inauguration if you would like to skip this science. Earth?s Atmosphere, Schumann Resonance and the Ionosphere As mentioned in the previous commentary, the Earth is surrounded by a blanket of air reaching over 350 miles into space. The atmosphere is essential for life on the planet. It provides the air we breathe, water is recycled and the ozone layer protects us from the harmful effects of ultraviolet light, which can cause skin cancer. The atmosphere has four layers, the troposphere (about 0-10 miles), stratosphere (about 10-30 miles), mesosphere (about 30-50 miles) and thermosphere about 50-375 miles, see figure from NASA below). Atmosphere Ionosphere Within the thermosphere is a band called the ionosphere that begins about 50 miles out from the Earth?s surface and extends out to about 180 miles. It consists of charged particles. This highly dynamic region is constantly exposed to the full intensity of the sun; harsh ultraviolet radiation is breaking down molecules and atoms. Highly charged ions and free electrons therefore fill the ionospheric layers. A solar storm can pump charged particles into the magnetosphere and ionosphere. The ionosphere consists of three basic layers: D, E, and two F layers; during the night the D layer disappears, the E layer nearly disappears and the F layers combine (see figure from NASA below). Ionosphere Scientists have found that extreme solar activity drastically compresses the magnetosphere (the protective magnetic bubble carved out by Earth?s magnetic field) and modifies the composition of ions in the near-Earth space. These changes and disruptions in the ionosphere are detected by magnetometers. Such increased solar activity affects the ionosphere, upper atmosphere, and Earth?s weather. This is why monitoring and forecasting its impact on near-Earth space is becoming increasingly critical to safeguarding daily life on Earth. You can watch the effect of extreme solar activity on Earth?s magnetosphere by following this link: www.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/hires/watchingsola.gif. Schumann Resonances: Schumann resonances (SR) are the electromagnetic frequencies of the Earth-ionosphere cavity (see figure below) and were first predicted by W.O. Schumann (1952). Electromagnetic impulses, like those from global lightening flashes (the world?s thunderstorm activity) fill this cavity and excite the Schumann resonances. Resonances can be observed at around 7.8, 14, 20, 26, 33, 39 and 45 Hz (see the live data at www.glcoherence.org/monitoring-system/live-data.html). The observation of Schumann resonances can provide valuable information about solar activity, world thunderstorm activity, properties of the upper dissipative boundary layer, the Earth-ionosphere cavity and climatic changes. It has been found in previous studies that the Schumann resonances can influence human health indicators such as blood pressure, and it is likely that they also affect cardiac and neurological disease, violence and war, some of which was discussed in my last commentary. Random Number Generators (RNGs) and Maggie ? IHM?s Magnetometer: Data and Intentionality An RNG is an electrical device that randomly produces a sequence of numbers ? either 0 or 1 ? 200 times a second) which should be a random string of numbers that equal out to 100 0?s and 100 1?s and that results in a flat line when they are all added together. Roger Nelson started the Global Consciousness Project when he was at Princeton University and is a collaborator with the GCI ( http://noosphere.princeton.edu/). During events in which millions of people share emotions globally such as Barack Obama?s Inauguration, many people seem to come into alignment, or coherence. In this case, the random production of 0?s and 1?s from 65 RNGs at host sites in 41 countries went out of balance: Small, but meaningful differences from expectations can be seen in the data (for example, more 1?s than 0?s were produced or more 0?s than 1?s). This is also true for events in which the power of group focus such as during meditations has been applied intentionally, with the goal of having a positive impact on troubled areas on the planet, whether it is a war zone or an area struck by natural catastrophe. Although RNG data can detect imminent events, it does not tell us what is in store. Obama?s Inauguration: RNG data To help us better understand the global impact of Obama?s inauguration, we will examine the RNG data from the Global Consciousness Program (see figure 1. below) and our "Maggie" data. Figure 1. Global Consciousness Project random number generator network Figure 1. Shows the network variance of the Global Consciousness Project?s random number generator network before, during and after the inauguration of President Obama. The formal event specification for the inauguration was extended both before and after the swearing-in, attempting to capture the anticipation and the celebration of the estimated 1.5 to 2 million people in Washington D.C., and hundreds of millions watching the ceremonies on TV around the world. The event was set for 6 a.m. on the 20th to 2 a.m. on the 21st, EST. The result is graphically quite striking, with no trend for the first four hours. Then there is a very steady trend showing smaller than expected network variance for about 12 hours, and finally a change to a period of relatively large variance. For a more detailed explanation, go to the Global Consciousness Project Web site at http://noosphere.princeton.edu/. Maggie Data The following two graphs show some preliminary data from Maggie, the magnetic field detector developed by the Global Coherence Initiative research and development team to monitor the resonances occurring in the plasma waves constantly circling the Earth in the ionosphere. Figure 2. Plot of daily spectrograms of the Schumann resonances Figure 2. This is a plot of daily spectrograms of the Schumann resonances for the four days before, day of and three days after President Obama?s inauguration. The intensity levels of the resonances are substantially lower the day of and the days following the inauguration than the days preceding it. Figure 2 is a frequency-time spectrogram of the horizontal component of the Schumann resonances. Within the spectrograms, the power of the intensity at the right side of Figure 2 of a given frequency is coded in a color scale, with yellow being the most intense. The typically daily variations in the intensity of the resonances can be seen in the figures. The time of the presidential swearing-in at 12 p.m. EST on the 20th is noted by the red arrow. At the left of Figure 2 is a vertical section through the spectrogram showing the typical resonance structure for Jan 16 on the upper row and Jan 20 on the lower row. The resonances are shown by the red lines that appear as horizontal lines with frequencies of 7.8, 14, 20, 26, 33 and 39 hertz. The daily time periods shown in each daily plot are 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. PST. The grey boxes were added to omit the data that was contaminated on several of the days by a local noise source ? a solar charger that was being eliminated. Figure 3. Total spectral power Figure 3. This shows the total spectral power in the frequencies between 5 and 40 hertz for the same days shown in Figure 2. GCI researchers note that an interesting observation of this data is the pronounced change in the activity level of the resonances. As shown in both figures, there is a pronounced drop in intensity on the day of the inauguration that persisted during the three days following it. The GCI research team has been exploring changes in space weather and other indicators of ionospheric activity such as ion density that could explain the changes in resonance intensity. So far, the changes do not appear to correlate with other indicators that are known to affect ionospheric activity. However, it is possible that we are seeing an effect of human consciousness acting on global weather patterns. Similar observations were made during another event, World Sound Day, on Feb. 14 of this year, but we are still exploring the data. Data comparable to Obama?s inauguration for RNGs and Maggie were obtained. This was a day when people around the planet took five minutes to send a sonic Valentine to the Earth with the heart sound "AH," which was filled with the intention of peace and love. Obviously, so far we can only speculate about the meaning of the data, and we are excited about continuing this interesting journey of helping to increase global coherence. Might the alignment of many millions of people in most countries of the world cause a quiet period in the magnetometer data? Does the data correspond with uniting the emotions of many, allowing for more global peace and harmony? Because solar storms increase the intensity in the level of resonance, which in turn causes health challenges, violence etc., the data could be a first indicator that we are taking the right steps with our innovative research in monitoring the ionosphere. So far we have taken an exploratory look at the possibility of global events being the catalyst for the kind of coherence that we think of as a global consciousness. A word of caution, however: Our research team knows that to scientifically prove our theory, the real effect only can be identified by repeatedly monitoring events that have similar impact. In closing this commentary today, and in appreciation of Earth, "The mountains, rivers, earth, grasses, trees, and forests are always emanating a subtle, precious light, day and night, always emanating a subtle, precious sound, demonstrating and expounding to all people the unsurpassed ultimate truth." ?Yuan-Sou Earth Best wishes for much coherence, health and harmony to you all, Annette Deyhle, Ph.D. and a member of the GCI research team Global Coherence Initiative 14700 West Park Ave., Boulder Creek, CA 95006 | tel (831) 706-2981 | fax (831) 338-8504 | info at glcoherence.org To unsubscribe, reply to this e-mail with "unsubscribe" in the subject line. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Wed May 13 23:09:40 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:09:40 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Foreclosures: 'April was a shocker' Message-ID: <015101c9d452$3242dfa0$96c89ee0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:08 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Foreclosures: 'April was a shocker' (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) Foreclosures: 'April was a shocker' A record number of foreclosure filings took place during April, but the number of repossessions fell 11%. http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/13/real_estate/April_foreclosure_stats/index.ht m Last Updated: May 13, 2009: 5:11 PM ET NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Foreclosures in April exceeded even March's blistering pace with a record 342,000 homes receiving notices of default, auction notices or undergoing bank repossessions, according to a regular industry report. One of every 374 U.S. homes received a filing during the month, the highest monthly rate that RealtyTrac, an online marketer of foreclosed properties, has recorded in four-plus years of record keeping. "April was a shocker," said Rick Sharga, a spokesman for RealtyTrac. "I would have bet on a dip because March foreclosures were so high." Instead, filings inched up 1% from March and rose 32% compared to April 2008. There were 63,900 bank repossessions, the last stop in the foreclosure process. More than 1.3 million homes have now been lost to foreclosure since the market meltdown began in August 2007. The increasing foreclosures will force RealtyTrac to rethink its forecasts, according to Sharga. "We had been predicting 3.4 million filings for the year," he said, "but we'll blow those numbers out of the water." The lion's share of April's filings were in the early stages of the process, such as notices of default, according to James Saccacio, RealtyTrac's CEO. Bank repossessions actually fell 11% for the month, compared with March. That's due, according to Saccacio, to the many legislative and company moratoriums that have prevented the foreclosure process from starting on delinquent loans. Because fewer loans entered the process in past months, there were fewer getting all the way to repossession. But now that those moratoriums are over, the volume of foreclosure filings is increasing. "It's likely that we'll see a corresponding spike in [repossessed properties] as these loans move through the foreclosure process over the next few months," Saccacio said in a prepared statement. Ten states accounted for 75% of all foreclosure activity, and they fell generally into two categories: one-time bubble markets and the Rust Belt. California easily outpaced every other state with with 96,560 filings. Other hard-hit former boom states were Florida, Nevada and Arizona. Those Rust Belts states with the most filings were Illinois, Ohio and Michigan. Georgia, Texas and Virginia filled out the rest of the top 10 list. Nevada, with one filing for every 68 households, had the highest foreclosure rate in the land. Florida, with one for every 135 households, ranked second; and California, with one for every 138, was third. Las Vegas continued to be the worst-hit metro area. It had more than 14,000 filings in April, one for every 56 households and 20% more than in March. The Cape Coral-Fort Myers, Fla., area was second with one in 57, a 31% month-over-month rise. Merced, Calif., where home prices have plunged almost two-thirds from their peak, had the third-highest rate. Five other California metro areas ranked in the top 10: Modesto was fourth, Riverside-San Bernardino fifth, Bakersfield sixth, Vallejo seventh and Stockton eighth. Miami and Orlando rounded out the list. Raised expectations Not helping, of course, is the steady erosion of home prices. The National Association of Realtors reported record home price losses Tuesday. "[The home price decline] will lead to more foreclosures," said Mike Larson, a real estate analyst for Weiss Research. The loss of home value put many more mortgage borrowers underwater, meaning they owe more on their loans than their homes are worth. That increases foreclosure rates in two ways: Underwater borrowers have no home equity to draw on to pay for unexpected expenses such as big medical bills or major car or home repairs. That's makes them more likely to miss payments. And when home values fall far below mortgage balances, homeowners often walk away from their loans. "There has been much more 'deed-in-lieu-of foreclosure' activity lately," said Sharga. This is a transaction in which borrowers simply tell their banks that they're not going to pay their mortgage and hand back their keys, and deeds, to their lenders. "People are making the rational financial decision to walk away from underwater homes," he said. From dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 14 08:54:09 2009 From: dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk (robert searle) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 14:54:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GJM] Obama wades into regulation of derivatives Message-ID: <892966.37803.qm@web27407.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> ? Dear All ? ? ? Here again we have shades of TFE again as this interesting new piece reveals. ? R.Searle ? ???????????????????? http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Transfinancial_Economics ? Obama wades into regulation of derivatives Douglas McIntyre May 13th 2009 at 6:15PM Text SizeAAA Filed under: Investing Congress and the Obama administration are in the process of regulating everything that walks, talks,eats, and sleeps on Wall Street. The most recent uproar came earlier today when news began to leak out that the government may set up guidelines for compensation across a wide array of financial firms. Now, Washington wants to regulate the derivatives market, which makes some sense. The trading in mortgage-backed securities and other exotic instruments has been blamed for everything from the collapse of the banks to the Johnstown Flood of 1889. Financial quants have developed hundreds of ways to bet on a range of instruments based on everything from equities to commodities to bonds. According to the AP, "In a draft two-page letter to congressional leaders, the Treasury Department says it wants to create a central electronic-based system that would track the buying and selling of derivatives." Treasury also wants to monitor the liquidity of the firms trading the instruments. That value of derivatives holdings worldwide has been estimated to be in the hundreds of trillions of dollars. As often is the case, the government is stepping in after most of the damage to companies like AIG (AIG) has been done. But, new vigilance may keep the problem from repeating itself. If the local savings bank is going to be regulated, trading in several trillions of dollars in derivatives should be, too. Douglas A. McIntyre is an editor at 24/7 Wall St. Permalink Print thisWith HP wireless printers, you could have printed this from any room in the house. Live wirelessly. Print wirelessly Email this Share This Post Comments (2) adsonar_placementId=1436218; adsonar_pid=986767; adsonar_ps=-1; adsonar_zw=468; adsonar_zh=250; adsonar_jv="ads.tw.adsonar.com"; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Thu May 14 10:12:59 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:12:59 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Bruce Lipton in Chicago and Denver Message-ID: <009a01c9d4ae$dd22e760$9768b620$@net> From: Spiritcrossing [mailto:info at spiritcrossing.com] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:59 AM To: maryrose333 at att.net Subject: Bruce Lipton in Chicago and Denver Email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser. Hello Friends, I wanted to bring your attention to two big events coming close to you very soon. Bruce Lipton, Gregg Braden and Alberto Villardo, "Choice Point 2012", in Denver May 30th. For more details... http://www.hayhouse.com/tour_details.php?tour_id=68 Also June 5th through 7th Bruce will be in Chicago at "Celebrate Your Life". Please see details at ... www.mishkaproductions.com/celebrate-your-life-2009-chicago . Thanks for being a vital part of our community, and go out and experience Bruce and our expanding community of change. Love and Light, This message was sent from Spiritcrossing to maryrose333 at att.net. It was sent from: Spirit 2000, SpiritCrossing P.O. Box 11736 , Murfreesboro, TN 37129-0035. You can modify/update your subscription via the link below. Email Marketing Software To be removed click here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Thu May 14 10:52:49 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:52:49 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Islam is NOT what you think it is.... Message-ID: <00aa01c9d4b4$6d44b170$47ce1450$@net> From: Sada Nam Kaur [mailto:sadanamkaur at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:57 AM To: Mary Rose Subject: RE: Islam is NOT what you think it is.... It is interesting how quickly the human being sinks down to the level of fear and so it is very easy for to be emotionally stimulated (for or against) by these types of emails. One of the ways of controlling a nation is to create financial crisis and then people?s fear rises so it is easier to instill hatred. However, it is not helpful to react, it is not helpful just to ignor it. What is most helpful is to respond with neutrality and intelligence. The best response is education. It would be helpful for western people to be more educated about what Islam really is. It is worth noting that there are 2 groups (the wahabi?s and the modernists) who most mulims feel have distorted Islam for its own ends and are not representative of Islam (perhaps they could be seen like the Zionists or the right-wing christian fundamentalists). A good place to start understanding Islam is a book by Osman Nuri Topbas called Islam Spirit and Form, he describes how Islam is a religion of mercy, rationality, love, knowledge and wisdom, morality, kindness, good conduct, and justice, in fact in the past it was recognised that anyone who lived in this way of whatever proclaimed faith was respected and honoured as a Muslim without the religion and those who called themselves muslims but who behaved less honourably were Mulsims without belief. Hamza Yusuf a highly regarded Islamic Scholar is also a good reference point. I am also happy to keep providing information. For instance here are 2 Hadith (sayings of the Prophet Muhammed, by which Muslims intend to live their life): "Whoever walks with a tyrant in support of him, while aware of his tyranny, has abandonned Islam" "Gentleness never accompanies anything without enhancing it, nor is it ever removed from anything without demeaning it" I believe that the only true time that the 3 middle eastern religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) have peaceful lived side by side was here in Andaluc?a under Muslim rule, where all religions and their laws were highly respected and scholars of each faith learned from each other with complete honour and respect. This continued for about 700 years. I?m going to say it again, 700 hundred years of peaceful co-existence between Jews, Christians and Muslims! All love Sada Nam _____ From: maryrose333 at att.net To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: FW: Islam is NOT what you think it is.... Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:51:35 -0700 From: Mary Nelson [mailto:m_nelson at aperdat.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:08 PM To: 'mary rose' Subject: RE: Islam is NOT what you think it is.... Since we're arming Israel, it appears to me that we've already sunk even lower. My reservation is that I haven't figured out "who's on top?" Are the Zionists manipulating "us" or are "we" manipulating them? Any thoughts on that subject would be welcomed. Boy, is this creepy. MaryNelson _____ From: mary rose [mailto:maryrose333 at att.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:52 PM To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: FW: Islam is NOT what you think it is.... This message was forwarded to me with the following line in it. Just thought you should see this....... I have, for privacy concerns removed the names of both the sender and the addressees for whom this message was intended, but many of them were noted as ?Libertarian? in the address field. And, am forwarding it on in the same spirit that it was forwarded to me, with an additional note: Fifty-five percent of the people of the Unites States are under the impression that this country was founded as a ?Christian Nation?. Recall the pledge of allegiance: ?one nation under God?. So, how do we address this issue before we too, as citizens of this country have sunken to the level of the Israeli ? Palestinian event with weapons of mass destruction in hand? Begin forwarded message: From: Date: May 12, 2009 4:53:39 PM GMT-06:00 Subject: Islam is NOT what you think it is.... Date: 05-12-2009. This nation is under siege by foreign secrete combinations. I am 100% sure of it and have mountains of proof to prove it. I have been actively working to awaken the people for 15 years now.... Today, We are being betrayed by our leaders in Washington and also in our states, and counties. We the people are the LAW of this land according to the constitutions. WE can stop the complete destruction of the constitution and remove those in power "over night" if we desire. We do not have to wait for elections! File affidavits claiming organized Crimes being committed by those in governments. Serve them to the sheriff in your county, the governor, the Senate, the House and the Justice Department. Put new sheriffs in to protect your rights, and then call upon the governors to activate the state militias, both unorganized and organized if needed, to arrest those in illegal power over us. This nation is a Christian nation. No one can state different with any common sense at all. Though the Jews, Muslims, etc... and Atheists are among us, they are allowed to live here, as long as they do not infringe upon the Christian rights of this land. When they start infringing upon our rights to live our religions, then we must remove them from this nation. WE have ONE nation, under ONE God, indivisible, a Republic, (see article 4 section 4 of US constitution) not a democracy, nor a socialist, nor communism, nor Islam, ETC.... Just so you know the facts..... on what kind of radical people we are dealing with.... Please check out the information below. Also know that the so called terrorists, that we see in the news every day are the small leaves on the trees of terror. What we must remove from this country is the roots and the trunks of that tree of evil and the leaves will die by themselves..... Every state of this union except Oklahoma and Texas, are still under the control of the secrete combinations. We Must stand up against these evil world bankers who control everything we do today. Investigator for the people. This was sent to me by some good people in Florida... Please read and investigate.... Now remember that Obama just ordered $20 million to be spent to give refugees to Palestinians, at our expense to move HERE, homes, jobs, etc... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a wakeup call. YOU MUST WATCH Short Video! If you do not understand THE REALITY OF ISLAM spreading around the world, YOU MUST WATCH THIS VIDEO! It is meant to move believers to action in the love of Christ. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU <=Click to see video.... Please read, absorb it, Contemplate its impact on you and your family's life and pass it on. Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components. Islamization Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges. When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well. Here's how it works. As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in: United States - Muslim 0.6% Australia - Muslim 1.5% Canada - Muslim 1.9% China - Muslim 1.8% Italy - Muslim 1.5% Norway - Muslim 1.8% At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in: Denmark - Muslim 2% Germany - Muslim 3.7% United Kingdom - Muslim 2.7% Spain - Muslim 4% Thailand - Muslim 4.6% >From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves - along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in: France - Muslim 8% Philippines - Muslim 5% Sweden - Muslim 5% Switzerland - Muslim 4.3% The Netherlands -Muslim 5.5% Trinidad & Tobago - Muslim 5.8% At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam ,with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in: Guyana - Muslim 10% India - Muslim 13.4% Israel - Muslim 16% Kenya - Muslim 10% Russia - Muslim 15% After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, the burnings of Christian churches, and Jewish synagogues, such as in: Ethiopia - Muslim 32.8% At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in: Bosnia - Muslim 40% Chad - Muslim 53.1% Lebanon - Muslim 59.7% >From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in: Albania - Muslim 70% Malaysia - Muslim 60.4% Qatar - Muslim 77.5% Sudan - Muslim 70% After 80%,expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in: Bangladesh - Muslim 83% Egypt - Muslim 90% Gaza - Muslim 98.7% Indonesia - Muslim 86.1% Iran - Muslim 98% Iraq - Muslim 97% Jordan - Muslim 92% Morocco - Muslim 98.7% Pakistan - Muslim 97% Palestine - Muslim 99% Syria - Muslim 90% Tajikistan - Muslim 90% Turkey - Muslin 99.8% United Arab Emirates - Muslim 96% 100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' - the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in: Afghanistan - Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia - Muslim 100% Somalia - Muslim 100% Yemen - Muslim 100% Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons. 'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj' It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate. Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century. Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat --------------------------------------------------------------- What is Oklahoma and Texas doing? An update from Oklahoma. The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in D.C., along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! Guess what..........We did it anyway. We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake. Guess what..........we did it anyway. Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional. Guess what........We did it anyway. Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what.........More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida. It appears the South is about to rise up once again. The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi. Guess what..........We did it anyway. By the way, Obama does not like any of this. Guess what....who cares...we're doing it anyway! D, J. XXXXX a Sovereign man, Investigator for the Republic, Christian Patriot Preacher Sons & Daughters of Liberty, a Public Safety Committee. UCC 1-308, sui juris, Without Prejudice, All Rights Preserved. Reply to xxxxxxxx Thank you! -- _____ What can you do with the new Windows Live? Find out -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Thu May 14 12:53:30 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:53:30 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Mary Rose - Response To: Who Are the Real Psychopaths in Afghanistan? Message-ID: <00dd01c9d4c5$49375a60$dba60f20$@net> Thank you Sada Nam for your input here. My feelings on this are that it would be most useful to consider this from a biological point of view. ?This? meaning: our ability to influence and control others. But first, we must look at who we really are from a biological perspective. And what is known is that we each are individual fields of ?vibrating information/energy,? and each of us, as revealed in the research of Valerie V. Hunt in Infinite Mind ?Science of the Human Vibrations of Consciousness, has a signatory vibrating pattern. I am using ?information/energy? here in that it appears that energy is information in motion. And that everything in the Universe is composed of information. I also want to note here that our ?signatory vibrating pattern? may be changed at will. The signatory vibrating pattern emanates from the heart?s beat. And the heart?s beat is connected with the ?Shuman Resonance Factor? referred to in the Global Coherence Project memo. Dr. Hunt?s ground-breaking research has led to stunning new information about the mind and the body, the emotions and creativity, and extrasensory human capacities in higher consciousness, which are referred to as ?spirit?. And what we know today is that ?spirit? is but the influence of the electromagnetic energy fields which constitute our body/mind as they ?entangle? with one another as we go about our everyday life. The heart?s beat creates an energy wave pattern (called the aura) which extends out from the body approximately 7 to 15 feet, and is toric in shape. Dependent upon its frequency it appears as different colors. These frequencies, expressed in hz per second range from a low of around 200 to a high of 1100 or more with the high expressing itself as the pure white light. Let us go back and recall that the electromagnetic energy field underlies all of life, and as well appears to be the energy/information force which provides form to everything. The electromagnetic energy field is one of four field forces in the Universe today, the other three being gravity along with the weak and strong nuclear forces. Dr. Bruce Lipton was the first to discover that this electromagnetic force emerged as soon as either a egg or a seed is conceptualized, and then surrounds the embryo. As we mingle with one another, these toric fields of energy overlap as we come into contact with one another and create influence dependent upon on individual ?intent? which may become collective. As two electromagnetic energy fields come into contact with one another they create what Dr. V. Vernon Woolf refers to as the ?BOT? or ?being of togetherness?. When you have the BOTs of two or more people coming together in entanglement, they form what is known as a ?collective field of consciousness? as the two or more entangled fields of energy begin to influence and thus take on different aspects of one another. I am going to stop here, but as each day passes, I want to add a little more to this so that we begin to understand how manipulation and control takes place. And what we can do in order to maintain a pure and coherent field of energy rather than one that erupts into chaos. However, we need to understand that when the field begins to change, as it is now in our lives, a chaos pattern is going to emerge as it is the collective information/energy of the chaos that will carry us into another level of consciousness. I read a marvelous analysis of this the other day as someone on Facebook posted a history of change taking place as water boils, becomes steam, and then evaporates. What I want to do as we explore different aspects of human consciousness in this manner is to remain focused on the ?science? of it so that we do not get caught up in the ?cultural baggage? which almost inevitably accompanies the exploration of human consciousness and how it operates. The pure ?science of life? provides us with a neutral field that is inherent in each of us and where there can be no conflict. It is when we begin to bring in the cultural baggage or ritual surrounding the ?belief system? of each collective that conflict arises. Input into this dialog is welcome as long as it is scientifically based and nothing written is taken personally. From: Sada Nam Kaur [mailto:sadanamkaur at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:21 AM To: Mary Rose Subject: RE: Peter Van Zant - Response To: Who Are the Real Psychopaths in Afghanistan? I agree with Peter?s comments which is why I also included a list of what we can influence externally. The only thing we can control is ourselves, which is our place of highest leverage, however we can also influence others, by creating local change as is happening with the transition movement and wider change through discussion groups like this, education programs, group action etc S _____ From: maryrose333 at att.net To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: FW: Peter Van Zant - Response To: Who Are the Real Psychopaths in Afghanistan? Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:48:11 -0700 Peter, in response to your question regarding what we can do, it is to not only reprogram our own sub-conscious mind, but to change our social systems (which constitute much of our environment) so that they are ?life-enhancing? rather than ?death-defining? as they presently are. Let?s go through this again with regard to the findings of cellular biologist, Dr. Bruce Lipton (and others) that genes do not control who we are. It is our environment, or more accurately, our perception of our environment that determines who we are. Our perceptions are generally programmed into our sub-conscious mind from the time of conception, and perhaps even prior to. So, we are born with a ?Jewish? perception, or a ?Christian perception? or a ?Muslim? perception, etc., in addition to other perceptions most of which are cultural in nature. For instance we could say there is a culture of love, or one of anger, one of child abuse, or a city or a countryside culture. We can also be born into the Canadian culture, or the U.S. culture or the Brazilian culture. And each culture affects how one experiences oneself. One of the most prevalent of cultures that shape us today is that of our ?monetary culture? or our monetary social system. It is the driver of all of our other social systems and it has become quite ?corrupted? over the span of years it has been in effect, and, in turn, has corrupted the other systems associated with it, e.g., education, politics, business, family, work, etc. But, I?d like to hear what Steve Bhaerman has to say on this subject since he has been in the process of writing a book with Dr. Lipton for the past couple years now. From: Krunkles at aol.com [mailto:Krunkles at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:08 PM To: maryrose333 at att.net Subject: Response To: Who Are the Real Psychopaths in Afghanistan? I realised that I made a mistake when I said that the genocide of muslims is perhaps the greatest human kind. I found out this morning that the native american population before the arrival of the europeans was 60 million. By 1940 there only remained 800,000, That is over 59 million people killed. I also learned that 100 million black people were killed through the slave trade. Krunkles: It is truly terrifying and totally depressing to speculate on such numbers. That is why they are usually ignored. We probably would have repressed almost all our knowledge of the Holocaust, had not the Jews insisted on keeping us aware of it. We have, after all, pretty much forgotten about all the slaughter that Stalin did, or Mao, or the United States in Indochina. We repress most of the knowledge of the slaughter we?re doing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now, and the fact that we?re doing it to protect our car culture. Even the people who are aware of all that and trying to oppose it repress knowledge of the magnitude of the task of changing it. So I began to reflect on what we can as individuals change and what we can influence: We can influence by being involved in these types of conversations and by sharing. We can influence by inspiring and informing people in our locality. We can change internally and externally. Internally: I consider the inner causes and the inner solutions, so the inner impulses of my mind that I will learn to control and those that I will develop(I don?t claim this list to be exhaustive but it fills the 80:20 rule). I moment by moment learn to control the following (inner causes): Jealousy, criticism, meanness, sense of superiority/eliteness/the chosen, sense of inferiority fear, fulfilling so many of my desires, need for status or need to be "someone", dissatisfaction, self-righteousness, taking care of me and mine, taking short-cuts or the easy path feelings of entitlement, laziness, wanting to receive more than the effort or energy that I give. Moment by moment I learn to develop the following (inner solutions): Tolerance and desire to understand others world view generosity loving kindness selfless service love inner plenitude the ability to think and feel together with people who don?t think and feel the same as I do energy and effort faith maintaining and protecting dignity simplicity honesty compassion order and structure commitment Excellent list. I am trying to do the same thing. It is absolutely maddening to realize how many times I find myself doing all of those things, and how many times I see others doing them, too. Question: How much of the job is changing ourselves and how much is effecting change in society at large? Is changing ourselves really about all that we can possibly do? Peter Van Zant _____ Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. _____ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. Check it out! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Thu May 14 13:27:21 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:27:21 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: : Comment by Sada Nam on FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? Message-ID: <010401c9d4ca$03b9cb80$0b2d6280$@net> From: Sada Nam Kaur [mailto:sadanamkaur at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:15 AM To: Mary Rose Subject: RE: : [GJM] Comment by Rima Laibow Re: FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? Dear Mary Rose, There is a lovely quote from Rudolph Steiner which says: Consensus does not mean thinking the same, it means feeling and thinking together even though we think differently. If you and Rima can find a way of feeling and thinking together despite your differences, then you will have healed something important in the collective consciousness and this will have a knock on effect. On a separate point, there are cultural issues (separate from individuals) which are important to recognise, in the discussion around judaism, it is that: usura is accepted and the belief within the religion that jewish people are the chosen people. Therefore, there is perhaps a question for individual jewish people to consider how much they hold these beliefs in their subconscious and therefore how much this affects the collective consciousness of the jewish community, then finally, what might be the consequences of these thought patterns on world peace. I also believe that each country or group of people have a divisive theme in their collective consciousness to bring to wholeness. All best wishes S Sada Nam, thank you for your insight here, and I suspect you are right with regard to the Jewish people believing they are the ?chosen people? and from where I sit, this goes back to the time of the Nefilim mentioned in the Bible, and as revealed by Zechariah Sitchin in his translations of the Sumerian Tablets. As revealed by the appearance of Sitchin as the keynote speaker at the Whole Consciousness Expo in Los Angeles a month or so ago, the Sumerian Tablets are making their entrance as valid historical documents which must be taken into consideration when contemplating the origins of homo sapiens. And the question as to why the knowledge contained in these Tablets has been suppressed for so long must be addressed. Was It only that Sitchin was the first to demonstrate the capability to translate these historic records (10,000 or more of them)? Or is there more to this story which threatens to overturn the whole concept as to who god is, and to bring new light to shine on the question as to whether Jesus ever lived. Something that would shine a whole different light on Western religion? _____ From: maryrose333 at att.net To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: : [GJM] Comment by Rima Laibow Re: FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:51:46 -0700 From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Dr. Rima Laibow Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:26 AM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] Comment by Mary Nelson Re: FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? Rima, when I wrote ?you and other Jews like you? I was attempting to exclude you from those associated with the term ?Zionist Jew?. I have tried to be so considerate of you when I write because you are so sensitive and in denial about a lot of things, but for my efforts only get attacked over and over again. I recall years ago attempting to be friendly with a person who is black, but found it to be impossible. He was so busy being ?black? that he could no longer just be a person. FYI, for the past 17 ? 18 years, I have been immersed in research as to the whys and wherefores of the monetary system which has also led me to ask the question as to who we really are. And I am attempting to record my findings in the book: ?The Sacred Quest for the Who of I Am.? I am a fact-finder on a research mission. My life for the past 18 years has been committed to the interests of all of humanity as I go about this task. I live on a very small social security check and refuse to accept money for what I do. Recently I turned down a very high-paid position with a European firm involved in multi-million dollar contracts worldwide involving the design and construction of sustainable living communities. I did so because I felt it more important to create the Future Dawning virtual Learning Center and Think Tank as a means of empowering people in being all that they can be, and being free. . And as well to have more personal time to conduct research for the book. In researching and writing the book, I have to be as objective and as factual as possible. What I write is recorded elsewhere ? it is not ?my thoughts? that go into this. I cannot just make things up. So everything is referenced; however, there are times when people inform me on certain things, and while I try my best to find a documented source to back up the information provided, sometimes it is not possible to do so. So, then I may use my own judgment ?if? I have enough documented information available to provide credibility to the ?additional? information provided but not documented elsewhere. And sometimes I also am not at liberty to reveal the source. Also there are literally thousands of books and other sources available today on this subject in addition to the close to one thousand that I have read in an attempt to find the truth, plus thousands of articles. And, neither can I go with just one reference ? I have to have at least three or more to ensure that the ?whole dynamic? of any given situation is visible. Which is the reason it is taking me so long to write this. Do, I occasionally make mistakes? ?Yes,? but not often. And, i totally comprehend that what I write about is not easy to swallow for a lot of people because the lies have been so deep for so long. Were it not for the Internet and the incredible number of incredible people doing research and creating information exchanges via the net or writing highly referenced books and other materials, we would all of us still be victims of the Romans ploy to rule the world using religion as a tool. Fortunately, millions of people are now coming to know the truth. I am only the messenger here, Rima. I am not the message. But, as so often happens in these instances, it is easier to try and ?kill the messenger? than deal with the problem. I feel your pain, Rima, and I am sorry for it. But it is not of my making ? your need to deal with your anger in another way. With love and understanding, mary rose MaryRose, I am astonished that you would write the letter which I have included below. I will tell you why in interleaved comments. Rima, You and other Jews like you Other Jews like me? Brown haired? Intellectual? Wearing glasses? Female? Doctors? Political Activists? 5'4"? Just exactly what kind of a Jew am I, Mary Rose? A Zionist? A libertarian? A liberal? A conservative? A devout worshiper? A non-believer? A Hassid? A feminist? A vegetarian? A gardner? Suddenly you are flinging around phrases such as "You and other Jews like you" and we are into the ugly land of stereotypes. Like me, love me, hate me, but do it on a personal basis since I am a person, not a group. are going to have to come to terms with You assume that I do not know quite clearly that the banking families, illuminati, etc., believe they are in charge of the world. You have obviously not had time to read what I write continually. I also know that the reality is that power is the religion of the destroyers, not any creed. Let's not be naive here, MaryRose. the fact that the banking system and the media, including Hollywood, are owned and run by Zionist Jews and that these people are very much involved with and influential in AIPAC. It has become quite evident that the United States is providing money and weapons to Israel so that that country can commit genocidal acts on the Palestinians as they did in the last attacks with money provided by the U.S . These acts are reprehensible to those of us who believe in peace as a pathway to the future. These acts ARE reprehensible. On this one you are quite right. Evil is evil, no matter who commits it. Violence is violence and crimes against humanity are crimes against humanity. Was Pol Pot Jewish because he conducted a vile genocide? How about rageful Southern Whites who lynched blacks? Were the KKK villans, crying out to their sweet Jesus, controlled by Jews, too? What are those of us who find these acts to be unacceptable supposed to do? Are we to ignore the situation? Are we to ignore that Jewish Zionist bankers are playing the rest of us for dopes, taking money out of our pockets and putting it into their pockets as fast as they can? And that the Zionist Jewish media is programming our minds? Get over it, Mary Rose. When confronted with specifics and statistics, suddenly "Zionists" are Mormons and Catholics and God knows what religion. Your label does not work. People can be evil withtout being Jewish and can be Jewish without being evil. Find another label which matches the reality. The ones you are using provoke hatred and divisivness - just what the controllers thrive on. Look at the comments which your the initial post in the series has drawn - now we've got people with shivers running up their backs because they have Jewish friends whom they are now scared by. Thanks. That really helps us all be the change we want to see! There is someone else on the Co-learner?s list who is Jewish and has stood up previously and written that he is concerned with the power of AIPAC and its influence here in the United States. I admire him for his sense of right and wrong, along with the ability to call a spade a spade. I never said I was not concerned with AIPAC or that I was not. My comments were to something different: hatred and the breeding of more hatred. And, I simply do not understand your problem, Rima, unless you condone these actions? Wow! First I have a problem (probably that I take a different position and have not gone away despite the way you have responded to me - or maybe the fact that I am not towing the particular line your posts are hewing to) and then, because you do not understand my position (which you style a problem) I condone "these actions"? What, may I ask, happened to respectful discourse and the ability to conduct it without ad hominim argumentation? I am not attacking you, nor do I suggest you have a problem, MaryRose. How about a little more of that change you want to be? Is it OK with you for someone to do these kinds of things because they are Jews and perhaps ?better than the rest of us?? Where did you come up with that? It is NOT OK with me to foster hatred and it is not OK with me to violate the rights and lives of others, no matter what sect or group they belong to or who wants the land on which they live. Please, do me the kindness of refraining from this kind of smear argument. If I do not agree with your forumulation that does not mean that I support what you oppose. Your logic is far from robust here. I have gone out of my way time and again to make it clear that not all Jews are Zionists, just as not ?all of the rest of us? are ?guilty free?. And I have gone out of my way to focus my argument on the result of these labels which are, according to your posts as well as that of others, not accurate. I do not like to use ?labels? Well, using a phrase like "You and other Jews like you" sure makes it hard to tell that you do not like to use "lables" since that is exactly what you have done in a most "label like" way. but I do not know how else to identify people who are way out of line Way out of line? Does that mean that they (in this case, I) disagree with something you agree with or have written? Who draws the line that "they" are out of, MaryRose? Just exactly how does that work? I rather thought that we all had the right to have our own opinions and, as "co-learners" also had the right to disagree with what someone else said. I must admit that I assumed that courtesy and an appreciation of diversity of awareness were appreciated values here so I guess I am having trouble seeing the line and understanding what it means to be way out of it. and need to be called on their game. Another astonishing idea. Someone who is "way out of line" according to the line drawer (You, by any chance?) "needs" "to be called on their game"? Again, just exactly how does this work? Who gets to do the calling? Who decides what the "game" is? I would like to be read into the line drawing and game calling programs. It sounds like a whole lot of fun, actually, to be the decider. Is that slot vacent now that the White House occupant has changed? This is, when you look at it at all closely, absurd. I assume you mean that you don't like what I said. Has it ever occurred to you, Rima, the risk that some of us take in speaking out? Well, yes. I have noticed that. I am the author of a great many things that the establishment does not like at a great many levels. I have faced down the US government's annointed representatives on a couple of occassions and won (e.g., when I mustered the opposition at a Codex meeting that defeated the US - led proposal to allow high levels of fluoride in baby formula at the Codex Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Uses meeting in Thailand. I have been the subject of rather nasty assaults of several types and still continue my work (see www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org for some examples). I gave up a lucrative practice of drug free medicine and a lovely home to do the work that I do defending your health freedom, Mary Rose and dare say that I understand the risks that some of us take in speaking out more than most do. While I refuse to let fear rule me, I am conscious every day of what the consequences of speaking out may be. As as I. I celebrate all of us who speak out fearlessly despite our clear understanding of what the risks are. That is why I am so astonished when you attack me instead of discoursing with me. We do not need to do to each other what the other side is perfectly happy to do to us through disinformation and assault. But I am as well aware of what the consequences will be if I do not do so. Me, too! Too long have many of us been intimidated by this ?anti-semitic? crap which expects us to just bow down and accept whatever anyone wants to do to us. You know, when I was practicing psychiatry (drug free, of course), a button someone gave me said, "Even paranoids have real enemies!" Consider this: there might be, just might be, real anit-semitism which is inappropriate, ugly, divisive, unnecessary, dangerous and evil. And then there might be information about what the power mad lunatics of all stripes are trying to do. How about separating them so that the enemy -real - is carefully deliniated and the enemy - imagined - is not included when there is no reality to that side of the house. Try it. Once you get that sorted out, I am with you. Evil is evil and uses religion and race to further its goals. But focusing on religion or race furthers its goals, albeit unwittingly. I am sure that is not your goal. I have been reading what you write for some time now and I think you are a person of good will and good intent. Please take some time to consider what I am saying and I think you will find it useful and grow from the consideration. I hope so. And I expect an answer from you. You have an answer from me although I am once again astonished that you would demand an reply from me in this way. Respect? Do you actually have the right to demand an answer from me or from anyone else using this tone in a public forum? if so, please explain how that works, too. The last time we got into this area, I remember your writing that you felt the Jews had a right to the land in Gaza. I said no such thing. What I said was that the Palestinians left their homes on the promise that the Jews would be drivien into the sea and they could come home to take back their homes AND what the Jews posessed. They created the exodus and their refugee status. That in no way should, or, to my mind, could, be construed to mean that the Jews have a right to the land in Gaza or that what is happening there is forgiveable. Another momemt of astonishment! But if I did feel that they had a right to the land, what would that mean? That I am one of the group you call "other Jews like me"? See what I mean? I am an individual with a different take on things. I am not a stereotype and do not believe you can possibly believe that about people when you think it through. Does that mean that you condone what is happening there? See above. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.HealthFreedomUSA.org www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Dr. Rima Laibow Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:01 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Am I the only person that this rampant upsurge in anti-semitism bothers? Why is that? A headline like "Do the Jews Own Hollywood and the Media" can be seen as nothing short of an inflammatory call toward group hatred. It is called "Jew Baiting" and has a long history: when something is wrong with the State, the tactic of the state is to hate. Jews usually are the first targets, but it could be any "other" which is convenient. I fully support the invesigation and propagation of information about the Illuminati, Bildebergers, etc., etc. Let's be clear here: this type of hate mongering (sorry, that is exactly what it is, no matter how you rationalize it) is the fruit of a successful divide and conquer strategy by the very people whom we want to expose. Do you really think that the synagogues and temples of the Jews of Los Angeles, and the homes of the people who, like me, never go to synagogues or temples, are filled with talk of bringing down the US or how to deploy the media? How very foolish and naive! They are filled with the same conversations as churches, mosques and homes everywhere: finances, friends and family. Let's remember the concept of being the change we want to see. I personally would like to live in a world of mutual respect and clear-sighted honesty, not group-bashing and state controlled poverty. Please, Mary Rose, act as a responsible moderator and refuse to let your outstanding forum become a bill board for the scrawlings of those who build fear and loathing when they should be building scaffolds of light. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org www.HealthFreedomUSA.org On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM, mary rose wrote: You did not read what I wrote: What I wrote is that the Libertarian Party is very closely linked to the Mafia in Italy. I did not say there was a Libertarian Party in Italy. When there is only linking, it makes it very difficult to determine who is really who and doing what. From: FixGov at yahoogroups.com [mailto:FixGov at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Kiss?ll Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:26 AM To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Just out of curiosity, what to which Italian political party are you referring? AFAIK, there is no political party in Italy whose name would translate into English as "Libertarian Party". --- On Sun, 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: From: mary rose Subject: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net, "FixGov at yahoogroups. com" Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 8:07 PM And, it is my feeling we should be very careful with regard to the Libertarian Party as it is linked very closely with the Mafia in Italy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Members MARKETPLACE I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! 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We have discussed this previously, but what allows Cargill to undercut the prices of local farmers in the developing world are the government subsidies provided to farmers here in the U.S. Quite overlooked is that the U.S. farmer is now a large commercial agribusiness which due to advances in technology can run a huge farm of several thousand acres with only five or six employees. The profitability factor here has allowed Cargill to accumulate its own fleet of ships with which to ship grain much as did the East India Company when "colonialism" was the name of the game. Now it is known as "globalization. However, is "globalization" the problem or is it how we participate in a globalized world made smaller by communication and transportation technologies? Initially, subsidies were provided to enable small farmers to stay in business, but as "unintended consequences" of this event have emerged, we see the failure in not taking into consideration the whole dynamics of any given situation and looking only at short term results. In this instance something that only a computer aided modeling program would have the ability to discover. The other factor here relative to addiction is when the lures of technology override the lure of the things which at the beginning of our social evolution provided us with "soul," e.g., community, natural living, belongingness, equality, and vitality. As the things which provided us with soul have disappeared, technological advances have not proven able to fill the hole of emptiness left by the disappearance of the integral qualities which connected us closely with the earth. In fact, the appearance of plastic soled shoes coupled with so much cement has provided a direct source of disconnect from the Earth - from the Schuman Resonance which is vital to our well-being. Here is an article on the Schuman Resonance and why it is such an important factor in life. http://www.earthbreathing.co.uk/sr.htm As one can see, we have covered a number of inter-related subjects here that effect outcome, but which are continually over-looked in our "left-brain" oriented society which continually fails to see the "whole dynamic" of any given situation. From: lawrence kiely [mailto:topdownyoga at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:26 PM To: Stephanie Sutton Subject: Obama's administration steps up to the plate http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124225891527617397.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Thu May 14 14:59:09 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:59:09 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: : Comment by Sada Nam on FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? Message-ID: <014301c9d4d6$d73081a0$859184e0$@net> I do not believe this to be speculation, but facts that we need to deal with. From: Sada Nam Kaur [mailto:sadanamkaur at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:00 PM To: Mary Rose Subject: RE: : [GJM] Comment by Sada Nam on FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? Speculations begin to lose me, my focus is on doing what I am able to be a raindrop among the many that would like to bring peace and wellbeing to all people. Therefore, I like to keep this present time and practical, what can I do, and what can we do right now to help this be so. _____ From: maryrose333 at att.net To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: FW: : [GJM] Comment by Sada Nam on FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:27:21 -0700 From: Sada Nam Kaur [mailto:sadanamkaur at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:15 AM To: Mary Rose Subject: RE: : [GJM] Comment by Rima Laibow Re: FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? Dear Mary Rose, There is a lovely quote from Rudolph Steiner which says: Consensus does not mean thinking the same, it means feeling and thinking together even though we think differently. If you and Rima can find a way of feeling and thinking together despite your differences, then you will have healed something important in the collective consciousness and this will have a knock on effect. On a separate point, there are cultural issues (separate from individuals) which are important to recognise, in the discussion around judaism, it is that: usura is accepted and the belief within the religion that jewish people are the chosen people. Therefore, there is perhaps a question for individual jewish people to consider how much they hold these beliefs in their subconscious and therefore how much this affects the collective consciousness of the jewish community, then finally, what might be the consequences of these thought patterns on world peace. I also believe that each country or group of people have a divisive theme in their collective consciousness to bring to wholeness. All best wishes S Sada Nam, thank you for your insight here, and I suspect you are right with regard to the Jewish people believing they are the ?chosen people? and from where I sit, this goes back to the time of the Nefilim mentioned in the Bible, and as revealed by Zechariah Sitchin in his translations of the Sumerian Tablets. As revealed by the appearance of Sitchin as the keynote speaker at the Whole Consciousness Expo in Los Angeles a month or so ago, the Sumerian Tablets are making their entrance as valid historical documents which must be taken into consideration when contemplating the origins of homo sapiens. And the question as to why the knowledge contained in these Tablets has been suppressed for so long must be addressed. Was It only that Sitchin was the first to demonstrate the capability to translate these historic records (10,000 or more of them)? Or is there more to this story which threatens to overturn the whole concept as to who god is, and to bring new light to shine on the question as to whether Jesus ever lived. Something that would shine a whole different light on Western religion? _____ From: maryrose333 at att.net To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: : [GJM] Comment by Rima Laibow Re: FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:51:46 -0700 From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Dr. Rima Laibow Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:26 AM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] Comment by Mary Nelson Re: FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? Rima, when I wrote ?you and other Jews like you? I was attempting to exclude you from those associated with the term ?Zionist Jew?. I have tried to be so considerate of you when I write because you are so sensitive and in denial about a lot of things, but for my efforts only get attacked over and over again. I recall years ago attempting to be friendly with a person who is black, but found it to be impossible. He was so busy being ?black? that he could no longer just be a person. FYI, for the past 17 ? 18 years, I have been immersed in research as to the whys and wherefores of the monetary system which has also led me to ask the question as to who we really are. And I am attempting to record my findings in the book: ?The Sacred Quest for the Who of I Am.? I am a fact-finder on a research mission. My life for the past 18 years has been committed to the interests of all of humanity as I go about this task. I live on a very small social security check and refuse to accept money for what I do. Recently I turned down a very high-paid position with a European firm involved in multi-million dollar contracts worldwide involving the design and construction of sustainable living communities. I did so because I felt it more important to create the Future Dawning virtual Learning Center and Think Tank as a means of empowering people in being all that they can be, and being free. . And as well to have more personal time to conduct research for the book. In researching and writing the book, I have to be as objective and as factual as possible. What I write is recorded elsewhere ? it is not ?my thoughts? that go into this. I cannot just make things up. So everything is referenced; however, there are times when people inform me on certain things, and while I try my best to find a documented source to back up the information provided, sometimes it is not possible to do so. So, then I may use my own judgment ?if? I have enough documented information available to provide credibility to the ?additional? information provided but not documented elsewhere. And sometimes I also am not at liberty to reveal the source. Also there are literally thousands of books and other sources available today on this subject in addition to the close to one thousand that I have read in an attempt to find the truth, plus thousands of articles. And, neither can I go with just one reference ? I have to have at least three or more to ensure that the ?whole dynamic? of any given situation is visible. Which is the reason it is taking me so long to write this. Do, I occasionally make mistakes? ?Yes,? but not often. And, i totally comprehend that what I write about is not easy to swallow for a lot of people because the lies have been so deep for so long. Were it not for the Internet and the incredible number of incredible people doing research and creating information exchanges via the net or writing highly referenced books and other materials, we would all of us still be victims of the Romans ploy to rule the world using religion as a tool. Fortunately, millions of people are now coming to know the truth. I am only the messenger here, Rima. I am not the message. But, as so often happens in these instances, it is easier to try and ?kill the messenger? than deal with the problem. I feel your pain, Rima, and I am sorry for it. But it is not of my making ? your need to deal with your anger in another way. With love and understanding, mary rose MaryRose, I am astonished that you would write the letter which I have included below. I will tell you why in interleaved comments. Rima, You and other Jews like you Other Jews like me? Brown haired? Intellectual? Wearing glasses? Female? Doctors? Political Activists? 5'4"? Just exactly what kind of a Jew am I, Mary Rose? A Zionist? A libertarian? A liberal? A conservative? A devout worshiper? A non-believer? A Hassid? A feminist? A vegetarian? A gardner? Suddenly you are flinging around phrases such as "You and other Jews like you" and we are into the ugly land of stereotypes. Like me, love me, hate me, but do it on a personal basis since I am a person, not a group. are going to have to come to terms with You assume that I do not know quite clearly that the banking families, illuminati, etc., believe they are in charge of the world. You have obviously not had time to read what I write continually. I also know that the reality is that power is the religion of the destroyers, not any creed. Let's not be naive here, MaryRose. the fact that the banking system and the media, including Hollywood, are owned and run by Zionist Jews and that these people are very much involved with and influential in AIPAC. It has become quite evident that the United States is providing money and weapons to Israel so that that country can commit genocidal acts on the Palestinians as they did in the last attacks with money provided by the U.S . These acts are reprehensible to those of us who believe in peace as a pathway to the future. These acts ARE reprehensible. On this one you are quite right. Evil is evil, no matter who commits it. Violence is violence and crimes against humanity are crimes against humanity. Was Pol Pot Jewish because he conducted a vile genocide? How about rageful Southern Whites who lynched blacks? Were the KKK villans, crying out to their sweet Jesus, controlled by Jews, too? What are those of us who find these acts to be unacceptable supposed to do? Are we to ignore the situation? Are we to ignore that Jewish Zionist bankers are playing the rest of us for dopes, taking money out of our pockets and putting it into their pockets as fast as they can? And that the Zionist Jewish media is programming our minds? Get over it, Mary Rose. When confronted with specifics and statistics, suddenly "Zionists" are Mormons and Catholics and God knows what religion. Your label does not work. People can be evil withtout being Jewish and can be Jewish without being evil. Find another label which matches the reality. The ones you are using provoke hatred and divisivness - just what the controllers thrive on. Look at the comments which your the initial post in the series has drawn - now we've got people with shivers running up their backs because they have Jewish friends whom they are now scared by. Thanks. That really helps us all be the change we want to see! There is someone else on the Co-learner?s list who is Jewish and has stood up previously and written that he is concerned with the power of AIPAC and its influence here in the United States. I admire him for his sense of right and wrong, along with the ability to call a spade a spade. I never said I was not concerned with AIPAC or that I was not. My comments were to something different: hatred and the breeding of more hatred. And, I simply do not understand your problem, Rima, unless you condone these actions? Wow! First I have a problem (probably that I take a different position and have not gone away despite the way you have responded to me - or maybe the fact that I am not towing the particular line your posts are hewing to) and then, because you do not understand my position (which you style a problem) I condone "these actions"? What, may I ask, happened to respectful discourse and the ability to conduct it without ad hominim argumentation? I am not attacking you, nor do I suggest you have a problem, MaryRose. How about a little more of that change you want to be? Is it OK with you for someone to do these kinds of things because they are Jews and perhaps ?better than the rest of us?? Where did you come up with that? It is NOT OK with me to foster hatred and it is not OK with me to violate the rights and lives of others, no matter what sect or group they belong to or who wants the land on which they live. Please, do me the kindness of refraining from this kind of smear argument. If I do not agree with your forumulation that does not mean that I support what you oppose. Your logic is far from robust here. I have gone out of my way time and again to make it clear that not all Jews are Zionists, just as not ?all of the rest of us? are ?guilty free?. And I have gone out of my way to focus my argument on the result of these labels which are, according to your posts as well as that of others, not accurate. I do not like to use ?labels? Well, using a phrase like "You and other Jews like you" sure makes it hard to tell that you do not like to use "lables" since that is exactly what you have done in a most "label like" way. but I do not know how else to identify people who are way out of line Way out of line? Does that mean that they (in this case, I) disagree with something you agree with or have written? Who draws the line that "they" are out of, MaryRose? Just exactly how does that work? I rather thought that we all had the right to have our own opinions and, as "co-learners" also had the right to disagree with what someone else said. I must admit that I assumed that courtesy and an appreciation of diversity of awareness were appreciated values here so I guess I am having trouble seeing the line and understanding what it means to be way out of it. and need to be called on their game. Another astonishing idea. Someone who is "way out of line" according to the line drawer (You, by any chance?) "needs" "to be called on their game"? Again, just exactly how does this work? Who gets to do the calling? Who decides what the "game" is? I would like to be read into the line drawing and game calling programs. It sounds like a whole lot of fun, actually, to be the decider. Is that slot vacent now that the White House occupant has changed? This is, when you look at it at all closely, absurd. I assume you mean that you don't like what I said. Has it ever occurred to you, Rima, the risk that some of us take in speaking out? Well, yes. I have noticed that. I am the author of a great many things that the establishment does not like at a great many levels. I have faced down the US government's annointed representatives on a couple of occassions and won (e.g., when I mustered the opposition at a Codex meeting that defeated the US - led proposal to allow high levels of fluoride in baby formula at the Codex Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Uses meeting in Thailand. I have been the subject of rather nasty assaults of several types and still continue my work (see www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org for some examples). I gave up a lucrative practice of drug free medicine and a lovely home to do the work that I do defending your health freedom, Mary Rose and dare say that I understand the risks that some of us take in speaking out more than most do. While I refuse to let fear rule me, I am conscious every day of what the consequences of speaking out may be. As as I. I celebrate all of us who speak out fearlessly despite our clear understanding of what the risks are. That is why I am so astonished when you attack me instead of discoursing with me. We do not need to do to each other what the other side is perfectly happy to do to us through disinformation and assault. But I am as well aware of what the consequences will be if I do not do so. Me, too! Too long have many of us been intimidated by this ?anti-semitic? crap which expects us to just bow down and accept whatever anyone wants to do to us. You know, when I was practicing psychiatry (drug free, of course), a button someone gave me said, "Even paranoids have real enemies!" Consider this: there might be, just might be, real anit-semitism which is inappropriate, ugly, divisive, unnecessary, dangerous and evil. And then there might be information about what the power mad lunatics of all stripes are trying to do. How about separating them so that the enemy -real - is carefully deliniated and the enemy - imagined - is not included when there is no reality to that side of the house. Try it. Once you get that sorted out, I am with you. Evil is evil and uses religion and race to further its goals. But focusing on religion or race furthers its goals, albeit unwittingly. I am sure that is not your goal. I have been reading what you write for some time now and I think you are a person of good will and good intent. Please take some time to consider what I am saying and I think you will find it useful and grow from the consideration. I hope so. And I expect an answer from you. You have an answer from me although I am once again astonished that you would demand an reply from me in this way. Respect? Do you actually have the right to demand an answer from me or from anyone else using this tone in a public forum? if so, please explain how that works, too. The last time we got into this area, I remember your writing that you felt the Jews had a right to the land in Gaza. I said no such thing. What I said was that the Palestinians left their homes on the promise that the Jews would be drivien into the sea and they could come home to take back their homes AND what the Jews posessed. They created the exodus and their refugee status. That in no way should, or, to my mind, could, be construed to mean that the Jews have a right to the land in Gaza or that what is happening there is forgiveable. Another momemt of astonishment! But if I did feel that they had a right to the land, what would that mean? That I am one of the group you call "other Jews like me"? See what I mean? I am an individual with a different take on things. I am not a stereotype and do not believe you can possibly believe that about people when you think it through. Does that mean that you condone what is happening there? See above. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.HealthFreedomUSA.org www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Dr. Rima Laibow Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:01 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: [SPAM]Re: [GJM] [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Am I the only person that this rampant upsurge in anti-semitism bothers? Why is that? A headline like "Do the Jews Own Hollywood and the Media" can be seen as nothing short of an inflammatory call toward group hatred. It is called "Jew Baiting" and has a long history: when something is wrong with the State, the tactic of the state is to hate. Jews usually are the first targets, but it could be any "other" which is convenient. I fully support the invesigation and propagation of information about the Illuminati, Bildebergers, etc., etc. Let's be clear here: this type of hate mongering (sorry, that is exactly what it is, no matter how you rationalize it) is the fruit of a successful divide and conquer strategy by the very people whom we want to expose. Do you really think that the synagogues and temples of the Jews of Los Angeles, and the homes of the people who, like me, never go to synagogues or temples, are filled with talk of bringing down the US or how to deploy the media? How very foolish and naive! They are filled with the same conversations as churches, mosques and homes everywhere: finances, friends and family. Let's remember the concept of being the change we want to see. I personally would like to live in a world of mutual respect and clear-sighted honesty, not group-bashing and state controlled poverty. Please, Mary Rose, act as a responsible moderator and refuse to let your outstanding forum become a bill board for the scrawlings of those who build fear and loathing when they should be building scaffolds of light. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org www.HealthFreedomUSA.org On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM, mary rose wrote: You did not read what I wrote: What I wrote is that the Libertarian Party is very closely linked to the Mafia in Italy. I did not say there was a Libertarian Party in Italy. When there is only linking, it makes it very difficult to determine who is really who and doing what. From: FixGov at yahoogroups.com [mailto:FixGov at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Kiss?ll Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:26 AM To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs Just out of curiosity, what to which Italian political party are you referring? AFAIK, there is no political party in Italy whose name would translate into English as "Libertarian Party". --- On Sun, 5/10/09, mary rose wrote: From: mary rose Subject: [FixGov] FW: Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media? By Texe Marrs To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net, "FixGov at yahoogroups. com" Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 8:07 PM And, it is my feeling we should be very careful with regard to the Libertarian Party as it is linked very closely with the Mafia in Italy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Members MARKETPLACE I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! 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And, new information is the "life-blood" of any system - keeping it oiled and vibrant. So, having to practice what I preach and walk my talk in this respect. Joelle de Lespinois, our web designer as well as one of the founding members, has already set up a blog system, -- in fact she did it months ago - but I've been lolly-gagging along reluctant, like many others, to leave the old way behind and move into the new. The funny thing is, now that I am ready to make this move, I just read that blogging may be a thing of the past - and I am forced to ask "is Twitter taking its place, and in order to keep up, am I going to be forced to Twitter away my time as well?" Am glad that the launching of Future Dawning forced me out of a rut, and we are now into the "social networking scene," joining up with 200 million Friends on Facebook as a new way of conducting relationships takes place including business ones . But, it really isn't business anymore and I don't have a word as yet to label it so we can distinguish the new from the old. But I can tell you that something different is quickly happening as this new information exchange modality brings more people into the vortex where the possible number of dynamics taking place at one time is phenomenal. We are now nearing warp speed and my head is swirling with the potential that lies within this quickly flowing information stream . . . Will still be sending out notices to the Co-learner's List when a new blog is posted. And, also forwarding newsletters like "Spiritcrossing," along with the Global Coherence and Mind Shift notices. We'll also be creating our own media releases from the Crystal Clearwater Alliance Portal and Pathway on Future Dawning and conducting webinars and other events as we grow and get into the same league as Holodynamics, Institute of Heart Math, etc. But no more discussions will take place. Need a short break to clean up the glut on my computer and around the house before getting into this new realm, so will be a couple weeks before we get this new gig going. In the years we have been together, I have learned so much and could not have done it without all those who have participated on this list. You have been my inspiration to grow and move on. . . And, as always, am so greatfull to Vern Woolf, who held my hand through the formative years of leaving convention behind and daring to be unconventionally and sometimes daringly different as I ran the gauntlet out of the matrix. Although i get the feeling this gauntlet run may have no end in sight as the "past collective" fears leaving its comfort zone and cutting new paths. But, here's to growth, open mindedness, and the Future Dawning. I love adventure . . . 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URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Fri May 15 15:17:57 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:17:57 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Something Funny About This Swine Flu "Pandemic"! Message-ID: <00c901c9d5a2$a2189cb0$e649d610$@net> I urge everyone who can to support the work of Dr. Rima and the Natural Solutions Foundation. Please read the News Alert for more information. From: Natural Solutions Foundation [mailto:dr.laibow at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:23 PM To: maryrose333 at att.net Subject: Something Funny About This Swine Flu "Pandemic"! Health Freedom Alert News, alerts, and other information related to your health freedom. Action Items You Can Take Now - May 15, 2009 Welcome! In This Issue: * Health Freedom Alerts: 1. Protecting Children and Moms From Drugs, 2. Pandemic Pushers Try Harder... * Health Freedom on TWITTER! * Foundation at the Movies! * Legal Eagle <> : Vicious Cyber-attack Designed to Destroy Natural Solutions Foundation; Codex * Dr. Rima Recommends: Flu Cytokine Storm... Note: This issue of the Health Freedom Action eAlerts is jam-packed with vital information and Action Items that we feel we must share with you. Please take the time to read and share this information with all of your contacts. _____ Urgent Action Items: PROTECT CHILDREN and PARENTAL RIGHTS : SUPPORT HR 2218 http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/t/1128/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27 246 PROTECT PREGNANT MOTHERS AND BABIES COERCIVE DRUGGING: OPPOSE S 324 http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/t/1128/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=23 065 TELL ALL ELECTED LEGISLATORS AND THE PRESIDENT YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH MANDATORY VACCINATION FOR NON-EXISTENT PANDEMIC http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27275 Check out what's so funny about the Swine Flu below... And don't forget the video of the day and the Health Freedom Blog, both on our website - www.HealthFreedomUSA.org _____ Health Freedom on Twitter! Don't Miss Another Health Freedom Blog! Join Twitter for free, sign up to follow HealthFreedomUS and you will receive notification every time we publish a new Health Freedom Blog. www.twitter.com/HealthFreedomUS and www.twitter.com/drlaibow Our most recent "tweets" also appear at the "Our Twitter Feeds" link (left menu) on www.HealthFreedomUSA.org... it's like a headline feed on cable news... only what you read is true! _____ Natural Solutions at the Movies! Advanced healthcare practitioner and author Andrea Levinson's "dark [chocolate] commedy" Death, Taxes and Chocholate is being presented at the Cannes Film Festival this week... Yes, HealthFreedomUSA.org is in the story and listed in the credits! We're setting up a DT&C benefit day through Amazon so you can buy the funny, sad story of a healer and what would happen if people don't get our message of health and freedom. So expect us to let you know in the next eblast when that will happen. _____ Mouse Warriors Alert! Urgent Action Items: PROTECT CHILDREN FROM COMPULSORY DRUGGING and PROTECT PARENTAL RIGHTS AT THE SAME TIME: SUPPORT HR 2218 Click here: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/t/1128/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27 246 PROTECT PREGNANT MOTHERS AND THEIR BABIES FROM COMPULSORY SCREENING AND COERCIVE DRUGGING: OPPOSE S 324 Click here: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/t/1128/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=23 065 Children are the latest victims in the Drug Crimes Against Humanity. Let me share my bias with you and then tell you why I believe that babies and children are being assaulted in increasing numbers with a deadly weapon: psychotropic drugs. These drugs kill and maim at the physical, neurological, psychological and emotional levels. They have lethal and sub-lethal side effects but are, astonishingly, handed out like candy, as if they were properly tested, safe or effective. Psychoactive drugs have none of those attributes and they are astonishingly unwise and unnecessary in babies, yes babies!, and children. Big Pharma is getting / making its moves to pass the same type of coercive and anti-democratic laws about drugs that Big Agribiz is working on for food. Take the action steps listed above and protect freedom and health at the same time. Then please urge everyone you know to do the same. The issue is enormously important but time is very short. Read the rest of this important message at: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2676 Includes Dr. Laibow's letter to the editor of the Shafer Autism Review. _____ Natural Solutions Foundation Uncovers Document Outlining UN Steps to Form One World Government When Global Pandemic Occurs Why have the World Health Organization (WHO) and CDC continued to insist that this absurd non-crisis is a Pandemic? Could the answer lie in this document? We believe it does. READ What / How the UN Plans to Take Over the Planet in A Global Pandemic http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2698 Source Material: http://ochaonline.un.org/OchaLinkClick.aspx?link=ocha&docId=1095473 www.spp-psp.gc.ca/eic/site/spp-psp.nsf/vwapj/pandemic-influenza.pdf/$FILE/pa ndemic-influenza.pdf _____ There is Definitely Something Funny About This Failed Swine Flu Pandemic. Let's start here: 1. A Must Watch 3 Minutes: The Bailout Ballad: "Obama Man Can!" http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=zhhkF3dqXR0 2. Another Must Watch 3 minutes: "The Swine Flu Song" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbt_PuVAVTU 3. The Pooh of Flu 4. At Last! The Real Story _____ Health Freedom Alert Pandemic Pushers Try Harder We do not have to tell you that the state of Pandemic Preparedness and Predictions has reached the stage of fall on the floor, gasping for breath, side splitting, laugh out loud funny. You noticed that the deaths in Mexico miraculously went from 168 to 16 with barely a MMD (Media of Mass Deception) murmur when confronted with either a monstrous con game or the biggest miracle in human history. You would think that this would have gotten some meaningful play, but no, the MMD folks trotted right along behind the Pandemic Hucksters and bleated out their illogical message without a murmur of dissent or discontent. You noticed that WHO changed the meaning of Pandemic from a 'disease transmitted from human to human with dire consequences' to 'an easily spread human to human transmission which does not have to cause a disease. You noticed that despite a really dismal performance which any self-respecting pandemic pusher would have been humiliated to focus on, the CDC, White House, WHO and others who stand to gain enormous control and money (like Donald Rumsfeld, of Tamiflu fame, perhaps?) from this opportune Pandemic (which kindly took our minds off the rape of the economy) the drumbeats of Pandemic to Come have continued to beat. Read more of this important article at: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2692 You noticed that for a disease which may have killed two people in the US, the White House now is "considering" ramping up additional vaccine manufacturing (read "profit") and mandating injection in the fall, when the vaccine is ready and the new, improved, really-truly, this-time-we-mean it Pandemic will be here, just in time for the vaccine! Read more of this important article at: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2692 Have you noticed that Baxter International, the company which supposedly "accidentally" contaminated 18 country's seasonal Flu shots with live, highly infective, and we believe, weaponized Avian Flu has been chosen to coordinate the development of the Swine Flu vaccine which you WILL be presented with this coming fall, according to the Obama Administration... Read more of this important article at: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2692 and say "NO!" to your legislators, your Governor and the President here: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27275 What???? 20-30% of the population would become infected IF this were a pandemic but it IS a pandemic anyway despite the fact that the infection rate is not different from a regular flu? Read more of this important article at: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2692 And you noticed that Big Pharma and its legislative branch, the US Government, is gearing up to shoot you up with a mandatory vaccination whether you want it or not. Say "Not only NO! but HELL NO!" here: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27275 Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Medical Director _______________________________________________ Legal Eagle Ralph Fucetola, JD Natural Solutions Foundation Counsel and Trustee Your Help Needed - Natural Solutions Foundation Under Attack: Cyber Attacks Launched to Destroy NSF As a trustee of the Foundation, and its Counsel, it is my responsibility to keep you, our supporters, informed about the bad news as well as the good news. We are in a war and Natural Solutions Foundation is a primary combatent on the side of health and health freedom. It makes sense, therefore, that we would be attacked. Well, that is certainly the case right now. These attacks threaten to destroy us, IF we let them. We won't, of course, but we need your help to survive these attacks and to come out stronger. We are betting that you will be there for us, the way we are always there for your health and health freedom. What I have to tell you now is bad news; information that could destroy our efforts -- not that Dr. Rima, General Bert, Kathy and I will ever give up. We are devoting our lives to this battle, so that's simply not an option. Rather, the financial reverses we've suffered, and the clear intent behind them to destroy us that way, have made us all the more determined to succeed. Here is what has been happening: 1. Donations to the Foundation, like donations to charitable organizations everywhere, are down by about 2/3 from our customary levels. This began way back in the election season when the presidential campaigns began to "suck up" every penny available on the internet for nonprofit activities. Dr. Ron Paul raised significant amounts of money from many people who were our supporter base. They told us that when the campaign was over, they would come back to us as on-going supporters. Then, when the economy was tanked by the global banksters, they could not, so they did not. The new president's campaign raised over a half billion dollars, an unprecedented amount. Just as we thought that donations would increase again to a point where we could meet our obligations from donations with the end of the election, the financial system collapsed, and the downward trend continued. Because of this cataclysmic financial downturn, Natural Solutions has missed the Codex meetings in South Africa, Calgary and Germany to which we needed to go. No money, no ticket. No ticket, no meaningful health freedom voice at Codex. QED 2. That donation decrease was somewhat offset by the growing success of the Natural Solutions Foundation Marketplace, www.NaturalSolutionsFoundationMarketPlace.org and our all-organic virtual store, www.Organics4U.org and other sales through the internet. 3. Apparently, since the Internet is such an important part of our funding, the forces that desperately do not want us to continue the work that we are doing literally engineered another type of pandemic... a mass cyber attack on our Marketplace and Organics4U, in which some automated system or "bot" attempts, sometimes ten thousand times each day, to "donate" a dollar to the cause, with fake credit cards. The credit card processing company that we are using, authorize.net, has failed to stop all these false card efforts, and charges us ten cents for each one... so far, nearly $3,000 has been taken from our account by authorize.net. We think that is very unfair. We pay them to protect us. And we even pay extra for a "Fraud Protection Suite" each month to prevent such occurrences. By the way, your credit card information is safe and has not been compromised in any way. Reasoning that the problem was their failure to protect us, their client, we asked authorize.net to reverse the $3K which we could ill afford to lose and which was taken from our bank account because of their lack of ability to do the job we were paying for, "donate" their charges to us, and receive a tax write-off. We tried persistently to contact people in the company who might have the vision to understand such an approach. However, the company prefers the money to the good publicity that would result from us telling all you that authorize.net is a public spirited (and fair-minded) company. They are not going to reverse the charges, did not accept the donation option and so we are working to find another merchant services company that will not be so easy to use to attack us. If you have a merchant account, you may want to make sure it isn't authorize.net, a company that does not understand and does not want to understand. Any company that is so dense and bureaucratized that it cannot understand the benefit of good publicity may not be a company that you want handling what you thought were your secure transactions. "Penny wise" and "pound foolish" is a common failing of some companies. Too bad for them. Too bad for us. 4. All of this has resulted in severe financial stress to the Foundation. Through your continuing support during these hard times, we are still able to pay for our Democracy-in-Action facility (a couple thousand $ per month) and our webmaster, but we have been unable to go to Washington or attend all the international meetings you need us to attend, to have the support we need and to make sure that we can continue to support both your health and your freedom. Codex needs us there to speak for health and freedom. What is presented over the Internet is not what actually happens there. We keep up with those agencies by Internet, but being there is far more important for us to defend Natural Solutions and help to keep clean, unadulterated food available. If you do not believe that, look what is happening to our food through the (sic) "Food Safety" bills before Congress - this is totally in line with the degredation and weaponization of our food through Codex which we have been writing about ever since the Natural Solutions Foundation was founded. 5. The absurd disinfomation attacks continue. Click here , http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/health/holistic_alternative_medicine /news.php?q=1230417784, to read our rebuttal to this idiocy. Why does this unsubstantiated pack of lies go on and on and on (one lunatic even suggesting that our GMO-free, Pesticide-free, toxin-free Valley of the Moon(TM) all-natural coffee is actually laced with mind control drugs, for pity's sake!!!!!)? For exactly the same reasons that these other attacks take place: because we are unique in defending health and health freedom in the global and effective way which we do, and because the other side does not like being interfered with. What Can We Do? We need your help. Is there an angel out there who can support us with about $10,000 per month? Or, connect us to a grant-giving institution or wealthy individual? Among the hundreds of thousand people who receive this email, we know there are such people. We need to be able to attend the meetings that you need us to attend and make sure that we can afford to keep our health freedoms alive. It is that simple. Secondly, we ask you to offset the cyber attack by doing for real what they are faking... donate a buck to keep us going! Better, sign up for a Dollar a Week donation... $4 a month... or more, if you can! If a enough of you will sign up at http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?page_id=189 these problems will be solved! That's it... counteract the cyber attacks with dollars. Then we can continue doing what we do... defending your health freedom AND your health. Yours in health and freedom, Ralph Fucetola JD Counsel and Trustee Natural Solutions Foundation _____ Dr. Rima Recommends Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director How to Survive a Cytokine Storm, Courtesy of the NWO http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2698 Just a quick clinical note: there has been a lot of talk about the idea that what kills people who die of a weaponized version of the flu (like either Avian Flu or Swine Flu) is the initial cytokine storm, not the virus itself. If the cytokine storm does not prove lethal, your body would have a chance to mount a formidable response to the virus and get rid of it (using fever as one tool of many, by the way). Click here (http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2698 ) to learn more about cytokine storms and to find some options which will support your immune system but calm a cytokine storm so that it is not likely to kill you. Hint: Nano silver, available at www.Nutronix.com/naturalsolutions is one of those substances because it kills the virus so fast the storm never has a chance to occur. So is high dose Vitamin C because it damps the reaction in favor of a much more balanced and effective one by supressing cytokines such as interleukin (IL)-6 and tumor necrosis factor alpha (TNF- alpha ). These mainstays of natural medicine are regarded as astonishingly powerful for a reason. Their ability to calm a cytokine storm is a large part of that reason. But there are other natural, safe and potentially life-saving tools you should know about which also help maintain and preserver health in the most natural way possible. _____ Rima Laibow Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Rima E. 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URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Fri May 15 15:33:26 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:33:26 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] "Don't Buy Any Food You've Ever Seen Advertised" Message-ID: <00ce01c9d5a4$cbad39d0$6307ad70$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:21 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] "Don't Buy Any Food You've Ever Seen Advertised" (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/14/omnivores_dilemma_author_michael_polla ns_new "Omnivore's Dilemma" Author Michael Pollan's New Advice on Buying Food: "Don't Buy Any Food You've Ever Seen Advertised" Defense-food-web2 Michael Pollan is one of the nation's leading writers and thinkers in this country on the issue of food. He is author of several books about food, including The Botany of Desire, The Omnivore's Dilemma and his latest, In Defense of Food: An Eater's Manifesto. In light of what he calls the processed food industry's co-option of "sustainability" and its vast spending on marketing, Pollan advises to be wary of any food that's advertised. [includes rush transcript] Guest: Michael Pollan, author of In Defense of Food: An Eater's Manifesto and The Omnivore's Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals. He is a contributing writer to the New York Times Magazine and is a Knight Professor of Journalism at UC Berkeley. AMY GOODMAN: Energy, healthcare, agriculture, climate change, global outbreaks like swine flu-what do all these topics have in common? Food. That's right, none of these issues can really be tackled without addressing some of the fundamental problems of the food system and the American diet. Well, my next guest is one of the leading writers and thinkers in this country on food. Michael Pollan is a professor of science and environmental journalism at University of California, Berkeley, author of several books about food, including The Botany of Desire, The Omnivore's Dilemma and his latest, In Defense of Food: An Eater's Manifesto, which just came out in paperback. Michael Pollan joins me now in our firehouse studio for the rest of the hour. Welcome to Democracy Now! MICHAEL POLLAN: Thank you, Amy. AMY GOODMAN: Well, it's good to have you with us. Let's start with, well, the latest news over the last month, swine flu. How is that connected to industrialized agriculture? MICHAEL POLLAN: Well, we don't know for sure yet. We're still kind of investigating. But the best knowledge we have is that this outbreak came from a very large industrial pork operation, pork confinement operation, where, you know, tens of thousands of pigs live in filth and close contact. And this was in Mexico. And, you know, it's very interesting. Last year, eighteen months ago, the Pew Commission on animal agriculture released a report calling attention to the public health risks of the way we're raising pork and other meat in this country. And they actually predicted in that report-they said the way you're raising pigs in America today creates a perfect environment for the generation of new flu pandemics, basically because once you get that mutation, which sooner or later is about to happen, it very quickly-you have so many different-so much genetic material coming together, so concentrated, and then so many pigs can catch it, and that this is a-you know, we've created these Petri dishes for new diseases. And here we go. AMY GOODMAN: And what has been the industry response? MICHAEL POLLAN: Oh, the industry response and the media response, by and large, is not to pay attention to that part of the story. We haven't gotten a lot of investigation of, well, exactly how do these things evolve and how did these conditions contribute to it. The other angle, too, is that, you know, as we bring any pressure to bear on American animal agriculture, the tendency is going to be for it to move to Mexico. And indeed, that appears to be the case here, that these are American corporations who have to escape any kind of environmental regulation, have moved their confinement, animal operations, south of the border. AMY GOODMAN: Explain how these animal operations work. MICHAEL POLLAN: Well, a pig confinement operation is a pretty hellish place. They are, you know, tens of thousands of animals, kept jammed together. The animals are so close together that they have to snip their tails off, because the animals are so neurotic-I mean, pigs are very intelligent; they're smarter than dogs-that they will nip at each other's tails. They've been weaned so early that they have this sucking desire, and so they take it out on the tails of the animal right in front of them. So they snip the tails off, not to stop the procedure, but to make it so painful that animals will avoid having their tails bitten, just to make them raw and painful. They administer antibiotics to these animals on a regular basis, because they could not survive without them. And the waste goes down directly below the animals into this giant cesspool that's flushed, two or three times a day, out. I mean, they're just-you know, they're incubators for disease. The sows remain in crates their whole lives, so they can be conveniently inseminated, and they have their babies right there in their crates. You know, to go to one of these places is to stop eating industrial pork, basically. I mean, if we could see into this industrial meat production, it would change the way most of us eat. AMY GOODMAN: It's amazing, because the whole coverage, it seems, of swine flu is to be afraid of human beings coming over the border, that they are the main problem. MICHAEL POLLAN: Yeah, that they're carrying it, yeah, yeah. No, it's not-we don't-it is not contracted by eating the pork. That doesn't, you know, seem to be a problem. And some countries have taken that tact, used this to keep out American pork. But that link hasn't been made. AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about corporations in other ways, like Monsanto, talking about the sustainability of genetically modified foods? MICHAEL POLLAN: Yeah, Monsanto is very much on the attack right now, pushing its products, particularly in Africa, and making the case that the most sustainable agriculture will be intensive production on the land base we have. The argument is that there's only so much arable land in the world, we have ten billion people on the way, and that the only way to feed them is to get more productivity over the land we have, to further intensify agriculture, using their genetically modified seeds. And the word "sustainable" is never far from their lips. And they have this amazing ad campaign. Two things are notable about it. One is that the language of sustainability and the critique of industrial food is being picked up by some of the major players within industrial food, either as an effort to co-opt the rhetoric or simply confuse the consumer and the citizen. The other thing is that it's very interesting that Monsanto should be arguing that it has the key to improving productivity. If indeed what we need to do is improve productivity, don't look at genetically modified crops. They have never succeeded in raising productivity. That's not what they do. If you look at the-the Union of Concerned Scientists just issued a report looking at the twenty-year history of these crops, and what they have found is that basically the real gains in yield for American crops, for world crops, has been through conventional breeding. Genetic modification has-with one tiny exception, Bt corn used in years of very high infestation of European corn borers-has not increased productivity at all. That's not what they're good at. What they're good at is creating products that allow farmers to expand their monocultures, because it takes less management. So, if indeed we need to go where Monsanto says, there are better technologies than theirs. AMY GOODMAN: What about companies boasting that they use real sugar, like that's a health claim. MICHAEL POLLAN: Well, you know, it's very interesting. Since this book came out, where I argue don't buy high-fructose corn syrup and don't buy products with more than five ingredients, suddenly the industry is-you know, they're so clever. I just-I have to hand it to them. But now they're arguing that their products are simpler, and there's new Haagen-Dazs 5, which is a five-ingredient Haagen-Dazs product. You know, it's still ice cream. Ice cream is wonderful, but we shouldn't treat it as health food because it now has only five ingredients. Frito-Lay is- AMY GOODMAN: You've had a big effect. MICHAEL POLLAN: Well, but I don't know if it's for the better. I mean, I think- AMY GOODMAN: Frito-Lay? MICHAEL POLLAN: Frito-Lay potato chips now is arguing that they're local. Now, you have to remember, any product is local somewhere. Right? This food doesn't come from Mars. But to think that Frito-Lay as a local potato chip is really a stretch. So-and on the high-fructose corn syrup thing, now that you've got Snapple and soon-to-be Coca-Cola making a virtue of the fact that they contain real sugar, no high-fructose corn syrup, what that is is an implicit health claim for sugar. And that is an incredible achievement on the part of industry, to convince us that getting off of high-fructose corn syrup has made their products healthier. It has done no such thing. Biologically, there's no difference between high-fructose corn syrup and sugar. AMY GOODMAN: Well, explain why you were going after high-fructose corn syrup. MICHAEL POLLAN: Well, my argument about high-fructose corn syrup and why you should avoid it is it is a marker of a highly processed food. I'm just trying to help people, when they're going through the supermarket-the main thing you want to avoid is processing, you know, extreme processing. And high-fructose corn syrup-I mean, think about it. Do you know anyone who cooks with high-fructose corn syrup? It's not a home-it's not an ingredient you'll find in a home pantry. It's a tool of food science. My problem with it is its ubiquity through the food system. You have high-fructose corn syrup showing up where sugar has never been-in bread, in pickles, in mayonnaise, in relish, in all these products-that they basically have found that if you sweeten anything, we will buy more of it. High-fructose corn syrup is a very convenient, cheap ingredient, because we subsidize the corn from which it's made. But to boast about your product not having high-fructose corn syrup as being some kind of virtue is really stretching it. And I think what we see here is another example of the food industry's ingenuity in taking any critique of industrial food and turning it into the next marketing strategy. It's a lot like the low-fat campaign, you know, which began as a government critique of food, you know, beginning with George McGovern in the '70s saying we should eat less red meat because of heart disease. Whatever you think of the science of that, which turns out not to have been that good, it was a well-meaning campaign to improve the American diet. Industry came back and re-engineered the whole food system to have less fat in it and no fat in it. And that campaign sold a lot more food. And, in fact, since that campaign, we've been eating about 300 more calories a day, and we're a lot fatter. So, you can't-you just can't underestimate their ability turn any critique into a way to sell food. So, I've had to update my rules. And with all this new marketing based on these ideas, my new suggestion is, if you want to avoid all this, simply don't buy any food you've ever seen advertised. Ninety-four percent of ad budgets for food go to processed food. I mean, the broccoli growers don't have money for ad budgets. So the real food is not being advertised. And that's really all you need to know. AMY GOODMAN: Michael Pollan, the Food and Drug Administration is slapping General Mills with a warning over its claim that Cheerios- MICHAEL POLLAN: Lowers cholesterol. AMY GOODMAN: -is clinically proven to help lower cholesterol. They say it makes it a drug under federal law. MICHAEL POLLAN: Yeah. Well, good for them. I mean, you know, the FDA has been so lax, and the reason you see this proliferation of bogus health claims all through the supermarket has basically been the FDA has been hands-off for a decade. And to see them tighten a little bit and make these companies prove these health claims- You know, another piece of advice from In Defense of Food is, don't eat any food that comes with a health claim. It sounds counterintuitive, but if you're worried about your health, that is not the healthy food. The healthy food is in the produce section. It's sitting there very quietly, without budgets to do this research, without budgets for marketing, without packages to print health claims on. So just kind of tune that out. AMY GOODMAN: What do you make of the new Agricultural Secretary, Tom Vilsack? MICHAEL POLLAN: Well, it's interesting. When Vilsack was appointed, I was disappointed initially. And I said something like, this was agribusiness as usual. He has surprised me in various ways, and I have some reason, cautious, for hope. I think he has a mandate from President Obama to begin reforming things. He has appointed as his number two-the woman running the Department of Agriculture, Kathleen Merrigan, is a proven reformer. She developed the organic program in the department and as a staffer to Senator Leahy back in the '90s. And she is really committed to sustainable agriculture. This woman will be running the Department of Agriculture. I think that's wonderful. We'll see what she can do. She's up against an incredible amount of opposition. He made an initial move to go after subsidies that was not very well handled and was rebuffed very easily by the agriculture committees in the House and Senate. He, I think, will do a lot to support local agriculture. He's very committed to farmers' markets and developing these local food chains, and I think that's very encouraging. But he has a mission to make "nutrition" the watchword of the nutrition programs in the Department of Agriculture: School Lunch, Food Stamps, WIC. Now, that sounds kind of "duh," but, in fact, those programs have nothing to do with nutrition right now. They're essentially ways to dispose of agricultural surpluses. So if they actually raise the nutrition standards and make that the focus- AMY GOODMAN: What do you mean, they're the way to- MICHAEL POLLAN: Well, the reason we have a School Lunch Program, you know, it began as an effort really to get rid of this incredible overproduction of American agriculture. I mean, we're using our children as a disposal for excess, you know, cheap ground beef and cheese and all these corn products, and that the-you know, under the School Lunch Program, we feed our kids chicken nuggets and tater tots in school. We're using the School Lunch Program to teach them how to become fast-food consumers. So, it's not about health, and it needs to be about health. So, if he can move that program in that direction, I think that will be wonderful. AMY GOODMAN: Michelle Obama's organic garden, that the pesticide industry had in a memo that they shuddered when they heard her use the word? MICHAEL POLLAN: Yes. You know, I think her garden is actually a significant development. I mean, you can dismiss it as symbolic politics, but in fact symbols are important. And the word "organic" are fighting words in this-is a fighting word in this world. And she did not have to say it was an organic garden; she could have simply said it's a garden. And that she did was noticed. And the Crop Life Association, the trade group of the pesticide makers, wrote her a letter, being as cordial as you must be to a First Lady, saying, you know, "You're really casting aspersions on industrial agriculture, and we really hope you will use our crop protection products." In other words, "Buy our poisons, whether you need them or not." AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Michael Pollan. His latest book, now out in paperback, In Defense of Food: An Eater's Manifesto. Your words of wisdom? Your food for thought? Eat food, not too much, mostly plants? MICHAEL POLLAN: Yeah, it's very simple. It really is. I mean, you know, as a journalist, you know this, that usually when you drill down into a subject, you find things are more complicated than you thought, and the blacks and whites don't quite work anymore. When it came to nutrition science, the deeper I went, the simpler it got. And by the time I had spent two years studying what we know about nutrition and health, I realized that, you know, all the-that you could dismiss so much of this sketchy science, and as long as you ate real food, and not too much of it, and emphasized plants more than meat in your diet, you would be fine, and that the over-complication of food by industry, by government, is something really to be avoided. And so, the challenge is, though, how do you identify food? Because now the market is full of these edible food-like substances, the ones that carry the health claims, the- AMY GOODMAN: What do you mean, "edible food-like substances"? MICHAEL POLLAN: Well, these are products of food science. These are the stuff in the middle of the supermarket, the stuff that doesn't go bad for a year, deathless food, immortal food. You have to think, well, what does it mean to say a food has got a shelf life of six months or a year? It means it has been engineered to resist bacteria, pests of all kinds, fungi, mold. And what does that mean? Well, it has no nutritional value for those things. The insects, the bacteria, they're not interested in the Twinkie, because there's nothing of nutritional value in it. AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about how the food system affects healthcare and the whole issue of healthcare reform? MICHAEL POLLAN: Well, I think that we are soon to recognize that we are not going to be able to reform healthcare, which depends on getting the cost of healthcare down, without addressing the American diet, the catastrophe of the American diet. The CDC, Centers for Disease Control, estimates that of the $2 trillion we're spending on healthcare in this country, $1.5 trillion is for the treatment of preventable chronic disease. Now, that's not all food, because you have smoking in there, too, and alcoholism. But the bulk of it is food. Food is implicated in heart disease, which we spend, you know, billions and billions on. It's implicated in type 2 diabetes. It's implicated in about 40 percent of cancers. It's implicated in stroke, all sorts of cardiovascular problems. And, you know, in a sense, the healthcare crisis is a euphemism for the food crisis, I mean, that they are identical. And I do think that President Obama recognizes this. And I think that you will see programs to address this, because that is how you could-you know, a better School Lunch Program would be a down payment on the healthcare reform, because you would reduce long-term the costs of the system. Treating a case of type 2 diabetes costs the City of New York, every new case, $500,000. It is bankrupting the system. And it's preventable. AMY GOODMAN: How is it treated? MICHAEL POLLAN: Well, type 2 diabetes is, once you contract it, it's $13,000 a year in additional medical costs. It takes something like ten years off of your life span. It means an 80 percent chance of heart disease in your life, a possibility of amputation and blindness, you know, being tethered to machines and drugs your whole life. It's a very serious sentence, and it's entirely preventable with a change in lifestyle. The interesting thing is, why don't we have really powerful public interest ad campaigns to inform people about this? I mean, the way the government could save the most money the most easily would be having a public advertising campaign about the dangers of soda. There are a great many children that, simply by getting off soda, avert this whole course. AMY GOODMAN: What do you think of taxing soft drinks, that they're talking about now? MICHAEL POLLAN: You know, I'm not sure, frankly. I haven't really thought that through. It's probably not a bad idea. I think that the cheapness of high-fructose corn syrup and sugars in our economy is part of the problem and that when we started subsidizing-I guess I would attack it on the other side. We should not be making these corn-based products so cheap with our tax dollars. I think we have to change the subsidies. The reason that soda is so cheap is that we subsidize corn in huge amounts, and I think we have to change the incentives down on the farm. I think that's really where I would put my emphasis. AMY GOODMAN: What about large corporations buying up the farmland of poorer countries? MICHAEL POLLAN: Well, this is going on. There is a growing recognition that the great unrenewable resource is arable soil in this world and that countries like China realize that they will not be able to feed their population on their soil base, because of their numbers, but also because they poison so much of their soil. Their soil is polluted, and they have a serious problem with that. So they are buying up huge swaths of land in Africa. This is a political disaster, you know, waiting to happen. I mean, Africans, you know, are going to stand by while their best farmland is being used to feed Chinese? I mean, I don't see this as a sustainable solution for anybody. But this is what's happening. And we should take note and realize that our farmland is so precious, and we should be very careful about developing it, and we should certainly be careful about letting it run off into the Mississippi River because we're failing to put in cover crops and things like that. AMY GOODMAN: We just have twenty seconds left, but you wrote a long letter to President Obama, to the "Farmer-in-Chief," as you put it. What's the most salient point in it? MICHAEL POLLAN: The most salient point is simply, you are not going to be able to tackle either the healthcare crisis or climate change unless you look at our food system. In the case of climate change, food is responsible for about a third of greenhouse gases, the way we're growing food, the way we're processing it and the way we're eating. And the healthcare crisis, as I've talked about. So we need to address it. It's really the shadow issue over these other two issues. AMY GOODMAN: Michael Pollan, I want to thank you for being with us. His latest book, In Defense of Food: An Eater's Manifesto, it's just come out in paperback. Also his book, The Omnivore's Dilemma and The Botany of Desire. From mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com Sat May 16 01:54:37 2009 From: mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com (Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 13:24:37 +0530 (IST) Subject: [GJM] Ecologically Safe India Message-ID: <718331.21030.qm@web94915.mail.in2.yahoo.com> ? Nuclear Debate: STABILISING ECONOMY, SECURING ECOLOGICALLY SUSTAINABLE ENERGY FOR INDIA /CHILDREN OF 40th CENTURY Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam ? This is 21st of July 2008, a critical date in the history of India. Confidence motion is being discussed in the parliament. Leader of Opposition expressed his views. The debate is going on the in the parliament of the country.. All of country is watching it there are more than 10 private channels telecasting live. Somnath Chatterjee is appealing to the members of the parliament for peace and calm. The session has been called after the withdrawal of support by the ?atheistic?[1] communist parties. I have taken this opportunity to record the content of debate with my observations on the arguments as part of Mission for Ecologically Safe India, a programme of National Forum of Muslim Organisations founded by a group of organisations in India including Labour League Foundation, Sufi Trust, Grassroots India Trust, Sewa, Delhi and several others . Opposition charges include not having debating the deal and draft with the parliament as the nuclear deal had substantial implications for the future of the country. Manmohan Singh went to IAEA without taking the parliament in confidence. Mohammad Saleem, in his aggressive and passionate speech questioned the position of the Congress in taking the country to a direction that should not have been taken, and this regard pointed out that Congress has a history of leading the struggles of the downtrodden nationally and internationally, but it appeared to be giving up on that as its policies were leading millions to misery. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting poorer ?Ameeraun ko aur ameer aur garaibaun ko aur ghareeb banaya ja raha hai?.? He emphasised that the government has not adhered to the common minimum programme. Concerns of the left on Disinvestment and Inflation have not been taken of. He further recalled the history as the nation was commemorating 250 years of the battle of Plassey fought in the year 1757 after commemorating the heroic struggle of Indians across the religions and caste lines against the British in 1857.? He called for safeguarding the foreign policy, as giving in to the US policy preference will render India to the slavery of 600 years. Therefore he called for safeguarding the interests of the country. He recited a very important Urdu couplet used by all who have convictions for the struggle in the cause of independence: ? ?Bagiyaun me jab talak boo rahegi imaan ki, Takht-e-London tak chalegi teg Hindustaan ki? (So long the rebels have an iota of conviction in the righteousness, sword of India will move up to London) ? He pointed out that there was no question of accelerating the pace of deal without taking the house in confidence. He questioned the enlightened self interest citied by the prime minister and noted that it is not the light seen from the huts of the poor but was that of US that was being shown. ? What is being talked about enlightened self interest? ?Why we are being compelled to see our self interest through the eyes of US?. Left is convinced about the foreign policy implications if the deal goes through. ? He recalled six basic principles of governance for pointing out the deviations with reference to nuclear deal as the same was not part of the common minimum programme. preserve protecting the lives and prevent all the fundamentalist forces to ensure that economy grows 7-8 interest so that each family of each to enhance the wellbeing of farmers, workers particularly those in the unorganised sector To fully empower women To provide equality in opportunity. to unleash the creative energy of our engineers ? He further pointed out that left supported on a common minimum programme. The house is not bound by the programmes that were not agreed. He noted that the nation is not bound by the common minimum programme. He noted that for the government CMP is not important and an uncommon optimum programme is important. ? Government should go for dope testing on the accelerated speed for the deal.. He wondered why the government did not hurry up on the measures for implementation of the recommendations of the Sachar Committee and finding of the report of the Sri Krishna Commission. ? On the pace of signing deals, he further took on the government for not having signed the deal for foreign direct investment in retail .Individual deals were struck for FDI in retails and not in bundles as that was what suggested by the left. Even the draft of 123 agreements was not shared. National Security Advisor told nation after the agreement was finalised. He referred to the scientists at the BARC who opposed the deal. He cited the findings of the International Energy Outlook where contribution of nuclear energy to the world energy sources was shown to be declining the world over. ?Only 9.6% in the year 2005 and it will reduce to 7.8% in 2030. ? He wanted that the government should have explained the cost benefit projections rather than hurrying up the deal and become part of the US grand strategic designs. He pointed out that the nuclear power is not sustainable as gas is cheaper and coal will be cheaper. He further noted that there are greener technologies that can be developed and ought to e development. ? He further emphasized that India needs leaders looking after interests of people of India not the dealers- ?Leaders are needed not the dealers? ? Pranab Mukherjee defended the government and asserted that Government is not yet a minority. He noted that the several meetings were held for keeping the processes transparent. Hyde agreement is there on the website along with the 123 agreement. He noted the achievement of the government in terms of GDP growth over the last 4 years with 4.5 % growth in agriculture and 9 % increase in Gross Domestic Product. He noted that all the concerns of the Left has been taken into consideration and ensured that the prescriptive provisions of Hyde Act will not be there. ? Pranab Mukherjee, leader of the house recalled that a decision was taken for establishing a political mechanism and that was established to address the left concerns of the Hyde Act. He referred to the meetings where it was the agreed that a committee will draft a text and the text was drafted with along with left leaders (who were not named). He distinguished that the committee on the formation of the text was a political mechanism and not the not the one appointed by the Prime Minister or by the honourable speaker of the house. He pointed out that it was a political mechanism created by UPA chairperson so there was no question of betrayal and adopting secrecy. He informed that 9 meetings were held and it was only in November 2007 that some problems arose. He also pointed out that IAEA is an organisation that has been founded by India and it is not IAEA that is going to approve uninterrupted supply. He noted the fact the agreement was India specific considering the specific energy needs. ? He also referred to the word confidential means differently to differently it was referred as restricted, classified in different contexts and pointed out that the text of the agreement was on the website as the same had been sent to IAEA for further action. ? He referred to the constitutional provisions required for getting all the agreements ratified by the parliament. He pointed out NDA government could have done that as the commission to look into the constitution had been set by in 1990. He questioned why this was not pointed out since 26 January 1990 till today. Why not Advani did asked the Commission to create a provision for the ratification by the parliament. He noted the example of WTO agreement that was signed without ratification from the parliament. ? He noted that India145000 MW is current total capacity. Power is needed for everybody .According to the projection for 2030 just 23 years from now energy deficit would be 150000 MW. By 2050, this deficit would be 412000 MW. He noted that these figures are considering the energy from all source including coal, petrol, diesel and non conventional energy. He further pointed out that if we initiate the action now we will be reducing the deficit only by 40000 MW from 2012 to 2020. We will have to reduce the deficit to the tune of 450000 MW. ? We will have the ensure addressing 150000 MW reduction in deficit. He noted the example of France where energy security was planned immediately after World War and that is the reason it enjoyed 79% of the energy from nuclear energy. ? ?What happened in France? After devastation of 2nd World War Charles De Gaulle envisioned the energy needs for the future generation in France.. He envisioned nuclear energy and started work in 1948. De Gaulle did not continue for long time but by 1974 France succeeded in getting nuclear energy. Now, 79 % of the energy is coming from nuclear source?. ? He further pointed that countries such as US and Russia are not yet working on this as they have enough reserves of conventional sources of energy. ? ?Why US and Russia is not going for nuclear energy because they are floating on oil? ? He further explained that India did not have the privilege of enough oil reserves. For us however it is different ?our primary energy source is much less in our country. We will have to import vast quantities of coal. Hydel programme will be resisted. Uttrakashi resistance has blocked the hydel projects?. Also, he pointed out that quality of uranium produced indigenously was not a good quality. ? ?..All of us are aware of the uranium mining in Meghalaya and Jadugoda are the only sources and the quality of the uranium is not good and adequate?. ? Therefore he appreciated the visionary step of the Prime Minister towards contributing in making the country energy secure through following the visions of scientists ?PM has taken a visionary programme. Homi Bhabha, Sethna, Raja Ramanna believed that out scientists and engineers can do the miracle.? He noted this cooperation will open the door of 30 years isolation from nuclear energy and called for not making the mistake of 1947. ? UPA has taken up an all round development strategy. Achievements of Bharat Nirman programme, the brain child of the prime minister was described with all the achievements in the implementation of the various programmes. 5948 km roads completed. Against the 120 contracts, 246 contracts have been awarded for completion of the work .TR Balu narrated achievements on the infrastructure. Laloo jee kept on prompting him to mention achievements for minorities under Sachar Committee report. ? ?An opposition leader pointed out that despite all the achievements, 80% of the village does not have electricity. Millons earn only Rs.12 per day .30% below poverty line .70% of the people live in the village. 50 % of the village does not have electricity distribution systems. ? We need to see the long term interest of the country and its children say the children of India in 40th century .Why do we need to support the government on the nuclear deal and why we must not permit Mayawati to be become the prime minister she had supported Narendra Modi who presided over the destruction of lives and properties of the minorities in Gujarat. She has not apologised. She is a rank opportunist and now the atheistic communists have compromised their position by aligning with her .She is the same Mayawati who had been condemned by the left for aligning with BJP in Gujarat. ? Maya is woman who has cheated Dalits by abandoning Ambedkar who called for radical transformation of the personal identity for Dalits. It is interesting that she has stopped calling upon the writings of Manu got the support of Brahmins led by Satish Chandra Mishra. She has presided over the process of self aggrandisement that would not be forgiven by Dalit ideologues who wish to chart an iconoclastic future for Dalits. She wouldn?t oppose her worship even by Scheduled castes looking for role models and seeking a life of dignity. We cannot support such self aggrandisements while there are millions of Dalits who are forced in usurious debt traps. She in undoing the dream of all those Dalit leaders and others who seek non-ostensible pious leadership for themselves and country. ? ? Opposition of Congress has not been useful till now as the parties opposing the congress has not provided complete solutions for the problems .They have not addressed the issues and just wish to be in control of the affairs without addressing the issues of corruption comprehensively as they do not have the solutions and they along with others even after recognising the problems do not wish to address the root cause that lies in absence of social boycott of men and women, tolerance of black money by the politicians, delay in persecution of officials involved in corruption, absence of concern of the temple leaders and religious ? Deal is important for cities and the energy needs it is important for securing energy security .France has been using nuclear energy. China has no problems with India getting nuclear energy. UPA government is aware of the high energy needs. Nuclear energy is carbon neutral. Climate Action plan released recently has been cognisant of the all the alternatives. Alit Singh?s suggestion for getting ethanol and constructing pipeline with Iran is laudable but then he also does not a plan for reduction of emissions and transforming energy use patterns in the urban areas with glitzy advertising consuming energy that could be used for essential needs. He does not a vision for preparing for the end of petro-modern times. ? The government has unveiled climate policy that has been supported by the chairman of IPCC. UPA government has followed the model of inclusive growth and its 15 points programme is the best articulation for making the nation stronger with concrete measures for all the social groups. ? Prabhunath Singh of JD U pointed out that US has been supporting terrorism. US can?t be trusted as they are responsible for killing Saddam Hussain. US can?t be a friend. United States has been concerned about the terrorism only because they have been attacked. ? Comrade A B Bardhan, Mohammad Saleem and Gurdas Gupta rightly suggested the need to revalidate the Essential Commodities Act that was used to control the prices. Revalidating the essential commodities act could be anti-farmer as well as the controlled prices did not always reflects the costs involved in agriculture. The government is addressing the concerns but, it has to be a basket of measures including support to ecologically sustainable agriculture with protection measures for reducing the cost of agriculture. The formula of the Left for controlling the inflation needs to accompany by measures for eliminating ecologically hostile finance system that is fuelling the expansion of environmentally unsustainable habitats. Inflation is a result of too much demand generated by lots of money created out of thin air created by the ecologically hostile banks that are competing to get more and more business for themselves. US is interested in the deal for its own economic interests and then for pursuing a racist policy on nuclear weapons and nuclear energy. ? On 22nd July, Mr. P Chidambram started referring to the six principles of the CMP and argued how the principles have been adhered by citing the achievements of the government. He cited growth figures in the year 2007-08 growth is close to 9.1%. He made a special reference to watershed growth in agriculture. He noted the farsighted vision of UPA led government for restoring the water bodies through forming a special mission for the same. Capital formation increased to 12.5%. 50000 crores worth of proposals have been sanctioned. He challenged anyone to point out if there were any point of common principles that were not adhered. ? To enhance the income of farmers and poor he informed about the loans waivers and procurement prices while recognising that the farmers had to restore to suicides due to several problems. He however informed that government had extended farm credit to the tune of 250000 crore while 280 000 crore is the target for the year. NREGA scheme has covered 597 districts. Old age pension increased to Rs.200 and for unorganised workers a bill is being debated. After describing the achievements of the government in the various fields he reflected on the current debate was with reference to deal signed with US. He called that agreements in this regard has been already signed with Russia and France. He called for the agreement with IAEA and waiver from NSG as India had not signed Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty and Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty and this had been necessitated due an act US adopted in 1954. It was Nuclear Energy Act. Section I of the Hyde Act permits the president to cancel the agreement. 123 agreements have been signed after Hyde Act. He said that we are not concerned with the decision of the US president in this regard as the 123 agreement has been signed after 6 months. He noted that India has gained from the agreement and it has noted by US analysts as well. Many US analysts said that a lot was being conceded to India without any binding commitments on non-proliferation and test ban. ? He cited the Geneva Conventions where it is noted that as and when there is a dispute between the international treaties and the domestic law, treaties will prevail over the domestic law. Therefore, he emphasised that Hyde Act is a law that would not influence the 123 agreement between India and US. According to the Vienna conventions, domestic law will not prevail in case there are dispute between the provisions of law and the treaties. It ensured that all treaties will be the supreme law. He meant to say that provisions of the Hyde Act would not work in case there was conflict with the provisions of the 123 agreement. Further he pointed out that Left were not opposed to separation plan. He referred to the text that was made available on the site. He could not understand the oppositions of NDA as Government of Vajpayee accepted moratorium. India is prepared. CTBT is not delayed beyond December 2009. Discussions had taken place. ? ?He noted that some people do not want to see India to compete with China. He cited comparative figures with reference to China and urged for higher and higher growth. ? ?I want India to become an economic superpower. We must aspire for heights. We must grow. We must produce more and grow more? ? He found Left parties and BJP voting together on the issue of issue of deal to be bizarre as NDA was neither opposed to the nuclear nor did they oppose to strategic relationship with US. ? ?BJP and NDA agree that we need nuclear energy. NDA has no problems with strategic relationship with US. NDA believed India to be nuclear power. Left is saying it will do whatever it can to scuttle the deal while NDA says it will renegotiate the deal .If we have seen anything bizarre than the two groups voting together. Out there are millions of young boys and girls watching? Rajiv Gandhi made India stronger? ? He appealed the house to consider the leadership of Manmohan Singh and help the country grow. ? Mr. Vijay Kumar Malhotra, senior leader of BJP referred to the statistic of the UPA leaders and the elections lost by Congress in the states. The statistics become white lie. Four years of the government of the Congress, he alleged that PMO office has become a place of horse trading. He noted that the MPs who have been convicted are voting for confidence. He wondered whether the prime minister could be. Vijay Malhotra objected to the presence of convicted MPs. ?But he forgot that his party is led by a man who is charge sheeted in the case of demolition of Babri Masjid in Ayodhya. ?He was referring to the abuse of CBI. ? US contractors will get jobs and they will be benefited. CTBT and NPT will get signed. Not atomic energy plant is being installed. We have thorium reserve more that 50%. Australia has the largest reserve why they are not using the reserve. Northeast has 150 lakh MT capacity. We can explore that. Poor are getting poorer. PM has assured many times about the need to control the prices. He called for not raising the prices. Mrs.Sonia Gandhi was worried about the price rise. Consumer Price Index has increased. ? Japan had 8% inflation rate, Germany and all non-producing countries have controlled prices. He noted that someone has suggested that the number of Billionaires in India have increased. He cited Mani Shankar Ayer who had pointed out that the growth is not reaching the poor. Only 3% is reaching the poor. ? Course Correction has not been taken. FII has withdrawing. MK Narayan has advised elimination of ISI. POTA has been repealed as that was the only law for containing terrorist activities. The day 400 crore subsidy is given. We are giving subsidy. Shrine Board was given 100 acre and the same was taken away. Former Prime Minister went to a Gurudwara that has been font of the Khalistani movement. He questioned whether it is it is a virtuous to get behind the US. ? Rahul Gandhi referred to a simple conclusion. He decided that he would not speak as a member of the political party but as an Indian. I also decided because you are also an Indian. ?You do speak as an Indian. I would take a step; I decided to make a central assumption. All speak in the interest of nation. Why we are meeting today. Why we are meeting. We are meeting because there is the issue of energy security. Poverty is directed to energy security. Three years ago, he went to Vidarbha and referred to his conversation with Sashikala. He referred to her conversation with Shashikala, whose husband committed suicide three years ago. For resolving her problems she dug a pond, diversified cropping pattern. ? Rahul Gandhi noted that Sh. Vajpayee also worked for the solution. He stated about the energy security. He noted that senior leader have also pointed out that a balance portfolio of energy is required. The magic of what Sh. Manmohan Singh has done is the opportunity two countries are going to use how energy moves. Instead of looking at the energy as a problem, we start looking energy as an industry. Energy has destroyed nations and built nation. UK grew because they controlled coal. US grew because it controlled oil. He called for halting the worry about being impacted by the world and called for thinking on how we can impact the world. ? ?Let us stop worrying how we will be impacted by the world. Let us start worrying how we will impact the world?. ? He noted the achievements of the technology missions that were possible with visionary leadership of Late Shree Rajiv Gandhi. ? ?We developed the IT and telecomm industry. Very few believed that India would be able to play a role globally. We all see the impact of computer. We see the revolutionary impact of IT and its impact on the employment and technology generation in the country?. ? Referring to the current situation he noted that we were in the similar position. He called for looking at the big picture on energy and pointed out that we have problems because we are dependant on hydrocarbons. He called for liberation from dependence on the hydrocarbons for energy and found nuclear energy to be the one ensuring independence from hydrocarbons. ? ?If we look at the big picture then we know that the current problems have been caused by the hydrocarbons. We can?t be dependant on the hydrocarbons. We must not underestimate the connection between the energy and poverty?. ? The difference between the powerful country and the other weak is that a powerful country thinks about the way they are having an impact on the world. He underlined the fact that it is the weak nations who worry about the way they are being impacted by the world. He noted that he spoke as an Indian and called for thinking as Indians who will influence the course of the nations: ? ?We stop being scared about how the world will impact. We sit in this room together and solve our problems. I am proud of the fact that everyone can be heard. We must act with courage and conviction. 70% of this country is young. This country is brimming with confidence. We have to have confidence. Act with confidence and courage?. ? He supported the Prime Minister for showing the confidence and courage. ? Mr. Arun Kumar recalled that deal would be carried on only after the trust vote. He asked the straight questions: ? Whether government is committing to permanent moratorium on all tests Homi Bhabha called for thorium based reactor. Why we are going with uranium based reactor for which we will always remain dependant? Whether India is going to be treated as a non-nuclear state? ? He called upon the Prime Minister to stay true to the oath for upholding the sovereignty of India. Talking about energy security he pointed out that this is going to cost a lot for nation. ? ?We all know that energy will cost 8 lakh crores of rupees and this deal will contribute in the price rice? ? He observed that UPA was leading to another price rise and quoted from P Chidambram about the inflation and said that inflation is the worst form of taxation. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting poorer as the poor are getting squeezed. He requested all to vote with conscience. ? Lalu Prasad Yadav referred to the way left who are in depression. He referred to the discussions that were held on drafts. Referring to the independent foreign policy, he took a swipe on the position of the BJP government that had agreed to send Indian troops in Iraq for pleasing the Americans. He referred to Lathi rally that was held in Patna for opposing the decision of Vajpayee government to send Indian army in Iraq. He pointed this out to underline the fact that UPA was not selling out to any nation and it was only concerned about the energy security. He expressed the resolve we are one to keep the independence of the foreign policy. Explaining the rationale for agreements with US and IAEA, he referred to hydel projects in Uttrakhand that could not be started due to resistance. ? Around 4.30 p.m. the whole parliament came to a standstill as some BJP members Phaggan Singh Kulaste, Ashok Argal, Mahabeer Bhagora flashed wads of currency notes in the parliament. They alleged that Ahmad Patel sent them the money voting in favour of government. ? Leaders condemned the alleged bribing. Ms. Mayawati condemned the bribing. She called for resignation of the Manmohan Singh. Convergence was observed by the political analysts and BJP, BSP and left were seen together in seeking the dismissal of the government. ? I have been noting the discussions since yesterday for getting a picture of the whole parliamentary debate. These two days are the most memorable in my life till now as like many Indians I stayed glued to the TV. I understand the Lok Sabha TV got the best viewer ship during these two days. ? Amar Singh challenged the allegations and argued why not these BJP MPs called the police and get the person arrested. Majlis Ittehadul Muslimeen, National Conference supported the motion and they lambasted those who felt that the deal was against the Muslim. Omar Abdullah established the fact that the factors that affected the lives of the Muslims were poverty, unemployment, corruption in the public life and there was nothing that was against Muslims as such in the deal. Government has won the motion with a handsome margin .More votes are waited on the slips from MP who have not been allotted seats. UPA got new release. UPA is pleased. MPs are congratulating Manmohan Singh for winning the motion. But this victory on motion of Prime Minister may not be recalled pleasantly by the posterity as the congratulatory mood is based on perceptions of urban development that would not sustain itself for long time. Development policy based on foreign supplies of energy will not sustain itself even if there is abundance of energy in the short term. Some body may respond tongue in cheek suggesting that in the long term we are all dead. ? Analysis ? The debate demonstrated the best and the worst in the Indian politics, it recalled the nationalist struggle and the dream of the nationalists who sought liberation from the yoke of British rule and how this was getting frittered away through a deal with a country that had invaded sovereign nations in the name of protecting democracy, it presented the various visions of political parties. Left parties were distinct in leading the opposition to nuclear deal and being aware of the nuclear hazards and immoral foreign policy priorities of US, they did not want India to go on a path of dependence on US for energy needs. The arguments could have been made stronger if they have called for ecologically safe model for India as in the long term, entire world would not have access to fossil fuels for energy and even the nuclear fuels would be available for a limited time considering the thousands of years of human existence. Labour League Foundation working for the rights of workers in the organised and unorganised sector and seeking ecologically sustainable future of all children and women called for the following in a letter to the Prime Minister for keeping the prices under control, making the currency stable and ensuring ecologically sustainable and socially inclusive growth through the following demands: ? Rejecting the recommendations of the Gupta Committee report calling for strengthening the institutions of money lending for profiteering out of miseries of borrowers. Eliminating usurious debt based money and calling for the creation of interest free and debt free money Calling upon World Bank and IMF to delete servicing charges for the loans and accepting only interest free loans Regulating the expansion of private and public sector banks through strict implementation of monetary instruments such as CRR ? Charging demurrage for the holding of saving and reserves so that circulation of ?money is promoted for strengthening renewable resource based livelihoods Liberating land from bio fuels utilising the best of ecologically sustainable agriculture methods for augmenting production of food Promoting culture of prayer 5 times a day for moderating the consumption of green house gas emitting services and utilities Promoting adoption of interfaith commons for ecological safety, national and global unity Organising interfaith meetings for addressing the challenges of global warming, desertification, drought, AIDS and other global security challenges Halting expansion of non-renewable resource based vertically oriented urban habitats[2] ? It is proposed that our generations and future generations at least till 2500 AD work for the children of the 40th century and see the merit of the deal in the light of the energy requirements of the children in ecologically hostile cities.? I wish to write in supporting the case of the government based on the following assumptions: ? Government is cognisant of the short term supplies of nuclear energy considering the interests of children in 40th century India will stay committed to renewal energy based consumption and production patterns India following the tradition of Nehru would not be supporting special strategic interests of US It would form its own moral axis for exhortation? and intervention in the affairs of neighbours and other nations far and near India would not follow in competing the ecologically unsustainable infrastructures and habitats that are responsible for global warming , intolerable inflation, hunger, poverty ,disease and insecurity India would lead the world toward ecological sustainability, social equity, social inclusion and justice India would not give in the demands of the empires that are supporting evil designs on pious men and women. India would support the pious government of Iran and not follow the designs of nations that are not adhering to the standards of justice, piety, compassion and peaceful coexistence ? ? Mr.Chidambram cited the example of China that is experiencing growth rates that are historic. Indeed there are the growth rates that have left India far behind. He called for competing and reaching the heights of China. But, he did not quite analyse the sustainability of the resources that are fuelling the growth of China. The pace of economic activity is furious. Vincent Lau is the great architect with interests in several cities of China. Lots of construction activity is going on in China. A new China is merging from decades of atheistic communist sloth and despair. There are restive social groups Eighur Muslims in the West and Buddhist Tibet in South are restive and wish to create separate future rooted in their religious and cultural traditions.? US architects are being called who are supporting new form of lifestyles imported from West. There are changes that are obvious in the creation of new urban spaces. Earlier people used to eat in close door. Now open spaces are being created for ushering in new era .People of Shanghai are getting in the ecologically hostile trap. ?Sintiandi? are very much westernised. Common Chinese are simple and their food is based on soup and vegetable. People fear losing the common culture. ? Communist China is creating equity for ecologically hostile spaces and forcing millions to work in sub-human conditions without liberty for spiritual wellbeing. Mr. Chidambram does not understand all this and wants to copy China that would last long with the ecologically hostile consumption and production patterns. In beating China through meeting their production and export targets, we might get some more earnings for some years, but in the long run, we need to ensure the protection of ecologically sustainable livelihoods and habitats. ? ? [1] Communists in India in so far as they derive their lessons from men and women who had sought banishing religious communication in all matters are atheistic. However, a recent conference organised by Annie Raja of Communist Party commemorating the 100th birth anniversary of Aruna Asaf Ali started with faith based prayers. This indicates that communists are accepting the faith groups in India and call for interfaith harmony. Communists associated with the communist party of India are recognising the need to integrate faith based prayers. This may be considered a special feature of communism in India. Atheistic communists are different from monotheistic and polytheistic communists. Communist Party of India appears to be recognising the importance of religion even among the communists. They are recognising political and cultural rights of the religious groups, though they are not ready to get the religious leaders on their forums.? [2] Kapil Sibal?s call for ecologically sustainable horizontally spaced out habitats is welcome. We must stop expansion of non-renewable resource based unsustainable urban habitats as there is no guarantee for full scale replacement of fossil? fuel based power and energy in the future Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam 58-C,DDA Flats, Ashok Vihar-III,Delhi-110052 Tel:9968345380 Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with Yahoo! India Travel http://in.travel.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmslib at mit.edu Sat May 16 08:52:15 2009 From: bmslib at mit.edu (W. Curtiss Priest) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:52:15 -0400 Subject: [GJM] "Richard Posner 'Writes the Preamble' to the 28th Amendment for Financial Safety" [CITS DEBT WATCH] Message-ID: <4A0ED31F.18C6@mit.edu> ** best viewed in Courier font ** W. Curtiss Priest, Ph.D. Center for Information, Technology & Society 466 Pleasant Street Melrose, MA 02176 E-mail: BMSLIB at MIT.EDU, Voice: 781-662-4044 May 16, 2009 Public Issue #136: CITS CAPITAL & DEBT WATCH "Richard Posner 'Writes the Preamble' to the 28th Amendment for Financial Safety" Commentary by Dr. W. Curtiss Priest, Director: Some readers will recall several issues of this newsletter where I discuss a proposed 28th Amendment to the US Constitution to provide "Financial Safety" for future generations. That proposal has a permanent home: http://cybertrails.org/DEBAME28.TXT and is also copied below. As well intentioned folk are attempting to thwart the forces that have caused what I call the "Greater Depression," I gain courage to read that Posner, also, does not refrain from "flaunt[ing] the D-word." It is not that we don't wish the current contraction to be, yet, just another recession, but, as Posner describes (below), this is not just another recession. It has arisen out of forces far deeper and systemic than another relatively brief recession. And, as Posner also states, "the time for that [an overhaul of the system of financial regulation] is not now, in the heat of a crisis." So, we 'elders,' wanting to prevent horrific depressions and their misery, are patiently waiting on the side-lines, ignoring the noise and confusion that currently exists. So, Posner's new book, "A Failure of Capitalism" is before its time, as is our proposal for the 28th Amendment for Financial Safety. Regardless, I wish to sincerely thank Jonathan Rauch of the National Journal and the Brookings Institution, for his review of Posner's book, and for writing what I find to be the Preamble to our proposal. In that spirit, I merge his review, appearing tomorrow in the Sunday New York Times, with our proposal, to provide insight for those interested in understand- ing how and why we propose what we have. Kindly forward this newsletter to friends and whoever you believe might benefit from our perspective. Thank you. W. Curtiss Priest Editor, CITS Capital & Debt Watch Principal Research Associate Emeritus, MIT Member, American Economics Association ********************************************************************** NOTICE: Contains copyrighted material. As provided for under Section 107 of the 1976 Copyright Law, the following piece is being distributed for non-profit purposes and for comment, criticism, and teaching. In cases where the purpose of conveying information is to fully inform the reader, an entire entry or article is reproduced. However, these extracts are typically a very small percentage of the overall original work or publication. Should you wish to convey this material, in the same spirit, you are free to do so. ****************************Advertisement***************************** Subscriptions to the New York Times Book Review 800-631-2580 ****************************Advertisement***************************** "Preamble to the 28th Amendment:" Capitalism's Fault Lines Richard A. Posner takes the recessionary onus off Wall Street, Washington and Main Street and puts it on the system. by Jonathan Rauch *** A FAILURE OF CAPITALISM The Crisis of '08 and the Descent Into Depression. By Richard A. Posner. 346 pp. Harvard University Press. $23.95. *** "THIS recession," President Obama said recently, "was not caused by a normal downturn in the business cycle. It was caused by a perfect storm of irresponsibility and poor decision-making that stretched from Wall Street to Washington to Main Street." Richard A. Posner is having none of it. A perfect storm, yes: but a storm of responsibility and reasonable decision-making. The Crash of '08 happened because businesspeople and consumers did what markets and society expect them to do. Don't blame capitalists or, for the most part, government. Blame capitalism. It comes as something of a surprise that Posner, a doyen of the market-oriented law-and-economics movement, should deliver a roundhouse punch to the proposition that markets are self-correcting. It might also seem odd that a federal appellate judge (and University of Chicago law lecturer) would be among the first out of the gate with a comprehensive book on the financial crisis -- if, that is, the judge were any other judge. But Posner is the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan's successor as the country's most omnivorous and independent-minded public intellectual. By now, his dozens of books just about fill their own wing in the Library of Congress. In "Catastrophe: Risk and Response" (2004), he took up the problem of low probability, high-impact events. The financial meltdown certainly qualifies. In this compact and bracingly lucid volume, he offers a simple, but not simplistic, primer: "a concise, constructive, jargon and acronym-free, nontechnical, unsensational, light-on-anecdote, analytical examination of the major facets of the biggest U.S. economic disaster in my lifetime and that of most people living today." If you read the newspapers, you will not see much in "A Failure of Capitalism" by way of unfamiliar particulars. Cheap money and an inrush of foreign capital fueled a lending boom, which poured credit into the housing market. As prices went up, up, up, even risky mortgages seemed safe and everyone piled in, including banks. Financiers relied on securitization and complicated financial instruments to dilute the attendant risk, but the result was to spread that risk through the financial system, making it impossible to locate. When the housing bubble popped, everyone was holding bad debt, but no one was sure how bad or even how much. With banks suddenly looking undercapitalized, lenders stopped lending and started selling assets to raise cash. The faster everyone ran for the exits, the faster asset prices fell, dragging banks' balance sheets down with them. Credit markets seized up, depressing the economy, causing more mortgage defaults and asset- price deflation, further weakening banks, further paralyzing credit, depressing the economy still more. . . . Repeat ad nauseam. You know that story, and Posner tells it well, with a particular flair for showing how dozens of moving parts interacted. Being Richard Posner, however, he is not content to be an amiable guide through the thicket. His real interest is in finding and detonating grenades in the underbrush. One is right there on the title page, which flaunts the D-word. The current crisis, Posner maintains, is a depression. True, it is not (we hope) a great depression. But the typical postwar recession is a partly self-correcting disinflationary contraction that soon subsides, often leaving the economy healthier. The present downturn is a self-sustaining deflationary contraction whose costly aftereffects will linger for years. The Great Depression led to World War II. Today's depression presumably won't be that bad, but it may cause a huge loss of output, an immense increase in the national debt, a swing to excessive regulation, a nasty bout of inflation, a decline in America's economic and geopolitical power, and increased political instability abroad. A typical recession is a market correction, usually of inflation or other economic imbalances; a depression is a market failure. And it is a failure (here is grenade No. 2) that the market is powerless to prevent. "An interrelated system of financial intermediaries" -- a banking system, broadly defined -- "is inherently unstable," Posner writes. Think of it as "a kind of epileptic, subject to unpredictable, strange seizures." Populists and libertarians will hate this book, though I wouldn't want to predict which group will hate it more. A perfect storm of irresponsibility? Hardly. The crisis came about precisely because intelligent businesses and consumers followed market signals. "The mistakes were systemic -- the product of the nature of the banking business in an environment shaped by low interest rates and deregulation rather than the antics of crooks and fools." Were a lot of people reckless and stupid? Of course! But that cannot explain why the whole system crashed, since a lot of people are always reckless and stupid. The problem, fundamentally, is that markets cannot, and rationally should not, anticipate their own collapse. "A depression is too remote an event to influence business behavior." Any single business can rationally guard against its own bankruptcy, but not the simultaneous bankruptcy of everybody else. The profit-maximizing businessman rationally ignores small probabilities that his conduct in conjunction with that of his competitors may bring down the entire economy." [PICTURE] On the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, Sept. 16, 2008. During the housing bubble, for example, sitting out the mortgage boom meant forgoing large profits. "Even if you know you're riding a bubble and are scared to be doing so," Posner writes, "it is difficult to climb off without paying a big price." So people made decisions that were individually rational but collectively irrational. To see the crisis through populist spectacles, as President Obama does when he attributes it to "irresponsibility," is to misunderstand the whole problem by blaming capitalists for a failure of capitalism And so -- here is the part libertarians will hate -- markets, entirely of their own accord, will sometimes capsize and be unable to right themselves completely for years at a stretch. (See: Japan, "lost decade" of.) Nor can monetary policy be counted on to counteract markets' tippy tendencies, as so many economists had come to believe. Alas, economists and policy makers got cocksure. They thought they had consigned depression to history. As a result they missed warning signs and failed to prepare for the worst. "We are learning," Posner writes, "that we need a more active and intelligent government to keep our model of a capitalist economy from running off the rails." By doing what, exactly? Posner thinks laissez-faire economics has nothing relevant to say. The rest of the economics profession is all over the map. The system of financial regulation will need an overhaul, but Posner argues that the time for that it is not now, in the heat of crisis. Anyway, no one is sure what to do. He halfheartedly suggests a few reforms but concedes they are "pretty small beer." If pressed, I suspect, he might also acknowledge some 20-20 hindsight in his insistence that the government should have prepared for an event that hardly anyone thought possible. [highlight] The Crash of 'O8 happened, Posner says, because people did what markets and society expect them to do. By the last page, not a single lazy generalization has survived Posner's merciless scrutiny, not one populist cliche remains standing. "A Failure of Capitalism" clears away whole forests of cant but leaves readers at a loss as to where to go from. here. In other words, it is only a starting point -- but an indispensable one. THE NEW YORK TIMES BOOK REVIEW 11 Sunday, May 17, 2009 Jonathan Rauch is a senior writer with National Journal and a guest scholar at the Brookings Institution. Note: this copyrighted material is being forwarded under "fair use" Section 107(a) of the U.S. Copyright Act for non-commercial purposes and to a designated audience at the "teachable moment." ---------------------------------------------------------- The 28th Amendment to Solve, Finally, a Major Defect to Current Capitalism: Manias, Panics and Crashes Proposed Amendment first published May, 2007 The 4th Branch of the US for Financial Safety W. Curtiss Priest, Ph.D. Editor, CITS Capital & Debt Watch Reissued: 2/20/2008, 4/16/2009, 5/7/2009 Preface: a US Constitutional Amendment for Financial Safety As readers know from my prior newsletters(1), I am quite sure there is little to be done to provide any remedy for our current US/World predicament, as, the time to have provided the remedy was starting about 30 years ago, when the first little flames of unsafe financial practices began, and then by using a repeated pattern of snuffing them out, just as they become visible to folk well trained to see such flames. So I speak here anyone interested in contemplating the remedy to prevent *all* future crashes, and it is not what my MIT colleague, Kindleberger(2) imagined -- as keeping "the lender of last resort" hidden and elusive. That didn't work -- indeed, that lender was so elusive and dumb as to repeatedly invite greater and greater hazard. In this article I've pulled together an edited statement of our proposed 28th Amendment for the 4th Branch of the Federal Government for Financial Safety (and it is somewhat like what Elizabeth Warren(3) has proposed, except she suggests it be a "Commission" and I say why that also is unlikely to work, as a commission). W. Curtiss Priest, Ph.D. Editor, CITS Capital & Debt Watch Principal Research Associate Emeritus, MIT Member, American Economics Association (1) CITS Capital & Debt Watch: issues and responses http://www.google.com/groups?q=cits+debt+watch http://groups.google.com/groups?q=cits+debt+watch (2) Charles P. Kindleberger, Manias, Panics, and Crashes: A History of Financial Crises. New York: Basic Books, 1978. (3) James M. Stone, "A new rulebook for financial regulations." Boston: The Boston Globe, 2/5/2009, p. A15. *** There are some who remember the US coming out of WWII as the strongest economy on the earth. Plus, we were on a technology roll that NO ONE could match. That war was funded by both taxes and war bonds. There are various interpretations of what happened. Some saw the war as "the shot in the arm" that ended the Great Depression. But others note that there were ample signs that the depression was ending prior to when the US entered the war. Those who saw the cure as "spending into debt" still embrace the solution as a Keynesian result. Today? We are a third-world country by many definitions. And, every third-world country that has tried to improve it lot by spending inevitably end up devaluing there currency and go into hyper-inflation. Some, today, fear deflation ... but ... with Summers and Bernanke -- these guys are just smart enough to think they can pull something off in the way of labels of 'stimulus' and 'bailout,' but neither is smart enough to see the consequences. The bottom line is (and has always been), if one or two generations receive huge boom incomes, etc., riding on debt, then at least one generation (now), pays the consequences. The "intergenerational equity" of this generation-based disparity is horrific. Why should perfectly well trained children, now coming out of college, etc., be greeted by an economy that can't hire them? It is this intergenerational equity that the proposal for a 28th Amendment is oriented to cure. But, lots of oxen will be "gored" -- the money for nothing game must never be allowed to be played again. For the sake of all future generations, I am hopeful that some important "rules" as voiced by Mr. Stone (below) help guide the shaping of this branch. Two things must happen now that we are in a crisis: 1. remedy, as we can, the current situation 2. prevent a recurrence of such crises, hopefully for all future generations If you look at the history of this country, we find that there has been, cyclicly and regularly, six financial crises of very large magnitude. This simply should not be permitted to happen as the grief is large and the innocent are hurt. Attached is my Boston Globe published letter of May 1, 1998 -- where I expressed this strong sentiment. And in that letter I suggested taking notes on identifying the features and causes as only then "will the next generation be able to avoid yet another catastrophe." President Obama, in his early aired address, spoke of a looming catastrophe. As I expressed in this letter (attached below), now eleven years ago, I would not be caught up in the mania, but, rather, study how and why it occurs. My conclusions are that the most important change to our country's government is to add a fourth branch for financial safety. It must be a branch, not an agency or commission, as I have seen how such parts of government are frequently and regularly, politically co-opted by those holding office and those elected to serve. And this is proposed as a 28th amendment to the US Constitution. After first proposing this, in May of 2007 (on several Internet Lists) a James M. Stone published his fine op-ed piece, "A new rulebook for financial regulations (2/5/2009, A15)" in the Boston Globe. The rules mentioned -- such as reducing financial leverage, risk assessability, sales practices and disclosure are extremely well thought out. Yet, even the fine minds of the 30's were unable to anticipate all the ways clever people would and did get around the best of rules and regulations they could imagine. And they were as equally determined to make sure the pain of the Great Depression was never felt again. Mr. Stone mentions Elizabeth Warren's proposal for a "Financial Product Safety Commission." And we agree with her that only an active part of government can keep up with cleverness as we've had afoot -- a 'cleverness' that will reappear in another 6 decades or so -- to cause yet another wave of suffering. Another suggestion, for a Monetary Security Agency, by Gelles, suggests an agency like the US NSA. However, this places too much power under the Executive Branch. As the author of the book "Risks, Concerns and Social Legislation" I have seen first hand how each and every "safety" and "protection" agency and commission was political compromised and neutered over the last 29 years. Their actions were 'not to the liking of many businesses with sway on the hill.' So, I suggest neither fixed rules nor a commission will be enough to prevent the next crash, and we have proposed a 28th Amendment to establish a fourth branch of the Federal Government, with specified Congressional relationships and tailored more like the risk assessment unit of the SEC under Donaldson, a unit he described to Moyers on PBS last year. Donaldson's unit could see the risk taking, but were powerless to stop it. Further, I would take Stone's fine rulebook and make it the cornerstone of a guidebook for those appointed to this branch (see a reprint of the article below). *** So what we needed is an extension of State and can be said so by declaring a 28th Amendment to the US Constitution that says the following: The 4th Branch of the US for Financial Safety Section 1. In an age of increased reason and knowledge, the people of the United States declare a more specific approach to achieve Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Section 2. As shown via the process by which nature created life, it is the responsibility of all people to not only perpetuate life but to sanctify all forms of life in their practices, activities and actions. Specifically, various virtues that constitute the good life, and similar instrumental values shall be celebrated. Section 3. A fourth body of government shall exist with the purpose of reviewing all laws and practices as called for in the form of a Rawlsian social contract as defined and regulated by the Bureau of Social Contract. Section 4. With respect to the other three bodies of US government, the Bureau has the power to introduce, and see through to a deciding vote, legislation when requested by five Senators in the Senate or twenty representatives in the House. With respect to the Judiciary, decisions of the Supreme Court, found to be disrespectful of Section 1 or Section 2, shall be formulated into law and entered into the appropriate legislative body within ninety days of such decisions. Similarly, Executive Orders by the President found to be disrespectful of Section 1 or Section 2, shall be formulated into law and entered into the appropriate legislative body. Section 5. To avoid delays for time-critical situations the Bureau shall have the power to enforce injunctions on any issues that arise under Section 4. Such injunctions shall require the concurrence of a Federal Judge and shall be subject to powers as determined by Congress. Section 6. In situations where it is deemed that actions within a single State may manifest into disrespect for Section 1 and for Section 2, the Bureau may seek redress as provided under Section 4 and Section 5. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Letters to the Editor The Boston Globe May 10, 1998, p. C6 WARNING: DEBT IS WHAT CAUSES DEPRESSIONS There is certainly a madness in our midst. Ravi Batra's new book, "Stock Market Crashes of 1998 and 1999" talks about how those hawking mutual funds based on strong fundamentals neglect to say that the fundamentals in 1929 were also very strong days before a depression that spread worldwide. As best economists can tell, what precipitates an economic catastrophe is debt. We are probably not going to avoid a depression, the depths of which will likely be greater than that of the '30s. Why? Because our level of indebtedness in relation to total domestic revenues is nearly twice the amount of debt we had when this country was ravaged by the last depression. But perhaps we can do what the banking regulators of the '30s failed to do. They failed to put in place a foolproof mechanism to prevent future depressions. We need to take special note of what and why the euphoria preceding a depression occurs. For only if we fully identify its features and causes will the next generation be able to avoid yet another catastrophe. W. CURTISS PRIEST Melrose The writer is director of the Center for Information, Technology & Society, and a member of the American Economic Association ------------------------------------------------------------------- A new rulebook for financial regulations By James M. Stone February 5, 2009 Boston Globe Since insufficient regulation is considered a contributor to the 2008 financial crisis, one might expect that better regulation will soon be implemented to prevent a recurrence of the bubble. However, those who supported the extreme deregulatory policies of the last 20 years - respected free-market theorists as well as many large campaign contributors who gained from the permissive policies - remain powerful and may be able to block any effort. They will surely contend that increases in regulation should be minimal, that the "fruits of financial innovation" must be protected, or that what is needed is better regulators rather than more government. It is time for those who believe we have tasted enough of the fruit of reckless finance to offer an agenda for regulatory change. What is needed is neither an industrial policy substituting political preferences for the invisible hand nor a new ocean of paperwork. Instead, we should think about financial regulation as mainly a set of prohibitions on harmful practices, more a rulebook than a bureaucracy. Here is a checklist of subjects for the debate agenda. Leverage. The 2008 crisis couldn't have occurred if regulators had heeded the most obvious lesson of the Great Depression. Speculators buying stocks on loose margin helped create a bubble in equity prices that burst in October 1929, and tore the fabric of the economy. Since then, it has been understood that excessive leverage in financial markets is hazardous to participants and bystanders alike. Leverage for common stock investors was limited after that time to around one-to-one, but few if any leverage limitations were applied to the new derivative instruments that emerged in the last 20 years. By 2008, banks and brokers were leveraged as much as 30-to-one. A financial institution with that much leverage is necessarily jeopardizing itself and its counterparties. Far tighter leverage restrictions are needed, and, for banks, that should include restrictions applied to large loan customers, including hedge funds. Complexity. A substantial share of the damage in 2008 was caused by stunning overuse of derivative securities such as credit default obligations and securitized mortgage tranches. Some of these instruments were so convoluted that they can not be unwound without congressional help, and their risk profiles can't be parsed by Wall Street's brightest bankers. These are examples of the "financial weapons of mass destruction" Warren Buffett warned about years ago. Policymakers should consider forbidding any insured institution from trading derivatives too complex for risk analysis and limiting the menu to instruments collateralized with modest leverage, traded on exchanges, or approved as contracts of insurance. Cyclical Robustness. Institutions of finance used to help the country get through inevitable economic cycles. Profits from good years were retained as capital in banks and brokers, thus available to cushion the lean years. By shifting much of their risk and reward to hedge-fund clients, banking institutions inadvertently moved profits into businesses that sent them home in personal compensation - forfeiting the cushion. Then, as banks and brokers grew increasingly envious of their clients' economics, they ramped up their own leveraged trading activities to mimic the hedge funds . . . and supercharged compensation to compete for talent. Regulation should assure that cyclical gains are not paid out in compensation by a taxpayer-backstopped financial sector. While we shouldn't be quick to assign blame to individuals for accepting the pay they were offered, the notion that the good years belong to the management and the bad years belong to the taxpayers deserves a deep burial. Scale. Congress has gone too long without debate on the basic questions of anti-trust policy. Policymakers used to wonder if bigness could indeed be badness. In recent decades, however, consolidation in the financial sector has gone largely unchallenged. Some in government seem to think huge scale is actually a public benefit; others accept it as an irresistible force. It is neither. Most of the giant firms taxpayers are bailing out were small fractions of their current size and market shares a few decades ago. Some degree of consolidation may have been justified by underlying economics, but it is time to ask if the scale of the troubled behemoths serves anyone well. It is fair to query whether any firm can be too big to fail without being too big to manage or whether financial companies with inexhaustible lobbying budgets are compatible with pluralist democracy. Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz has said that when "a firm is too big to fail . . . it should be broken up." Congress and the president should force an examination of the question and reconsider its 1999 repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, which had long separated banks from brokers. Sales Practices. Irresponsible mortgage lending also played a role in the crisis. Much of the harm was done at the point of sale, where families were encouraged to take on obligations only marginally realistic even in good circumstances and impossible to honor in a declining economy. Documentation grew ever weaker as the bubble enlarged, just when it needed strengthening. Well-meaning but exaggerated public policies to favor home ownership contributed to this problem, as did securitization that allowed sloppy underwriting analysts to pass off the risk bearing to others, but some measure of blame belongs to downright ugly practices. In the first 50 years after 1929, securities regulators established an admirable tradition of sales oversight, including broker-dealer licensing and testing, suitability rules, and compliance and conduct examinations. These standards were weakened in recent years and never matched in mortgage origination or derivative sales. A uniform high standard of protection is presumably what Harvard law professor Elizabeth Warren was seeking when she called for a Financial Product Safety Commission. Government needs to take a fresh look at sales practices in the financial service industry and raise the bar throughout. Disclosure. The least controversial pillar of financial regulation should be the requirement of full disclosure. Sadly, even the simple principle that financial institutions should reveal their metrics to a public dependent on their soundness was diluted in the tide of deregulation. The emerging hedge-fund industry was subjected to virtually no reporting requirements, and banks were permitted to pack liabilities into opaque special-purpose entities omitted from balance sheets. Some policymakers were fooled into thinking that less than full disclosure was a new global imperative or that there were no widows and orphans to protect in sophisticated markets. It should be clear by now that pension investments and the ability of a financial failure to catalyze more general economic maladies justify intervention even by the widows-and-orphans standard. The coming regulatory reform should restore maximum transparency as the inviolable objective of financial reporting, and large debtors and counterparties of guaranteed institutions should be subject to the same standards as the institutions themselves. This is not a call for an industrial policy, for red tape, or for nationalization of the financial sector. It is a common-sense call to prohibit behaviors that produced a terrible outcome. The crisis we find ourselves in, one that will scar millions of American families, never needed to occur. The turn in the real estate cycle that fomented the crisis would have been manageably absorbed had adequate regulation of financial institutions been in place all along. The regulatory cure implied here may seem Draconian to those who profited from under-regulation, but it is no larger than the harm that regulation's laxity has engendered. James M. Stone, former chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and prior to that commissioner of insurance for Massachusetts, is CEO of the Plymouth Rock group of property and casualty insurance companies. c Copyright 2009 Globe Newspaper Company. ["fair use," "teachable moment," "archival," Section 107(a), 1976 Copyright Act and 1998 Digital Millennium Act] ------------------------------------------------------------------- Appendix A: 11/13/2008 -- further thoughts about applying constraints The overall problem backs into the thorny area related to any and all activities that are intended to induce purchases. Advertisements are created, for example, induce purchases. So, with respect to economic stability there are socially efficient advertisements which induce a "more appropriate" product or service, where consumer surplus may even be increased. As there are often economies of "scale" "scope" that result from higher volumes resulting due to advertisements, the pareto optimality is increased by such advertisements (yet, still ... commonly ... at the expense of causing smaller businesses to fail). There is often debate about, for example, the geographic locating of a Walmart, precisely because community-oriented people fear that "local business" will be hurt, and thus, overall pareto optimality may go down to the extent that this harm is greater than the economic benefits of the savings due to a higher volume retailer. There are many who believe that there are negative externalities when advertisement becomes so controlling of human behavior, that it creates a level of materialism that overly displaces other socially desirable goods (family activities, use of leisure, say for exercise or socializing, etc.) And, the most invasive of these negative externalities is in the accrual of financial debts that become too great a risk to the individual, the family and to the economy. Finally, there is advertising and other inducing behavior, such as "stimulus packages" that bring great evil upon an economy. While Keynesian inductions of spending are beneficial when, for example, the Federal Government has run a surplus, and the Keynesian inductions are simply addressing minor cycles where, if treated, overall welfare increases ... such inducing and stimulating purchases where none of the parties can afford the added spending is criminal. While these inducements are born out of relatively "good intentions" -- 1.) on the side of businesses, surplus inventory may be ameliorated by such inducements -- it will be the case there are times when these surpluses should not be purchased and consumed, almost at any price; 2.) and on the side of the Federal Government -- it is always "politic" to prop up an economy ... as voters want jobs and goods -- it will be the case that when the Federal Government's use of debt to provide the inducement will cause an overall reduction in welfare to the current generation and will cause an overall reduction in welfare to the current generation and their children's generations. In hindsight, of course, if the purposes of the 28th Amendment are achieved, a good deal of this inducement behavior will simply disappear, as it will be unnecessary. However, there still remains the problem of advertising, and related social behaviors caused by and around all of the advertised goods and services, "asks" that households take on spending in excess of income, or prudence in general. For example, in a consumer/materialistic-based society, events such as Christmas and birthdays become judged by the extravagance of gift-giving. Those who adhere to price guidelines, in the spirit of keeping the activity affordable, are seen as Scrooges and spoil-sports. Often, the grandmother, say of a large family, seems only able to express her love and caring by spending beyond her means ... but cherishing the smiles and hugs of all the recipients. Ask most anyone in such a society whether "things have gone overboard" and they are likely to nod, quickly in affirmation. But, then try to take such a socially-ingrained issue any further and one is met with general resistance. This is a classic case of a "race to the bottom" and it occurs regardless of whether, stepping back, it is seen as wise or provident. At this time I would require the 4th branch to further study how human behaviors (as are currently documented by the field of behavioral economics) can be assisted in curbing the appetites for overspending on goods and services. Such study shall lead to programs, such as illustrated by smoking cessation programs, to provide financial safety related teachings in schools, public addiction cures, and appropriate labeling and controls of advertisements for goods and services. Appendix B: 4/16/2009 -- further thoughts about a Social Dividend The father of the theory of Social Credit is C. H. Douglas. Buried in obscure prose and elucidated by others with yet more obscure prose, there is a theorem called A + B. This theorem relates to an imbalance in the ability for consumers to purchase all goods and services based on their wages. Later authors, such as Shakespeare and Ashford, in Binary Economics have also, based on the work of Kelso, spoken to the advantages of worker-owned companies. Their work suggests that a further underlying cause for consumer debt is an imbalance, i.e., that monies siphoned off as profits by companies do not incur to workers, and yet goods and services reflect both the actual cost of goods plus these other sums. Knurland and others are also convinced that ownership is required for a stable form of capitalism. Their views are disseminated by the Internet list, "Global Justice Movement." Most recently, Richard C. Cook has proposed a dividend to solve such problems in "We Hold These Truths." I, as a co-author of the book, "Technological Innovation for a Dynamic Economy," am perplexed about these approaches. As I have witnessed how the ownership of capital "engines" called companies often requires ownership by CEOs with a commitment to profit, at almost any cost, I am reticent about the viability of worker ownership. I believe that in a better world, such ownership is kinder and more fair, but impractical in this world. As for a transfer payment to remedy the "A + B" problem, I don't see how a financial system can both pay profits to investors and pay the same sums to consumers as dividends. This strikes me as a "having your cake and eating it, too, problem." At this time, I would require the 4th branch for financial safety to further study the problem as pressures occur for unreasonable levels of consumer debt. If, indeed, to put a lid on unreasonable lending is to cause an imbalance in the supply of goods and services and their demand, with the result that sellers constantly tempt buyers to borrow beyond their means, this 4th branch shall devise the most practical remedy to this behavior. From maryrose333 at att.net Sat May 16 12:39:16 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:39:16 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Major Media Articles Reveal Serious Vaccine Risks Message-ID: <000001c9d655$a1221760$e3664620$@net> From: PEERS: WantToKnow.info Email List [mailto:emaillist at peerservice.org] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:33 AM To: maryrose333 at att.net Subject: Major Media Articles Reveal Serious Vaccine Risks To subscribe to or unsubscribe from this list (one email every few days) or to reply to this message, see end of email This message is available online at http://www.WantToKnow.info/health/vaccine_risks With the recent swine flu scare, talk of mass vaccinations for public safety are again being raised. Yet few are talking about the risks involved. Below are revealing excerpts of key articles from the major media revealing serious vaccine risks. Links are provided to the full articles on major media websites. If any link should fail to function, click here. Why aren't we being informed by both government and the medical profession of this critical information? Are the pharmaceutical companies with their huge profits keeping these risks quiet? By choosing to educate ourselves on these important issues and to spread the word, we can and will build a brighter future .. Note: For how you can make a difference, see "What you can do <> " box near bottom. _____ FDA rejects new limits on mercury in vaccines 2006-10-24, MSNBC/Associated Press http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15405274 Federal health officials won?t put new restrictions on the use of a mercury-based preservative in vaccines and other medicines. A group called the Coalition for Mercury-free Drugs petitioned the Food and Drug Administration in 2004 seeking the restrictions on thimerosal, citing concerns that the preservative is linked to autism. The FDA rejected the petition. Thimerosal, about 50 percent mercury by weight, has been used since the 1930s to kill microbes in vaccines. There have been suspicions that thimerosal causes autism. However, studies that tracked thousands of children consistently have found no association between the brain disorder and the mercury-based preservative. Critics contend the studies are flawed. Since 2001, all vaccines given to children 6 and younger have been either thimerosal-free or contained only trace amounts of the preservative. Thimerosal has been phased out of some, but not all, adult vaccines as well. Most doses of the flu vaccine still contain thimerosal. There also are minute amounts of mercury, as thimerosal or phenylmercuric acetate, in roughly 45 eye ointments, nasal sprays and nasal solutions, the FDA said. Note: Why are they still using mercury in flu shots when it is not necessary? Heavy metals are well known to be toxic to the human body. The studies mentioned above are almost entirely funded by pharmaceutical interests and government bodies working with them. _____ Merck Suspends Lobbying for Vaccine 2007-02-21, CBS News/Associated Press http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/21/ap/business/mainD8NDU4AG0.shtml Pediatricians, gynecologists and even health insurers all call Gardasil, the first vaccine to prevent cervical cancer, a big medical advance. But medical groups, politicians and parents began rebelling after disclosure of a behind-the-scenes lobbying campaign by Gardasil's maker, Merck & Co., to get state legislatures to require 11- and 12-year-old girls to get the three-dose vaccine as a requirement for school attendance. Some parents' groups and doctors particularly objected because the vaccine protects against a sexually transmitted disease. Vaccines mandated for school attendance usually are for diseases easily spread through casual contact, such as measles and mumps. Bowing to pressure, Merck said Tuesday that it is immediately suspending its controversial campaign. [Yet] legislatures in roughly 20 states have introduced measures that would mandate girls have the vaccine to attend school. Texas Gov. Rick Perry on Feb. 2 issued an executive order requiring Texas girls entering the sixth grade as of 2008 get the vaccinations. The country has been "burned" by some drugs whose serious side effects emerged only after they were in wide use, including Merck's withdrawn painkiller Vioxx. The vaccine also is controversial because of its price - $360 for the three doses required. Note: $360 for every girl in school would amount to quite a hefty transfer of funds from taxpayers into the pockets of Merck. Could profit and campaign contributions be behind the move to make this mandatory? _____ Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on the Vaccine Autism Coverup 2005-06-22, MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8316237 JOE SCARBOROUGH, Host: Six out of every 1,000 kids get it, and nobody knows exactly why. But my next guest says ... part of the blame ... needs to fall on government. And it has to do with a drug called thimerosal. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is a senior attorney for the Natural Resources Defense [Council]. Let's talk tonight about thimerosal. There are a lot of people out there ... very concerned about the impact of this drug, which is found in vaccines, and how it causes autism. KENNEDY: Thimerosal is a preservative that was put in vaccines back in the 1930s. Almost immediately after it was put in, autism cases began to appear. Autism had never been known before. Then the vaccines were increased in 1989 by the CDC and by a couple of other government agencies. We went up from receiving about 10 vaccines in our generation to these kids receive 24 vaccines. And they all had this thimerosal in them, this mercury. And nobody bothered to do an analysis of what the cumulative impact of all that mercury was doing to kids. As it turns out, we are injecting our children with 400 times the amount of mercury that FDA or EPA considers safe. A child on his first day that he is born is injected with a hepatitis B shot. Under EPA guidelines, he would have to be 275 pounds to safely absorb that shot. What happened was that, in 1988, one in every 2,500 American children had autism. Today, one in every 166 children have autism. Note: For an excellent article by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. revealing the severe manipulations around vaccines, click here . For a seven-minute video clip of the above interview, click here . For lots more on autism and vaccines from reliable, verifiable sources, click here _____ Get kids vaccinated or go to jail? 2007-11-17, USA Today/Associated Press http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-11-17-vaccines-school_N.htm Scores of grumbling parents facing a threat of jail lined up at a courthouse Saturday to either prove that their school-age kids already had their required vaccinations or see that the youngsters submitted to the needle. The get-tough policy in the Washington suburbs of Prince George's County was one of the strongest efforts made by any U.S. school system to ensure its youngsters receive their required immunizations. Two months into the school year, school officials realized that more than 2,000 students in the county still didn't have the vaccinations they were supposed to have before attending class. So Circuit Court Judge C. Philip Nichols ordered parents in a letter to appear at the courthouse Saturday and either get their children vaccinated on the spot or risk up to 10 days in jail. "It was very heavy handed," [school mom Aloma Martin] said of the county's action. "From that letter, it sounded like they were going to start putting us in jail." Any children who still lack immunizations could be expelled. Their parents could then be brought up on truancy charges, which can result in a 10-day jail sentence for a first offense and 30 days for a second. Maryland, like all states, requires children to be immunized against several childhood illnesses including polio, mumps and measles. Several organizations opposed to mass vaccinations demonstrated outside the courthouse. While the medical consensus is that vaccines are safe and effective, some people blame immunizations for a rise in autism and other medical problems. "People should have a choice" in getting their children immunized, said Charles Frohman, representing a physicians' group opposed to vaccines. _____ Researchers Question Wide Use of HPV Vaccines 2008-08-21, New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/21/health/21vaccine.html?partner=rssuserland &e... Two vaccines against cervical cancer are being widely used without sufficient evidence about whether they are worth their high cost or even whether they will effectively stop women from getting the disease, two articles in this week?s New England Journal of Medicine conclude. Both vaccines target the human papillomavirus, a common sexually transmitted virus that usually causes no symptoms and is cleared by the immune system, but which can in very rare cases become chronic and cause cervical cancer. The two vaccines [are] Gardasil by Merck Sharp & Dohme and Cervarix by GlaxoSmithKline. ?Despite great expectations and promising results of clinical trials, we still lack sufficient evidence of an effective vaccine against cervical cancer,? Dr. Charlotte J. Haug ... wrote in an editorial in Thursday?s issue of The New England Journal. ?With so many essential questions still unanswered, there is good reason to be cautious.? Researchers have not yet demonstrated how long the immunity will last, or whether eliminating some strains of cancer-causing virus will decrease the body?s natural immunity to other strains. _____ Remember Anthrax? 2005-11-02, Newsweek http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9900947/site/newsweek Just as President George W. Bush is launching an ambitious plan to guard against an avian flu pandemic, an administration program to prepare for a potential anthrax attack is running into new and unexpected hurdles. VaxGen Inc., a California biotech firm ... last year was awarded an $877.5 million contract to supply a newly invented, and so far unlicensed, anthrax vaccine. For months, investigators on both sides of the aisle have expressed concerns that the administration may have invested too big a chunk of the nation's biodefenses in one obscure and relatively untested company. Last year's decision by HHS to award the contract to the little-known VaxGen is being scrutinized by at least two congressional committees. The company's product will have to pass more large-scale tests proving its safety and effectiveness on people before it is fully licensed by the Food and Drug Administration for use on humans. A New York Times report last December noted that ... the company had faced lawsuits filed by investors who claimed VaxGen misinformed them about an AIDS vaccine that the company had heavily promoted but which later failed to work. Note: For more on how greed and corruption in the pharmaceutical industry affects your health and wallet, see our Health Information Center. _____ Deadly Immunity - by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. 2005-06-16, Common Dreams/Boston Globe http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0616-31.htm In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center ... to ensure complete secrecy. The federal officials and industry representatives had assembled to discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and young children. A mercury-based preservative in the vaccines -- thimerosal -- appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism. But instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives at Simpsonwood spent most of the next two days discussing how to cover up the damaging data. According to transcripts obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, many at the meeting were concerned about how the damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine industry's bottom line. The CDC paid the Institute of Medicine to conduct a new study to whitewash the risks of thimerosal, ordering researchers to "rule out" the chemical's link to autism. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who has received $873,000 in contributions from the pharmaceutical industry, has been working to immunize vaccine makers from liability in 4,200 lawsuits that have been filed by the parents of injured children. More than 500,000 kids currently suffer from autism. The disease was unknown until 1943, when it was identified and diagnosed among 11 children born in the months after thimerosal was first added to baby vaccines in 1931. Internal documents reveal that Eli Lilly, which first developed thimerosal, knew from the start that its product could cause damage -- and even death -- in both animals and humans. Note: A good, though somewhat watered down version of the above article was published in the Boston Globe on July 1, 2005. To see this article on the Globe website, click here. _____ Merck's infant vaccine stirs new controversy 2005-03-08, Newsday/Los Angeles Times http://www.nynewsday.com/news/health/ny-usglan084168623mar08,0,3713664.story Merck & Co. continued to supply infant vaccine containing a mercury preservative for two years after declaring that it had eliminated the chemical. Thimerosal, which is nearly 50 percent ethyl mercury, has largely been eliminated from most routine childhood vaccines, although it is present in most flu shots. More than 4,200 parents have filed claims in the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, alleging that their children suffered autism or other neurological disorders from mercury in their shots. _____ The Man Behind The Vaccine Mystery 2002-12-12, CBS News http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/12/eveningnews/main532886.shtml It's been a mystery in Washington for weeks. Just before President Bush signed the homeland security bill into law an unknown member of Congress inserted a provision into the legislation that blocks lawsuits against the maker of a controversial vaccine preservative called "thimerosal," used in vaccines that are given to children. Drug giant Eli Lilly and Company makes thimerosal. It's the mercury in the preservative that many parents say causes autism in thousands of children. But nobody in Congress would admit to adding the provision, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Acosta ? until now. House Majority Leader Dick Armey tells CBS News he did it to keep vaccine-makers from going out of business under the weight of mounting lawsuits. "I did it and I'm proud of it," says Armey, R-Texas. "It's a matter of national security," Armey says. Because Armey is retiring at the end of the year, some say the outgoing majority leader is the perfect fall guy to take the heat and shield the White House from embarrassment. Note: Though this is old news, it is very important news showing how beholden the government is to the powerful drug companies, and how great the fear of thimerosal lawsuits is. _____ How to Deal with Swine Flu: Heeding the Mistakes of 1976 2009-04-27, Time Magazine http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1894129,00.html In February 1976, an outbreak of swine flu struck Fort Dix Army base in New Jersey, killing a 19-year-old private and infecting hundreds of soldiers. Concerned that the U.S. was on the verge of a devastating epidemic, President Gerald Ford ordered a nationwide vaccination program at a cost of $135 million (some $500 million in today's money). Within weeks, reports surfaced of people developing Guillain-Barr? syndrome, a paralyzing nerve disease that can be caused by the vaccine. By April, more than 30 people had died of the condition. Facing protests, federal officials abruptly canceled the program on Dec. 16. The epidemic failed to materialize. Medical historians and epidemiologists say ... the decisions made in the wake of the '76 outbreak ? and the public's response to them ? provide a cautionary tale for public health officials, who may soon have to consider whether to institute draconian measures to combat the disease. "I think 1976 provides an example of how not to handle a flu outbreak," says Hugh Pennington, an emeritus professor of virology at Britain's University of Aberdeen. Despite modern advances in microbiology, today's health officials still make decisions in a "cloud of uncertainty," Pennington says. "At the moment, our understanding of the current outbreak is similarly limited. For example, we don't yet understand why people are dying in Mexico but not elsewhere." Note: To watch two short commercials made in 1976 showing clear scare tactics, click here . Only one person died from the actual flu in this 1976 "epidemic," yet more than 30 died of the flu vaccine. To explore the serious risks of vaccines reported in the media, click here . For lots more on bird and swine flu scares, click here. _____ Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus 2009-02-27, Toronto Sun http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses. And an official of the World Health Organization's European operation said the body is closely monitoring the investigation into the events that took place at Baxter International's research facility. The contaminated product, a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 viruses, was supplied to an Austrian research company. The contamination incident ... came to light when the subcontractor in the Czech Republic inoculated ferrets with the product and they died. Ferrets shouldn't die from exposure to human H3N2 flu viruses. Public health authorities concerned about what has been described as a "serious error" on Baxter's part have assumed the death of the ferrets meant the H5N1 virus in the product was live. But the company, Baxter International Inc., has been parsimonious about the amount of information it has released about the event. On Friday, the company's director of global bioscience communications confirmed what scientists have suspected. "It was live," Christopher Bona said in an email. Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences. Note: How on earth did the avian flu virus ever get into vaccines? Could it be that this was planned? For a powerful book by a Harvard-trained dentist suggesting there may be a hidden force behind the spread of deadly infectious diseases, click here . For more revealing reports on bird flu, click here . _____ Case renews debate on vaccine-autism link 2008-03-05, CNN/Associated Press http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/03/05/autism.vaccines.ap/index.html Government health officials have conceded that childhood vaccines worsened a rare, underlying disorder that ultimately led to autism-like symptoms in a Georgia girl, and that she should be paid from a federal vaccine-injury fund. Thousands of families are seeking compensation for disabilities they attribute to vaccines and a preservative. Parents and advocates for autistic children see the case as a victory that may help certain others. "It's a beginning," said Kevin Conway, a Boston, Massachusetts, lawyer representing more than 1,200 families with vaccine injury claims. "Each case is going to have to be proved on its individual merits. But it shows to me that the government has conceded that it's biologically plausible for a vaccine to cause these injuries. They've never done it before." Nearly 5,000 families are seeking compensation for autism or other developmental disabilities they say are caused by vaccines and a mercury-based preservative, thimerosal. _____ A child's return from autism 2005-05-25, San Francisco Chronicle (San Francisco's leading newspaper) http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/05/25/BAGU0CU2K71.DTL A Lafayette couple, certain that chelation therapy has helped their autistic son, stepped squarely into the controversy surrounding the causes of autism and its treatment Tuesday as they joined 150 other parents in launching an international support group that will aggressively promote the treatment. The Handleys are now among a small minority of parents -- who, believing that the autism was caused by the mercury in thimerosal, a preservative that was routinely used in vaccines until recently -- are treating their children with chelation therapy, a lotion or pill that strips the body of heavy metals. It has been used for decades to detoxify people contaminated in industrial accidents, but no studies have proved whether it is an effective treatment for autism. For Jamie's parents, the proof they need is in front of them: Jamie, now 3 years old and several months into treatment, is plump and playing baseball. His smile has returned. The Handleys said the new support group, Generation Rescue, www.generationrescue.com, will offer information on chelation therapy and connect parents with those who can help. Note: For why the some powerful people may be covering up this important information, click here . _____ Former Marine Claims Illness From Mystery Vaccine 2007-05-07, WLWT-TV (Cincinnati, Ohio's NBC affiliate) http://www.wlwt.com/news/13271378/detail.html An alarming number of U.S. troops are having severe reactions to some of the vaccines they receive in preparation for going overseas. "This is the worst cover-up in the history of the military," said an unidentified military health officer who fears for his job. A shot from a syringe is leaving some U.S. servicemen and women on the brink of death. Lance Corporal David Fey, 20, has dialysis three days a week. His kidneys are failing, his military career is over, and he feels like his country abandoned him. Fey said he loved every minute of boot camp and combat training at 29 Palms in California. But on Nov. 28, 2005, his life would change forever. Fey was one of a group of Marines who lined up for an undisclosed shot. "After that shot, I started swelling up. I gained 30 pounds of water. My eyes swelled up where I couldn't see." Three weeks later, Fey was back in Clermont County on his death bed. Fey is one of a growing number of U.S. servicemen and women who are getting sick after receiving vaccines. And the ... Department of Defense medical officer .... said that the number is up in the thousands. The symptoms range from joint aches and pains and arthritic symptoms to death. _____ Texas Governor Defends Vaccine Order 2007-02-22, MSNBC/Associated Press http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?feed=AP &Date=2... Gov. Rick Perry on Thursday angrily defended his relationship with Merck & Co. and his executive order requiring that schoolgirls receive the drugmaker's vaccine against the sexually transmitted cervical-cancer virus. Perry's chief of staff had met with key aides about the vaccine on Oct. 16, the same day Merck's political action committee donated $5,000 to the governor's campaign. In issuing the order, the governor made Texas the first state to require the vaccine Gardasil for all schoolgirls. But many lawmakers have complained about his bypassing the Legislature altogether. The executive order has inflamed conservatives, who said it contradicts Texas' abstinence-only sexual education policies and intrudes into families' lives. Critics have previously questioned Perry's ties to Merck. Mike Toomey, Perry's former chief of staff, now lobbies for the drug company. And the governor accepted a total of $6,000 from Merck during his re-election campaign. Merck has waged a behind-the-scenes lobbying campaign to get state legislatures to require girls to get the three-dose vaccine to enroll in school. Note: The drug company lobby is the most powerful in the U.S., as reported by the former editor-in-chief of one of the most respected medical journals in the U.S. Click here for more. _____ Gardasil vaccine doubts grow 2008-08-11, Los Angeles Times http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-gardasil11-2008aug11,0,2921629.s... Though most medical organizations strongly advocate using the HPV vaccine, some doctors and parents ... are asking whether the vaccine's benefits really outweigh its costs. A report released in June stirred up more doubts. Although cause and effect were not proved, the report listed serious events -- such as seizures, spontaneous abortions and even deaths -- among teens, preteens and young women who had earlier had Gardasil shots. The report revealed that since the vaccine's 2006 approval, when girls began getting it, nearly 9,000 had bad health events after receiving Gardasil. The incidents included 10 miscarriages, 78 severe outbreaks of genital warts and six cases of Guillain-Barr? syndrome, an autoimmune disorder that can result in paralysis. There were also 18 reported deaths. _____ FDA warns Merck to fix vaccine plant problems 2008-04-30, San Francisco Chronicle/Associated Press http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/04/30/financial/f084419... The Food and Drug Administration has ordered Merck & Co. to correct numerous manufacturing deficiencies at its main vaccine plant. The agency ... released a warning letter sent to Merck's chief executive, Richard T. Clark, that states FDA inspectors determined manufacturing rules are not being followed at the plant in West Point, Pa., just outside Philadelphia. The plant, which recalled two vaccines in December over sterility problems, makes a number of children's vaccines and four for adults. The nine-page letter states FDA found "significant objectionable conditions" in the manufacture of vaccines and drug ingredients during repeated inspections from Nov. 26 to Jan. 17. According to the heavily redacted warning letter, Merck officials didn't thoroughly investigate when vaccine batches inexplicably failed to meet specifications, even if batches had been distributed, and some combination measles-mumps-rubella shots that failed "visual inspection for critical defects" were distributed anyway. _____ Fighting the Autism-Vaccine War 2008-04-10, US News and World Report http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/brain-and-behavior/2008/04/10/fighti... The independent Office of Special Masters of the Court of Federal Claims ? with a 20-year record of handling vaccine matters ? recently conceded that the brain damage and autistic behavior of Hannah Poling stemmed from her exposure as a toddler to five vaccinations on one day in July 2000. Two days later, she was overtaken by a high fever and an encephalopathy that deteriorated into autistic behavior. At some level, the decision was a vindication for families who have been battling with the vaccine community, arguing that some poorly understood reaction to components of vaccines or their mercury-based preservative, thimerosal, could cause brain injury. _____ Bird flu vaccine recommended 2007-02-28, Los Angeles Times http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-birdflu28feb28,1,454874... A federal advisory committee on Tuesday recommended approval of the first bird flu vaccine for humans, despite concerns about its safety and evidence that the shots won't protect most people. The government plans to buy and stockpile enough doses for 20 million people. [The] director of the FDA's vaccine office told the panel that the vaccine was a stopgap measure. "There are numerous vaccines under development that are potentially better than this one," he said. Some experts [are] worried about possible allergic reactions to the vaccine because it requires a massive dose ? 12 times that of the seasonal inoculation. Note: Who pays for and who profits from the purchase of these 20 million vaccine doses? It's pretty clear that the taxpayer covers the costs and the big drug companies make huge profits. Fear is quite useful for driving up profits. For lots more on profiteering from the avian flu, click here . _____ Chiron Gets Contract for Bird Flu Vaccine 2005-10-2, CBS/Associated Press http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/28/business/main990234.shtml A second manufacturer is beginning mass production of a vaccine to protect against bird flu, and the Senate moved Thursday to invest far more -- $8 billion -- on preparations in case the influenza strain ever sparks a worldwide epidemic. Before the Senate acted, Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt awarded a $62.5 million contract to Emeryville, Calif.-based Chiron Corp. to manufacture bird flu vaccine. The Bush administration is putting the final touches on its plan for how to fight the next super-flu ... amid growing concern that the H5N1 influenza strain spreading among birds from Asia to Europe could trigger a pandemic if it mutates into a form easily spread from person to person. The massive out-of-budget expenditure ... would increase stockpiles of the antiviral drugs Tamiflu and Relenza, thought to be effective against current strains of bird flu. Note: Isn't is interesting that over $60 million dollars (potentially $8 billion!) has been "awarded" for a vaccine against a bird flu that hasn't even mutated yet? How can they know that it will mutate and kill millions of people? How do we know these vaccines will work when it hasn't even mutated? Note also that the pharmaceutical industry, which manufactures vaccines, has the largest lobby in all Washington and is raking in huge profits. _____ What you can do: * Inform your media and political representatives of this important information. To contact those close to you, click here . 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URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sat May 16 18:37:43 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 17:37:43 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Foods to fight vision loss Message-ID: <000001c9d687$bd990160$38cb0420$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:31 AM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Foods to fight vision loss (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) Foods to fight vision loss http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/2414460/Foods-to-fight-vision-loss A new study suggests that older adults who eat diets rich in citrus fruits, leafy greens and fish oil, but low in "glycemic index," may have a lower risk of age-related macular degeneration - the leading cause of vision loss. AMD, also known as "age-related macular degeneration" refers to gradual damage to the macula, a structure in the retina that allows for seeing fine detail. The condition affects more than 1 million Americans, usually after the age of 65. A number of studies have suggested that individual nutrients, including the antioxidants lutein, vitamin C and vitamin E, can help protect against AMD. This latest study, published in the journal Ophthalmology, looked at the overall diet patterns of 4,000 older adults and the links to AMD risk. Researchers found that participants who tended to eat fish rich in omega-3 fatty acids, or foods high in vitamin C, vitamin E, zinc, lutein and zeaxanthin, had a relatively lower risk of AMD. Lutein and zeaxanthin are plant pigments that act as antioxidants; the nutrients are found in broccoli, spinach and other leafy green vegetables, as well as egg yolks. The study also found that diets containing foods with a low glycemic index, also appeared protective against AMD. Not surprisingly, older adults who combined all three dietary patterns showed a decreased AMD risk as well. Glycemic index (GI) refers to how rapidly a food causes blood sugar to rise. High-GI foods, like white bread and potatoes, tend to spur a quick elevation in blood sugar, while low-GI foods, such as lentils, soybeans, yogurt and many high-fiber grains, create a more gradual increase in blood sugar. The blood-sugar surges associated with high-GI diets may eventually damage the macula, explained lead researcher Dr. Chung-Jung Chiu, an assistant professor at Tufts University School of Medicine in Boston. That's because excess blood sugar interacts with other molecules, like fats and proteins, to form what are called glycated molecules, he told Reuters Health. This process, in turn, can put the body under more oxidative stress, which over time damages cells and may lead to various diseases, including AMD. Foods rich in nutrients that may ward off AMD -- including citrus fruits, leafy greens, oily fish like salmon and mackerel, and vegetable oils -- are also seen as beneficial for overall health. So it's a good idea to try to eat more of them, Chiu said. This is especially true for older adults, the researcher noted, since the body's "self-defense systems" generally decline with age. SOURCE: Ophthalmology, May 2009. From maryrose333 at att.net Sat May 16 19:44:31 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 18:44:31 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Sent to me..... Message-ID: <000d01c9d691$093351d0$1b99f570$@net> From: Nance ~ [mailto:planetnews8 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:13 PM Subject: Sent to me..... A heads up...I don't know who Ann is as yet??? N More information .... please read.... very critical! Civilian Grand Juries coming this week! Americans need to know. Thanks for this information which is really important. However, impeachment would remove him but leave the rest of the gang intact, like Holder, Emanuel, Geithner, etc. We are working on indicting him for fraud and treason. I'm on one of the Civilian Grand Juries this coming week and we will vote on 5/23 (this is a national civilian grand jury). Others have formed in several states and more coming on board. Some states have already formed, reviewed the massive amounts of information and voted to indict him. Lots more info for you here: http://www.americangrandjury.org (info on Civilian Grand Juries) http://www.riseupforamerica.com (all the tools needed to get on board and Bob Campbell is really helpful. His phone number is on the web site) http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1 (the attorney moving this forward). If he is indicted for fraud and treason, then everything he has done since Day 1 becomes null and void. Biden would stay in for three months until another election can be organized but everyone else he brought in will be out, some arrested right along with him. It would be wreak havoc, but nothing as destructive as what is happening now. Currently someone is also suing Congress for not vetting him properly...I can't remember the details and I can't get my fingers on the article, but I think it may be a governor. As lot of high ranking active duty and retired military personnel are supporting this 100% as they don't want to be taking orders from and illegal-alien, fraudulent commander-in-chief. (See attachment). If you want to be part of the civilian grand jury process, more people are certainly needed. Everything is done online, so no need to travel or miss work. All I know is I won't rest until he and his thugs are gone. If we don't get this done, we will wish we lived in Canada, but once he signs us on to the New World Order, there will no place on this planet to escape the misery. Again, thanks for the information. I will send it along to Dr. Taitz as she is amassing all the information she can to get this done. Ann Well, you may not know Nance who Ann is, but she is probably Dick Cheney/and or Karl Rove scared shitless because Obama is letting the investigation go forward into just who ordered the torture of prisoners. This is where it begins - the unraveling -- just as it did in Watergate - only the Bush cabal is in far deeper shit than was Nixon - the charges far worse. Texe Marrs knew exactly what he was doing when he released the article about the Jews owning Hollywood and where all the money is coming from to support AIPAC. And, when Obama is going after the corporations and trying to close the offshore tax havens they use to avoid paying taxes , along with going after AIPAC, revealing to all the Zionist Jews and how they operate and who they are in bed with, of course the shit is hitting the fan, and these criminals are going to try every way they can to make people think Obama is the problem in order to get him off their back. You know I posted this before, but it's obvious from the article below that what the Israelis are really after is the oil and gas owned by the Palestinians. http://www.daily.pk/world/middle-east/10082-war-and-natural-gas-the-israeli- And, of course, Alex Jones is going to go after Obama if he wants to keep his job on the Jewish-Zionist owned Fox News station. From: Nance ~ [mailto:planetnews8 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:13 PM Subject: Sent to me..... A heads up...I don't know who Ann is as yet??? N More information .... please read.... very critical! Civilian Grand Juries coming this week! Americans need to know. Thanks for this information which is really important. However, impeachment would remove him but leave the rest of the gang intact, like Holder, Emanuel, Geithner, etc. We are working on indicting him for fraud and treason. I'm on one of the Civilian Grand Juries this coming week and we will vote on 5/23 (this is a national civilian grand jury). Others have formed in several states and more coming on board. Some states have already formed, reviewed the massive amounts of information and voted to indict him. Lots more info for you here: http://www.americangrandjury.org (info on Civilian Grand Juries) http://www.riseupforamerica.com (all the tools needed to get on board and Bob Campbell is really helpful. His phone number is on the web site) http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1 (the attorney moving this forward). If he is indicted for fraud and treason, then everything he has done since Day 1 becomes null and void. Biden would stay in for three months until another election can be organized but everyone else he brought in will be out, some arrested right along with him. It would be wreak havoc, but nothing as destructive as what is happening now. Currently someone is also suing Congress for not vetting him properly...I can't remember the details and I can't get my fingers on the article, but I think it may be a governor. As lot of high ranking active duty and retired military personnel are supporting this 100% as they don't want to be taking orders from and illegal-alien, fraudulent commander-in-chief. (See attachment). If you want to be part of the civilian grand jury process, more people are certainly needed. Everything is done online, so no need to travel or miss work. All I know is I won't rest until he and his thugs are gone. If we don't get this done, we will wish we lived in Canada, but once he signs us on to the New World Order, there will no place on this planet to escape the misery. Again, thanks for the information. I will send it along to Dr. Taitz as she is amassing all the information she can to get this done. Ann -- -- NUTRAZON... Instantly Balance Right & Left Hemispheres of Brain, Bringing Body into Immediate Homeostasis for Maximum Self-Healing Potential!: http://www.TeamOneWellness.com; then: http://www.2ProsperWell.com ------------ Cinnamon 6... Coral Complex... Holy Tea... The Whole Wellness Club... www.ProsperTea.com ------------ RESVERATROL...! www.REJENX.com ID 4282 ------------ Nancy & Earle Belle 949-200-7335 800-873-1620 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk Sun May 17 05:53:43 2009 From: dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk (robert searle) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:53:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GJM] How Credit Default Swaps could reverse the Economy Recorvery. Message-ID: <843230.81856.qm@web27405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Sponsored Link: The secret to protecting your wealth in this financial crisis How Credit Default Swaps Could Reverse the Economic Recovery By Shah Gilani Contributing Editor Money Morning While the entire U.S. housing market was on the verge of collapse and corporate America was being systemically undermined, regulators purposely looked the other way. Why would they do this? The truth is that U.S. regulators believed the American public couldn?t handle the truth that what had been allowed to happen, on their watch, was actually happening. Unfortunately, we now face the same situation with credit default swaps, a derivative security that has the ability to destroy otherwise healthy companies with the virulence of a full-blown plague. Until the American public understands this, and forces the government to take action, the odds of a repeat performance of what we refer to as the global financial crisis remain very high. This is not an ?Origin of the Species? seminal epic. Rather, it is a short story about the failure of evolutionists to recognize that, while creationism actually starts somewhere, it is actually the failure of regulators to evolve as institutions and markets change that makes monkeys of us all. Let?s start by looking at the Federal Housing Finance Authority (FHFA), the current regulator of Fannie Mae (NYSE: FNM) and Freddie Mac (NYSE: FRE), two players who were central to the start of the U.S. housing crisis, which became the contagion that grew into a full-blown global crisis. It?s bad enough that the regulators who came before the FHFA were inept, but what is happening now under the FHFA is far worse, and actually has the potential to exacerbate a crisis that most taxpayers believe is being resolved. For more than six months, the U.S. Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) have been investigating the accounting practices of the two mortgage behemoths. And now the FBI has gotten into the act. It seems that, not long ago, the FHFA hired renowned investigative firm Kroll Inc. [One of the powerful, one-named, spook-like firms ? not unlike Blackwater Security Consulting ? Kroll is a unit of New York-based insurance powerhouse and ?risk advisor? Marsh & McLennan Cos. Inc. (NYSE: MMC)]. Kroll?s confidential report to the FHFA concluded that ?inappropriate application? of accounting rules ?enabled Freddie to defer billions of dollars of losses incurred from 2001 through 2004.? The source of those losses, according to a Wall Street Journal article, was derivative contracts based on interest-rate swaps. What?s the big deal you ask? While it?s no surprise that Freddie used an inappropriate set of rules ? known as ?hedge accounting? ? to stretch out losses over several years, rather than just take immediate hits to its profit-and-loss statement, what is frightening is that the FHFA, after hiring Kroll and uncovering the accounting inaccuracies, said it had decided ?not to take issue with the accounting,? the Journal reported. The FHFA labeled it as a ?disagreement among the experts.? Call it what you want, but I call it fraud. Here?s the problem. Fannie and Freddie are incredibly ?fragile? right now (the correct financial term is probably ?insolvent?). That means that the very two institutions being used by government to halt the catastrophic slide of the U.S. housing industry are so crucial to the bailout of the mortgage industry that to force these two institutions to write off more losses would only spook the financial markets even further. As large as Freddie and Fannie are in the U.S. housing and mortgage markets, even their combined portfolio value ? estimated at about $13 trillion ? is dwarfed by an exponentially larger and even more insidious monster running over regulators like they?re not there. I?m talking about the $40 trillion stranglehold that the credit default swap market has on corporations all around the world. Credit default swaps brought insurance giant American International Group Inc. (NYSE: AIG) to its knees. It was also one of the key catalysts that helped transform a housing bubble into a full-blown global financial crisis. But here?s the rub: After all that, credit default swaps still aren?t regulated. Of course that doesn?t mean that regulators don?t try and insert a hand here and there, it just means that the hand they insert has been feeding the monster rather than taming it. But, just recently, a good faith public relations effort was made to show the new interest the revitalized SEC has in reining in the monster from Hades. Sign up below? and we?ll send you a new investment report for free: ?Credit Crisis Report.? In what amounts to a minor case with major worldwide implications, the SEC has brought insider trading allegations against a credit default swap trader and his source of inside information. It is alleged that Renato Negrin, formerly a trader at hedge fund Millennium Partners LP, received inside information from Jon-Paul Rorech, a salesman at Deutsche Bank AG (NYSE: DB). Supposedly, Rorech provided inside information to Negrin about the potential value of certain credits of VNU NV, a Dutch holding company that owns Nielsen Media and other media businesses It doesn?t matter that Negrin no longer works at Millennium, or that both men say they are innocent, or that the alleged ill-begotten gain was a measly $1.2 million, or that the two men?s lawyers say the SEC has no jurisdiction over derivative contracts, period ? let alone derivative contracts tied to European bonds. What matters is that the SEC has finally put its toe into the muck. According to ABC News, it?s the first insider-trading case involving credit default swaps Nothing may come of it. But I, for one, will be watching. It strikes me as tragically ironic that after the credit-default-swap market has been allowed to grow from a few wispy hairs into the tail that wags the dog, the SEC is just now trying to be more than a flea on the tail of this monster. The real reason we are not hearing more about the catastrophic systemic danger unleashed by credit default swaps is that even the regulators who would like to be overseeing this huge market ? if for no other reason than for the regulatory-driven fee income these securities could generate ? are afraid to admit this market is still poised to unleash a capitalist plague unlike any that?s ever been seen. Just as we saw with the role Fannie and Freddie played in the housing market, the credit default swap market has gotten so large and out of control that to admit there is a problem is to admit that the problem is so big and will be so difficult to unwind that the threat can?t be thwarted anytime soon. But until the public recognizes that credit default swaps can be used to manipulate the credit characteristics, ratings and creditworthiness of corporate borrowers ? and also be used to intentionally push down stock prices in a way that destroys good companies, this derivative security will continue to hang over Corporate America and the U.S. stock market like a capitalist sword of Damocles. It happened with AIG. And it can easily happen again. The tarnish dulling the prospects of America?s recovery needs to be wiped clean and in its place clear transparency into the workings of the U.S. financial markets needs to be implemented. It?s bad enough that we are in this mess and afraid to admit how deep the hole is. But one thing is for sure, if we don?t create a level playing field, if we don?t expose fraud, if we don?t rein in swashbuckling traders slicing and dicing up America?s corporate backbone, we will discover that this particular hole is bottomless. But if we?re honest about the problems we still face ? as well as what needs to be done ? we will find that everyone can see a clear path to steer, and will navigate our way back to economic high ground. Our leaders might be surprised, if they would only accept one From releyes at gmail.com Wed May 13 16:01:10 2009 From: releyes at gmail.com (Dr. Rima Laibow) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:01:10 -0500 Subject: [GJM] Both of good will In-Reply-To: <00c301c9d413$11635740$0301a8c0@your447023ae6b> References: <005801c9d2b9$7c9e1f50$75da5df0$@net> <503a10ac0905120125y61e514en1c16f3a619faf7cb@mail.gmail.com> <00c301c9d413$11635740$0301a8c0@your447023ae6b> Message-ID: <503a10ac0905131501g82acb90g491cb39ce72f1d96@mail.gmail.com> Thanks. Much appreciated. Dr. Rima On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Rodney Shakespeare < rodney.shakespeare1 at btopenworld.com> wrote: > Dear Rima and Mary, > You are both people of good will and good intent; are remarkably brave; and > have greatly stimulated and informed our minds. > > We are all grateful to you. > > Rodney Shakespeare. > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net > > http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Akhundzadeh Date: Mon, May 11, 2009 at 10:45 PM Subject: Know What God's Last book; Qur'an Teaches about Jesus and Mary (Peace & blessings be upon both To: ceasig at gmail.com, f.ahmed3 at pgrad.unimelb.edu.au, n.masum at pgrad.unimelb.edu.au, nmuhammadm at yahoo.com *Hi, peace and blessings of Almighty Creator of You and me and the universe be upon you and your family, * Please know: What God's Last book; Qur'an Teaches about Jesus and Mary (Peace & blessings be upon both) Please Read Qur'an on-line with translation With the name of the Almighty God, Creator of Adam, you and me, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful. May Almighty God bless you! I respectfully call you towards exploration of teachings of Quran: the Last Book from the Almighty Creator sent to his chosen man ; Muhammad son of Abdullah descendant of Abraham and Ishmael through the Angel Gabriel after around 600 hundred year of Gospel revealed to the Prophet Jesus son of Virgin Mary (peace and blessings upon them). Literally Islam means path of submission to the Creator and Muslim means who submits his will to the Almighty. God is only one and only worthy to be worshiped , to be praised and from Him only we can sought forgiveness directly. He is the sender of His prophets to mankind for guidance. Noah, Abraham, Josef, Moses, Zakaria, Jesus and Lastly Mohammad were all His chosen man and prophets. All the prophets of God have taught same message , the message of Submission to Your creator and worship Him only, Love to mankind, He is most merciful and gracious. All man and women are equal , black, white, brown or yellow, Arab, African or non African, but only better who is most pious, God fearing and loving to mankind. Women has rights over man and man has rights over woman. click here to know more. There is no original sin. This world is for deeds (bad & Good) but life hereafter is place of result and bounties from Allah. Whatever we will do in this world we will be asked by God excepts He forgives us. *Introduction& Meanings of Islam & Concept of God (clik to follow link) Quran's Teachings about Jesus (peace and blessings of God almighty upon him) * Special Request: I also humbly request that you should pray to your Lord before sleeping three times for three to seven days " O My God please let me understand your true path whatsoever is? and I love you my God of the Universe, I seek your refuge from the Satan, please help me". Moreover, in order to express Islamic system of belief, I bear witness that Almighty Creator, the God of Abraham, Jesus, Moses and Muhammad is only one and only worthy to be worshiped. and also bear witness that Prophet Abraham, Prophet Moses, Prophet Jesus, the son of Virgin Mary and Last prophet Muhammad are messengers and prophets of Almighty God for the guidance of mankind to show straight path of submission to the Almighty Lord. May the Almighty Creator worthy of Worship Bless you and your family. *I am enclosing some useful links and invite you to read .* *Yes Muslims Believe in Jesus (Peace and blessings of Almighty God be upon him)* Read Qur'an on-line with translation: Concept of God in Islam Introduction to Islam/ What is Islam *Why an Ex-Priest accepted Islam : How He Became Muslim* (read the though process) *Former Jehovah's Witness "pioneer minister" came to Islam.* ** *How Cate Stevon Formar Pop singer embraced Islam* More Stories of New Muslims I ... Many More Stories of New Muslims II Rights and responsibilities of Women in Islam Master List of Islam Resources on Islamic Topics "Gaining Knowledge is foundation of Wisdom and the Most Important aspect of Wisdom is fearing of Lord : the Creator and the most Beneficent The Most Merciful." A few verses from the holy Quran recitation are attached here also for your kind consideration. If you want to listen more please *click here. * or you want to get free soft of hard copy of Holy Quran please c*lick here* * * May Almighty God Bless you here and hereafter and give us Paradise in life after Life Your brother in humanity Esa Abrahim *http://islam100 .wordpress.com (Top 100 websites on Islam) * Unsubscribe | Change Email Address | Click the unsubscribe link above to be removed from our email program, or send your request Calling Islam Address: 1601 North Palm Ave. Suite #203 Pembroke Pines FL 33026 USA info at callingislam.com (954) 272-0490 and (888) 475-2655 (954) 272-0491 http://www.callingislam.com -- M. 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With no aircooler, airconditioning, I save energy, though my wife is persuading me to get an aircooler by the she returns in July with 'Inshaallah' (God willing) my third baby. Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:39 AM, mary rose wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net > [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of > TradingPostPaul > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:08 PM > To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net > Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Foreclosures: 'April was a shocker' > > > (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to > http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) > > Foreclosures: 'April was a shocker' > A record number of foreclosure filings took place during April, but the > number of repossessions fell 11%. > > http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/13/real_estate/April_foreclosure_stats/index.ht > m > Last Updated: May 13, 2009: 5:11 PM ET > > NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Foreclosures in April exceeded even March's > blistering pace with a record 342,000 homes receiving notices of default, > auction notices or undergoing bank repossessions, according to a regular > industry report. > > One of every 374 U.S. homes received a filing during the month, the highest > monthly rate that RealtyTrac, an online marketer of foreclosed properties, > has recorded in four-plus years of record keeping. > > "April was a shocker," said Rick Sharga, a spokesman for RealtyTrac. "I > would have bet on a dip because March foreclosures were so high." > > Instead, filings inched up 1% from March and rose 32% compared to April > 2008. > > There were 63,900 bank repossessions, the last stop in the foreclosure > process. More than 1.3 million homes have now been lost to foreclosure > since the market meltdown began in August 2007. > > The increasing foreclosures will force RealtyTrac to rethink its forecasts, > according to Sharga. "We had been predicting 3.4 million filings for the > year," he said, "but we'll blow those numbers out of the water." > > The lion's share of April's filings were in the early stages of the > process, such as notices of default, according to James Saccacio, > RealtyTrac's CEO. > > Bank repossessions actually fell 11% for the month, compared with March. > That's due, according to Saccacio, to the many legislative and company > moratoriums that have prevented the foreclosure process from starting on > delinquent loans. > > Because fewer loans entered the process in past months, there were fewer > getting all the way to repossession. But now that those moratoriums are > over, the volume of foreclosure filings is increasing. > > "It's likely that we'll see a corresponding spike in [repossessed > properties] as these loans move through the foreclosure process over the > next few months," Saccacio said in a prepared statement. > > Ten states accounted for 75% of all foreclosure activity, and they fell > generally into two categories: one-time bubble markets and the Rust Belt. > > California easily outpaced every other state with with 96,560 filings. > Other hard-hit former boom states were Florida, Nevada and Arizona. > > Those Rust Belts states with the most filings were Illinois, Ohio and > Michigan. > > Georgia, Texas and Virginia filled out the rest of the top 10 list. > > Nevada, with one filing for every 68 households, had the highest > foreclosure rate in the land. Florida, with one for every 135 households, > ranked second; and California, with one for every 138, was third. > > Las Vegas continued to be the worst-hit metro area. It had more than 14,000 > filings in April, one for every 56 households and 20% more than in March. > > The Cape Coral-Fort Myers, Fla., area was second with one in 57, a 31% > month-over-month rise. Merced, Calif., where home prices have plunged > almost two-thirds from their peak, had the third-highest rate. > > Five other California metro areas ranked in the top 10: Modesto was fourth, > Riverside-San Bernardino fifth, Bakersfield sixth, Vallejo seventh and > Stockton eighth. Miami and Orlando rounded out the list. > > Raised expectations > > Not helping, of course, is the steady erosion of home prices. The National > Association of Realtors reported record home price losses Tuesday. > > "[The home price decline] will lead to more foreclosures," said Mike > Larson, a real estate analyst for Weiss Research. > > The loss of home value put many more mortgage borrowers underwater, meaning > they owe more on their loans than their homes are worth. That increases > foreclosure rates in two ways: Underwater borrowers have no home equity to > draw on to pay for unexpected expenses such as big medical bills or major > car or home repairs. That's makes them more likely to miss payments. And > when home values fall far below mortgage balances, homeowners often walk > away from their loans. > > "There has been much more 'deed-in-lieu-of foreclosure' activity lately," > said Sharga. This is a transaction in which borrowers simply tell their > banks that they're not going to pay their mortgage and hand back their > keys, and deeds, to their lenders. > > "People are making the rational financial decision to walk away from > underwater homes," he said. > > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net > > http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net > -- Endeavoring for ecological safety ,social inclusion and distributive justice for the renewable resource based livelihoods and habitats, Centre For Ecological Audit, Social Inclusion and Governance (CEASIG) , an initiative of Labour League Foundation, Sewa and Sufi Trust , Delhi aims for socially inclusive and ecologically safe future for all through organizing and communicating fcarbon neutral neighborhood discussions/ consultations, building capacities in ecological audit, ecologically safe networking ,advocacy, interfaith dialogue & other related domains for multiplying personal, community , governmental and corporate actions for ecologically safe education, ecological audit ,and, ecologically safe and socially inclusive governance best practices Contact Details: 58-C,DDA Flats, Ashok Vihar-III, Delhi-110052 Phones: 9968345380,9210490942 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ceasig at gmail.com Fri May 15 23:39:23 2009 From: ceasig at gmail.com (Centre For Ecological Audit, Social Inclusion & Governance) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:09:23 +0530 Subject: [GJM] A new dawning - In-Reply-To: <004c01c9d582$5bb25b50$131711f0$@net> References: <004c01c9d582$5bb25b50$131711f0$@net> Message-ID: <31f677a30905152239ibc8cb6dx14c744a24ea7dfaa@mail.gmail.com> Dear Mary, Greetings for peace, With praises to the Almighty and benidictions for the messengers, I would like to share that I could not go beyond the flash page of the website http://www.futuredawning.org/ Also, I think the e-powered tools are energy intenstive and there is no guaruntee for supply of energy for all the 6 billions to get on and 'twitter'. Let us not get much overawed with technology as they are mere adjunts. Simple living /ecologically safe living is an outcome of patience, contentment,justice with oneself in living to survive rather than to 'own' and show off that appears to be the key mantra communicaed through the media organisations. Mail Today, carried a feature of bikini show that is ecologically hostile event as there is absolutely no justification for all this expenditure involved. Also the immoral actions of women inshowing off their body has been condoned , we know by whom. Twittering, facebooking are mere tools that would not last long. Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:56 PM, mary rose wrote: > Dear Friends, > > > > As many of you know, one of the main reasons for putting up the Future > Dawning website is to reach more people with the type of discussions we have > had here on the Co-learner?s list over what is now 12 years, in order to > open our minds to new knowledge and the many unlimited possibilities which > lie before us if only we are open to them. > > > > I am convinced that energy is ?information in motion?. Thus, we need to be > continually open to taking new information into our system(s) in order to > keep the human family system moving efficiently. Just as the parts in our > auto-vehicle transportation systems break down from both mis- and over-use, > so does the human system. And, new information is the ?life-blood? of any > system ? keeping it oiled and vibrant. > > > > So, having to practice what I preach and walk my talk in this respect. > Joelle de Lespinois, our web designer as well as one of the founding > members, has already set up a blog system, -- in fact she did it months ago > ? but I?ve been lolly-gagging along reluctant, like many others, to leave > the old way behind and move into the new. The funny thing is, now that I am > ready to make this move, I just read that blogging may be a thing of the > past ? and I am forced to ask ?is Twitter taking its place, and in order to > keep up, am I going to be forced to Twitter away my time as well?? > > > > Am glad that the launching of Future Dawning forced me out of a rut, and we > are now into the ?social networking scene,? joining up with 200 million > Friends on Facebook as a new way of conducting relationships takes place > including business ones . But, it really isn?t business anymore and I don?t > have a word as yet to label it so we can distinguish the new from the old. > But I can tell you that something different is quickly happening as this new > information exchange modality brings more people into the vortex where the > possible number of dynamics taking place at one time is phenomenal. We are > now nearing warp speed and my head is swirling with the potential that lies > within this quickly flowing information stream . . . > > > > Will still be sending out notices to the Co-learner?s List when a new blog > is posted. And, also forwarding newsletters like ?Spiritcrossing,? along > with the Global Coherence and Mind Shift notices. We?ll also be creating > our own media releases from the Crystal Clearwater Alliance Portal and > Pathway on Future Dawning and conducting webinars and other events as we > grow and get into the same league as Holodynamics, Institute of Heart Math, > etc. But no more discussions will take place. > > > > Need a short break to clean up the glut on my computer and around the house > before getting into this new realm, so will be a couple weeks before we get > this new gig going. > > > > In the years we have been together, I have learned so much and could not > have done it without all those who have participated on this list. You have > been my inspiration to grow and move on. . . And, as always, am so > greatfull to Vern Woolf, who held my hand through the formative years of > leaving convention behind and daring to be unconventionally and sometimes > daringly different as I ran the gauntlet out of the matrix. Although i get > the feeling this gauntlet run may have no end in sight as the ?past > collective? fears leaving its comfort zone and cutting new paths. > > > > > But, here?s to growth, open mindedness, and the Future Dawning. I love > adventure . . . > > > > With love and appreciation > > Mary Rose > > > > > > FutureDawning.org > > *Mary Rose* > dustysummerrose at gmail.com > > *Always have my latest info* > > *Want a signature like this?* > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net > > http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net > > -- Endeavoring for ecological safety ,social inclusion and distributive justice for the renewable resource based livelihoods and habitats, Centre For Ecological Audit, Social Inclusion and Governance (CEASIG) , an initiative of Labour League Foundation, Sewa and Sufi Trust , Delhi aims for socially inclusive and ecologically safe future for all through organizing and communicating fcarbon neutral neighborhood discussions/ consultations, building capacities in ecological audit, ecologically safe networking ,advocacy, interfaith dialogue & other related domains for multiplying personal, community , governmental and corporate actions for ecologically safe education, ecological audit ,and, ecologically safe and socially inclusive governance best practices Contact Details: 58-C,DDA Flats, Ashok Vihar-III, Delhi-110052 Phones: 9968345380,9210490942 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ceasig at gmail.com Sun May 17 07:58:18 2009 From: ceasig at gmail.com (Centre For Ecological Audit, Social Inclusion & Governance) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 19:28:18 +0530 Subject: [GJM] "Richard Posner 'Writes the Preamble' to the 28th Amendment for Financial Safety" [CITS DEBT WATCH] In-Reply-To: <4A0ED31F.18C6@mit.edu> References: <4A0ED31F.18C6@mit.edu> Message-ID: <31f677a30905170658v6948f27ck6e561b5630d46158@mail.gmail.com> Dear Mr. Curtiss Preiest, I would like to read all the propositions in detail. But , I believe your propositions include concern for eliminating usurious debt based ecologically hostile generation of money reponsible for all the misery both in the urban and rural areas across the world. In solidarity for making the finance system socially, globally equitable and ecologically safe. I would like to invite you to a presentation of mine in this regard posted at http://slideshare.net/mukhtaralam.net I would be grateful, if you could look in my proposal for establishing the discipline of *Ecostrategics posted at the above link.* ** *Looking forward to your comments. Centre For Ecological Audit, Social and Governance would like to collaborate for the needful work in this regard.* ** *With warmest regards and best wishes* Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam On 5/16/09, W. Curtiss Priest wrote: > > ** best viewed in Courier font ** > > W. Curtiss Priest, Ph.D. > Center for Information, Technology & Society > 466 Pleasant Street Melrose, MA 02176 > E-mail: BMSLIB at MIT.EDU, Voice: 781-662-4044 > > > May 16, 2009 > > Public Issue #136: > > CITS CAPITAL & DEBT WATCH > > "Richard Posner 'Writes the Preamble' to the 28th Amendment > for Financial Safety" > > Commentary by Dr. W. Curtiss Priest, Director: > > Some readers will recall several issues of this newsletter > where I discuss a proposed 28th Amendment to the US Constitution > to provide "Financial Safety" for future generations. > > That proposal has a permanent home: > > http://cybertrails.org/DEBAME28.TXT > > and is also copied below. > > As well intentioned folk are attempting to thwart the forces > that have caused what I call the "Greater Depression," I > gain courage to read that Posner, also, does not refrain > from "flaunt[ing] the D-word." > > It is not that we don't wish the current contraction to > be, yet, just another recession, but, as Posner describes > (below), this is not just another recession. It has > arisen out of forces far deeper and systemic than another > relatively brief recession. > > And, as Posner also states, "the time for that [an overhaul > of the system of financial regulation] is not now, in the heat > of a crisis." > > So, we 'elders,' wanting to prevent horrific depressions and > their misery, are patiently waiting on the side-lines, ignoring > the noise and confusion that currently exists. So, Posner's > new book, "A Failure of Capitalism" is before its time, as > is our proposal for the 28th Amendment for Financial Safety. > > Regardless, I wish to sincerely thank Jonathan Rauch of the > National Journal and the Brookings Institution, for his review > of Posner's book, and for writing what I find to be the Preamble > to our proposal. In that spirit, I merge his review, > appearing tomorrow in the Sunday New York Times, with our > proposal, to provide insight for those interested in understand- > ing how and why we propose what we have. > > Kindly forward this newsletter to friends and whoever you > believe might benefit from our perspective. Thank you. > > W. Curtiss Priest > Editor, CITS Capital & Debt Watch > Principal Research Associate Emeritus, MIT > Member, American Economics Association > > ********************************************************************** > NOTICE: Contains copyrighted material. > > As provided for under Section 107 of the 1976 Copyright Law, the > following piece is being distributed for non-profit purposes and for > comment, criticism, and teaching. In cases where the purpose of > conveying information is to fully inform the reader, an entire entry > or article is reproduced. However, these extracts are typically a > very small percentage of the overall original work or publication. > > Should you wish to convey this material, in the same spirit, you are > free to do so. > > ****************************Advertisement***************************** > Subscriptions to the New York Times Book Review > 800-631-2580 > ****************************Advertisement***************************** > > "Preamble to the 28th Amendment:" > > Capitalism's Fault Lines > > Richard A. Posner takes the recessionary onus off Wall Street, > Washington and Main Street and puts it on the system. > > by Jonathan Rauch > > *** > A FAILURE OF CAPITALISM > The Crisis of '08 and the Descent Into Depression. > By Richard A. Posner. > 346 pp. Harvard University Press. $23.95. > *** > > "THIS recession," President Obama said recently, "was not caused by a > normal downturn in the business cycle. It was caused by a perfect > storm of irresponsibility and poor decision-making that stretched from > Wall Street to Washington to Main Street." Richard A. Posner is having > none of it. A perfect storm, yes: but a storm of responsibility and > reasonable decision-making. The Crash of '08 happened because > businesspeople and consumers did what markets and society expect them > to do. Don't blame capitalists or, for the most part, government. > Blame capitalism. > > It comes as something of a surprise that Posner, a doyen of the > market-oriented law-and-economics movement, should deliver a > roundhouse punch to the proposition that markets are self-correcting. > It might also seem odd that a federal appellate judge (and University > of Chicago law lecturer) would be among the first out of the gate with > a comprehensive book on the financial crisis -- if, that is, the judge > were any other judge. But Posner is the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan's > successor as the country's most omnivorous and independent-minded > public intellectual. By now, his dozens of books just about fill their > own wing in the Library of Congress. > > In "Catastrophe: Risk and Response" (2004), he took up the problem of > low probability, high-impact events. The financial meltdown certainly > qualifies. In this compact and bracingly lucid volume, he offers a > simple, but not simplistic, primer: "a concise, constructive, > jargon and acronym-free, nontechnical, unsensational, > light-on-anecdote, analytical examination of the major facets of the > biggest U.S. economic disaster in my lifetime and that of most people > living today." > > If you read the newspapers, you will not see much in "A Failure of > Capitalism" by way of unfamiliar particulars. Cheap money and an > inrush of foreign capital fueled a lending boom, which poured credit > into the housing market. As prices went up, up, up, even risky > mortgages seemed safe and everyone piled in, including banks. > Financiers relied on securitization and complicated financial > instruments to dilute the attendant risk, but the result was to spread > that risk through the financial system, making it impossible to > locate. When the housing bubble popped, everyone was holding bad > debt, but no one was sure how bad or even how much. With banks > suddenly looking undercapitalized, lenders stopped lending and > started selling assets to raise cash. The faster everyone > ran for the exits, the faster asset prices fell, dragging banks' > balance sheets down with them. Credit markets seized up, > depressing the economy, causing more mortgage defaults and asset- > price deflation, further weakening banks, further paralyzing > credit, depressing the economy still more. . . . Repeat ad nauseam. > > You know that story, and Posner tells it well, with a particular flair > for showing how dozens of moving parts interacted. Being Richard > Posner, however, he is not content to be an amiable guide through the > thicket. His real interest is in finding and detonating grenades in > the underbrush. > > One is right there on the title page, which flaunts the D-word. The > current crisis, Posner maintains, is a depression. True, it is not (we > hope) a great depression. But the typical postwar recession is a > partly self-correcting disinflationary contraction that soon subsides, > often leaving the economy healthier. The present downturn is a > self-sustaining deflationary contraction whose costly aftereffects > will linger for years. The Great Depression led to World War II. > Today's depression presumably won't be that bad, but it may cause a > huge loss of output, an immense increase in the national debt, a swing > to excessive regulation, a nasty bout of inflation, a decline in > America's economic and geopolitical power, and increased political > instability abroad. > > A typical recession is a market correction, usually of inflation or > other economic imbalances; a depression is a market failure. And it is > a failure (here is grenade No. 2) that the market is powerless to > prevent. "An interrelated system of financial intermediaries" -- a > banking system, broadly defined -- "is inherently unstable," Posner > writes. Think of it as "a kind of epileptic, subject to unpredictable, > strange seizures." > > Populists and libertarians will hate this book, though I wouldn't want > to predict which group will hate it more. A perfect storm of > irresponsibility? Hardly. The crisis came about precisely because > intelligent businesses and consumers followed market signals. "The > mistakes were systemic -- the product of the nature of the banking > business in an environment shaped by low interest rates and > deregulation rather than the antics of crooks and fools." > > Were a lot of people reckless and stupid? Of course! But that cannot > explain why the whole system crashed, since a lot of people are always > reckless and stupid. The problem, fundamentally, is that markets > cannot, and rationally should not, anticipate their own collapse. "A > depression is too remote an event to influence business behavior." Any > single business can rationally guard against its own bankruptcy, but > not the simultaneous bankruptcy of everybody else. The > profit-maximizing businessman rationally ignores small probabilities > that his conduct in conjunction with that of his competitors may bring > down the entire economy." > > [PICTURE] > On the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, Sept. 16, 2008. > > During the housing bubble, for example, sitting out the mortgage boom > meant forgoing large profits. "Even if you know you're riding a bubble > and are scared to be doing so," Posner writes, "it is difficult to > climb off without paying a big price." So people made decisions that > were individually rational but collectively irrational. To see the > crisis through populist spectacles, as President Obama does when he > attributes it to "irresponsibility," is to misunderstand the whole > problem by blaming capitalists for a failure of capitalism > > And so -- here is the part libertarians will hate -- markets, entirely > of their own accord, will sometimes capsize and be unable to right > themselves completely for years at a stretch. (See: Japan, "lost > decade" of.) Nor can monetary policy be counted on to counteract > markets' tippy tendencies, as so many economists had come to believe. > > Alas, economists and policy makers got cocksure. They thought they had > consigned depression to history. As a result they missed warning signs > and failed to prepare for the worst. "We are learning," Posner writes, > "that we need a more active and intelligent government to keep our > model of a capitalist economy from running off the rails." > > By doing what, exactly? Posner thinks laissez-faire economics has > nothing relevant to say. The rest of the economics profession is all > over the map. The system of financial regulation will need an > overhaul, but Posner argues that the time for that it is not now, in > the heat of crisis. Anyway, no one is sure what to do. He > halfheartedly suggests a few reforms but concedes they are "pretty > small beer." If pressed, I suspect, he might also acknowledge some > 20-20 hindsight in his insistence that the government should have > prepared for an event that hardly anyone thought possible. > > [highlight] > > The Crash of 'O8 happened, Posner says, because people did what > markets and society expect them to do. > > By the last page, not a single lazy generalization has survived > Posner's merciless scrutiny, not one populist cliche remains standing. > "A Failure of Capitalism" clears away whole forests of cant but leaves > readers at a loss as to where to go from. here. In other words, it is > only a starting point -- but an indispensable one. > > THE NEW YORK TIMES BOOK REVIEW 11 > Sunday, May 17, 2009 > > Jonathan Rauch is a senior writer with National Journal and a guest > scholar at the Brookings Institution. > > Note: this copyrighted material is being forwarded under > "fair use" Section 107(a) of the U.S. Copyright Act for > non-commercial purposes and to a designated audience at > the "teachable moment." > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > The 28th Amendment to Solve, Finally, a Major > Defect to Current Capitalism: > Manias, Panics and Crashes > Proposed Amendment first published May, 2007 > The 4th Branch of the US for Financial Safety > W. Curtiss Priest, Ph.D. > Editor, CITS Capital & Debt Watch > Reissued: 2/20/2008, 4/16/2009, 5/7/2009 > > Preface: a US Constitutional Amendment for Financial Safety > > As readers know from my prior newsletters(1), I am quite sure there is > little to be done to provide any remedy for our current US/World > predicament, as, the time to have provided the remedy was starting > about 30 years ago, when the first little flames of unsafe financial > practices began, and then by using a repeated pattern of snuffing them > out, just as they become visible to folk well trained to see such > flames. > > So I speak here anyone interested in contemplating the remedy to > prevent *all* future crashes, and it is not what my MIT colleague, > Kindleberger(2) imagined -- as keeping "the lender of last resort" > hidden and elusive. That didn't work -- indeed, that lender was so > elusive and dumb as to repeatedly invite greater and greater hazard. > > In this article I've pulled together an edited statement of our > proposed 28th Amendment for the 4th Branch of the Federal Government > for Financial Safety (and it is somewhat like what Elizabeth Warren(3) > has proposed, except she suggests it be a "Commission" and I say why > that also is unlikely to work, as a commission). > > W. Curtiss Priest, Ph.D. > Editor, CITS Capital & Debt Watch > Principal Research Associate Emeritus, MIT > Member, American Economics Association > > (1) CITS Capital & Debt Watch: issues and responses > http://www.google.com/groups?q=cits+debt+watch > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=cits+debt+watch > (2) Charles P. Kindleberger, Manias, Panics, and Crashes: A History of > Financial Crises. New York: Basic Books, 1978. > (3) James M. Stone, "A new rulebook for financial regulations." > Boston: The Boston Globe, 2/5/2009, p. A15. > > *** > > There are some who remember the US coming out of WWII as the strongest > economy on the earth. Plus, we were on a technology roll that NO ONE > could match. That war was funded by both taxes and war bonds. There > are various interpretations of what happened. Some saw the war as > "the shot in the arm" that ended the Great Depression. But others > note that there were ample signs that the depression was ending prior > to when the US entered the war. Those who saw the cure as "spending > into debt" still embrace the solution as a Keynesian result. > > Today? We are a third-world country by many definitions. And, every > third-world country that has tried to improve it lot by spending > inevitably end up devaluing there currency and go into > hyper-inflation. > > Some, today, fear deflation ... but ... with Summers and Bernanke -- > these guys are just smart enough to think they can pull something off > in the way of labels of 'stimulus' and 'bailout,' but neither is smart > enough to see the consequences. > > The bottom line is (and has always been), if one or two generations > receive huge boom incomes, etc., riding on debt, then at least one > generation (now), pays the consequences. > > The "intergenerational equity" of this generation-based disparity is > horrific. > > Why should perfectly well trained children, now coming out of college, > etc., be greeted by an economy that can't hire them? > > It is this intergenerational equity that the proposal for a 28th > Amendment is oriented to cure. But, lots of oxen will be "gored" -- > the money for nothing game must never be allowed to be played again. > > For the sake of all future generations, I am hopeful that some > important "rules" as voiced by Mr. Stone (below) help guide the > shaping of this branch. > > Two things must happen now that we are in a crisis: > > 1. remedy, as we can, the current situation > 2. prevent a recurrence of such crises, hopefully > for all future generations > > If you look at the history of this country, we find that there has > been, cyclicly and regularly, six financial crises of very large > magnitude. This simply should not be permitted to happen as the grief > is large and the innocent are hurt. > > Attached is my Boston Globe published letter of May 1, 1998 -- where I > expressed this strong sentiment. And in that letter I suggested > taking notes on identifying the features and causes as only then "will > the next generation be able to avoid yet another catastrophe." > > President Obama, in his early aired address, spoke of a looming > catastrophe. > > As I expressed in this letter (attached below), now eleven years ago, > I would not be caught up in the mania, but, rather, study how and why > it occurs. My conclusions are that the most important change to our > country's government is to add a fourth branch for financial safety. > It must be a branch, not an agency or commission, as I have seen how > such parts of government are frequently and regularly, politically > co-opted by those holding office and those elected to serve. And this > is proposed as a 28th amendment to the US Constitution. After first > proposing this, in May of 2007 (on several Internet Lists) a James M. > Stone published his fine op-ed piece, "A new rulebook for financial > regulations (2/5/2009, A15)" in the Boston Globe. > > The rules mentioned -- such as reducing financial leverage, risk > assessability, sales practices and disclosure are extremely well > thought out. Yet, even the fine minds of the 30's were unable to > anticipate all the ways clever people would and did get around the > best of rules and regulations they could imagine. And they were as > equally determined to make sure the pain of the Great Depression was > never felt again. > > Mr. Stone mentions Elizabeth Warren's proposal for a "Financial > Product Safety Commission." And we agree with her that only an active > part of government can keep up with cleverness as we've had afoot -- a > 'cleverness' that will reappear in another 6 decades or so -- to cause > yet another wave of suffering. > > Another suggestion, for a Monetary Security Agency, by Gelles, > suggests an agency like the US NSA. However, this places too much > power under the Executive Branch. > > As the author of the book "Risks, Concerns and Social Legislation" I > have seen first hand how each and every "safety" and "protection" > agency and commission was political compromised and neutered over the > last 29 years. Their actions were 'not to the liking of many > businesses with sway on the hill.' > > So, I suggest neither fixed rules nor a commission will be enough to > prevent the next crash, and we have proposed a 28th Amendment to > establish a fourth branch of the Federal Government, with specified > Congressional relationships and tailored more like the risk assessment > unit of the SEC under Donaldson, a unit he described to Moyers on PBS > last year. Donaldson's unit could see the risk taking, but were > powerless to stop it. > > Further, I would take Stone's fine rulebook and make it the > cornerstone of a guidebook for those appointed to this branch (see a > reprint of the article below). > > *** > > So what we needed is an extension of State and can be said so by > declaring a 28th Amendment to the US Constitution that says > the following: > > The 4th Branch of the US for Financial Safety > > Section 1. In an age of increased reason and knowledge, the people of > the United States declare a more specific approach to achieve Life, > Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. > > Section 2. As shown via the process by which nature created life, it is > the responsibility of all people to not only perpetuate life but to > sanctify all forms of life in their practices, activities and actions. > Specifically, various virtues that constitute the good life, and similar > instrumental values shall be celebrated. > > Section 3. A fourth body of government shall exist with the purpose of > reviewing all laws and practices as called for in the form of a Rawlsian > social contract as defined and regulated by the Bureau of Social > Contract. > > Section 4. With respect to the other three bodies of US government, the > Bureau has the power to introduce, and see through to a deciding vote, > legislation when requested by five Senators in the Senate or twenty > representatives in the House. With respect to the Judiciary, decisions > of the Supreme Court, found to be disrespectful of Section 1 or > Section 2, shall be formulated into law and entered into the appropriate > legislative body within ninety days of such decisions. Similarly, > Executive Orders by the President found to be disrespectful of Section > 1 or Section 2, shall be formulated into law and entered into the > appropriate legislative body. > > Section 5. To avoid delays for time-critical situations the Bureau > shall have the power to enforce injunctions on any issues that arise > under Section 4. Such injunctions shall require the concurrence of a > Federal Judge and shall be subject to powers as determined by Congress. > > Section 6. In situations where it is deemed that actions within a > single State may manifest into disrespect for Section 1 and for Section > 2, the Bureau may seek redress as provided under Section 4 and Section 5. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Letters to the Editor > The Boston Globe May 10, 1998, p. C6 > > WARNING: DEBT IS WHAT CAUSES DEPRESSIONS > > There is certainly a madness in our midst. Ravi Batra's new book, > "Stock Market Crashes of 1998 and 1999" talks about how those hawking > mutual funds based on strong fundamentals neglect to say that the > fundamentals in 1929 were also very strong days before a depression > that spread worldwide. > > As best economists can tell, what precipitates an economic catastrophe > is debt. We are probably not going to avoid a depression, the depths > of which will likely be greater than that of the '30s. Why? Because > our level of indebtedness in relation to total domestic revenues is > nearly twice the amount of debt we had when this country was ravaged by > the last depression. > > But perhaps we can do what the banking regulators of the '30s failed > to do. They failed to put in place a foolproof mechanism to prevent > future depressions. We need to take special note of what and why the > euphoria preceding a depression occurs. For only if we fully identify > its features and causes will the next generation be able to avoid yet > another catastrophe. > > W. CURTISS PRIEST > Melrose > > The writer is director of the Center for Information, Technology & > Society, and a member of the American Economic Association > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > A new rulebook for financial regulations > By James M. Stone > February 5, 2009 > Boston Globe > > Since insufficient regulation is considered a contributor to the 2008 > financial crisis, one might expect that better regulation will soon be > implemented to prevent a recurrence of the bubble. However, those who > supported the extreme deregulatory policies of the last 20 years - > respected free-market theorists as well as many large campaign > contributors who gained from the permissive policies - remain powerful > and may be able to block any effort. They will surely contend that > increases in regulation should be minimal, that the "fruits of > financial innovation" must be protected, or that what is needed is > better regulators rather than more government. > > It is time for those who believe we have tasted enough of the fruit of > reckless finance to offer an agenda for regulatory change. What is > needed is neither an industrial policy substituting political > preferences for the invisible hand nor a new ocean of paperwork. > Instead, we should think about financial regulation as mainly a set of > prohibitions on harmful practices, more a rulebook than a bureaucracy. > > Here is a checklist of subjects for the debate agenda. > > Leverage. The 2008 crisis couldn't have occurred if regulators had > heeded the most obvious lesson of the Great Depression. Speculators > buying stocks on loose margin helped create a bubble in equity prices > that burst in October 1929, and tore the fabric of the economy. Since > then, it has been understood that excessive leverage in financial > markets is hazardous to participants and bystanders alike. Leverage > for common stock investors was limited after that time to around > one-to-one, but few if any leverage limitations were applied to the > new derivative instruments that emerged in the last 20 years. By 2008, > banks and brokers were leveraged as much as 30-to-one. A financial > institution with that much leverage is necessarily jeopardizing itself > and its counterparties. Far tighter leverage restrictions are needed, > and, for banks, that should include restrictions applied to large loan > customers, including hedge funds. > > Complexity. A substantial share of the damage in 2008 was caused by > stunning overuse of derivative securities such as credit default > obligations and securitized mortgage tranches. Some of these > instruments were so convoluted that they can not be unwound without > congressional help, and their risk profiles can't be parsed by Wall > Street's brightest bankers. These are examples of the "financial > weapons of mass destruction" Warren Buffett warned about years ago. > Policymakers should consider forbidding any insured institution from > trading derivatives too complex for risk analysis and limiting the > menu to instruments collateralized with modest leverage, traded on > exchanges, or approved as contracts of insurance. > > Cyclical Robustness. Institutions of finance used to help the country > get through inevitable economic cycles. Profits from good years were > retained as capital in banks and brokers, thus available to cushion > the lean years. By shifting much of their risk and reward to > hedge-fund clients, banking institutions inadvertently moved profits > into businesses that sent them home in personal compensation - > forfeiting the cushion. Then, as banks and brokers grew increasingly > envious of their clients' economics, they ramped up their own > leveraged trading activities to mimic the hedge funds . . . and > supercharged compensation to compete for talent. Regulation should > assure that cyclical gains are not paid out in compensation by a > taxpayer-backstopped financial sector. > > While we shouldn't be quick to assign blame to individuals for > accepting the pay they were offered, the notion that the good years > belong to the management and the bad years belong to the taxpayers > deserves a deep burial. > > Scale. Congress has gone too long without debate on the basic > questions of anti-trust policy. Policymakers used to wonder if bigness > could indeed be badness. In recent decades, however, consolidation in > the financial sector has gone largely unchallenged. Some in government > seem to think huge scale is actually a public benefit; others accept > it as an irresistible force. It is neither. Most of the giant firms > taxpayers are bailing out were small fractions of their current size > and market shares a few decades ago. Some degree of consolidation may > have been justified by underlying economics, but it is time to ask if > the scale of the troubled behemoths serves anyone well. It is fair to > query whether any firm can be too big to fail without being too big to > manage or whether financial companies with inexhaustible lobbying > budgets are compatible with pluralist democracy. > > Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz has said that when "a firm is too big > to fail . . . it should be broken up." Congress and the president > should force an examination of the question and reconsider its 1999 > repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, which had long separated banks from > brokers. > > Sales Practices. Irresponsible mortgage lending also played a role in > the crisis. Much of the harm was done at the point of sale, where > families were encouraged to take on obligations only marginally > realistic even in good circumstances and impossible to honor in a > declining economy. Documentation grew ever weaker as the bubble > enlarged, just when it needed strengthening. Well-meaning but > exaggerated public policies to favor home ownership contributed to > this problem, as did securitization that allowed sloppy underwriting > analysts to pass off the risk bearing to others, but some measure of > blame belongs to downright ugly practices. In the first 50 years after > 1929, securities regulators established an admirable tradition of > sales oversight, including broker-dealer licensing and testing, > suitability rules, and compliance and conduct examinations. These > standards were weakened in recent years and never matched in mortgage > origination or derivative sales. > > A uniform high standard of protection is presumably what Harvard law > professor Elizabeth Warren was seeking when she called for a Financial > Product Safety Commission. Government needs to take a fresh look at > sales practices in the financial service industry and raise the bar > throughout. > > Disclosure. The least controversial pillar of financial regulation > should be the requirement of full disclosure. Sadly, even the simple > principle that financial institutions should reveal their metrics to a > public dependent on their soundness was diluted in the tide of > deregulation. The emerging hedge-fund industry was subjected to > virtually no reporting requirements, and banks were permitted to pack > liabilities into opaque special-purpose entities omitted from balance > sheets. Some policymakers were fooled into thinking that less than > full disclosure was a new global imperative or that there were no > widows and orphans to protect in sophisticated markets. It should be > clear by now that pension investments and the ability of a financial > failure to catalyze more general economic maladies justify > intervention even by the widows-and-orphans standard. The coming > regulatory reform should restore maximum transparency as the > inviolable objective of financial reporting, and large debtors and > counterparties of guaranteed institutions should be subject to the > same standards as the institutions themselves. > > This is not a call for an industrial policy, for red tape, or for > nationalization of the financial sector. It is a common-sense call to > prohibit behaviors that produced a terrible outcome. The crisis we > find ourselves in, one that will scar millions of American families, > never needed to occur. The turn in the real estate cycle that fomented > the crisis would have been manageably absorbed had adequate regulation > of financial institutions been in place all along. The regulatory cure > implied here may seem Draconian to those who profited from > under-regulation, but it is no larger than the harm that regulation's > laxity has engendered. > > James M. Stone, former chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading > Commission and prior to that commissioner of insurance for > Massachusetts, is CEO of the Plymouth Rock group of property and > casualty insurance companies. > c Copyright 2009 Globe Newspaper Company. > > ["fair use," "teachable moment," "archival," Section 107(a), 1976 > Copyright Act and 1998 Digital Millennium Act] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Appendix A: 11/13/2008 -- further thoughts about applying constraints > > The overall problem backs into the thorny area related to any and all > activities that are intended to induce purchases. > > Advertisements are created, for example, induce purchases. So, with > respect to economic stability there are socially efficient > advertisements which induce a "more appropriate" product or service, > where consumer surplus may even be increased. As there are often > economies of "scale" "scope" that result from higher volumes resulting > due to advertisements, the pareto optimality is increased by such > advertisements (yet, still ... commonly ... at the expense of causing > smaller businesses to fail). There is often debate about, for > example, the geographic locating of a Walmart, precisely because > community-oriented people fear that "local business" will be hurt, and > thus, overall pareto optimality may go down to the extent that this > harm is greater than the economic benefits of the savings due to a > higher volume retailer. > > There are many who believe that there are negative externalities when > advertisement becomes so controlling of human behavior, that it > creates a level of materialism that overly displaces other socially > desirable goods (family activities, use of leisure, say for exercise > or socializing, etc.) And, the most invasive of these negative > externalities is in the accrual of financial debts that become too > great a risk to the individual, the family and to the economy. > > Finally, there is advertising and other inducing behavior, such as > "stimulus packages" that bring great evil upon an economy. While > Keynesian inductions of spending are beneficial when, for example, the > Federal Government has run a surplus, and the Keynesian inductions are > simply addressing minor cycles where, if treated, overall welfare > increases ... such inducing and stimulating purchases where none of > the parties can afford the added spending is criminal. While these > inducements are born out of relatively "good intentions" -- 1.) on > the side of businesses, surplus inventory may be ameliorated by such > inducements -- it will be the case there are times when these > surpluses should not be purchased and consumed, almost at any price; > 2.) and on the side of the Federal Government -- it is always > "politic" to prop up an economy ... as voters want jobs and goods -- > it will be the case that when the Federal Government's use of debt to > provide the inducement will cause an overall reduction in welfare to > the current generation and will cause an overall reduction in welfare > to the current generation and their children's generations. > > In hindsight, of course, if the purposes of the 28th Amendment are > achieved, a good deal of this inducement behavior will simply > disappear, as it will be unnecessary. > > However, there still remains the problem of advertising, and related > social behaviors caused by and around all of the advertised goods and > services, "asks" that households take on spending in excess of income, > or prudence in general. For example, in a consumer/materialistic-based > society, events such as Christmas and birthdays become judged by the > extravagance of gift-giving. Those who adhere to price guidelines, in > the spirit of keeping the activity affordable, are seen as Scrooges > and spoil-sports. Often, the grandmother, say of a large family, > seems only able to express her love and caring by spending beyond her > means ... but cherishing the smiles and hugs of all the recipients. > > Ask most anyone in such a society whether "things have gone overboard" > and they are likely to nod, quickly in affirmation. But, then try to > take such a socially-ingrained issue any further and one is met with > general resistance. This is a classic case of a "race to the bottom" > and it occurs regardless of whether, stepping back, it is seen as wise > or provident. > > At this time I would require the 4th branch to further study how human > behaviors (as are currently documented by the field of behavioral > economics) can be assisted in curbing the appetites for overspending > on goods and services. Such study shall lead to programs, such as > illustrated by smoking cessation programs, to provide financial safety > related teachings in schools, public addiction cures, and appropriate > labeling and controls of advertisements for goods and services. > > Appendix B: 4/16/2009 -- further thoughts about a Social Dividend > > The father of the theory of Social Credit is C. H. Douglas. Buried in > obscure prose and elucidated by others with yet more obscure prose, > there is a theorem called A + B. This theorem relates to an imbalance > in the ability for consumers to purchase all goods and services based > on their wages. > > Later authors, such as Shakespeare and Ashford, in Binary Economics > have also, based on the work of Kelso, spoken to the advantages of > worker-owned companies. > > Their work suggests that a further underlying cause for consumer debt > is an imbalance, i.e., that monies siphoned off as profits by > companies do not incur to workers, and yet goods and services reflect > both the actual cost of goods plus these other sums. > > Knurland and others are also convinced that ownership is required for > a stable form of capitalism. Their views are disseminated by the > Internet list, "Global Justice Movement." > > Most recently, Richard C. Cook has proposed a dividend to solve such > problems in "We Hold These Truths." > > I, as a co-author of the book, "Technological Innovation for a Dynamic > Economy," am perplexed about these approaches. As I have witnessed > how the ownership of capital "engines" called companies often requires > ownership by CEOs with a commitment to profit, at almost any cost, I > am reticent about the viability of worker ownership. I believe that > in a better world, such ownership is kinder and more fair, but > impractical in this world. > > As for a transfer payment to remedy the "A + B" problem, I don't see > how a financial system can both pay profits to investors and pay the > same sums to consumers as dividends. This strikes me as a "having > your cake and eating it, too, problem." > > At this time, I would require the 4th branch for financial safety to > further study the problem as pressures occur for unreasonable levels > of consumer debt. If, indeed, to put a lid on unreasonable lending is > to cause an imbalance in the supply of goods and services and their > demand, with the result that sellers constantly tempt buyers to borrow > beyond their means, this 4th branch shall devise the most practical > remedy to this behavior. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net > > http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net > -- Endeavoring for ecological safety ,social inclusion and distributive justice for the renewable resource based livelihoods and habitats, Centre For Ecological Audit, Social Inclusion and Governance (CEASIG) , an initiative of Labour League Foundation, Sewa and Sufi Trust , Delhi aims for socially inclusive and ecologically safe future for all through organizing and communicating fcarbon neutral neighborhood discussions/ consultations, building capacities in ecological audit, ecologically safe networking ,advocacy, interfaith dialogue & other related domains for multiplying personal, community , governmental and corporate actions for ecologically safe education, ecological audit ,and, ecologically safe and socially inclusive governance best practices Contact Details: 58-C,DDA Flats, Ashok Vihar-III, Delhi-110052 Phones: 9968345380,9210490942 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ceasig at gmail.com Sun May 17 08:05:16 2009 From: ceasig at gmail.com (Centre For Ecological Audit, Social Inclusion & Governance) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 19:35:16 +0530 Subject: [GJM] FW: Sent to me..... In-Reply-To: <000d01c9d691$093351d0$1b99f570$@net> References: <000d01c9d691$093351d0$1b99f570$@net> Message-ID: <31f677a30905170705y6e6a5176j80101f362b54350a@mail.gmail.com> Obama action for preventing corporations enjoy tax haven and let the poeple lose deserves the best appreciations. If the socalled zionists are out to stall the initiative , then they must be defeated. They are not only against masses of Americans but they are enemies of humanity. Newly elected UPA government can not but support the cause of getting tax evadors and thieves to book as soon as possible.I am sure, UPA government in India would not forget the lesson that Left must have got by now from their virtual rout in West Bengal. Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam On 5/17/09, mary rose wrote: > > *From:* Nance ~ [mailto:planetnews8 at gmail.com] > *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:13 PM > *Subject:* Sent to me..... > > > > > > A heads up...I don't know who Ann is as yet??? > N > > *More information .... please read.... very critical! Civilian Grand > Juries coming this week! Americans need to know**.* > > > > Thanks for this information which is really important. However, impeachment > would remove him but leave the rest of the gang intact, like Holder, > Emanuel, Geithner, etc. > > > > We are working on indicting him for fraud and treason. I'm on one of > the Civilian Grand Juries this coming week and we will vote on 5/23 (this is > a national civilian grand jury). Others have formed in several states and > more coming on board. Some states have already formed, reviewed the massive > amounts of information and voted to indict him. Lots more info for you here: > > > > http://www.americangrandjury.org (info on Civilian Grand Juries) > > http://www.riseupforamerica.com (all the tools needed to get on board > and Bob Campbell is really helpful. His phone number is on the web site) > > http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1 (the attorney moving this forward). > > > > If he is indicted for fraud and treason, then everything he has done since > Day 1 becomes null and void. Biden would stay in for three months until > another election can be organized but everyone else he brought in will be > out, some arrested right along with him. It would be wreak havoc, but > nothing as destructive as what is happening now. Currently someone is also > suing Congress for not vetting him properly...I can't remember the details > and I can't get my fingers on the article, but I think it may be > a governor. > > > > *As lot of high ranking active duty and retired military personnel are > supporting this 100% as they don't want to be taking orders from and > illegal-alien, fraudulent commander-in-chief. (See attachment).* > > * * > > If you want to be part of the civilian grand jury process, more people are > certainly needed. Everything is done online, so no need to travel or miss > work. All I know is I won't rest until he and his thugs are gone. If we > don't get this done, we will wish we lived in Canada, but once he signs us > on to the New World Order, there will no place on this planet to escape the > misery. > > > > Again, thanks for the information. I will send it along to Dr. Taitz as she > is amassing all the information she can to get this done. > > > > Ann > > > > Well, you may not know Nance who Ann is, but > > > > she is probably Dick Cheney/and or Karl Rove scared shitless because Obama > is letting the investigation go forward into just who ordered the torture of > prisoners. This is where it begins ? the unraveling -- just as it did in > Watergate ? only the Bush cabal is in far deeper shit than was Nixon ? the > charges far worse. > > > > Texe Marrs knew exactly what he was doing when he released the article > about the Jews owning Hollywood and where all the money is coming from to > support AIPAC. > > > > And, when Obama is going after the corporations and trying to close the > offshore tax havens they use to avoid paying taxes , along with going after > AIPAC, revealing to all the Zionist Jews and how they operate and who they > are in bed with, of course the shit is hitting the fan, and these criminals > are going to try every way they can to make people think Obama is the > problem in order to get him off their back. > > > > You know I posted this before, but it?s obvious from the article below that > what the Israelis are really after is the oil and gas owned by the > Palestinians. > > > > > http://www.daily.pk/world/middle-east/10082-war-and-natural-gas-the-israeli- > > > > And, of course, Alex Jones is going to go after Obama if he wants to keep > his job on the Jewish-Zionist owned Fox News station. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Nance ~ [mailto:planetnews8 at gmail.com] > *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:13 PM > *Subject:* Sent to me..... > > > > > > A heads up...I don't know who Ann is as yet??? > N > > *More information .... please read.... very critical! Civilian Grand > Juries coming this week! Americans need to know**.* > > > > Thanks for this information which is really important. However, impeachment > would remove him but leave the rest of the gang intact, like Holder, > Emanuel, Geithner, etc. > > > > We are working on indicting him for fraud and treason. I'm on one of > the Civilian Grand Juries this coming week and we will vote on 5/23 (this is > a national civilian grand jury). Others have formed in several states and > more coming on board. Some states have already formed, reviewed the massive > amounts of information and voted to indict him. Lots more info for you here: > > > > http://www.americangrandjury.org (info on Civilian Grand Juries) > > http://www.riseupforamerica.com (all the tools needed to get on board > and Bob Campbell is really helpful. His phone number is on the web site) > > http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1 (the attorney moving this forward). > > > > If he is indicted for fraud and treason, then everything he has done since > Day 1 becomes null and void. Biden would stay in for three months until > another election can be organized but everyone else he brought in will be > out, some arrested right along with him. It would be wreak havoc, but > nothing as destructive as what is happening now. Currently someone is also > suing Congress for not vetting him properly...I can't remember the details > and I can't get my fingers on the article, but I think it may be > a governor. > > > > *As lot of high ranking active duty and retired military personnel are > supporting this 100% as they don't want to be taking orders from and > illegal-alien, fraudulent commander-in-chief. (See attachment).* > > * * > > If you want to be part of the civilian grand jury process, more people are > certainly needed. Everything is done online, so no need to travel or miss > work. All I know is I won't rest until he and his thugs are gone. If we > don't get this done, we will wish we lived in Canada, but once he signs us > on to the New World Order, there will no place on this planet to escape the > misery. > > > > Again, thanks for the information. 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URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sun May 17 11:35:10 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:35:10 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Boehner, McConnell Cheer Cheney's Public Activism Message-ID: <000201c9d715$d79d11d0$86d73570$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:20 AM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Boehner, McConnell Cheer Cheney's Public Activism (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) Boehner, McConnell Cheer Cheney's Public Activism http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/17/boehner-mcconnell-cheer-c_n_204354. html First Posted: 05-17-09 10:47 AM On Sunday, the top Republicans in both the House and the Senate affirmed that they were pleased with former Vice President Dick Cheney for taking an active and combative public role just months after stepping down from office. John Boehner and Mitch McConnell, the House and Senate minority leaders, both expressed support for Cheney's attacks on President Obama during their respective Sunday show appearances. Boehner went so far as to say that the former VP's broadsides against the current White House "helps" the Republican Party. "Dick Cheney is a private citizen and is entitled to his views," Boehner told CNN's State of the Union. As for the possibility that Cheney was drowning out the younger and/or more moderate Republicans, Boehner replied that "having a chorus of voices out there" was better than none. "It doesn't hurt us," he said, "it helps us." On Fox News Sunday, Mitch McConnell did not offer a similarly specific endorsement of Cheney's recent rhetoric. He did, however, say the former VP had been vindicated in his remarks, as evidenced by Obama's change in policy on matters from releasing torture photos to military tribunals. "These are serious issues and I think it's noteworthy that in the last week the President himself has been adjusting his positions," he said. "He's no longer decided to release additional photos from Abu Ghraib. He has revisited the issue of whether or not the military commissions that we passed a couple of years ago are an appropriate way to try terrorists. We know he changed his mind in Iraq and decided to follow the advice of the military generals, and we also know that he's now ordered a surge in Afghanistan just like the one that was successful in Iraq. So I think the administration has responded to the critique of the vice president and others that it might... be drifting off in the wrong direction on national security issues." A recent survey of GOP strategists and advisers found that 57 percent believe Cheney has hurt the Republican Party since the election, versus 33 percent who think he is helping. From maryrose333 at att.net Sun May 17 11:39:29 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:39:29 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Story of the Decade: We Tortured to Justify War Message-ID: <000301c9d716$71ed9de0$55c8d9a0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:40 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Story of the Decade: We Tortured to Justify War (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) We Tortured to Justify War http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/15-6 Published on Friday, May 15, 2009 by Salon.com Dick Cheney keeps saying "enhanced interrogation" was used to stop imminent attacks, but evidence is mounting that the real reason was to invent evidence linking Saddam Hussein to al-Qaida. The single most pertinent question that Dick Cheney is never asked -- at least not by the admiring interviewers he has encountered so far -- is whether he, Donald Rumsfeld and George W. Bush used torture to justify the illegal invasion of Iraq. As he tours television studios, radio stations and conservative think tanks, the former vice-president hopes to persuade America that only waterboarding kept us safe for seven years. Yet evidence is mounting that under Cheney's direction, "enhanced interrogation" was not used exclusively to prevent imminent acts of terror or collect actionable intelligence -- the aims that he constantly emphasizes -- but to invent evidence that would link al-Qaida with Saddam Hussein and connect the late Iraqi dictator to the 9/11 attacks. In one report after another, from journalists, former administration officials and Senate investigators, the same theme continues to emerge: Whenever a prisoner believed to possess any knowledge of al-Qaida's operations or Iraqi intelligence came into American custody, CIA interrogators felt intense pressure from the Bush White House to produce evidence of an Iraq-Qaida relationship (which contradicted everything that U.S. intelligence and other experts knew about the enmity between Saddam's Baath Party and Osama bin Laden's jihadists). Indeed, the futile quest for proof of that connection is the common thread running through the gruesome stories of torture from the Guant?namo detainee camp to Egyptian prisons to the CIA's black sites in Thailand and elsewhere. Perhaps the sharpest rebuke to Cheney's assertions has come from Lawrence Wilkerson, the retired Army colonel and former senior State Department aide to Colin Powell, who says bluntly that when the administration first authorized "harsh interrogation" during the spring of 2002, "its principal priority for intelligence was not aimed at pre-empting another terrorist attack on the U.S. but discovering a smoking gun linking Iraq and al-Qaida." In an essay that first appeared on the Washington Note blog, Wilkerson says that even when the interrogators of Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, the Libyan al-Qaida operative, reported that he had become "compliant" -- in other words, cooperative after sufficient abuse -- the vice-president's office ordered further torture of the Libyan by his hosts at an Egyptian prison because he had not yet implicated Saddam with al-Qaida. So his interrogators put al-Libi into a tiny coffin until he said what Cheney wanted to hear. Nobody in the U.S. intelligence community actually believed this nonsense. But now, al-Libi has reportedly and very conveniently "committed suicide" in a prison cell in Libya, where he was dispatched to the tender mercies of the Bush administration's newfound friends in the Qaddafi regime several years ago. So the deceased man won't be able to discuss what actually happened to him and why. Wilkerson's essay was followed swiftly by an investigative report in the Daily Beast, authored by former NBC News producer Robert Windrem, who interviewed two former senior intelligence officers who told him a similar story about a different prisoner. In April 2003, U.S. forces captured an Iraqi official named Muhammed Khudayr al-Dulaymi, who had served in Saddam's secret police, the Mukhabarat. Those unnamed officials said that upon learning of Dulaymi's capture, the vice-president's office proposed that CIA agents in Baghdad commence waterboarding him, in order to elicit information about a link between al-Qaida and Saddam. Evidently that suggestion was not enforced by Charles Duelfer, the head of the Iraq Study Group who controlled Dulaymi's interrogation. The same kind of demands were directed toward interrogators in Guant?namo, according to the testimony of former Army psychiatrist Charles Burney, who testified that he and his colleagues interrogating prisoners at the detention camp felt "pressure" to produce proof of the mythical link. "While we were there, a large part of the time we were focused on trying to establish a link between al Qaida and Iraq and we were not successful in establishing a link between al Qaida and Iraq," he told the Army inspector general. "The more frustrated people got in not being able to establish that link ... there was more and more pressure to resort to measures that might produce more immediate results." In other words, they were instructed to use abusive techniques, as recounted in the investigation of torture by the Senate Armed Services Committee. Looking back, we now know that coerced confessions -- and in particular the questionable assertions by al-Libi -- were highlighted by administration officials promoting the case for war with Iraq, in the landmark Cincinnati speech by President Bush in October 2002 and in Colin Powell's crucial presentation to the U.N. Security Council in February 2003, the eve of the war. Whether Bush, Cheney and their associates were seeking real or fabricated intelligence, they knowingly employed methods that were certain to produce the latter -- as American officials well knew because those same techniques, especially water torture, had been used to elicit false confessions from captured Americans as long ago as World War II and the Korean conflict. Cheney now claims that he preserved the country from terrorism and saved thousands and perhaps hundreds of thousands of lives. We need a serious investigation, with witnesses including the former vice-president under oath, to determine what he and his associates actually did with the brutal powers they arrogated to themselves -- because instead their actions cost thousands upon thousands of American and Iraqi lives, all in the service of a political lie. From maryrose333 at att.net Mon May 18 08:10:56 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 07:10:56 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Story of the Decade: We Tortured to Justify War Message-ID: <008701c9d7c2$79f69440$6de3bcc0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: Mary Nelson [mailto:m_nelson at aperdat.com] Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 1:11 PM To: 'mary rose' Subject: RE: [globalnetnews-summary] Story of the Decade: We Tortured to Justify War One would think (me, anyway) that this is at least as bad as what Nixon resigned for. (I recently watched Frost/Nixon and boy, did it seem trivial.) Other benefits of torture for the power elite (other than to back-up the lie of the moment such as linking Hussein to al-Qaida) is that it serves to "terrorize" the whole world. Nothing is more powerful an intimidator than for the entity with the greatest power for violence appearing also irrational. Enhances the power greatly. It also gives power and credence to the lie that the more torture is applied, the better the "intelligence" that is brought forth. This is exactly the opposite to going out and ferreting out real information. Totally the opposite to the scientific method. Like Bacon's "torturing Nature to discover her (!) secrets". Or torturing husbands into declaring their wives witches so that the village powers can confiscate the couple's land as was done in the early years of our country. It also makes U.S. citizens more and more complicit in the war crimes our Administrations are perpetrating throughout the world. That brings on paralysis. It's the old Nazi technique of making citizens complicit by making them carry out executions of their own people. There are probably a dozen more "benefits". The Psychologists with job security and prestige that comes with being part of this. Same old "follow the power, follow the money". My 15 year old Grandson said that he thought the "torture" thing was part of a dark and distant past. Maybe this is a cycle like the "business cycle". MaryNelson PS Probably another "benefit" is that is just "feels good" to the sociopaths that are functioning at all levels in society. mn -----Original Message----- From: mary rose [mailto:maryrose333 at att.net] Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:39 AM To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net; FixGov at yahoogroups.com Subject: FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Story of the Decade: We Tortured to Justify War -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:40 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Story of the Decade: We Tortured to Justify War (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) We Tortured to Justify War http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/15-6 Published on Friday, May 15, 2009 by Salon.com Dick Cheney keeps saying "enhanced interrogation" was used to stop imminent attacks, but evidence is mounting that the real reason was to invent evidence linking Saddam Hussein to al-Qaida. The single most pertinent question that Dick Cheney is never asked -- at least not by the admiring interviewers he has encountered so far -- is whether he, Donald Rumsfeld and George W. Bush used torture to justify the illegal invasion of Iraq. As he tours television studios, radio stations and conservative think tanks, the former vice-president hopes to persuade America that only waterboarding kept us safe for seven years. Yet evidence is mounting that under Cheney's direction, "enhanced interrogation" was not used exclusively to prevent imminent acts of terror or collect actionable intelligence -- the aims that he constantly emphasizes -- but to invent evidence that would link al-Qaida with Saddam Hussein and connect the late Iraqi dictator to the 9/11 attacks. In one report after another, from journalists, former administration officials and Senate investigators, the same theme continues to emerge: Whenever a prisoner believed to possess any knowledge of al-Qaida's operations or Iraqi intelligence came into American custody, CIA interrogators felt intense pressure from the Bush White House to produce evidence of an Iraq-Qaida relationship (which contradicted everything that U.S. intelligence and other experts knew about the enmity between Saddam's Baath Party and Osama bin Laden's jihadists). Indeed, the futile quest for proof of that connection is the common thread running through the gruesome stories of torture from the Guant?namo detainee camp to Egyptian prisons to the CIA's black sites in Thailand and elsewhere. Perhaps the sharpest rebuke to Cheney's assertions has come from Lawrence Wilkerson, the retired Army colonel and former senior State Department aide to Colin Powell, who says bluntly that when the administration first authorized "harsh interrogation" during the spring of 2002, "its principal priority for intelligence was not aimed at pre-empting another terrorist attack on the U.S. but discovering a smoking gun linking Iraq and al-Qaida." In an essay that first appeared on the Washington Note blog, Wilkerson says that even when the interrogators of Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, the Libyan al-Qaida operative, reported that he had become "compliant" -- in other words, cooperative after sufficient abuse -- the vice-president's office ordered further torture of the Libyan by his hosts at an Egyptian prison because he had not yet implicated Saddam with al-Qaida. So his interrogators put al-Libi into a tiny coffin until he said what Cheney wanted to hear. Nobody in the U.S. intelligence community actually believed this nonsense. But now, al-Libi has reportedly and very conveniently "committed suicide" in a prison cell in Libya, where he was dispatched to the tender mercies of the Bush administration's newfound friends in the Qaddafi regime several years ago. So the deceased man won't be able to discuss what actually happened to him and why. Wilkerson's essay was followed swiftly by an investigative report in the Daily Beast, authored by former NBC News producer Robert Windrem, who interviewed two former senior intelligence officers who told him a similar story about a different prisoner. In April 2003, U.S. forces captured an Iraqi official named Muhammed Khudayr al-Dulaymi, who had served in Saddam's secret police, the Mukhabarat. Those unnamed officials said that upon learning of Dulaymi's capture, the vice-president's office proposed that CIA agents in Baghdad commence waterboarding him, in order to elicit information about a link between al-Qaida and Saddam. Evidently that suggestion was not enforced by Charles Duelfer, the head of the Iraq Study Group who controlled Dulaymi's interrogation. The same kind of demands were directed toward interrogators in Guant?namo, according to the testimony of former Army psychiatrist Charles Burney, who testified that he and his colleagues interrogating prisoners at the detention camp felt "pressure" to produce proof of the mythical link. "While we were there, a large part of the time we were focused on trying to establish a link between al Qaida and Iraq and we were not successful in establishing a link between al Qaida and Iraq," he told the Army inspector general. "The more frustrated people got in not being able to establish that link ... there was more and more pressure to resort to measures that might produce more immediate results." In other words, they were instructed to use abusive techniques, as recounted in the investigation of torture by the Senate Armed Services Committee. Looking back, we now know that coerced confessions -- and in particular the questionable assertions by al-Libi -- were highlighted by administration officials promoting the case for war with Iraq, in the landmark Cincinnati speech by President Bush in October 2002 and in Colin Powell's crucial presentation to the U.N. Security Council in February 2003, the eve of the war. Whether Bush, Cheney and their associates were seeking real or fabricated intelligence, they knowingly employed methods that were certain to produce the latter -- as American officials well knew because those same techniques, especially water torture, had been used to elicit false confessions from captured Americans as long ago as World War II and the Korean conflict. Cheney now claims that he preserved the country from terrorism and saved thousands and perhaps hundreds of thousands of lives. We need a serious investigation, with witnesses including the former vice-president under oath, to determine what he and his associates actually did with the brutal powers they arrogated to themselves -- because instead their actions cost thousands upon thousands of American and Iraqi lives, all in the service of a political lie. From maryrose333 at att.net Mon May 18 14:04:10 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 13:04:10 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Revealing News: Swine Flu Origins, Extraterrestrial Vehicles, Obama's Health Care Enigma, More Message-ID: <00dc01c9d7f3$d237b220$76a71660$@net> Note: Zecharia Sitchin?s translations of the Sumerian Tablets include those saying that the Nefilim would return at this time to aid us in meeting the challenges we face today. From: PEERS: WantToKnow.info Email List [mailto:emaillist at peerservice.org] Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 9:17 AM To: maryrose333 at att.net Subject: Revealing News: Swine Flu Origins, Extraterrestrial Vehicles, Obama's Health Care Enigma, More To subscribe to or unsubscribe from this list (one email every few days) or to reply to this message, see end of email This message is available online at http://www.WantToKnow.info/009/090518_swine_flu_extraterrestrial_vehicles_health_care Dear friends, Below are key excerpts of important news articles you may have missed. These articles include revealing information on possible origins of the swine flu virus, efforts to learn more about extraterrestrial vehicles held by governments, the enigma of President Obama's plans for health care in the U.S., and more. Each excerpt is taken verbatim from the major media website listed at the link provided. If any link fails to function, click here . The most important sentences are highlighted for those with limited time. By choosing to educate ourselves and to spread the word , we can and will build a brighter future. With best wishes, Tod Fletcher and Fred Burks for PEERS and the WantToKnow.info Team P.S. Many thanks to the 30 or so individuals who have now contributed to PEERS and WantToKnow.info as a result of our last appeal. You've helped to raise about $1,500. We've still got quite a ways to cover our deficit, but this definitely helps. For any others who feel inspired to provide financial support, please click here . _____ Tamiflu Developer: Swine Flu Could Have Come From Bio-Experiment Lab May 14, 2009, ABC News http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/SwineFlu/story?id=7584420 An Australian researcher claims the swine flu, which has killed at least 64 people so far, might not be a mutation that occurred naturally but a man-made product of genetic experiments accidently leaked from a laboratory -- a theory the World Health Organization is taking very seriously. Adrian Gibbs, a scientist on the team that was behind the development of Tamiflu, says in a report he is submitting today that swine flu might have been created using eggs to grow viruses and make new vaccines, and could have been accidently leaked to the general public. "It might be some sort of simple error that's not being recognized," Gibbs said on ABC's "Good Morning America." In an interview with Bloomberg Television, Gibbs admitted there are other ways to explain swine flu's origin. "One of the simplest explanations if that it's a laboratory escape, but there are lots of others," he said. Regardless of the validity of Gibb's claims, he and several experts say that just bringing the idea of laboratory security to the public's attention is important. "There are lives at risk," Gibbs said. "The sooner this idea gets out, the better." Note: What would cause one of the developers of Tamiflu to make such a statement? If you read between the lines, there is much more here than meets the eye. For lots more on this intriguing development, click here . _____ A climate solution that's out of this world May 14, 2009, New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2009/05/14/14greenwire-a-climate-solution... One of the newest energy lobbyists claims he has the answer to climate change: spaceships. The government has in its possession "extraterrestrial vehicles," lobbyist Stephen Bassett said. As in flying saucers. Imagine the power source, he said, behind a 30-foot wide saucer that weighs the same as a tractor-trailer yet hurtles through galaxies at 20,000 miles per hour. "What is the energy system operating that craft?" Bassett said. "They're not burning kerosene." Bassett ... is working for free as a lobbyist, representing the Hawaii-based Exopolitics Institute , an educational organization which describes itself as "dedicated to studying the key actors, institutions and political processes associated with extraterrestrial life." Bassett said he is less lobbyist and more political activist. "The UFO phenomenon is real," Bassett said. "The E.T. extraterrestrial presence is real." Bassett's been lobbying about seven months, targeting the science and technology, and defense and aviation angles. He added energy to his portfolio in a Senate filing last week. He has spoken to lawmakers in the past, Bassett said, but he's writing off lobbying Congress for now, calling the extraterrestrial issue "the third rail" of politics. Besides, he and other believers have a bigger name on their list. "Knowing that Congress could not act," Bassett said, "what we did was focus on the executive branch, the White House." Those who believe the truth is out there have been waiting for someone like President Obama to come clean about the government hiding information on extraterrestrials, Bassett said. Note: What's highly unusual about this article is that there is not a note of ridicule. This may be a first for a UFO article in the New York Times. For lots more eye-opening, reliable information on this topic, including a Times article in which a former CIA chief describes a UFO cover-up, click here and here . _____ Health care's enigma in chief May 15, 2009, San Francisco Chronicle (San Francisco's leading newspaper) http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/14/EDMF17KIVP.DTL The most stunning and least reported news about President Obama's press conference with health industry executives this week wasn't those executives' willingness to negotiate with a Democrat. It was that Democrat's eagerness to involve those executives in a discussion about health care reform even as they revealed their previous plans to pilfer $2 trillion from Americans. That was the little-noticed message from the made-for-TV spectacle administration officials called a health care "game changer": In saying they can voluntarily slash $200 billion a year from the country's medical bills over the next decade and still preserve their profits, health care companies implicitly acknowledged they were plotting to fleece consumers, and have been fleecing them for years. With that acknowledgment came the tacit admission that the industry's business is based not on respectable returns but on grotesque profiteering and waste - the kind that can give up $2 trillion and still guarantee huge margins. Chief among the profiteers at the White House event were insurance companies, which have raised premiums by 119 percent since 1999, and one obvious question is why - why would Obama engage those particular thieves? It's a difficult query to answer, because Obama is a health care mystery, struggling to muster consistent positions on the issue. Listening to a 2003 Obama speech, it's hard to believe he has become such an enigma. Back then, he declared himself "a proponent of a single-payer universal health care program" - i.e., one eliminating private insurers and their overhead costs by having government finance health care. Note: For lots more on health issues from reliable sources, click here. _____ Federal Judge in Sex Case Gets Nearly 3 Years May 11, 2009, ABC News/Associated Press http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=7557912 A disgraced federal judge was sentenced Monday to nearly three years in prison for lying to investigators about sexually abusing two female employees, who said they feared him so much they hid from him in the courthouse. U.S. District Judge Samuel Kent ... could have received up to 20 years in prison, but prosecutors said they wouldn't seek more than three years under a plea agreement. He also was fined $1,000 and ordered to pay $6,550 in restitution to the secretary and case manager whose complaints resulted in the first sex abuse case ever against a sitting federal judge. "Your wrongful conduct is a huge black X, a smear on the legal profession, a stain on the judicial system itself, a matter of concern in the federal courts," said U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson, a visiting senior judge called in from Pensacola, Fla. Vinson ordered Kent, 59, to surrender June 15 for transfer to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons and to serve three years' probation once his 33-month sentence is completed. He also was ordered to participate in an alcohol-abuse program while in prison. The chairman of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee and its ranking Republican demanded that Kent resign immediately from the bench Monday. His lawyer has said he retired rather than resigned, which would allow him to continue drawing a federal judge's salary. Note: This case represents a major shift in that it is the first sex case ever against a sitting federal judge. In fact, if you watch the astonishing documentary Conspiracy of Silence, you will see that many top officials are involved in sexual abuse and have fiercely kept that a secret. Let's hope more of this comes out as we spread the word. _____ Somali pirates guided by London intelligence team, report says May 11, 2009, The Guardian (One of the U.K.'s leading newspapers) http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/11/somali-pirates-london-intelligence The Somali pirates attacking shipping in the Gulf of Aden and Indian Ocean are directed to their targets by a "consultant" team in London, according to a European military intelligence document obtained by a Spanish radio station. The document, obtained by Cadena SER radio, says the team and the pirates remain in contact by satellite telephone. It says that pirate groups have "well-placed informers" in London who are in regular contact with control centres in Somalia where decisions on which vessels to attack are made. These London-based "consultants" help the pirates select targets, providing information on the ships' cargoes and courses. In at least one case the pirates have remained in contact with their London informants from the hijacked ship, according to one targeted shipping company. "The information that merchant ships sailing through the area volunteer to various international organisations is ending up in the pirates' hands," Cadena SER reported the report as saying. This enables the more organised pirate groups to study their targets in advance, even spending several days training teams for specific hijacks. Senior pirates then join the vessel once it has been sailed close to Somalia. Captains of attacked ships have found that pirates know everything from the layout of the vessel to its ports of call. The national flag of a ship is also taken into account when choosing a target, with British vessels being increasingly avoided, according to the report. Note: The remarkable capability described here -- knowledge of all the details of cargo, ship layout, nationality, and especially position and course -- is one that only national intelligence agencies are likely to have. The positional information would require real-time satellite or drone aircraft surveillance data. Could MI6, the British C.I.A., be running the Somali pirate operations, which have so suddenly spiked up just as the Pentagon's new AFRICOM gets underway? _____ 'Maverick' DHS Office Issues Glossary of Domestic Extremist Groups May 5, 2009, Fox News http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/05/maverick-dhs-office... The Department of Homeland Security is reining in a "maverick" division of the agency following criticism of a report it issued that details domestic "extremists" ranging from anti-tax movements to pro-environment groups, a DHS official told FOX News on Tuesday. The report, released in March ... was on top of a controversial document the same office produced last month that said U.S. veterans were ripe for recruitment by terrorist groups. The quickly withdrawn report, titled the "Domestic Extremism Lexicon," comes from the department's Office of Intelligence and Analysis, the same unit that produced the report on right-wing extremists recruiting vets. The document, first uncovered by The Washington Times, uses a broad brush to define terms used when analyzing dozens of supposedly extremist ideologies inside the United States. They cover: Jewish extremists, animal rights extremists, Christian identity extremists, black separatism extremists, anti-abortion extremists, anti-immigration extremists, anti-technology extremists, Cuban independence extremists and tax resistance extremists, to name a few. In addition to the report on right-wing threats issued last month -- for which DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano apologized -- DHS detailed left-wing threats in a similar report released in January. The "Domestic Extremism Lexicon" covers ideologies across the spectrum. The top of the document also defines "alternative media" as something sinister -- though the term is commonly used to describe blogs and popular publications like New York's Village Voice. Note: How strange that Fox News posted this report, yet other major media largely ignored this important news. Click here to read the extremism report. _____ Inspector at Pentagon Says Report Was Flawed May 6, 2009, New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/06/us/06generals.html In a highly unusual reversal, the Defense Department?s inspector general?s office has withdrawn a report it issued in January exonerating a Pentagon public relations program that made extensive use of retired officers who worked as military analysts for television and radio networks. Donald M. Horstman, the Pentagon?s deputy inspector general for policy and oversight, said in a memorandum released on Tuesday that the report was so riddled with flaws and inaccuracies that none of its conclusions could be relied upon. In addition to repudiating its own report, the inspector general?s office took the additional step of removing the report from its Web site. The inspector general?s office began investigating the public relations program last year, in response to articles in The New York Times that exposed an extensive and largely hidden Pentagon campaign to transform network military analysts into ?surrogates? and ?message force multipliers? for the Bush administration. The articles also showed how military analysts with ties to defense contractors sometimes used their special access to seek advantage in the competition for contracts related to Iraq and Afghanistan. The report released in January took issue with the articles. [It] has been the subject of controversy, with some members of Congress calling it a ?whitewash? marred by obvious factual errors. For example, the report erroneously listed many military analysts as having no ties whatsoever to defense contractors. Note: The author of this article, David Barstow, won a 2009 Pulitzer prize for exposing military corruption, yet the press gave virtually no coverage to his prize. Why does it seem that the media don't want us to know about military influence on the news we receive? _____ Barstow Who? April 24, 2009, Newsweek blog http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2009/04/24/barstow-who.aspx We missed this story from earlier this week, but think it's still worth sharing. Glenn Greenwald over at Salon.com wrote an interesting column on Tuesday about the lack of cable news coverage related to New York Times journalist David Barstow's Pulitzer Prize for investigative journalism. Barstow wrote two fascinating, deeply researched stories last year about how retired generals, acting as military analysts for cable channels, had been co-opted by the Pentagon to push their line on the war. He also discovered that the generals had, as the Pulitzer committee describes it "undisclosed ties to companies than benefited from the policies they defended." Greenwald notes that there was a virtual moratorium on discussing Barstow's prize on TV. Brian William at NBC just said that the NYT had won five awards, and CNN's write-up didn't even mention Barstow's name. You can read Greenwald's piece here . Note: For lots more on major media cover-ups, click here. _____ Investments Can Yield More on K Street, Study Indicates April 12, 2009, Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/11/AR2009041102035.html In a remarkable illustration of the power of lobbying in Washington, a study released last week found that a single tax break in 2004 earned companies $220 for every dollar they spent on the issue -- a 22,000 percent rate of return on their investment. The study by researchers at the University of Kansas underscores the central reason that lobbying has become a $3 billion-a-year industry in Washington: It pays. The paper by three Kansas professors examined the impact of a one-time tax break approved by Congress in 2004 that allowed multinational corporations to "repatriate" profits earned overseas, effectively reducing their tax rate on the money from 35 percent to 5.25 percent. More than 800 companies took advantage of the legislation, saving an estimated $100 billion in the process, according to the study. The largest recipients of tax breaks were concentrated in the pharmaceutical and technology fields, including Pfizer, Merck, Hewlett Packard, Johnson & Johnson and IBM. Pfizer alone repatriated $37 billion, representing 70 percent of its revenue in 2004, the study found. The now-beleaguered financial industry also benefited from the provision, including Citigroup, J.P. Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley and Merrill Lynch, all of which have since received tens of billions of dollars in federal bailout money. The researchers calculated an average rate of return of 22,000 percent for those companies that helped lobby for the tax break. Note: For lots more on corporate corruption from reliable sources, click here . _____ Key Articles From Years Past _____ Jury convicts former FBI agent in mob killing November 6, 2008, MSNBC/Associated Press http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27579928/wid/11915829 Former FBI agent John Connolly was convicted ... of second-degree murder for leaking information to Boston mobsters that led to the 1982 shooting death of a gambling executive who also had ties to gangsters. Prosecutors said former World Jai-Alai president John Callahan was killed after Connolly warned gangsters that Callahan might implicate them in other slayings. Boston mob kingpins James "Whitey" Bulger and Stephen "The Rifleman" Flemmi were FBI informants handled by Connolly. Connolly was convicted in 2002 of racketeering because of his relationship with Bulger and Flemmi, including a 1995 tip that enabled Bulger to escape arrest and begin a life on the run that continues to this day. Bulger is one of the FBI's "Ten Most Wanted" fugitives. The story that unfolded over the past two months in a Miami courtroom spanned more than two decades of Boston's underworld, a tale that has already spawned several books and was the basis for the 2006 Martin Scorcese film "The Departed." Connolly retired from the FBI in 1990 and was later indicted on federal racketeering and other charges stemming from his long relationship with Bulger and Flemmi, who paid the agent $235,000 over the years for protection, according to trial testimony. In a case considered one of the FBI's worst failures, Connolly was convicted in 2002 and is serving a 10-year federal prison sentence in the corruption case. He was indicted in 2005 in the killing of Callahan, 45, whose body was found stuffed in the trunk of his Cadillac at Miami International Airport in August 1982. _____ Method and Apparatus for Tunneling by Melting September 22, 1972, US Patent and Trademark Office http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser... The invention described herein was made in the course of, or under, a contract with the U. S. ATOMIC ENERGY COMMISSION. It relates ... to a method and apparatus for drilling, tunneling and shaft-sinking in rock with particular advantage at hitherto inaccessible depths. The present invention uses the basic apparatus and method disclosed in U.S. Pat. No. 3,357,505 and in Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory of the University of California Report No. LA-3243 (1965) entitled "Rock Melting as a Drilling Technique." In the existing rock melting devices of the prior art, a major difficulty which limited performance was that of delivering a sufficiently large heat flux to the melting face of the drill or penetrator. The development of the heat pipe alleviates this problem in that the use of heat pipes enables the transfer of heat energy from a compact heat source to the extended melting surface of the penetrator at rates high enough to maintain the surface above the melting temperature of the rock. The extrapolation of a mechanism useful for forming large holes in the earth in accordance with the present invention uses the combination of a refractory rock-melting tool, an in situ heat source preferably a small nuclear reactor and an exceedingly efficient heat transfer mechanism such as a system of heat pipes to convey heat from the source to the walls of the drilling tool. Note: This patent shows that government scientists at Los Alamos were using a "small nuclear reactor" to drill underground tunnels. Several of the inventors listed on the patent worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory, including: McInteer, Berthus B.; Mills, Robert L.; Potter, Robert M.; Robinson, Eugene S.; Rowley, John C.; and Smith, Morton C.. For photos and more fascinating information on this most intriguing patent, click here. _____ Notable quote by world-famous Harvard economics professor John Kenneth Galbraith: "The modern obsession with economics, the main preoccuption of Western politicians and a staple of newspaper and television reporting tends to overlook some of the most basic, but also the most puzzling aspects of wealth. 'Much discussion of money involves a heavy overlay of priestly incantation' one of the most civilised economists tells us. There is nothing about money that cannot be understood by the person of reasonable curiosity, diligence and intelligence.'" To verify the above quote, see Google's scanned image of this page. To learn some of the most important, overlooked basics about money and banking, click here. Special note: For those of you who don't know, Monsanto is one of the mega-corporations which has played a key role in promoting products which are very damaging to humankind, like GMOs and aspartame. For a revealing documentary focused specifically on this most powerful company, click here. For a fabulously inspiring, 20 minute TED Talks video of Hans Rosling showing that though our world is currently facing serious challenges, we have made and continue to make incredible progress over the last 100 years, click here . Final Note: WantToKnow.info believes it is important to balance disturbing cover-up information with inspirational writings which call us to be all that we can be and to work together for positive change. 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URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Mon May 18 15:36:25 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:36:25 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Environmentalists happy with Obama; industry less so Message-ID: <001601c9d800$b5ab1ea0$21015be0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 1:39 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Environmentalists happy with Obama; industry less so (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/68289.html Environmentalists happy with Obama; industry less so Les Blumenthal | McClatchy Newspapers last updated: May 15, 2009 04:07:19 PM WASHINGTON - Interior Secretary Ken Salazar was defiant as an aide slipped him a note during his testimony before the House interior appropriations subcommittee. Led by two Republican senators upset by the Obama administration's decision to cancel oil and gas leases near two national parks in southern Utah's Red Rock Canyon region, the Senate had just blocked the White House nominee for the No. 2 slot at the Interior Department. Dismissing the vote as "bitter obstructionism," Salazar said he wasn't about to second-guess his decision on the Utah leases. "I have no regrets," he told the subcommittee last week. In the nearly four months since taking office, the Obama administration has moved quickly, relentlessly and without apology to roll back the natural resource and public lands policies of its predecessor. Though they have yet to lay out their own vision in detail, Salazar and other administration officials have left no doubt that they consider the Bush approach misguided and unfairly weighted toward timber, mining, oil and other interests. "We have had some rough years," Forest Service chief Gail Kimbell, a holdover from the Bush administration and a "green suiter" who came up through the ranks of her agency, said in earlier testimony before the interior appropriations subcommittee. During the past 120 days, the Obama administration has put on hold or reversed Bush administration plans for oil and gas drilling on the Outer Continental Shelf and for the northern spotted owl, endangered Pacific salmon and mountaintop mining in the Appalachians. It's signed a bill protecting 2 million acres of wilderness, moved to bolster the budgets of the major federal lands agencies, appointed scientists to top policy posts and provided another $55 million to speed the largest dam removal in U.S. history on Washington state's Elwha River. The White House also shut down an end run around the Endangered Species Act that would have allowed the Forest Service to sell timber, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to build levees and dredge rivers, and other federal agencies to take action without consulting those responsible for administering the act. "There has been a remarkable shift in priorities by this administration," said Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash., the chairman of the House interior appropriations subcommittee. There also have been controversies for environmentalists. The administration's plan to eliminate $80 million in funding for mostly small river and stream projects to restore salmon habitat stunned Dicks and others West Coast lawmakers. He and some other lawmakers also were uneasy over the administration's plan to reopen the Statute of Liberty despite safety and security concerns. Environmentalists were unhappy with the decision to remove federal protections for wolves in the northern Rockies and to continue the Bush administration policy of barring the consideration of greenhouse gas emissions and climate change while developing a plan to protect endangered polar bears. The new administration also has yet to wade into the dispute over the fate of 60 million acres of federal lands that are de facto wilderness and free of roads. "It's not that everything is perfect, but when you step back it's a pretty impressive start," said Bill Arthur, a deputy national field director for the Sierra Club who's based in Seattle. Some in industry are taking a wait-and-see attitude. Others are already critical. Given that the administration has extended the public comment period on offshore drilling for another six months, oil and gas industry officials are skeptical. "They have said oil and gas is important in the future, but all the decisions have been delay, delay, delay," said Denise McCourt, the industry relations director for the American Petroleum Institute. "Because of their strong focus on alternative fuel, there is a sense of no more oil and gas. We are in a wait and see." The number of catastrophic fires is growing and the fire season is now year-round, in part because of global warming. Nearly 50 percent of the Forest Service's budget has been spent on fighting fires, and the agency's accounts for such things as reforestation have been raided to help pay for it. The administration's recent budget plan would increase funding to fight fires by more than $400 million, to $1.4 billion. However, Dicks said funding remained flat for reducing hazardous fuels on federal lands and other so-called healthy forest initiatives. Even so, Tom Partin of the American Forest Resource Council in Portland, Ore., said it remained to be seen where the administration would come down when it came to managing the forests. "I think they understand there is a problem in the forests and they need to do something soon," Partin said. "We are cautiously optimistic." One way to track what the administration's plans are is by following the money for such agencies as the Forest Service, the Interior Department and the Environmental Protection Agency. During the Bush administration, Dicks said, Forest Service funding was down 35 percent, EPA funding down 29 percent and Interior Department funding down 18 percent. Under the budget Obama recently sent to Congress, Dicks said, funding for the Forest Service is up 3 percent, Interior is up 9 percent and the EPA is up 29 percent. "We are still not back to where we should be had we received appropriate support from the previous administration," Dicks said. "Although there are some holes, the new budget requests are better than what we have been accustomed to." Some environmentalists greeted Salazar's appointment as interior secretary with concern. Though he was from a Western state, Colorado, they considered him too close to business interests, and viewed his support for protecting public lands as suspect. "The jury is still out on Salazar," said Bob Irvin, the senior vice president for conservation programs at Defenders of Wildlife. "We are certainly encouraged by some of the decisions, but let's see how they are doing in six months." Environmentalists have praised other appointments as the administration seeks to restore science as a primary factor in making decisions on natural resources and public lands. The new head of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which oversees federal ocean and fisheries policies and will play a crucial role in developing climate change policies, is Jane Lubchenco, a marine ecologist and a professor at Oregon State University. "The most fundamental thing he (Obama) has done is bring science out of the closet, or better yet out of jail and taken off the handcuffs," said Arthur, of the Sierra Club. "This guy has moved further and faster than any president I have seen." From maryrose333 at att.net Mon May 18 13:52:28 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 12:52:28 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Fw: AWESOME NASA PICTURES... Message-ID: <00d501c9d7f2$305f4fe0$911defa0$@net> don't miss these photos if at all possible -- agree they are absolutely stunning. Thank you, Rob for sharing. m r From: GeorgeCSDS at aol.com [mailto:GeorgeCSDS at aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 11:23 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: Fwd: Fw: AWESOME NASA PICTURES... OK; so I'm a softie about engineering ;-)/:-( Bi-polar Rob requires Powerpoint ************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "rita george" Subject: Fw: AWESOME NASA PICTURES... Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:07:50 -0700 Size: 5278920 URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Mon May 18 18:37:24 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:37:24 -0700 Subject: [GJM] On Facebook Message-ID: <001a01c9d819$fe31fa40$fa95eec0$@net> Denis Waitley wrote on Facebook: Depending upon the government for your future financial security is like hiring an accountant who is a compulsive gambler. Also, if success in life were based on luck, Las Vegas would be a ghosttown! And I wrote back: I want to aid people in moving into a level of consciousness where self-governance is the rule. I'm tired of living in a gambling casino economy. Facebook has over 200 million people on it. Want an audience? Want to be heard? Join Facebook and begin Social Networking. Radio and TV are a thing of the past - today you can do your own show and create your own following. This is a voluntary endorsement of Facebook and the opportunity it provides to be heard and make a difference. mary rose FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk Tue May 19 07:11:18 2009 From: dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk (robert searle) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:11:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GJM] Toxic Textbooks Website. Message-ID: <682190.97702.qm@web27404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> This maybe of interest. http://www.toxictextbooks.com/ R.Searle. From dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk Tue May 19 09:13:45 2009 From: dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk (robert searle) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:13:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GJM] Richard Cook on You Tube Again. Message-ID: <5141.89341.qm@web27403.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Dear All, This might be of interest.Infact, there are now quite a few references to Richard Cook on You Tube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOAyNG7nh5A&feature=channel_page Robert Searle From maryrose333 at att.net Tue May 19 12:55:47 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:55:47 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] As the political consensus collapses, now all dissenters face suppression Message-ID: <005601c9d8b3$6f248620$4d6d9260$@net> There is no need for anyone to be a physical dissenter and risk police action. Studies show that we can change the world by using the power of our mind to send out silent messages which maintain a coherence pattern in which the vibrations of a community are maintained somewhere in the vicinity of 600 to 1,000 hertz. As people join in a meditation, together we are "being the change we wish to see in our lives." This is what is happening as people join the Global Coherence Project set up by the Institute of HeartMath. http://www.heartmath.org/templates/ihm/section_includes/about_us/pdf/Global_ Coherence_Monitoring_System.pdf -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:53 AM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] As the political consensus collapses, now all dissenters face suppression (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) As the political consensus collapses, now all dissenters face suppression Peaceful protest - or 'domestic extremism' - is being put down with increasing violence by our police forces. "This is Monbiot's most important statement since his groundbreaking work: The Age of Consent." Michael Carmichael - [image: George Monbiot] - - George Monbiot - guardian.co.uk , Monday 18 May 2009 20.30 BST - Article history The principal cause of man's unhappiness is that he has learnt to stay quietly in his own room. If our needs are not met, if justice is not done, it is because we are not prepared to leave our homes and agitate for change. Blaise Pascal ("the sole cause of man's unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his own room") couldn't have been more wrong. We do not starve, we are not arbitrarily imprisoned, we may vote, travel and read and write what we wish only because of the political activism of previous generations. Almost all MPs will acknowledge this. Were it not for public protest they wouldn't be MPs. Yet, though the people of this country remain as mild and as peaceful as they have ever been, our MPs have introduced a wider range of repressive measures than at any time since the second world war. A long list of laws - the 1997 Protection from Harassment Act, Terrorism Act 2000, Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, the 2005 Serious Crime and Police Act and many others - treat peaceful protesters as if they are stalkers, vandals, thugs and terrorists. Thousands of harmless, public-spirited people now possess criminal records. This legislation has been enforced by policing which becomes more aggressive and intrusive by the month. The police attacks on the G20 protests (which are about to be challenged by a judicial review launched by Climate Camp) are just the latest expression of this rising state violence. Why is it happening? Before I try to answer this, let me give you an idea of just how weird policing in Britain has become. A few weeks ago, like everyone in mid-Wales, I received a local policing summary from the Dyfed-Powys force. It contained a section headed Terrorism and Domestic Extremism. "Work undertaken is not solely focused on the threat from international terrorists. Attention has also been paid to the potential threat that domestic extremists and campaigners can pose." I lodged a freedom of information request to try to discover what this meant. What threat do -campaigners pose? I've just been told by the police that they don't intend to reply within the statutory period, or to tell me when they will. I'll complain of course, and (in 2019 or so) I'll let you know the result. But Paul Mobbs of the Free Range Network has found what appears to be an explanation. Under the heading "Protect[ing] the country from both terrorism and domestic extremism", the Dyfed-Powys Police website repeats the line about domestic extremists and campaigners. "In this context, the Force was praised for its management of the slaughter of what was felt to be a sacred animal from the Skanda Vale religious community in Carmarthenshire." You might remember it: this Hindu community tried to prevent Shambo the bull from being culled by the government after he tested positive for TB. His defenders sought a judicial review and launched a petition. When that failed, they sang and prayed. That's all. Mobbs has also found a bulletin circulated among Welsh forces at the end of last year, identifying the "new challenges and changes" the police now face. Under "Environmental" just two are listed: congestion charging and "eco-terrorism". Eco-terrorism is a charge repeatedly levelled against the environment movement, mostly by fossil fuel lobbyists. But, as far as I can discover, there has not been a single recorded instance of a planned attempt to harm people in the cause of environmental protection in the UK over the past 30 years or more. So what do the police mean by eco-terrorism? It appears to refer to any environmental action more radical than writing letters to your MP. The Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) now runs three units whose purpose is to tackle another phenomenon it has never defined: domestic extremism. These are the National Extremism Tactical Coordination Unit (Netcu), the Welsh Extremism and Counter-Terrorism Unit and the National Public Order Intelligence Unit. Because Acpo is not a public body but a private limited company, the three bodies are exempt from freedom of information laws and other kinds of public accountability, even though they are funded by the Home Office and deploy police officers from regional forces. So it's hard to work out exactly what they do, apart from libelling peaceful protesters. I wrote a column in December about the smears published by Netcu, which described villagers in Oxfordshire peacefully seeking to prevent a power company from filling their local lake with fly ash as a "domestic extremist campaign". It also sought to smear peace campaigners, Greenpeace and Climate Camp with the same charge. Netcu's site went down on the day my column was published and hasn't been restored since. But we have only patchy evidence of what else these three unaccountable bodies have been up to. They appear to have adopted the role once filled by Special Branch's counter-subversion campaign, which spied on Labour activists, including Jack Straw and Peter Mandelson (sadly the spooks failed to bump them off while there was still time). But as Paul Mobbs points out in his new report on Britain's secretive police forces, today the police appear to be motivated not by party political bias but by hostility towards all views which do not reflect the official consensus. Mobbs proposes that mainstream politics in Britain cannot respond to realities such as global and national inequality, economic collapse, resource depletion and climate change. Any politics that does not endorse the liberal economic consensus, which challenges the concentration of wealth or power, or which doesn't accept that growth and consumerism can be sustained indefinitely, is off-limits. Just as the suffragettes were repressed because their ideas - not their actions - presented a threat to the state, the government and the police must suppress a new set of dangerous truths. By treating protesters as domestic extremists, the state marginalises their concerns: if people are extremists, their views must be extreme. Repression, in a nominal democracy, cannot operate accountably, so the state uses police units which are exempt from public scrutiny. I am sure Mobbs is right. There is no place for dissenting views in mainstream politics. I was told recently by a Labour backbencher - a respected MP untainted by the expenses scandal - that "if the door was open just an inch to new ideas, I would stay on. But it has been slammed shut, so I'm resigning at the next election." Our grossly unfair electoral system, which responds to the concerns of just a few thousand floating voters and shuts out the minor parties; the vicious crackdown on dissent within parliament by whips and spin doctors; the neoliberalism forced upon governments by corporate power and the Washington consensus; the terror of the tabloid press - all combine to create a political culture which cannot respond to altered realities without collapsing. What cannot be accommodated must be suppressed. The police respond as all police forces do; protecting the incasts from the outcasts, keeping the barbarians from the gate. The philosophy of policing has not changed; they just become more violent as the citadel collapses. -- Michael Carmichael Planetary/USA www.planetarymovement.org From maryrose333 at att.net Tue May 19 17:51:35 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:51:35 -0700 Subject: [GJM] Simplicity on the Outside, Complexity on the Inside Message-ID: <009101c9d8dc$c213c4d0$463b4e70$@net> SIMPLICITY ON THE OUTSIDE, COMPLEXITY ON THE INSIDE, By Carolyn Baker PDF Print E-mail Tuesday, 19 May 2009 As I dialog with readers of Truth to Power and countless numbers of other individuals around the world who are collapse-aware and are consciously navigating it, I am profoundly moved by their stories of the internal preparation that has occurred and continues to flourish as they hunker down for some of the most dramatic transitions in the history of life on earth. Some people tell me that the notion of living simply became increasingly appealing as they found themselves suffocating in possessions, consumerism, and the overall busy-ness of advancing their careers, parenting children, maintaining properties, and living the conventional middle class lifestyle. In fact, for some, the burden became so unbearable that life seemed scarcely worth living, and as they felt progressively more devoured by the complexity of their lives, questions of meaning could no longer be ignored or swept under the rug. For others, it was those nagging questions like "What is this all for anyway?" that surfaced first, leading them to investigate Peak Oil, climate change, and other thorny topics of transition. Perhaps marriages ended, careers crashed, financial devastation erupted, or other losses invaded their lives like emotional Katrinas, engulfing people, activities, accomplishments, or possessions that had previously offered a sense of purpose. Whatever the scenarios that have led people to collapse awareness, the complexity that attends their awakening is never far from the simplicity they have chosen to embrace. One of my favorite writers, psychotherapist Thomas Moore, notes in his book Original Self:Living With Pardox and Originality, that "Simplifying the externals allows us to cultivate a rich inner and outer life. A cluttered existence may keep us busy, but busyness doesn't mean that we are fully engaged in what we are doing." In fact, the busy-ness serves to prevent us from being present to ourselves, our work, and those we love. Remove it, and we are confronted with deeper levels of our relationship with everything and everyone. For the rest of this article, please go to this link: http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/1101/1/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 424 bytes Desc: not available URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Tue May 19 18:38:09 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:38:09 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] New York Times Falsifies Obama-Netanyahu Meeting Message-ID: <00aa01c9d8e3$42ea31b0$c8be9510$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:12 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] New York Times Falsifies Obama-Netanyahu Meeting (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) New York Times Falsifies Obama-Netanyahu Meeting David Bromwich, Professor of Literature at Yale May 19, 2009 11:43 AM http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/inew-york-timesi-falsifie_b_205 201.html The New York Times assigned to the story a campaign-trail reporter, Sheryl Gay Stolberg, whose political perceptions are bland and whose knowledge of Israeli-American relations is an antiseptic zero. At the newspaper of record, a thing like that does not happen by accident. They took the most anxiously awaited meeting with a foreign leader of President Obama's term thus far, and buried it on page 12. The coverage of a major event, which the same newspaper had greeted only the day before by running an oversize attack-Iran op-ed by Jeffrey Goldberg, has officially now shrunk to the scale of a smaller op-ed. What is more disturbing and far more consequential is that the Times made this meeting into a story about Iran. They read into Obama's careful and measured remarks exactly the hostile intention toward Iran and the explicit deadline for results from his negotiations with Iran that Obama had taken great pains to avoid stating. Obama's relevant remark was this: My expectation would be that if we can begin discussions soon, shortly after the Iranian elections, we should have a fairly good sense by the end of the year as to whether they are moving in the right direction and whether the parties involved are making progress and that there's a good faith effort to resolve differences. That doesn't mean every issue would be resolved by that point, but it does mean that we'll probably be able to gauge and do a reassessment by the end of the year of this approach. "Shortly after," "fairly good sense," "the right direction," "good faith effort," "probably," "by the end of the year." This was a language chosen deliberately to cool the fever of Netanyahu and his far-right War Coalition in Israel. But Stolberg, writing for the Times, converts these hedged and vague suggestions into a revelation that Obama for the first time seemed "willing to set even a general timetable for progress in talks with Iran." In fact, as any reader of the transcript may judge, President Obama sounded a more urgent note about the progress Israel ought to make in yielding what it long has promised to the Palestinian people. Palestine was the proper name that dominated Obama's side of the news conference. In the Times story, by contrast, the word Iran occurs three times before the first mention of "Palestinians." Iran is mentioned twice more before the words West Bank are uttered once. Regarding the necessity of a Palestinian state, President Obama was explicit: We have seen progress stalled on this front, and I suggested to the Prime Minister that he has an historic opportunity to get a serious movement on this issue during his tenure. And when Netanyahu said the Israeli attitude toward Palestine would completely depend on the details of progress toward securing Iran against the acquisition of a single nuclear weapon, Obama replied that his view was almost the reverse. In a leader as averse as Barack Obama to the slightest public hint of personal conflict, this was a critical moment in the exchange; how far, a reporter asked Obama, did he assent to the Netanyahu concept of "linkage" -- the idea that first the U.S. must deal with Iran, and a more obliging Israeli approach to Palestine will surely follow. Obama answered: I recognize Israel's legitimate concerns about the possibility of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon when they have a president who has in the past said that Israel should not exist. That would give any leader of any country pause. Having said that, if there is a linkage between Iran and the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, I personally believe it actually runs the other way. To the extent that we can make peace with the Palestinians -- between the Palestinians and the Israelis -- then I actually think it strengthens our hand in the international community in dealing with a potential Iranian threat. This was a reluctantly formulated but direct and inescapable inversion of the Netanyahu doctrine on linkage. Not a trace of it appears in the Times account. Finally, Gaza was much in President Obama's mind and on his conscience at this meeting; so much so that he broke decorum and stepped out of his way to mention it: The fact is, is that if the people of Gaza have no hope, if they can't even get clean water at this point, if the border closures are so tight that it is impossible for reconstruction and humanitarian efforts to take place, then that is not going to be a recipe for Israel's long-term security or a constructive peace track to move forward. And yet not a word from Stolberg and the Times about these words of Obama's on Gaza. Nor was any analytic piece offered as a supplement -- the usual procedure in assessing an event of this importance. To sum up, what happened at the meeting can be judged plainly enough by the news conference that followed. Binyamin Netanyahu tried to make it all about Iran. Obama declined, and spoke again and again about the importance of peace in the entire region, and the crucial role that Israel would have to play by freezing the West Bank settlements and negotiating in good faith to achieve a Palestinian state. Let us end where we began, with Barack Obama on the good of peaceable relations with Iran, and the New York Times on the importance of thinking such relations are close to impossible. President Obama: "You know, I don't want to set an artificial deadline." Now the Times headline: "Obama Tells Netanyahu He Has a Timetable on Iran." And the Times front-page teaser for their A12 story: "Obama's Iran Timetable." The decision-makers at the New York Times are acting again as if their readers had no other means of checking the facts they report. They are saying the thing that is not, without remembering that the record which refutes them has become easily and quickly available. A great newspaper is dying. And on the subject of Israel, it is doing its best to earn its death-warrant. From maryrose333 at att.net Wed May 20 00:22:36 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 23:22:36 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Torturer in Chief: Media Pick Pelosi over Cheney Message-ID: <00da01c9d913$61179030$2346b090$@net> More "wag the dog." -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:56 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Torturer in Chief: Media Pick Pelosi over Cheney (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) "Did they order abuse specifically to extract an Al Qaeda/ Saddam Hussein link ? Maybe. But we'll never know, because instead of even asking the question, the headline story in the media has become: "Nancy Pelosi is a hypocrite." " Published on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 by Grit TV Torturer in Chief: Media Pick Pelosi over Cheney http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/19-8 by Laura Flanders Beltway journalists seem finally to have a found a torture story they like. Mind you, not the one about the Bush/Cheney White House possibly okaying drowning to extract "information" to justify an Iraq attack -- not that story. The story the Beltway bulldogs have decided to get stuck into is a story about Democrats. Let's recap. Prosecutions of members of the Bush/Cheney administration became a real possibility last month. As part of an ongoing court case, the Department of Justice released memos detailing techniques approved for use on terror suspects. CIA interrogators were given legal authorization to use water torture, to slam an alleged "high-value" detainee's head against a wall, to place insects inside a "confinement box" to induce fear, and force a detainee to remain awake for 11 consecutive days. All that, according to a memo signed by the former head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), Jay Bybee now a federal judge. Subsequent reports including commentary by an FBI interrogator who interrogated one of the same suspects by traditional -- non-torture -- means, suggests that even knowing (as most interrogators did) that torture produces untrustworthy evidence (because torture victims make things up to make the torture stop), officials at the highest level in the Bush/Cheney administration okayed torture tactics. Did they order abuse specifically to extract an Al Qaeda/ Saddam Hussein link ? Maybe. But we'll never know, because instead of even asking the question, the headline story in the media has become: "Nancy Pelosi is a hypocrite." "Pelosi a hypocrite" vs. "Cheney okayed torture for political reasons:" It seems easy to pick the hotter scoop. Yet David Gregory (of Meet the Press) was all over Pelosi as were the rest of the Sunday squawkers this weekend. On Fox News they talk about almost nothing else. Why didn't the House speaker push back harder? When did she actually know what? Was she right to hold a press conference blaming the CIA? They're not bad questions. They're important questions. But when it comes to torture, is Pelosi the thorn or the point? "This is not where the White House wants the public discussion to be," Gregory said on Morning Joe. Too right. But it's bigger than that. On this question of torture-for-war or Pelosi political mis-step, it's not just the White House that wants a different conversation. It's America. We need accountability for torture -- and prosecutions -- if we don't want heinous practises to continue. And we need a press that grasps, not avoids, the serious questions. Scrutinize Pelosi all you like -- but right after Cheney's shut up and Bybee's off the bench. From maryrose333 at att.net Wed May 20 00:28:37 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 23:28:37 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Inadequate & Misleading Times & Post coverage of Obama-Netanyahu summit Message-ID: <00db01c9d914$391a7ba0$ab4f72e0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:41 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Inadequate & Misleading Times & Post coverage of Obama-Netanyahu summit (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) *In a searing column on the Huffington Post, David Bromwich dissects the distorted coverage of the summit between Obama and Netanyahu that appeared in the New York Times. The Times story was written by a relatively unknown reporter, and it was relegated to page 12 when it should have appeared on the front page above the fold. Bromwich sighs that it seems like the death of a great newspaper. Coverage in the Post was hardly less slanted. In order to give American readers a better idea of the international coverage of this important meeting, I have compiled a short set of links below. As usual, European and Middle Eastern coverage is far more objective than American. The effect is that the global audience is being informed about Obama's shift in foreign policy, and the US public is being deliberately disinformed. Michael Carmichael New York Times * Falsifies Obama-Netanyahu Meeting Israel wants peace talks, Binyamin Netanyahu tells Barack Obama . US president says Israel must honour commitments Obama reiterates support for Palestinian state during Netanyahu visit Netanyahu 'wants new peace talks' Arabs get the message on the Obama-Netanyahu meeting Obama and Netanyahu differ in talks Israel goes cold on plan for regional peace deal Leading article: Mr Obama's bold new strategy -- Michael Carmichael Planetary/USA www.planetarymovement.org From maryrose333 at att.net Wed May 20 11:30:59 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:30:59 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Soy Protein Used in "Natural" Foods Bathed in Toxic Solvent Hexane Message-ID: <004501c9d970$c10e8a90$432b9fb0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:10 AM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Soy Protein Used in "Natural" Foods Bathed in Toxic Solvent Hexane (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) Soy Protein Used in "Natural" Foods Bathed in Toxic Solvent Hexane Wednesday, May 20, 2009 by: Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor http://www.naturalnews.com/026303.html (NaturalNews) Virtually all "protein bars" on the market today are made with soy protein. Many infant formula products are also made with soy protein, and thousands of vegetarian products (veggie burgers, veggie cheese, "natural" food bars, etc.) are made with soy protein. That soy protein is almost always described as safe and "natural" by the companies using it. But there's a dirty little secret the soy product industry doesn't want you to know: Much of the "natural" soy protein used in foods today is bathed in a toxic, explosive chemical solvent known as hexane. To determine the true extent of this hexane contamination, NaturalNews joined forces with the Cornucopia Institute (www.Cornucopia.org) to conduct testing of hexane residues in soy meal and soy grits using FDA-approved and USDA-approved laboratories. The Cornucopia Institute performed the bulk of this effort, and NaturalNews provided funding to help cover laboratory costs. The results proved to be worrisome: Hexane residues of 21ppm were discovered in soy meal commonly used to produce soy protein for infant formula, protein bars and vegetarian food products. These laboratory results appear to indicate that consumers who purchase common soy products might be exposing themselves (and their children) to residues of the toxic chemical HEXANE -- a neurotoxic substance produced as a byproduct of gasoline refining. But how dangerous is hexane, exactly? Is it something that could be dangerous at a few parts per million? And which soy-based products on the market right now might be contaminated with hexane? To answer these questions, NaturalNews looked into public documents surrounding Martek Biosciences Corporation, a company that manufactures DHA for infant formula, using hexane for extraction. We found disturbing details about Martek, including a documented explosion in the wastewater treatment system downstream from the manufacturing plant. This explosion was caused by hexane pollution. We also found documents revealing Martek's application for permission to pollute hexane into the environment, as well as a planned emission cap that would put the company just under the limit for being considered a "major polluter" of Hazardous Air Pollutants. Additional documents reveal concerning information about the safety of Martek's oils used in infant formula. All this information is being released in tomorrow's feature story on NaturalNews, so be sure to check back to read that. The remainder of this story focuses on the use of hexane in soy products. What you probably never knew about Hexane extraction To learn more about the use of hexane in the health industry -- and in soy products in particular -- we turn to the Cornucopia Institute's recently-published report called Behind the Bean (http://www.cornucopia.org/2009/05/s...) This report contains some of the most shocking information you've probably ever read about the possible dangers of this chemical solvent used in the processing of soy. Here are some highlights of what it explains about hexane: (Quotation marks indicate exact verbiage from the Behind the Bean report.) .. Hexane is a petroleum chemical produced as a by-product of gasoline refining. .. "Hexane is used to process nearly all conventional soy protein ingredients and edible oils and is prohibited when processing organic foods." .. Soybeans are bathed in hexane as part of their processing by food manufacturers. .. "Hexane is a neurotoxic chemical that poses serious occupational hazards to workers, is an environmental air pollutant, and can contaminate food." .. Hexane has been detected as a chemical contaminant in soy-based foods. .. There is no requirement that food companies test their products for hexane residues (including soy-based infant formula). .. Soy protein isolate and texturized soy protein (TVP) are made using hexane baths. .. "The soy protein ingredients in most nonorganic foods such as vegetarian burgers and nutrition bars are processed with the use of hexane." .. Shocker: "Products such as Clif Bars with the label "made with organic oats and soybeans" are required by law to have 70% organic ingredients -- the remaining 30%, however, can legally be hexane extracted." Soybean processing releases hexane into the environment Perhaps one of the most shocking realizations in all this is that soybean processing facilities release huge amounts of hexane chemicals into the environment. It is an unavoidable part of the hexane extraction process, and right now tens of millions of pounds of hexane are being released into the atmosphere each year by soy processing companies like Archer Daniels Midland and Cargill. Here are more startling facts about the release of hexane chemicals by soybean processing facilities: (cited from Behind the Bean by the Cornucopia Institute) (http://www.cornucopia.org/2009/05/s...) (Quotation marks indicate a direct quotation from the Cornucopia Institute's report. Non-quotation marks indicate paraphrasing of this source.) .. Soybean processing plants release hexane into both the air and water. .. Hexane is considered by the EPA to be a hazardous air pollutant. It defines this as airborne compounds "that cause or may cause cancer or other serious health effects, such as reproductive effects or birth defects, or adverse environmental and ecological effects." .. "In 2007, the last year for which data is available from the EPA Toxics Release Inventory, grain processors were responsible for more than two-thirds of all hexane emissions in the United States, releasing 21 million pounds of this hazardous air pollutants." .. A soy processing facility owned by Archer Daniels Midland (ADM) in Decatur Illinois reportedly released almost 2 million pounds of hexane into the environment in a single year! Each year in Illinois, ADM, Cargill, Bunge and other companies release nearly 5 million pounds of hexane into the environment. .. "Solae, a major supplier of soy protein ingredients found in vegetarian burgers, energy bars, and other "all-natural" foods, emitted nearly one million pounds of hexane, as a pollutant, from its factories in Ohio and Illinois. Its plant in Bellevue, Ohio, is the nation's seventh largest emitter of hexane, releasing more of this hazardous air pollutant than other major sources such as Exxon Mobil's oil refinery plant in Baytow, Texas, and Firestone's tire factory in Orange, Texas." .. "On August 29, 2003, two workers died when hexane gas in a Sioux City, Iowa, soybean processing plant ignited." .. Hexane explosions have occurred in Italy, Mexico (200 dead) and South Africa, often killing or injuring chemical plant workers. .. In 2001, a truck carrying 4,500 gallons of hexane caught fire and exploded, injuring the truck driver and setting fire to nearby homes. .. Hexane also poses a serious health danger to workers: "Workers who come in dermal (skin) contact with hexane experience immediate irritation characterized by erythema and hyperemia, and they develop blisters after several hours." .. According to The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), the permissible exposure level of hexane is 500 parts per million (ppm) for workers with 8-hour exposures. Exposures of 800 ppm for 15 minutes can cause respiratory tract and eye irritation, as well as symptoms of carnosis. At higher exposure levels, workers can develop symptoms of nausea, vertigo and headaches. .. "Workers who are chronically exposed to hexane levels ranging from 400 to 600 ppm, with occasional exposures of up to 2,500 ppm, have developed polyneuropathy, a neurological disorder. In these cases, distal symmetrical muscle weakness is common, and nerve biopsies show nerve damage. A recently published peer-reviewed article in Environmental Health Perspectives hypothesizes that occupational exposure to hexane may contribute to the development of Leber hereditary optic neuropathy, a disease that causes loss of vision. Chronic exposure may also lead to blurred vision, restricted visual field, and optic nerve atrophy." (Read more details in Behind the Bean at http://www.cornucopia.org/2009/05/s... .. Almost no research has been done to test the toxicity of hexane residues in foods -- not on adults, nor infants. .. "According to EPA reports, small quantities of solvent (up to 0.2 percent by volume of oil) can be present in oil after extraction, even after solvent recovery by film evaporators and a distillation stripper. A Swiss team of scientists tested various oils and found hexane residues in some of the tested oils." .. Test results from the Cornucopia Institute's lab tests (funded in part by NaturalNews): < 10 ppm hexane residues in soy oil. Soy meal: 21 ppm hexane residues. Soy grits: 14 ppm hexane residues. .. "Most soy-based infant formulas contain ingredients that have been hexane extracted. In fact, nearly every major ingredient in conventional soy-based infant formula is hexane extracted." How can you protect yourself and your children from hexane? As these laboratory tests reveal, hexane residues may be alarmingly widespread across the "natural" foods industry. In fact, as the Cornucopia Institute reports: "...hexane-extracted soy protein is found in the vast majority of nonorganic foods with soy ingredients that appeal to health-conscious, environmentally conscious, and vegetarian consumers. For example, GardeinT is a Canadian company that produces meat analogs -- soy-based "chicken" and soy-based "beef" -- for brands and private labels including Yves CuisineR, Morningstar FarmsR, Trader Joe's, and It's All Good FoodsR, and for grocery store prepared foods departments such as Whole Foods. While the company describe its process for making these meat analogs as "pure and simple," it does not mention that it starts with hexane-extracted soy protein." In the United States, there is currently only one way of knowing for sure that the soy-based foods you purchase is free of hexane contaminants: Look for the green USDA Organic seal on the package: .. Beware of claims of "natural" soy -- Even hexane-extracted soy can be called "natural." .. Beware of claims of "made with organic soy" -- Such products may still contain non-organic soy-based ingredients extracted with hexane. .. Beware of "veggie" products containing texturized vegetable protein. Many of these products not only likely contain hexane chemical residues; they also are usually made with yeast extract, a flavoring ingredient that contains MSG, a neurotoxin. (Imagine the impact of these two neurotoxins in combination...) .. Don't feed your infant soy protein. Instead, opt for human breast milk (the best option), or goat's milk formulas such as Genesis Organics (www.GenesisOrganics.com). The bottom line - the Health Ranger's opinion >From my point of view, these highly disturbing findings about hexane residues appearing in processed soy products just confirm what we've known about these food conglomerates for a long time: Big food companies are serving up poison to infants, teens, adults and senior citizens. Not only are these food companies bathing their soy products in a neurotoxic chemical, the FDA is once again asleep at the wheel, allowing dangerous chemicals to remain prevalent in the food supply while doing virtually nothing to warn consumers or ban the toxic chemical from soy product processing. Thus, We the People once again find ourselves in the position of being poisoned by the food companies and betrayed by the FDA. If that sounds familiar, it's because this has happened again and again with toxic ingredients ranging from monosodium glutamate and aspartame to sodium nitrite and petrochemical food colorings. Big Food and the FDA, in fact, almost appear to be conspiring to poison the population... which just happens to create a windfall of profits for Big Pharma -- the other corporate master of the FDA. It's a clever scam: Poison the people with hidden chemicals in the food supply, then when their organs start to fail, drug them on monopoly-priced pharmaceuticals. Meanwhile, the FDA enforces the whole thing by outlawing real food (like raw almonds or raw organic cow's milk), thereby forcing people to eat chemically-contaminated processed food. To put icing on the (processed) cake, the FDA allows these companies using toxic chemicals to claim their products are "natural." They even allow some health claims for companies using soy in their formulas -- even when that soy has been bathed in hexane! Protect yourself from the toxicity of processed foods There is no limit to the insanity of what goes into the food supply when profits are at stake, it seems. And this use of the toxic solvent hexane to process soy that's used in infant formula, protein bars and "veggie" products is yet another example of why it's smart to avoid nearly ALL factory-made foods, regardless of their health claims. When you grow your own food (or just buy fresh produce and food staples) and prepare it in your own kitchen, you know what goes into it. You also know what's NOT in it (such as hexane or melamine). It's the only sure way to protect yourself and your family from the dangers of processed foods made by food commodity giants that are motivated by money, not concern for your health. In fact, the attitude about chemical contaminants by many U.S. food giants mirrors the attitude about melamine in infant formula as demonstrated by China's powdered milk manufacturers: "Ah, what's a little melamine gonna hurt anyway?" But it does hurt. It hurts your health and harms your children. There are 10,000 children on dialysis machines in China who can prove it to you. And that's why, in my opinion, these companies using hexane-contaminated soy protein in their products deserve to be publicly exposed, heavily fined and perhaps even shut down and run out of business. Why modern society looks the other way on chemical contamination of foods Why are companies run out of business when salmonella is found in their peanut butter (for example), but when toxic chemical solvents are found in their soy proteins, the mainstream media says nothing, the FDA does nothing, and the whole world pretends it's all just business as usual? I'll tell you why. There is an irrational, false belief that continues to permeate society today, and it's founded in the lies of Scientism and the reductionist approach to western thinking. That false belief is that chemicals are good for you, but bacteria are bad for you. This is the whole thinking behind the widespread use of antibiotics (which actually promote hospital superbugs) and the mass fumigation of California almonds (just to make sure they're no longer RAW). It's the reason why raw milk is outlawed, but chemically-contaminated soy milk is legal. It's the reason why the FDA views the food supply as safe only if it's sterile. It's the big lie about food safety, and virtually every mainstream newspaper, TV station and journalist buys into it. They think salmonella is deadly dangerous, but MSG, aspartame and sodium nitrite are just fine. They believe in the lie that chemicals are safe as long as the FDA doesn't say anything against them! But it's hogwash. A sterile food supply is a dead food supply. And dead foods don't keep people alive for very long. Hence the slow, torturous death of our aging population. Our people are not living longer; they're dying longer! I say this: We are headed for a disastrous collapse of public health stemming from the mass chemical contamination of the food supply and the genetic alteration of the human population. I've covered this in a video report called Genopocalypse which you can watch for free as a promo to TheBestDayEver.com. Check it out here: http://www.thebestdayever.com/healt... In the mean time, avoid all soy products that are not labeled USDA Organic, and don't feed yourself or your babies processed soy protein bathed in toxic hexane. From maryrose333 at att.net Wed May 20 12:56:49 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:56:49 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] States: It's taxes, taxes and more taxes Message-ID: <004b01c9d97c$c7100de0$553029a0$@net> I am posting two articles here -- one of them discussing President Obama's plans to close tax loopholes and the other talking about the raising of taxes in many states in order to meet increasing tax deficits. The question this raises, for me anyway, is whether or not we should be allowing the corporations to escape their tax responsibilities while the States and the people in them are facing tax increases? The other question that comes up for me is whether or not Soros-backed President Obama's plans to close these loopholes has anything to do with the continual bombardment of his character and motives by the Republicans, as well as the misquotes that are continually being made in the Zionist-Jewish owned media. Please recall that the media in the U.S. including Hollywood, has been shown to be 96% Zionist-Jewish owned, and that the majority of the banking/financial industry is Zionist-Jewish controlled. In an article I am unable to now find, but which crossed my desktop a week or so ago, it was revealed that if the corporations were to be compelled to pay their taxes, many states would be out of the hole, and thus not forced to raise taxes on state citizens and local enterprises. I will continue to look for this article, but it would be helpful if others might search for it as well. ____________________________________________________________________________ ____________ President Obama announces plan to close tax loopholes, offshore tax shelters http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/open-chat/99260-president-obama-announces- plan-close-tax-loopholes-offshore-tax-shelters.html _____ http://www.ironmagazine.com/images/advertisement.gif WASHINGTON - President Obama pledged Monday to crack down on American companies and individuals who hide millions of dollars in offshore tax havens. In a move likely to get the backing of a majority of Americans who don't hide their assets overseas, Obama urged Congress to approve legislation closing loopholes that could produce $210 billion in tax revenues over the next 10 years. "The steps I am announcing today will help us deal with some of the more egregious examples of what is wrong with our tax code," Obama said, joined by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner at the White House. U.S. companies are currently allowed to "defer" tax payments to the federal treasury if they reinvest taxable profits in their foreign subsidiaries. Obama says it's an unfair practice - and wants it to be the first of several tax reforms enacted on his watch. "The way to make American businesses competitive is not to let some individuals and businesses dodge their responsibilities and let ordinary Americans pick up the slack," Obama said. "It is the down payment on the larger tax reform we need to make our tax system simpler and fairer and more efficient for individuals and corporations," he added. And he wants companies to create more U.S. jobs. He called for eliminating tax breaks for outsourcing employment to low-wage countries like India and the Philippines - a head-scratching current practice. "It's a tax code that says you should pay lower taxes if you create a job in Bangalore, India, than if you create one in Buffalo, New York," Obama said. The President wants to reward companies that invest in the U.S. by extending a research and experimentation tax credit worth $74.5 billion in tax breaks over 10 years. It is not a slam-dunk proposal, however. Obama expects a major fight with corporations, lobbyists and their supporters in Congress. "This issue is about jobs in America and the competitiveness of American companies. Deferral has been mischaracterized as a 'tax break' but is actually a vital mechanism providing relief for American businesses from double taxation," said Chamber of Commerce Chief Economist Marty Regalia. "Tax increases that hurt U.S. companies' global competitiveness hurts U.S. workers here at home. A huge tax hike on U.S. employers is not the way to stimulate our economy. Congress should reject this approach," Regalia added. The Chamber of Commerce and about 200 other organizations, lobbies and corporations have signed a petition asking Congress to kill the plan. -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:26 AM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] States: It's taxes, taxes and more taxes States: It's taxes, taxes and more taxes Desperate to balance budgets, states are hiking income and sales taxes on people and businesses. http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/20/news/economy/state_tax_increases/index.htm Last Updated: May 20, 2009: 12:22 PM ET NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Facing mounting budget deficits and seeing few areas left to cut spending, states increasingly are turning to the only option they have left: raising taxes. Though public officials are loath to do this, particularly during a recession, many governors are increasing personal income taxes, raising corporate income taxes, hiking cigarette and gas taxes, or broadening sales taxes. Already, 16 states have taken this unpopular step this fiscal year, and another 17 have proposed tax hikes for the coming year, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a policy group. In many cases, they are making small increases in specific taxes, rather than imposing a broad rate hike. "The question isn't whether to raise taxes, it's which taxes to raise," said Linda Bilmes, professor of public finance at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government. Wealthier residents in Hawaii are now paying higher personal income taxes. The state increased the tax rate to 11% for single filers earning more than $200,000 and couples making more than $400,000, while also raising levies on hotel accommodations and real estate purchases. Smokers in Rhode Island, meanwhile, now pay the highest state tobacco taxes in the nation, forking over an additional $1 for a total of $3.46 in state levies per pack. California, where voters Tuesday defeated several budget measures, has already increased sales taxes by one percentage point and state income taxes by a quarter point. Now, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger says he has to make even deeper cuts to the state budget to close a $21.3 billion shortfall. States are looking at budget shortfalls exceeding $350 billion over the next two and a-half years, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. While federal stimulus money is expected to close about 40% of the gaps, governors will have to take additional steps, which likely will include more spending cuts and tax increases. "There's really no way to balance the budget in a reasonable way without looking at the tax side," said Nick Johnson, director of the center's state fiscal project. "These states are looking for balanced solutions that aren't all about cuts, cuts, cuts." A 50% proposed tax hike In one of the more extreme measures, Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn has proposed a 50% increase in state personal income and corporate taxes. He's struggling to close a nearly $11.6 billion budget gap for fiscal 2010. The governor wants to increase the personal income tax rate to 4.5%, up from the current 3%, and the corporate tax rate to 7.2%, up from 4.8% now. To offset some of the spike, the personal exemption would triple to $6,000. The hike would bring in an additional $2.8 billion in personal income tax revenue and $350 million in corporate taxes. Without this revenue, Illinois might have to let out 6,000 prisoners early and lay off half the state troopers, among other spending cuts, said Quinn, who took office in January after former Gov. Rod Blagojevich was removed. "If we don't use the public revenue of Illinois to help rescue our state economy, we're going to continue in hard times," Quinn said in a speech Monday. "It will take a significant toll on the people of Illinois if we don't raise the revenue ... to pay the bills, to make sure our state no longer has a deficit of nearly $12 billion." More tax increases on the way After enacting several tax increases affecting mainly corporations earlier this year, Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle is now turning to the residents. Facing a $6.6 billion gap for the 2010-2011 budget, the governor has proposed a one percentage point increase in the tax rate of individuals earning more than $225,000 and couples earning more than $300,000. The highest rate would grow to 7.75%, bringing in an estimated $312 million over the life of the two-year budget. Also, Doyle wants to decrease the amount of capital gains excluded from tax to 40%, down from 60%, which would bring in nearly $181 million. Finally, the governor proposed increasing the state's cigarette tax by 75 cents to $2.52 a pack. This would boost state revenue by $291 million. In February, Doyle enacted several measures, including increasing taxes on companies with multistate operations and requiring buyers of business software to pay sales taxes. These measures are expected to bring in more than $280 million, according to David Schmiedicke, the state's budget director. Even with all these tax increases, the state will still have to make $2.2 billion in cuts over the next two years. Without them, the pullback would be even worse. "If not for these targeted revenue increases, the cuts would have to be much deeper to schools, to our university system and to funding for our local police and fire departments," Schmiedicke said. Tax hikes during recessions Raising taxes during a recession is nothing new, though states usually strive to balance budgets by cutting spending first. During the recession of the early 1990s, 44 states raised taxes, adding more than $25 billion to the coffers between 1990 and 1993, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. Some 26 states increased personal or corporate income taxes, while 37 raised sales or excise taxes. Earlier this decade, some 30 states raised taxes, increasing revenue by $18.6 billion between 2001 and 2004, the center found. Ten raised personal income taxes, while 16 lifted levies on businesses. Some 16 increased either the sales tax rate or broadened the base of services and goods covered by it. And 29 raised excise taxes on cigarettes and alcohol. More tax increases are likely as states continue to struggle with the economic downturn, especially since state revenues usually don't recover until 12 to 18 months after the national economy turns around. 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 332 bytes Desc: not available URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Wed May 20 23:22:01 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:22:01 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] Obama opens new front in climate change battle Message-ID: <001e01c9d9d4$159e9ba0$40dbd2e0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:22 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] Obama opens new front in climate change battle (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/obama-opens-new-front-in-cl imate-change-battle-1687788.html Obama opens new front in climate change battle President bids to wean US from gas-guzzling instincts with push for action to lower car emissions The United States served notice yesterday that it finally intends to take firm action to combat the planet's climate crisis, announcing unprecedented plans to regulate vehicle emissions from 2012 with exhaust standards that match those sought for years by California and a handful of other states. Unveiling the new plan, surrounded by car executives from the US, Japan and Europe, President Barack Obama left no one in doubt that he means to make good on his campaign promises to drag his country out of years of lethargy and inaction on climate protection. "The status quo is no longer acceptable," President Obama declared, standing in the White House rose garden. "We have done little to increase the fuel efficiency of America's cars and trucks for decades. This is unprecedented change." Related articles * Michael McCarthy: At last, America seems serious about changing its car culture The measures are the result of weeks of behind-closed-doors negotiation. If successfully enacted, they will reshape a car industry that is already trying to wean itself from its past gas-guzzling instincts and promise to make the American fleet 40 per cent cleaner and more fuel efficient than it is today. Importantly, all sides have given their support to the package and will drop any related lawsuits. Although the standards impose new challenges on the car industry at a time of great economic strain, having certainty about what will be expected from it going forward was enough to buy its support. With so many officials and industry executives around him, Mr Obama was clearly also firing across the bows of Congress, where his signature climate change bill that includes provisions for a controversial cap-and-trade system for industry emissions is likely to face formidable opposition. "This is staggering," said the governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger after hearing Mr Obama speak. "This president after 120 days in office has taken the action and pulled everyone together. We are ecstatic." The proposed programme would cover the period 2012-2016 with the goal of achieving a standard of 35.5 miles per gallon across the fleet. Officials said that this will save 1.8 billion barrels of oil, equivalent to taking 58 million cars off the road in the US for an entire year. It would also instruct the Environmental Protection Agency to regulate car exhaust emissions for the first time. Among those applauding the plan are environmental groups. "Few actions could have a more profound impact in the fight against global warming," commented Bill Becker, leader of the National Association of Clean Air Agencies. "After an initial phase-in, every new vehicle sold in every state in the country will be required to meet California's clean-car greenhouse gas standards." Officials conceded that the tough regulations will add an average of $600 (?387) to the cost of a new car but contended that the savings in fuel purchases would cancel out the extra cost within three years. "The fact is, everyone wins," the President insisted. For years, California fought with the Bush White House for the right to set its own standards for vehicle emissions. The proposals, which were supported by other states including New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts, triggered lawsuits from the car industry in Detroit, and the Bush administration was consistent in opposing California's initiatives. As part of this new deal, the state has agreed in advance to defer to Washington henceforth on emissions standards. Climate change is one of many priorities for the new President and will have to compete with healthcare reform for his attention. He knows that his green agenda may be in particular peril on Capitol Hill because opinion polls continue to show that tackling global warming and energy wastage is one of the lowest priorities for an American public that is far more concerned with a return to economic prosperity. "Ending our dependence on fossil fuels represents perhaps the most difficult challenge we have ever faced," President Obama said. "Ending this dependence will take time, will take incredible effort, will take historic innovation. More than anything else it will take a willingness to look past our differences." The President added that the oil which would be saved by the policy is equivalent to the US's imports for an entire year from Saudi Arabia, Libya, Venezuela and Nigeria combined. From dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 21 08:33:46 2009 From: dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk (robert searle) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:33:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GJM] Toxic Textbooks by Edward Fullbrook Message-ID: <607026.85036.qm@web27401.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Toxic Textbooks Edward Fullbrook This essay was written for The Handbook of Pluralist Economics Education, edited by Jack Reardon. London and New York: Routledge 2009 No discipline has ever experienced systemic failure on the scale that economics has today. Its fall from grace has been two-dimensional. One, economists oversaw, directly and through the prevalence of their ideas, the structuring of the global economy that has now collapsed. Two, except for a few outcasts, economists failed to see, even before the general public saw, the coming of the biggest economic meltdown of all time. Never has a profession betrayed the trust of society so acutely, never has one been in such desperate need of a fundamental remake. As an epistemological event, the 2008 meltdown of the global financial system ranks with the observation of the 1919 solar eclipse. If professional practice in economics resembled, even in the slightest, that in the natural sciences, then in the wake of today?s global disaster economists would be falling over each other to proclaim the falsity of their theories, the inadequacy of their methods and the urgent need for new ones. It is now evident to nearly everyone except economists, and increasingly even to many of us, that our collective failure to see the calamity before it occurred and the fact that the system that collapsed had been tailored to fit mainstream teachings means that we, the textbooks we use, and the courses that we teach harbour fundamental misconceptions about the way economies, most especially their markets, function. And in economics nothing is more important than teaching, because, as Galbraith senior once observed, economics is primarily a teaching profession. This makes economics pedagogy a natural starting point for both an analysis of how economics went so horribly wrong and how it might be made less a facilitator of human disaster in the future. Gregory Mankiw?s Principles of Economics, in its five versions, has internationally been the dominant basic text for more than a decade. Also its author, as chairman of President Bush?s Council of Economic Advisers from 2003 to 2005, was directly involved in the engineering of the disaster. So Mankiw?s textbook seems an ideal place to look for clues as to how both the economics profession and the public which it educates became so ignorant, misinformed and unobservant of how economies work in the real world. Because we are dealing with a systemic failure, in what follows I am concerned not with specific issues covered by the Mankiw?s text. Instead I want to consider its general approach to understanding economic phenomena and, no less important, how the author treats the position of trust that he enjoys vis-?-vis the student. A defining characteristic of traditional or orthodox economics is that it subscribes to a Neo-Platonist theory of truth, i.e., it holds its basic tenets or propositions from which it then deduces everything else, to be self-evident. This quaint epistemological doctrine was notably enunciated for economists by Lionel Robbins in his 1932 An Essay on the Nature and Significance of Economic Science. He wrote: . . . the propositions of Economics are on all fours with the propositions of all other sciences. As we have seen, these propositions are deduction from simple assumptions reflecting very elementary facts of general experience. [p. 104] And: In Economics, as we have seen, the ultimate constituents of our fundamental generalisations are known to us by immediate acquaintance. In the natural sciences they are known only inferentially. There is much less reason to doubt the counterpart in reality of the assumption of individual preferences than that of the assumption of the electron. [p.105] To a real scientist, of course, economics? Neo-Platonism is anathema. For example the eminent physicist JP Bouchaud [2008, 9. 291] recently commented: To me, the crucial difference between physical sciences and economics or financial mathematics is rather the relative role of concepts, equations and empirical data. Classical economics [meaning today?s mainstream] is built on very strong assumptions that quickly become axioms: the rationality of economic agents, the invisible hand and market efficiency, etc. An economist once told me, to my bewilderment: These concepts are so strong that they supersede any empirical observation.? This doctrine, which alone radically separates economics from the scientific tradition, shapes Mankiw?s textbook from cover to cover. As one would expect, it performs heroics at the book?s beginning. With a real science its basic principles, rather than being its beginning, are its highest achievement. But on the second page under the heading HOW PEOPLE MAKE DECISIONS, Mankiw unveils his ?four principles of individual decision making?. At no point does he allude to how his basic principles were discovered. No names, no dates and no processes of discovery are mentioned. Instead he seeks, by appeal to folksy stories to persuade the student to accept them on faith. Only a confirmed Neo-Platonist or a snake oil salesman would think to begin an epistemological exercise that way. A major device which Mankiw and other textbook writers use in persuading the student to accept on faith their principles is to subtly yet forcibly bring emotionality into their presentation. Mainstream or neoclassical economics, especially in the last fifty years, has made a point of raising its flag over snow-white abstract nouns such as ?rationality?, ?choice?, ?freedom?, ?equity? and ?efficiency?, whose meanings change with the wind and are bottom-heavy with emotion and so float like icebergs through public discussion. Textbook writers like Mankiw use these words of the general culture -- and it would be naive to think that they do so accidentally -- to emotionalise their presentations and to bully their mostly teenage readers. For example, consider how Mankiw when presenting his putative four principles of how people make decisions introduces ?efficiency?, ?equity? and ?rationality?. Set off in a wide empty margin and opposite where the text says that society faces a trade-off ?between efficiency and equity? one finds: efficiency the property of society getting the most it can from scarce resources equity the property of distributing economic prosperity fairly among the members of society At best two students in a hundred will notice that these ?definitions? are gems of question begging: ?the most? of what and ?fairly? meaning what? Nothing of substance has been broached. What is happening is that the student is being taught to use these words as placeholders, so that gradually and almost imperceptibly they can be filled with neoclassical meaning as the student progresses through the text, lectures, quizzes and exams of the course. All this will be done without a single mention, let alone discussion, of ethical lenses other than Utilitarianism through which one might view economic reality. The students will not even be told that they are being introduced into an ethical system of thought. That could derail the indoctrination process, because students, even nineteen-year-olds, have assorted views on what is fair and have different conceptions of what it means for a society to get the most out of its resources, and some would not knowingly give up their views without a fight. Mankiw deploys a different tactic, bullying, with his introduction of ?rational?: PRINCIPLE #3: Rational People Think at the Margin [p. 6] Mankiw explains that by thinking at the margin he means ?by comparing marginal costs and marginal benefits?. Why is this bullying? The student, as the author must know, will not read that as meaning ?We are going to define ?rational people? as those people who think at the margin.? The student will read it not as a definition but as a statement of fact. Most likely the student will not even know that rationality is a normative concept. Nor is the student apt to have any general views to offer in opposition. But what students will have, especially the nineteen-year-olds, is a compelling desire to be regarded both by themselves and by others, most especially by their teacher, as ?rational?, whatever the word means. I don?t mind telling anyone that I don?t think at the margin, but the student, and rightly so, will fear the consequences of putting him or herself forward as ?irrational?. Even if ?rationality? is taken in the narrow sense of referring to the adjustment of means to ends, it does not begin to escape its status as a normative concept because different people, depending on the forms of ethics to which they subscribe, will have different notions about what one?s ends are or should be. Unfortunately, among economists the obvious needs to be emphasized: not everyone is a Utilitarian. Not everyone believes that the maximization of individual ?utility?, whatever that might be, is or should be the goal of human and hence economic life. ?Economists have no right to select one ethics as the ?correct one? for purposes of economic analysis.? [S?derbaum, 2004, p. 162] But they do, and in doing so go about as far away from the scientific as it is possible to go. If economics textbook authors placed education ahead of indoctrination, the epistemological role of their theory ahead of its ideological one, how might they proceed? Hugh Stretton?s Economics: A New Introduction [1999] shows how it can be done. For example, look at how he introduces ?efficiency?. If you measure efficiency by more than one criterion, you have to decide how much weight to give to each of the criteria. The facts can?t do that for you. It takes a value judgment, and that value judgment will be built into your measure of efficiency. Earlier, you read this: ?Common sense says it is efficient to get a given output from the least input.? But what does ?least input? mean? Does it mean least raw materials? Least work? Least expenditure? You have to decide. [p. 48] A little further on, after addressing non-dogmatically the vexed questions ?Efficient at what?? and ?Efficient for whom??, Stretton tells the student: Most tests of efficiency require some value judgments. They can be made into objective tests by precise specifications: output of what per input of what. But that merely shifts the conflicts of interest and the necessary value judgments from the conduct of the test to the choice and design of the test. This principle applies to judgments of many other things besides efficiency. [p.49] These passages characterize the approach throughout Stretton?s book and which could and should be the approach of every economics textbook: no attempt to mislead, intimidate or bamboozle the student, no dishonesty by omitting known crucial facts, no misusing the educator?s position of trust as an opportunity to indoctrinate, no reluctance to encourage the student to observe from more than one perspective economic issues pivotal to democracies, in short, no inhibitions about trying to educate in the deepest possible sense. Mankiw continues to present his ?TEN PRINCIPLES OF ECONOMICS? in the style of a sales pitch. In the space of a page and a half he invokes ?the invisible hand? eleven times and speaks of its ?magic?, [p. 9-10] Then having presumably sold without offering evidence his ?Ten Principles? to the student, Mankiw proceeds to paint ?THE ECONOMIST AS SCIENTIST?. He is quite right in assuming that the student will not notice his previous chapter?s display of Neo-Platonism nor know that it is anti-science. Mankiw sets about building in the student?s mind an association between economists like himself and real scientists. For this he is only willing to associate himself with the most prestigious of scientists: physicists, biologists, and astronomers. He hopes to acquire some of their persona by in the space of a few pages repeating over and over a few key words: ?physics? four times, ?physicist(s)? seven, ?biology? five and ?biologist? twice?. He especially favours combinations like ?physics, biology, and economics?. But even this is not elite enough for Mankiw?s tastes. In the first three paragraphs of this section he mentions Newton and Einstein each four times. Of course this affectation has a long history in the discipline. It goes back much further than Robbins, and all the way to Walras and Jevons. But perhaps its most humorous example is due to the inventor of the textbook prototype of which Mankiw is now grandmaster. The science historian Yves Gingras [2002] relates the notorious incident at the award ceremonies for the 1970 Bank of Sweden Prize as follows: Paul Samuelson (1970 winner) wrote about his ?Nobel coronation? ? not his ?Bank of Sweden Coronation? ? and filled his talk with references to Einstein (4 times) Bohr (2 times) and eight other winners of the (real) physics Nobel prize (not to mention, of course, Newton) plus a few other names as if he were part of this family. For the last fifty years economics as a profession has shown exceptional talent for self-promotion. Spurred on by self-delusion, it has persuaded the media to call its Bank of Sweden Prize a ?Nobel Prize? and in the main has escaped ridicule even when, like Samuelson and Mankiw, it has represented its pursuits and achievements as resembling those of Newton and Einstein. This self-exaltation has in the main enabled its anti-scientific methodology to escape outside notice, with the result that the broader intellectual community has accepted economics? self-assessment. But this was not always the case. Four years after Robbins published his essay lauding the methods of economics, the American pragmatist philosopher John Dewey favourably reviewed a book by a zoologist and medical statistician condemning the same. Dewey, after referring to ?the conceptions and methods? of economics as ?obscurantist and fatally reactionary? quotes from Lancelot Hogben?s The Retreat from Reason. [Dewey, 1936] It pertains as much to our time, especially to Economics 101 and Presidential Advisors, as it did back then. We can only conclude that economics, as studied in our universities, is the astrology of the Machine Age; it provides the same kind of intellectual relief as chess, in which success depends entirely on knowing the initial definition of moves and proeesses of checking, casting, etc. . . . In science the final arbiter is not the self-evidence of the initial statement, nor the facade of flawless logic that conceals it. A scientific law embodies a recipe for doing something, and its final validation rests in the domain of action. And the message today from the physicist Bouchaud is much the same. Most of all, there is a crucial need to change the mindset of those working in economics and financial engineering. They need to move away from what Richard Feynman called Cargo Cult Science: a science that follows all the apparent precepts and forms of scientific investigation, while still missing something essential. An overly formal and dogmatic education in the economic sciences and financial mathematics are part of the problem. Economic curriculums need to include more natural science. The prerequisites for more stability in the long run are the development of a more pragmatic and realistic representation of what is going on in financial markets, and to focus on data, which should always supersede perfect equations and aesthetic axioms. [Bouchaud, 2008, p. 292] For economics the final arbiter, economic history, has spoken and this time with deafening loudness. Economists in the main may or may not hear, but most of the rest of the educated world has already. Although there is now talk of ?intellectual crime?, it would be wrong to punish the guilty. But I plead that everyone, students included, do what they can to reform the teaching of economics, especially at its introductory level. If universities continued to use for nuclear engineering a textbook by an engineer who had headed a team managing a nuclear power plant that without external causes exploded causing huge devastation, there would be an enormous public outcry, including student demonstrations. There should be a similar outcry if Mankiw-type textbooks continue to be foisted on the world?s million or so young people who every year in good faith take up the study of economics. Because of human error propagated by a virulent ideology skilfully camouflaged as science, millions of American families are losing their homes, a 100 million people in the world stand to lose their jobs and a generation has been deprived of the hope it deserves. We cannot undo that, but we can greatly reduce the chances of it happening again if with all possible speed we bring into use pluralist textbooks that look at real-world economic problems from different points of view, that do not make false claims about economic knowledge, and most importantly, that seek not to indoctrinate but to educate. To these ends I offer the following list. Eleven ways to think like a post-crash economist 1. Don?t try to pass yourself off as a kissing cousin of natural scientists. 2. Don?t speak, except to very small children, of invisible hands and magic. 3. When possible avoid the use of emotive words. 4. Remind yourself every morning that your duty as a teacher is to educate your students, not indoctrinate them. 5. Try to look at economic phenomena from different points of view and teach your students to do the same. 6. Encourage diversity of conceptual frameworks in economic research. 7. Don?t be condescending to your students. 8. Keep your eye on real-world economies rather than imaginary ones. 9. Don?t try to hide the troubled but fascinating history and contemporary diversity of economics from your students and the general public. 10. Avoid cranks and try to avoid becoming one yourself. 11. Never try to pass off ideology as objective truth. References JP Bouchaud [2008], ?Economics needs a scientific revolution?, real-world economics review, issue 48, December, p. 291. John Dewey [1936], ?Rationality in Education?, The Social Frontier, December, Vol. lII, No. 21, pp. 71-73. Yves Gingras [2007], ?Beautiful Mind, Ugly Deception: The Bank of Sweden Prize in Economics Science?, Real World Economics, edited by Edward Fullbrook. London: Anthem. Gregory Mankiw [2007], Principles of Economics, 4th edition, Thomson. Lionel Robbins [1932], An Essay on the Nature and Significance of Economic Science. London: Macmillan. S?derbaum, Peter (2004) ?Economics as Ideology and the Need for Pluralism?, A Guide to What?s Wrong with Economics, edited by Edward Fullbrook. London: Anthem, pp. 158-168. Hugh Stretton [1999], Economics: A New Introduction, London, Pluto. From dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 21 08:48:04 2009 From: dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk (robert searle) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:48:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GJM] Putting the Record Straight! Message-ID: <372196.77949.qm@web27404.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Janos made this ill-informed remark on a public discussion group very recently, and hence, I have also put it here, and my response. I just like to put the record straight. Janos made the following criticism on the Toxic Textbook Facebook website. Sorry to have to disagree with my friend here. TF (ie.TFE, or Transfinancial Economics) is not new and it would be better served if it acknowledged the monetary reform ideas it had borrowed. Post 3Robert wroteat 06:24 on 20 May 2009 Incorrect. I do acknowledge monetary reform ideas. There is > one mention of Social Credit in the p2pfoundation entry > article. And yes the idea of a tax, and interest free > world is not new (eg LETS). However, no paradigm is > developed in total isolation, and there are usually some > other similiar competing ideas. For example, the Theory of > Relativity was not something completely new, and drew upon > existing concepts but modified them in a more unique > fashion. Anyway,what is new with TFE? The following key points should be made > > i) Recognition of money existing as electronic data > which can thus be directly controlled in such a way as to > allow for an interest free, and tax free world to exist.This > is revolutionary. > > ii) Private banks can still exist if desired. This runs > counter to mainstream interest free monetary reform which > believes that they should essentially be either > nationalised, or semi-private with only the money supply > itself being public owned so to speak. > > However, the process of transition would be alot easier if > present reformers were not anti-private banks. A grassroots > movement is unlikely to work as far as I can see at > present. This is explained in the p2pfoundation entry on TFE. > > iii) In TFE there is a full moral basis why Non-Taxation > should exist. This is again briefly explained in the > p2pfoundation entry. > > iv) Most "monetary reform" ideas are usually too idealistic > (eg. resource based economy of the Venus Project), or tend > to be community based, and hence limited unfortunately. TFE is concerned with big issues which require big ideas. Moreover, it is attractive to both the rich, and more importantly the poor when correctly > understood. Infact, it represents a win win situation for all concerned > including global justice. > R.Searle. A FURTHER NOTE WHICH DID NOT APPEAR ON THE TOXIC TEXTBOOK SITE. Also I should mention that other "montary reforms" are mentioned in the kheper essay. But you cannot beat TFE if one is serious about the subject! But Janos is still an avid "disciple" of Land Value Tax which is old hat, and superflous in the 21st century though ofcourse you will always find somebody trying to defend it!! RS. > > > > > Facebook ? 2009English (UK)Log inAboutAdvertisingDevelopersCareersTermsFind FriendsPrivacyMobileHelp From dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 21 09:01:36 2009 From: dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk (robert searle) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:01:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [GJM] Americas Climate-Change Bill is weaker and worse than expected. Message-ID: <934671.73233.qm@web27405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> May 21st 2009 | WASHINGTON, DC >From The Economist print edition America's climate-change bill is weaker and worse than expected Illustration by KAL AL GORE calls it ?one of the most important pieces of legislation ever introduced in Congress?. Joe Barton, a Republican congressman and global-warming sceptic, says it will put the American economy in a straitjacket. For something that practically no one has read, the American Clean Energy and Security Act provokes heated debate. It would establish a cap-and-trade system for curbing carbon-dioxide emissions, thus transforming the way Americans use energy. President Barack Obama has long argued that America should join Europe in regulating planet-cooking carbon. But he has left the details to Congress. And the negotiations to craft a bill that might actually pass have not been pretty. The most straightforward and efficient approach to reducing carbon emissions?a carbon tax?was never seriously considered. Voters do not like to hear the word ?tax? unless it is followed by the word ?cut?. So Mr Obama proposed something very similar to a carbon tax, albeit slightly more cumbersome. Industries that emit carbon dioxide would have to buy permits to do so. A fixed number of permits would be auctioned each year. The permits would be tradable, so firms that found ways to emit less than they were entitled to could sell some of their permits to others. The system would motivate everyone to reduce emissions in the most cost-effective way. It would raise energy prices, which is the point, but it would also raise hundreds of billions of dollars, most of which Mr Obama planned to give back to voters. Alas, that plan looks doomed. On May 15th Henry Waxman and Edward Markey, the Democratic point-men on climate change in the House of Representatives, unveiled a bill that would give away 85% of carbon permits for nothing, with only 15% being auctioned. The bill?s supporters say this colossal compromise was necessary to win the support of firms that generate dirty energy or use a lot of it, and to satisfy congressmen from states that mine coal or roll steel. Giving away permits creates several problems. First, it generates no money, thereby royally messing up Mr Obama?s budget. Second, it means that the permits go not to those who value them most (as in an auction) but to those whom the government favours. Under Waxman-Markey, electricity-distributors would get the largest share, with the rest divided between energy-intensive manufacturers, carmakers, natural-gas distributors, states with renewable-energy programmes and so on. Oil firms, with only 2% of the permits, feel hard done by. But most polluters, having just been promised hundreds of billions of dollars? worth of permits for nothing, are elated. So it is not just the owners of ski resorts and businesses with negligible carbon footprints that are queuing up to praise the bill. Duke Energy, a power generator with lots of coal-fired plants, is also enthusiastic. The grand handout to shareholders is meant to last until around 2030, by which time all permits will be auctioned. In the meantime, the bill?s supporters say that consumers will be protected from higher energy prices because the largest chunk of the free permits will go to tightly regulated electricity distributors. Regulators can simply order these firms to keep prices low. Problem solved. Not so, says Alan Viard, an analyst at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think-tank. If electricity is cheap, Americans will buy more of it, generating more emissions than would otherwise have been the case. Other industries will accordingly have to cut their emissions more, since there are a fixed number of permits. The cost of this will be passed on to consumers. Overall, ordinary Americans will endure price hikes just as severe as they would have under Mr Obama?s plan, while receiving far less compensation. Mr Viard likens giving permits to polluters to handing the proceeds of a tobacco tax to the shareholders of Philip Morris. Another problem with Waxman-Markey is its complexity. At 932 pages, it is half as long again as an already-bloated previous draught. It includes a dizzying array of handouts, mandates and technical standards for everything from hot-food-holding cabinets to portable spas. It allows for a huge increase in ?offsets??where a polluter pays someone else to stop polluting instead of curbing his own emissions. These are open to abuse, as Europe?s experience shows. There is little to stop foreign factories from starting to pollute just so that someone will pay them to stop. Among environmentalists, support for the bill varies. Some denounce it for doing less to curb greenhouse gases than was once promised. It aims to cut emissions by 17% below the level in 2005 by 2020, instead of 20%. Greenpeace?s American arm says it cannot support the bill in its current state. Other greens reckon that if this is the strongest bill that can pass, the best idea is to pass it now and tighten it later. That is the most likely outcome, though far from certain. Mr Waxman wants his bill to pass through the House energy committee this week. Republicans such as Mr Barton could slow it down by offering hundreds of amendments or forcing it to be read aloud. (Mr Waxman has hired a speed-reader, just in case.) But they probably do not have enough votes to stop it, either in committee or when it eventually comes before the full House. The next step will be the Senate, where the minority has more power. It is hard to predict what will happen there. Republicans plan to berate the bill as both a job-destroyer and a handout to big business. Some will also argue that it will make little difference to the climate if China and India do not also curb their emissions. The bill?s supporters retort that both countries will come on board only if America sets a good example. Time is running out before the big global climate conference in Copenhagen in December. If the United States does not have a cap-and-trade law in place by then, the chance of a global agreement will plummet. The bill may be imperfect, says Steve Tripoli of Ceres, a green business group, but having no bill at all would be unthinkable. Meanwhile, Mr Obama continues to attack climate change from other angles. On May 19th he announced that he would impose tougher fuel-efficiency standards. Carmakers will have to produce vehicles that go eight miles farther on a gallon of petrol by 2016. Cars must eke out 39 miles (63km) per gallon, on average; light trucks must manage 30 miles. Carmakers, some of whom would be bankrupt if Mr Obama was not pumping them full of taxpayers? money, meekly applauded. In the past an agreement such as this would have been thought impossible, the president crowed. Mr Obama admitted that more fuel-efficient cars might cost more. But he promised that motorists would save thousands of dollars by cutting their fuel bills. In fact, they can already cut their fuel bills by buying smaller cars, but most choose not to. Mr Obama could discourage petrol use more directly and efficiently by taxing the stuff, but that would be unpopular. Ideally, politicians who want to save the planet would be honest with voters about how much this will cost. But America?s leaders do not seem to think Americans are ready for straight talk about energy. 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URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Thu May 21 15:28:50 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:28:50 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: JFK vs WORLD ZIONISM Message-ID: <00ba01c9da5b$250dcbb0$6f296310$@net> IMHO, in order to understand what is going on today, one has to go all the way back to the beginning when the Nephilim, as recorded in the Bible and the Sumerian Tablets, came here to Earth and created what we know today as "homo sapiens," that is, ourselves. These records must be taken into consideration. They are every bit as important as the Dead Sea Scrolls, and perhaps even more so. But, from what I have learned via my numerous years of research, Bob gives a fairly accurate view of more recent events which have emerged out of events recorded in the Old Testament, but perhaps not well understood. We need to understand the whole story. We need to know about the time of the Goddess when She was revered and worshipped for her fertility as was the Earth. We need to understand the history revealed by the search of 30,000 archaeological sites in the Fertile Crescent Region by archaeologist Marija Gimbutas, and what the meaning is behind the history told there. Much of this history is told in Riane Eisler's book: "The Chalice and the Blade". We need to know and understand what happened that the Goddess was dethroned and why God-worship took its place. Much of this is told in "When God Was a Woman" by Merlin Stone. We need to understand why we, as women, have been under the rule of the male "dominator paradigm" for thousands of years. And why so much of our history has been suppressed. We need to demand that The Vatican open its secret chambers and reveal what the documents hidden there have to say. We have a right to know the truth as to who we really are and from whence we came. From: Bob Taft [mailto:rbtaft at rtconnect.net] Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:24 AM To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Subject: Fw: JFK vs WORLD ZIONISM The thing I cannot accept here is the notion that voting has anything to do with our liberation from the Zionist yoke. Voting is the action of surrendering one's sovereignty to those for whom one votes. The current society is doomed, no matter what. Our only salvation is the chance to return to the ancient governmental system of Exodus 18:21 which long predates the creation of world Jewry (who adopted the Talmud in 740 CE), as well as world Zionism. Voting for a Congressperson today guarantees you'll get either a Zionist jew, one chance out of three, or a shabas goy, two chances out of three. USGov is entirely Zionist dominated since the Rockefeller/Eisenhower capture of the R party. The D party succumbed two decades earlier. JFK bucked the money power, his brother Bobby bucked organized crime, an organized branch of the same money power. As I've long said, just because the billionaires allow you to become a millionaire, you don't want to let it go to your head. (Today I guess it is trillionaires and billionaires). Best regards,. Bob Taft The Taft Ranch Upton, Wyoming (307) 465-2206 http://www.freedomclubusa.com/the_tun http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=74897 "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." Aesop ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Richard Niemela To: Richard Niemela Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:13 PM Subject: Fw: JFK vs WORLD ZIONISM e ----- Original Message ----- From: jlkucek at juno.com To: jlkucek at juno.com Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 1:26 AM Subject: JFK vs WORLD ZIONISM e Rense.com _____ JFK Versus World Zionism By Donald J Cassidy 5-27-4 On Memorial Day, let US remember John F. Kennedy, the last "American" president. Like Rachel Corrie he was martyred by World Zionism. "WE SHALL WIPE OUT ALL THOSE WHO HINDER US" (Protocol #3). In his few years, he seemed to recognize and do battle against this evil political system described in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. In 1961 Benjamin Freedman, a loyal American, warned that even then "Zionists ruled the United States like monarchs". (Note, Mr. Freedman said "Zionists" not "Jews".) He was personally acquainted with John F. Kennedy who appeared to be the first of a political family dynasty. JFK's policies could change history. JFK instituted measures that would cripple World Zionism and its global cycle of war, financial crises, militarism, inflation, depressions, and usurious debt, all outlined in the Protocols. Zionist apologists dispute the authenticity of this Devil's Black Bible but that is irrelevant. What is relevant is that World Zionism has been following them word for word for more than a century in its secret scheming for world rule. According to the Protocols, "THE GOYIM ARE A FLOCK OF SHEEP AND WE ARE THEIR WOLVES (#11). IT IS INDISPENSABLE TO UTTERLY EXHAUST HUMANITY WITH DISSENTION, HATRED, STRUGGLE, ENVY, TORTURE, STARVATION, INNOCULATIONS AGAINST DISEASES, WANT" (#10). Like a cancer on humanity, World Zionism has been undetected for many years and now emerges when it is in its deadly final stages. "OUR POWER WILL REMAIN INVISIBLE UNTIL IT HAS GAINED SUCH STRENGTH NO CUNNING CAN UNDERMINE IT (#1). WHO WILL SUSPECT THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE WERE STAGE MANAGED BY US ACCORDING TO POLITICAL PLANS WHICH NO ONE HAS SO MUCH AS GUESSED AT FOR ALL THESE YEARS (#13). WE ARE INVINCIBLE" (#3). First, JFK ordered the Vietnam War stopped and the troops brought home. Vietnam was the latest Oil War. Who owns World Oil? The Rothschilds. They "own" Yukos Oil in Russia and "own" the Rockefellers in America. Do they also "own" the Saudis? "WE MUST RESPOND TO EVERY ACT BY WAR ON THAT COUNTRY THAT DARES TO OPPOSE US. CHECKING THE OPPOSITION OF THE GOYIM BY UNIVERSAL WAR (#7). THE ASSISTANCE WE GIVE [money] WILL PUT BOTH SIDES AT OUR MERCY" (#2). War fills the graveyards of humanity but war debt fills the cash accounts of World Zionism. Second, JFK was going to wind down the Arms Race and seek world peace. The trillions spent for "Defense" was never for the defense of America but for an arsenal to enable World Zionism to impose its Capitalism on the rest of the world. "WE SHALL SET UP A SUPER GOVERNMENT THAT SHALL SUBDUE ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD (#5). INTENSIFICATION OF ARMAMENTS ARE ESSENTIAL FOR OUR PLANS. WE SHALL SHOW OUR STRENGTH TO ALL WITH THE GUNS OF AMERICA" (#7). In addition, the vast debt of the Arms Race paid billions in interest every year to World Zionism. This debt has bankrupt America. "LOANS BURDENED THE STATE WITH THE PAYMENT OF INTEREST. ALL THE WEALTH OF THE STATE FLOWED INTO OUR CASHBOXES. TO THIS WE OWE OUR MASTERY OVER THE GOYIM" (#20). Third, JFK ordered the Treasury to print US currency instead of the Rothschild Federal Reserve Notes supported by the Rothschild illegal income tax. The US bonds, held by the Fed for our Fed currency, pay many billions in interest annually to World Zionism. With a "stroke of the pen" JFK would cost them trillions as well as their domination of global money and finances through debt and speculation. "LOANS HANG LIKE A SWORD OF DAMOCLES OVER THE HEADS OF RULERS. COUNTRIES ARE DEBTORS TO OUR TREASURIES TO AMOUNTS QUITE IMPOSSIBLE TO PAY. STATES ARE DRAINED AND THE GOYIM PAY US THE TRIBUTE OF SUBJECTS" (#20). Fourth, JFK intruded on the wage price spiral in the steel industry in favor of labor. The corporate stock of US Steel plummeted, a bad omen for Capitalism. "THE DESPOTISM OF CAPITAL IS ENTIRELY IN OUR HANDS (#1). HUNGER CREATES THE RIGHT OF CAPITAL TO RULE THE WORKER MONEYGRINDING SCOUND-RELS HAVE LAID A PITILESS AND CRUEL YOKE UPON THE NECKS OF THE WORKERS (#3). CONCENTRATION OF INDUSTRY IN THE HANDS OF CAPITALISTS HAS DRAINED AWAY ALL THE JUICES OF THE PEOPLE (#20). CAPITAL MUST BE FREE TO ESTABLISH A MONOPOLY OF INDUSTRY AND TRADE; THIS WILL HELP OPPRESS THE PEOPLE (#5). WE SHALL RAISE WAGES WHICH SHALL NOT BRING ADVANTAGE TO THE WORKERS FOR WE SHALL RAISE PRICES FOR THE NECESSARIES OF LIFE" (#6). Fifth, JFK would not give nuclear weapons to Israel. Jews invented these inhuman weapons in America and Israel could not have them for its global terrorism. This was unacceptable! Ben Gurion resigned. "IT IS INDISPENSABLE FOR US TO ARM OURSELVES (#10). WE MUST ARM OURSELVES WITH ALL THE WEAPONS OUR OPPONENTS MIGHT EMPLOY AGAINST US" (#8). Sixth, JFK was going to dismantle the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA with Mossad are essential for World Zionism's global terrorism. "OUR INTERNATIONAL AGENTUR POSSESSES MILLIONS OF EYES EVER ON THE WATCH AND UNHAMPERED BY ANY LIMITATIONS WHATSOEVER (#2). THE FRENCH REVOLUTION WAS WHOLLY THE WORK OF OUR HANDS" (#3). Dreyfus, too. Seventh, JFK stood in the way of a Zionist puppet in the White House, Lyndon Johnson, who gave up a most powerful position for an office described as "not worth a bucket of pee pee" and as the "gofer" of a man he detested. This decision only made sense three years later. "WE HAVE REPLACED THE RULER BY A CARICATURE, A PRESIDENT. WE SHALL ARRANGE ELECTIONS OF SUCH PRESIDENTS WHO HAVE AN UNDISCOVERED STAIN IN THEIR PAST, THEY WILL BE AGENTS FOR OUR PLANS" (#10). After JFK, the White House surrendered America to World Zionism. Johnson cancelled all of JFK's anti-Zionist measures, the Arms Race resumed, the Vietnam War was escalated, war debt and interest skyrocketed, nuclear weaponry given to Israel, Henry Jackson in the Senate made Zionist policy Washington policy, the crew of the USS Liberty was murdered by Israel without a murmur, Treasury currency was withdrawn and interest payments to World Zionism increased, and the "flyspeck in the desert" soared from protectorate to partner to patriarch of Washington. A few years later, Zionism cost the American people their standard of living by the oil embargo for Washington's subservience to World Zionism. On Memorial Day, let US remember that Washington's War Memorial for millions of veterans was an afterthought to a Museum for a Zionist Myth. The veterans were really "serving" World Zionism. Recent books have linked such diverse parties as Lyndon Johnson, George Bush and Nelson Rockefeller as well as Mossad, CIA and Mafia in the murder of JFK. The common denominator is World Zionism. There are connections. Who else could join them in a single enterprise? The Warren Commission was suggested by a Zionist, conducted by a Zionist, and its finding validated and promulgated by Zionists and the Zionist press. It was a Zionist hoax like September 11. "THE GOY LOOK UPON THE EVENTS OF THE WORLD THROUGH THE COLORED GLASSES WE ARE SETTING ASTRIDE THEIR NOSES (#12). WE ARRANGED FOR DARWINISM, MARXISM AND NIETZSCHEISM" (#2). We must distinguish between Zionism and Judaism. The accusation of anti-Semitism is political terrorism originating in the Protocols. "ANTI-SEMITISM IS INDISPENSIBLE TO US (#9). UNTIL THERE SHALL NO LONGER BE ANY RISK IN ENTRUSTING OUR BROTHER JEWS WE SHALL PUT RESPONSIBLE POSITIONS IN PERSONS WHO FACE CRIMINAL CHARGES" (#8). America's Congress is fervently Zionist yet most of them profess other religions. No, Zionism is politics; its "religion" is Greed. "IT IS INDISPENSABLE TO UNDERMINE ALL FAITH, TO TEAR OUT THE SPIRIT OF GODHEAD AND PUT IN ITS PLACE MATERIAL NEEDS" (#4). Zionism conceals itself in the "shade" of Judaism in order to remain "invisible". "OUR PLAN OF ACTION REMAINS FOR ALL PEOPLE AN UNKNOWN MYSTERY" (#4). It operates through governments like England, Israel and Washington and global corporations, financial and banking conglomerates, international financiers, and secretly interlinked organizations, institutions, "philanthropies", foundations, fronts, and factions with enormous amounts of money at their disposal. But "ALL OF THE ENDS OF THE SPRINGS WHICH MOVE THEM" (#9) lay in the hands of an invisible Rothschild Family. "THE GOYIM WILL ACCEPT US AS THE BENEFACTORS OF THE HUMAN RACE (#7). THERE IS NO EVADING OUR POWER" (#5). Zionism, by its monopolies, frauds, gouging, usury, speculation, bankruptcies and tax evasion, is amassing the wealth of the whole world "WE WANT TO TRANSFER INTO OUR HANDS ALL THE MONEY OF THE WORLD (#6). OUR WEAPONS ARE LIMITLESS AMBITIONS, BURNING GREEDINESS, MERCILESS VENGEANCE, HATRED AND MALICE" (#9). We have a quisling government in America. Washington is the slave of World Zionism just as predicted in the Protocols. "ABUSES OF POWER WILL BE THE FINAL TOUCH IN PREPARING ALL INSTITUTIONS FOR OVERTHROW" (#3) and "SCATTER TO THE WINDS ALL EXISTING FORCES OF ORDER AND REGULATION" (#1). The American people have been conditioned for decades to submissiveness, like Pavlov's dogs, by the Zionist media and its subliminal messages. "PEOPLE LIVE AND ARE GUIDED BY IDEAS; WE SHALL CONFISCATE TO OUR USE THE LAST SCINTILLA OF INDEPENDENT THOUGHT. THE PURPOSE IS TO TURN THE GOYIM INTO UNTHINKING SUBMISSIVE BRUTES" (#16). The New York metropolitan area (25 millions) is overwhelmed by the Zionist media and its continuous lies and propaganda about war and terrorism. What about Chicago, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Dallas? "THROUGH THE PRESS WE HAVE GAINED THE POWER TO INFLUENCE WHILE REMAINING OURSELVES IN THE SHADE (#2). NOT A SINGLE ANNOUNCEMENT WILL REACH THE PUBLIC WITHOUT OUR CONTROL" (#12). Turn off all television news programs. It is poison. Let US drop the Zionist media in the toilet and flush these traitors out of America. Another "inside job" like September 11 "THE MOMENT OF ATTACK WILL BE KNOWN TO US AND WE WILL PROTECT OUR OWN" (#3). and America will be "locked down" in permanent martial law, the Patriot Acts, mass detentions in FEMA concentration camps and the end of all liberty in America. We will have lost for our children everything that our ancestors sacrificed for US. "THE END OF NATIONAL LIBERTY IS NEAR" (#19). The Zionist media has marginalized all presidential candidates but two Zionist puppets. With "fixed" voting machines World Zionism cannot lose. This year, all Americans should vote, destroy the Republican Party together with all Zionists (most Jewish candidates are suspect). For Congress, vote for the other minorities who are under-represented, Women and African, Asian and Latino Americans. Voting machines must be auditable with reliable exit polls. Most important, redistribute the concentrated wealth with an annual tax of fifty percent of all personal wealth, income and property in excess of $5 Millions "WE HAVE CONCENTRATED WEALTH IN PRIVATE HANDS" (#20) and eliminate all wage taxes. Under World Zionism, Zionists will go to the head of all lines in government, industry, education, employment, finance, entitlements; their certifications will have the force of law. The whole world will become like Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan. "WE SHALL ERASE THE WORD "FREEDOM" FROM THE LEXICON OF LIFE" (#3). The stolen treasures of a zionazi war, the Ancient Tombs of Ur, are on exhibit in Philadelphia. Waco will be the norm. "OUR ABSOLUTISM WILL DESTROY TO THE ROOT ALL DISCONTENTS OF EVERY KIND BY PUNISHMENT OF AN EXEMPLARY CHARACTER. HE WHO WISHES TO KEEP HIS PLACE WILL HAVE TO GIVE BLIND OBEDIENCE (#15). WE ARE INTERESTED IN THE KILLING OUT OF THE GOYIM" (#3). Without World Zionism there could be universal peace not war, no bankrupting militarism, full employment without wage taxation, no hunger, no poverty, no inflation, no depressions or financial crises, no public debt and little private debt, and the burden of taxation on excess income and wealth. "WE HAVE EUTOPIAN DREAMERS" (#9). The world must come together to combat a common enemy. "THE NATIONS WILL NOT TAKE NOTE OF THEIR COMMON FOE (#4). WE HAVE SET ONE AGAINST ANOTHER, THE PERSONAL AND THE NATIONAL, RELIGIOUS AND RACE HATREDS WHICH WE HAVE FOSTERED INTO A HUGE GROWTH (#5). WE MUST CREATE FERMENTS, HOSTILITY AND DISCORD ON ALL CONTINENTS" (#7). Or else, "BOW THE KNEE BEFORE HIM WHO BEARS ON HIS FRONT THE SEAL OF THE PREDESTINATION OF MAN" (#23). The anti-Christ. And God help us! Universal Images of Evil: Years ago, a little girl crying in the devastated rubble of Shanghai; today, a small boy shot through the neck in the rubble of Fallujah, his little schoolbag on his back. Remember RACHEL CORRIE Disclaimer Email This Article MainPage http://www.rense.com This Site Served by TheHostPros ____________________________________________________________ Always a good call. Click now to establish your local phone service! _____ No virus found in this incoming message. 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Do you remember the Pentagon's Strategic Defense Initiative to build a massive missile defense system that raised so much controversy during the Reagan and first Bush years? 130 billion of our tax dollars were poured into developing that system. It was designed to detect and intercept missiles fired from an unknown destination traveling at well over 10 times the speed of a commercial airliner, and to shoot them down in 15 minutes or less, before they reached their US targets. According the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) website, "a defensive system may need to hit a warhead smaller than an oil drum that is traveling above the atmosphere at speeds greater than 13,000 miles per hour." The CBO report states that missile defense and intercept systems must take down an ICBM in a matter of minutes or it is all over. You may remember that before 9/11, there were a number of tests of the Pentagon's missile defense systems. Some tests failed, while others succeeded. But there is an important question here. If these sophisticated military systems were designed to detect missiles fired from unknown locations at over 13,000 mph and shoot them down in mere minutes, why on 9/11 could they not detect any one of the four large airliners traveling at a mere 600 mph, especially when two of them were known to be lost for over 40 minutes before they crashed? This question applies especially to Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon. The first plane hijacking on 9/11 was reported at about 8:20 AM (see NY Times article), well over an hour before Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at 9:38. According to the Times article, Flight 77 was reported lost at 8:56 A.M., 42 minutes before it crashed. Even if the FAA radar systems completely failed and FAA officials failed to alert the military, all military leaders certainly knew within minutes that the World Trade Center had been hit at 8:46. By 9:03, when the second tower was hit, they certainly knew there were big problems. How is it possible that the Pentagon's highly touted missile detections systems could not locate Flight 77 in the 42 minutes it was known to be lost before it crashed into the heart of the defense system of the U.S.? The missile detection systems did not depend on FAA radar and were programmed to pick up any unaccounted for objects and raise alarms immediately, as mentioned on the CBO website. Here's another related question. Why was the Pentagon's billion-dollar missile defense system such a hot topic in the media before 9/11, yet we've heard almost nothing about it since? Could it be that there are elements in the government and military who don't want people to think about questions like those asked here? And an even bigger question is why isn't our media asking these questions and more? Why is it that the 9/11 Commission budget was far less than the budget allotted to the Challenger space shuttle disaster or even the Monica Lewinsky affair? The 9/11 commission was originally allotted only $3 million. Eventually, after much begging and haggling, the commission was given $15 million. Yet a CNN article lists the cost of the Lewinsky investigation at $30 million. A Los Angeles Times article states the cost of the Columbia space shuttle disaster investigation was $175 million. How could 9/11 ? the greatest disaster in American history ? be given such a small budget for investigation? Why didn't the Pentagon aggressively investigate the greatest failure ever in U.S. defenses? And why did both the president (see CNN article ) and vice-president (see Newsweek article) initially oppose any investigation at all? Why aren't we, the public, asking these questions and demanding answers? It's not too late. Let us take action now and seek answers to these vital questions. 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URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Fri May 22 13:28:24 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:28:24 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] A Recipe For Longevity: 33 Of The Healthiest Foods On Earth Message-ID: <000001c9db13$82b21420$88163c60$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:53 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] A Recipe For Longevity: 33 Of The Healthiest Foods On Earth A Recipe For Longevity: 33 Of The Healthiest Foods On Earth David H. Murdock, Chairman and owner of Dole Food Company, Inc., the world's largest producer and marketer of fresh fruit, fresh vegetables, packaged and frozen foods. May 20, 2009 09:01 AM http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-h-murdock/a-recipe-for-longevity_b_20535 5.html Is it possible to live to 125 or maybe 150? It's certainly a possibility, as discussed on Oprah Winfrey's recent show on longevity. She visited me at my farm to learn how, at 86, I am enjoying the robust health, energy, and mental creativity of someone many decades younger. My secret: large quantities of fruit and vegetables, plus an hour of daily exercise. No pills, not even aspirin, and certainly no supplements ever enter my mouth -- everything I need comes from my fish-vegetarian diet, which incorporates 30-40 different kinds of fruit and vegetables every week. Even though I am Chairman and Owner of Dole Food Company, I do most of my own grocery shopping, and even took Oprah on an impromptu trip to Costco, in a day that included bike riding, exercise in the gym, and juicing vegetables in the kitchen. Oprah marveled at how much I eat, and yet never gain a pound. In fact, I expend a lot of energy in my 50-60 minutes of cardio and strength training every day. Plus there's the fact that fruit and vegetables tend to be lower in calories, but higher in filling fiber and other nutrients that help you feel satisfied. By eating many fruits and vegetables in place of fast food and junk food, people could avoid obesity. Obesity accelerates aging even faster than smoking, according to scientific research. We created the North Carolina Research Campus to study the health benefits of fruits and vegetables. It is the only campus in the world encompassing eight universities all working together for the benefit of health and longevity. These include Duke University, UNC Chapel Hill, NC State University, UNC Charlotte, North Carolina Central University, NC A&T State University, UNC Greensboro and Appalachian State University. We've gathered a comprehensive array of famous scientists and scientific equipment under one roof, including a two-story, 950 megahertz, 8-ton superconducting magnet. It is the largest and most powerful magnet in the world and will help us look at both plant and human cells at the most minute level. We are constantly doing research on all fruit and vegetables, including the ones listed below, which are the mainstay of my diet. The Healthiest Foods on Earth Pineapple Speeds post-surgery Promotes joint health Reduces asthma inflammation Blueberries Restore antioxidant levels Reverse age-related brain decline Prevent urinary tract infection Spinach Helps maintain mental sharpness Reduces the risk of cancers of the liver, ovaries, colon and prostate Top nutrient density Red Bell Pepper Reduces risk of lung, prostate, ovarian and cervical cancer Protects against sunburn Promotes heart health Broccoli Reduces diabetic damage Lowers risk of prostate, bladder, colon, pancreatic, gastric and breast cancer Protects the brain in event of injury Tomato Reduces inflammation Lowers risk of developing esophageal, stomach, colorectal, lung and pancreatic cancer Reduces cardiovascular disease risk Apple Supports immunity Fights lung and prostate cancer Lowers Alzheimer's risk Artichoke Helps blood clotting Antioxidant Superfood Lowers "bad" cholesterol Arugula Lowers birth defect risk Reduces fracture risk Protects eye health Asparagus Nourishes good gut bacteria Protects against birth defects Promotes heart health Avocado Limits liver damage Reduces oral cancer risk Lowers cholesterol levels Blackberries Build bone density Suppress appetite Enhance fat burning Butternut Squash Supports night vision Combats wrinkles Promotes heart health Cantaloupe Bolsters immunity Protects skin against sunburn Reduces inflammation Carrot Antioxidants defend DNA Fights cataracts Protects against some cancers Cauliflower Stimulates detoxification Suppresses breast cancer cell growth Defends against prostate cancer Cherries Alleviate arthritic pain and gout Lower "bad" cholesterol Reduce inflammation Cranberries Alleviate prostate pain Fight lung, colon and leukemia cancer cells Prevent urinary tract infection Green Cabbage Promotes healthy blood clotting Reduces risk of prostate, colon, breast and ovarian cancers Activates the body's natural detoxification systems Kale Counters harmful estrogens that can feed cancer Protects eyes against sun damage and cataracts Increases bone density Kiwi Combats wrinkles Lowers blood clot risk and reduces blood lipids Counters constipation Mango Supports immunity Lowers "bad" cholesterol Regulates homocysteine to protect arteries Mushrooms Promote natural detoxification Reduce the risk of colon and prostate cancer Lower blood pressure Orange Reduces levels of "bad" cholesterol Lowers risk of cancers of the mouth, throat, breast and stomach, and childhood leukemia Pectin suppresses appetite Papaya Enzymes aid digestion Reduces risk of lung cancer Enhances fat burning Plums & Prunes Counter constipation Antioxidants defend against DNA damage Protects against post-menopausal bone loss Pomegranate Enhances sunscreen protection Lowers "bad" cholesterol Fights prostate cancer Pumpkin Protects joints against polyarthritis Lowers lung and prostate cancer risk Reduces inflammation Raspberries Inhibit growth of oral, breast, colon and prostate cancers Antioxidant DNA defense Lower "bad" cholesterol levels Strawberries Protect against Alzheimer's Reduce "bad" cholesterol Suppress growth of colon, prostate and oral cancer Sweet Potato Reduces stroke risk Lowers cancer risk Protect against blindness Watermelon Supports male fertility Reduces risk of several cancers: prostate, ovarian, cervical, oral and pharyngeal Protects skin against sunburn Banana Increases Fat Burning Lowers risk of colorectal and kidney cancer, leukemia Reduces asthmas symptoms in children One of my missions in life is to share this kind of knowledge with others, so they can live more vital, active, satisfying lives. Since acquiring major interests in Dole 26 years ago, educating the public on proper diet has constituted the agenda of my Dole Nutrition Institute. We publish the Dole Nutrition News -- enjoyed by 2.5 million subscribers (sign up at www.dolenutrition.com). We create cooking and nutrition videos, cookbooks, brochures, and other educational collateral, like the chart above. We also provide educational support to teachers, parents and kids through www.dolesuperkids.com. While Arianna and I do not agree on all issues, we both believe in the importance of proper nutrition. I've known Arianna since she arrived in this country, many decades ago, and am godfather to one of her daughters. I've enjoyed many Mediterranean-style healthy meals at her home, and am helping her increase access to nutrition information, which is why I wanted to share some "food for thought" with her intellectually ravenous. * From maryrose333 at att.net Fri May 22 13:28:24 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:28:24 -0700 Subject: [GJM] Pope on Facebook Message-ID: <000f01c9db13$8ab3a3a0$a01aeae0$@net> If you think that Social Networking is not replacing traditional media outlets, think again. Pope on Facebook in attempt to woo young believers By Philip PullellaPosted 2009/05/22 at 10:04 am EDT VATICAN CITY, May 22, 2009 (Reuters) - You won't get an email saying Pope Benedict added you as a friend and you can't "poke" him or write on his wall, but the Vatican is still keen to use the networking site Facebook to woo young people back to church. Read the rest of this article here: http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre54l3as-us-pope-facebook/ FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Fri May 22 13:28:24 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:28:24 -0700 Subject: [GJM] 'Major Discovery' Primed To Unleash Solar Revolution Message-ID: <003201c9db13$91018fb0$b304af10$@net> 'Major Discovery' Primed To Unleash Solar Revolution: Scientists Mimic Essence Of Plants' Energy Storage System http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080731143345.htm It is my feeling that discoveries like this will end the Zionist "dominator paradigm" as we enter into the "Age of Knowledge". And, while we loath this old paradigm, the question must be asked as to whether or not we would be where we are today were it not for this event. In its own way, has not this paradigm shaped a path for us - revealing to us where we do not want to be? -- demonstrating that there must be a better way? If we never knew this path, could we know another? If we never knew that fire would burn our hand, how much other knowledge would be lost? What would life be like if rain never fell? FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From releyes at gmail.com Fri May 22 14:00:32 2009 From: releyes at gmail.com (Dr. Rima Laibow) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:00:32 -0500 Subject: [GJM] 'Major Discovery' Primed To Unleash Solar Revolution In-Reply-To: <003201c9db13$91018fb0$b304af10$@net> References: <003201c9db13$91018fb0$b304af10$@net> Message-ID: <503a10ac0905221300v3255c3a1uf1459a3823db2b7a@mail.gmail.com> mary rose, Would your argument be any weaker or stronger if you left out the word "Zionist" in your post? What does it add? Did the Church of the Middle Ages qualify as a "Zionist" organization? It was certainly was a dominator culture. How about the Muslim patriarchy? Tzarist Russia? The Stazi State of Nazi Germany? Martin Luther's misogynistic religion? Are the ultra orthodox Jews who do not want to see the State of Israel exist since it is only supposed to come into being after the messiah arrives Zionists? They certainly are a dominator culture, at least as far as women go. Perhaps the torture of Argentina in the 80's or Pol Pot's Cambodia might be called dominator societies. Were they then Zionists? >From where I sit you and others have set up a nasty boogy man and are flailing away at it. I agree with you that dominator societies are a source of great evil. How about looking squarely at that issue and letting the boogy many go? Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:28 PM, mary rose wrote: > * * > > * * > > *'Major Discovery' Primed To Unleash Solar Revolution: Scientists Mimic > Essence Of Plants' Energy Storage System* > > > > > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080731143345.htm > > > > It is my feeling that discoveries like this will end the Zionist ?dominator > paradigm? as we enter into the ?Age of Knowledge?. And, while we loath this > old paradigm, the question must be asked as to whether or not we would be > where we are today were it not for this event. In its own way, has not this > paradigm shaped a path for us ? revealing to us where we do not want to be? > -- demonstrating that there must be a better way? > > > > If we never knew this path, could we know another? If we never knew that > fire would burn our hand, how much other knowledge would be lost? > > > > What would life be like if rain never fell? > > > > FutureDawning.org > > *Mary Rose* > dustysummerrose at gmail.com > > *Always have my latest info* > > *Want a signature like this?* > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net > > http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Through this event movement we will begin to really acknowledge and recognize what must be done to bridge cultural differences locally, nationally and globally. We can and must work together to help save the environment within ourselves and around the world by becoming more Green and Diverse in the way we live, think and act toward each other. Coming together is the key. BLENd and Make New Friends! We are in the process of working with HRC corporate headquarters for the dates of our global tour beginning in mid 2009. The BLENd Global will take place at Hard Rock Cafes worldwide. Come Together at the BLENd Global Xplosion Event in Las Vegas late 2009 and Dubai in 2010. BLENd Pittsburgh is an event that celebrates Pittsburgh?s Diversity, by promoting local, global and cultural unity through, the arts, live entertainment, drink, food, networking, fun and plenty of laughter. BLENd is the only Metro/Urban Eco-Conscious Global Cultural event in Pittsburgh. The next concept of life after business to create business opportunities and casual relationships by blending our areas beautiful cultures together. Once people get together in the right atmosphere, we realize how much we are alike and the uniqueness of our differences. Contact Info Email: http://www.facebook.com/string_image.php?ct=AAAAAQAQH3KJOAQdhqw7tLoeqUrHPAAA ABRcrj_D8X3DHjEj37VTQidtEoU8qF5r10k%2C&fp=8.7&state=0&highlight=0 Website: Location: Pittsburgh, PA FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 389 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Love and regards, Venu (K.M.Venugopalan) On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:58 AM, mary rose wrote: > If you think that Social Networking is not replacing traditional media > outlets, > > think again. > > > > Pope on Facebook in attempt to woo young believers > > > > By Philip PullellaPosted 2009/05/22 at 10:04 am EDT > > VATICAN CITY, May 22, 2009 (Reuters) ? You won't get an email saying Pope > Benedict added you as a friend and you can't "poke" him or write on his > wall, but the Vatican is still keen to use the networking site Facebook to > woo young people back to church. > > Read the rest of this article here: > > > > http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre54l3as-us-pope-facebook/ > > > > FutureDawning.org > > Mary Rose > dustysummerrose at gmail.com > > Always have my latest info > > Want a signature like this? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net > http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net > > -- http://venukm.blogspot.com/ From maryrose333 at att.net Sat May 23 09:27:40 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:27:40 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Pope on Facebook Message-ID: <004801c9dbbb$0568c790$103a56b0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Venugopalan K M Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:31 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: Re: [GJM] Pope on Facebook Dear Mary Rose, Many of the messages from GJM are quite interesting and inspiring too, often. I do share quite a few of them with other discussion groups. Love and regards, Venu (K.M.Venugopalan) Dear Venu, Thank you for this note letting us know that messages are being relayed to others. While I have said this before, what I want to emphasize again is that what is called the "Blessed Unrest" movement, as revealed by activist/ecologist/economist Paul Hawken in his book by the same name, as being the "largest movement the world has ever seen" is largely unknown to the general public because it is not being reported by the mainstream media composed of radio, TV and the movie industry. So, if we want to spread our message of hope and freedom for a "new world" we are going to have to do it ourselves. And, now Social networking is offering us the ability to do this via the Internet and other means which are fast by-passing the conventional media as a viable means of information transmission. Another thing important to know here is that the Ning platform - based programs like Future Dawning is using, are able to accommodate upwards of 60,000 people on one website. And to do it in such a way that everyone holds center stage with the Ability to create their own blog, post photos, videos and other information. When accompanied by Skype which adds voice Communication to the mix, along with the ability to present large webinars and other media productions, each website becomes a media center itself with the potential for upwards of 60,000 people to be their own ABC, CBS, etc. So, what Les Squires, Co-founder of the TransitionUS movement and an expert in both Skype and Ning (who is teaching the medium on an international scale}, and I are doing is using this NING-Skype platform to network/aggregate the smaller individual groups (and individuals who are unaffiliated) into one large solidarity movement which will give us the unified people power with which to transform our social systems into life-enhancing ones which serve in the best interests of all concerned. Our focus is currently on networking the Human Consciousness Movement, the Sustainable Living Movement and the Women's Movement together so that we are moving into healthier lifestyles as individuals, thus changing the way we "think" by creating a healthier environment for ourselves. Our focus is on developing a healthy "emotional, social, and environmental intelligence/consciousness". In the past, as a society, we have not known about, and have thus paid little attention to these things, but now with our advanced intelligence we have the ability to create a "future by design" which serves in the best interest of all concerned. One of the tasks facing us is identifying the different segments of our social system that are operating in "death-defining" ways and aid them in transforming themselves so they are thinking and thus acting in more mature and intelligent ways. And, in aiding these system segments, e.g., Zionists, in transformation, we need to begin looking at and understanding why these segments of people act the way they do. What was it in their past (or past life) that formed the software running the sub-conscious mind? And what is it that prohibits the individual or group from making a conscious decision to move on into a healthier or more life-enhancing lifestyle pattern? One of the postulates of Holodynamics is that there is no "evil". What appears to be evil is that some people for one reason or another do not fully mature (move through) the different stages of development that are inherent in all of life. They get stuck at one stage or other of their progression, so while the body matures, the mind becomes stuck and the actions are those of a child in its terrible two's or a teenager in rebellion, etc. And this applies to groups as well as to individuals because like attracts like to form a collective group consciousness. In our efforts to accomplish this (organize) we are currently linked to the Transition Movement, the Zeitgeist movement, and the Holodynamics movement. And we are seeking other movements with which to link that are "groups" but which have not as yet formulated a sufficient collective consciousness to be considered a small movement. With love and appreciation to all, mary rose We must be the change we wish to see in our lives. M Gandhi On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:58 AM, mary rose wrote: > If you think that Social Networking is not replacing traditional media > outlets, > > think again. > > > > Pope on Facebook in attempt to woo young believers > > > > By Philip PullellaPosted 2009/05/22 at 10:04 am EDT > > VATICAN CITY, May 22, 2009 (Reuters) - You won't get an email saying Pope > Benedict added you as a friend and you can't "poke" him or write on his > wall, but the Vatican is still keen to use the networking site Facebook to > woo young people back to church. > > Read the rest of this article here: > > > > http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre54l3as-us-pope-facebook/ > > > > FutureDawning.org > > Mary Rose > dustysummerrose at gmail.com > > Always have my latest info > > Want a signature like this? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net > http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemo vement.net > > -- http://venukm.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemo vement.net From maryrose333 at att.net Sat May 23 12:17:26 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:17:26 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Message from Dr. Rima and response by MR re: 'Major Discovery' Primed To Unleash Solar Revolution Message-ID: <006401c9dbd2$beef2ad0$3ccd8070$@net> From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Dr. Rima Laibow Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 1:01 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: Re: [GJM] 'Major Discovery' Primed To Unleash Solar Revolution mary rose, Would your argument be any weaker or stronger if you left out the word "Zionist" in your post? What does it add? Did the Church of the Middle Ages qualify as a "Zionist" organization? It was certainly was a dominator culture. How about the Muslim patriarchy? Tzarist Russia? The Stazi State of Nazi Germany? Martin Luther's misogynistic religion? Are the ultra orthodox Jews who do not want to see the State of Israel exist since it is only supposed to come into being after the messiah arrives Zionists? They certainly are a dominator culture, at least as far as women go. Perhaps the torture of Argentina in the 80's or Pol Pot's Cambodia might be called dominator societies. Were they then Zionists? >From where I sit you and others have set up a nasty boogy man and are flailing away at it. I agree with you that dominator societies are a source of great evil. How about looking squarely at that issue and letting the boogy many go? Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Dear Rima, you bring out some very good points here. However, I am not the originator of the word "Zionists". There is a group of people who define themselves as Zionists who are for the main part Jews, but not all Zionists are Jews just as not all Jews are Zionists. And what we are looking at is a behavior pattern among these people who thus identify themselves and asking what is it that makes these people behave as they do. At least from where I sit and take part in this endeavor. The reason the focus is so much on those who call themselves Zionists today is because they have control of both the media (which includes the movie industry) and the banking system of the U.S. which is considered to be the world's "superpower" and in this position serve to threaten the well-being of the rest of the world as they also exert a large amount of control over the U.S. military-industrial complex and the power it wields to exert force. Whereas the other cultures you point out, while they may be considered dominator societies/cultures, were for the most part localized and not in a position to threaten the whole world as are the Zionists today. In my research for "The Sacred Quest for the Who of I Am" I have been able to trace backwards into history what is called by others a "Hebraic tribe" which appeared in the area of the Russian Steppe's region at some point in the Neolithic Age. At some early point in time they became known as Kurgans. And, in tracing them backwards, I have also been able to trace them forwards into today's society/culture. In so-doing they also appear as a "collective consciousness" which I have previously written about and call: "the Kurgan cattle culture consciousness" as they spread their culture throughout the world while also moving cattle with them as they conquered continent after continent. And from what I am able to deduce, these are the same people who today call themselves Zionists. The Kurgans were the first to breed horses large enough for a man to mount. This then gave them the ability to amass large herds of cattle which they bred from the giant Aurochs. All cattle today are descendents of the Auroch and among the most well known is the Texas Longhorn. There is much too much of course for me to even begin to write here, which is the "why" of the book. But it may serve to note that these people down through history have been shown to be what others have described as "extremely cruel and without compassion for others". The other question I had, of course, was where these people came from. And while I had intuited extraterrestrial beginnings, I was unable to find a substantial link until I began reading Zecharia Sitchin's books in which he referred to the Bible and the Nephilim, and then the whole thing began to fall into place. The clue to extraterrestrial beginnings was provided in the book: "Egypt - Child of Atlantis" written by John Gordon, a senior fellow of the Theosophical Society of England. Gordon is an internationally-recognized lecturer on ancient history and metaphysics. His book bears the subtitle: "A Radical Interpretation of the Origins of Civilization". It also reveals that the pyramids are much older than formerly thought - at least 50,000 years older. The book also reveals the cosmological and astronomical underpinnings of Egyptian philosophy and how they gave structure to all of society. Much of what was known to the Egyptians was burned in the libraries of Alexandria when the Romans gave birth to the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Were the knowledge contained in the libraries of Alexandria and other places in Egypt left available for the masses, they would have undermined the underpinnings given to the Church when Pope Constantine ordered the rewriting of the Bible at the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. in which 25 books were removed, including that which told the story of the Nephilim. Again brevity here for the benefit of space, but one thing which may add to the understanding here is that the Nephilim were known as "Gods". And the place in which their spacecraft landed was known as "ED.IN". And ED.IN appears to be the place known today as Jerusalem. As I view it, the disagreement we are witnessing today is between the different bloodlines that have been passed down from the time of "creation" which took place when extraterrestrial life in the form of the Nephilim , first inhabited Earth. This time, according to the writings inscribed on the Sumerian Tablets was 432,000 years ago. With regard to my references to remarks such as "into each life some rain must fall" I am referring to the recent findings of Gregg Braden and others that life is cyclical and humanity goes through times of peace and times of chaos and turmoil. What is now being recognized is that the energy from the sun and the planets play a far more important role in shaping who we are and how we act than has been previously recognized. And humanity's downturns and upturns which follow a cyclical order are brought about by these astrological effects. And the overall effect is one that appears to shape the manner in which life unfolds on Earth. So, the downturns are as much a part of shaping the "dance of life" as are the upturns. It is the "swings of the wild pendulum" as Itzhak Bentov calls it in his book: "Stalking the Wild Pendulum" which shapes the growth of humanity here on Earth. As the "body electric" both the AC and DC current is needed to keep the coded "in-formation" of which we are all composed flowing, and this is reflected in the "light" and "dark" times in which humanity has passed through time and again as our "evolution" unfolds. But again there is not enough space in which to discuss this in depth. It will, and is taking volumes to reveal as many individuals take part in this discovery. I am but one, and again repeat that I am only the messenger and not the message. With love and in peace, mary rose On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:28 PM, mary rose wrote: 'Major Discovery' Primed To Unleash Solar Revolution: Scientists Mimic Essence Of Plants' Energy Storage System http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080731143345.htm It is my feeling that discoveries like this will end the Zionist "dominator paradigm" as we enter into the "Age of Knowledge". And, while we loath this old paradigm, the question must be asked as to whether or not we would be where we are today were it not for this event. In its own way, has not this paradigm shaped a path for us - revealing to us where we do not want to be? -- demonstrating that there must be a better way? If we never knew this path, could we know another? If we never knew that fire would burn our hand, how much other knowledge would be lost? What would life be like if rain never fell? FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemo vement.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00026.txt URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sat May 23 12:57:04 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:57:04 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] FBI Blows It: Supposed Terror Plot Against NY Synagogues Is Bogus Message-ID: <007e01c9dbd8$46b75a50$d4260ef0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:10 AM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] FBI Blows It: Supposed Terror Plot Against NY Synagogues Is Bogus "Plot after plot -- the destruction of the Brooklyn Bridge! bombing the New York Subways! taking down the Sears Tower! bombing the Prudential building in Newark! -- proved to be utter nonsense." FBI Blows It: Supposed Terror Plot Against NY Synagogues Is Bogus http://www.thenation.com/ By Robert Dreyfuss, The Nation. Posted May 23, 2009. Turns out it is really the handiwork of a creepy FBI informant. The story strengthens the narrative that the "homeland" is under attack. It's not. By the now, it's maddeningly familiar. A scary terrorist plot is announced. Then it's revealed that the suspects are a hapless bunch of ne'er-do-wells or run-of-the-mill thugs without the slightest connection to any terrorists at all, never mind to Al Qaeda. Finally, the last piece of the puzzle: the entire plot is revealed to have been cooked up by a scummy government agent-provocateur. I've seen this movie before. In this case, the alleged perps -- Onta Williams, James Cromitie, David Williams, and Laguerre Payen -- were losers, ex-cons, drug addicts. Al Qaeda they're not. Without the assistance of the agent who entrapped them, they would never have dreamed of committing political violence, nor would they have had the slightest idea about where to acquire plastic explosives or a Stinger missile. That didn't stop prosecutors from acting as if they'd captured Osama bin Laden himself. Noted the Los Angeles Times: Prosecutors called it the latest in a string of homegrown terrorism plots hatched after Sept. 11. "It's hard to envision a more chilling plot," Assistant U.S. Atty. Eric Snyder said in court Thursday. He described all four suspects as "eager to bring death to Jews." Actually, it's hard to imagine a stupider, less competent, and less important plot. The four losers were ensnared by a creepy FBI agent who hung around the mosque in upstate New York until he found what he was looking for. Here's the New York Times account: Salahuddin Mustafa Muhammad, the imam at the mosque where the authorities say the confidential informant first encountered the men, said none of the men were active in the mosque. ... Mr. Cromitie was there last June, and he met a stranger. He had no way of knowing that the stranger's path to the mosque began in 2002, when he was arrested on federal charges of identity theft. He was sentenced to five years' probation, and became a confidential informant for the F.B.I. He began showing up at the mosque in Newburgh around 2007, Mr. Muhammad said. The stranger's behavior aroused the imam's suspicions. He invited other worshipers to meals, and spoke of violence and jihad, so the imam said he steered clear of him. "There was just something fishy about him," Mr. Muhammad said. Members "believed he was a government agent." Mr. Muhammad said members of his congregation told him the man he believed was the informant offered at least one of them a substantial amount of money to join his "team." So a creepy thug buttonholes people at a mosque, foaming at the mouth about violence and jihad? This is law enforcement? Just imagine if someone did this at a local church, or some synagogue. And the imam says the people "believed he was a government agent." Preying on these losers, none of whom were apparently actual Muslims, the "confidential informant" orchestrated the acquisition of a disabled Stinger missile to shoot down military planes and cooked up a wild scheme about attacking a Jewish center in the Bronx. It gets even more pathetic: The only one of the four suspects who appears to have aroused any suspicion was Payen, a Haitian native who attended the Newburgh mosque. Assistant imam Hamid Rashada said his dishevelment and odd behavior disturbed some members, said the assistant imam, Hamid Rashada. When Payen appeared in court, defense attorney Marilyn Reader described him as "intellectually challenged" and on medication for schizophrenia. The Associated Press said that when he was asked if he understood the proceedings, Payen replied: "Sort of." Despite the pompous statements from Mayor Bloomberg of New York and other politicians, including Representative Peter King, the whole story is bogus. The four losers may have been inclined to violence, and they may have harbored a virulent strain of anti-Semitism. But it seems that the informant whipped up their violent tendencies and their hatred of Jews, cooked up the plot, incited them, arranged their purchase of weapons, and then had them busted. To ensure that it made headlines, the creepy informant claimed to be representing a Pakistani extremist group, Jaish-e Muhammad, a bona fide terrorist organization. He wasn't, of course. It is disgusting and outrageous that the FBI is sending provocateurs into mosques. The headlines reinforce the very fear that Dick Cheney is trying to stir up. The story strengthens the narrative that the "homeland" is under attack. It's not. As I've written repeatedly, since 9/11 not a single American has even been punched in the nose by an angry Muslim, as far as I can tell. Plot after plot -- the destruction of the Brooklyn Bridge! bombing the New York Subways! taking down the Sears Tower! bombing the Prudential building in Newark! -- proved to be utter nonsense. From maryrose333 at att.net Sat May 23 13:03:39 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:03:39 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] American retirees make a life in Mexico, cheaply Message-ID: <007f01c9dbd9$32282e10$96788a30$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:48 AM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] American retirees make a life in Mexico, cheaply (To change your settings or unsubscribe please go to http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/globalnetnews-summary) http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/68606.html?storylink=omni_popular American retirees make a life in Mexico, cheaply David Reinbold | McClatchy Newspapers last updated: May 21, 2009 01:31:48 PM CUERNAVACA, Mexico - What kind of person sells all her possessions, hops in a car with a fistful of cash and drives south of the border to make a new life? Meet Barbara Swartz: She's done it twice. "It takes a sense of adventure," said the 78-year-old, whose roots are in California. "I've come here twice, once 25 years ago, and once five years ago after my husband died, and each time I sold everything I owned and left." Or meet Gordon White, a retired software executive who left the snow and ice of Michigan 12 years ago and has never looked back. "The transition was nice," White said. "No more cold, no more snow, no more ice. The only ice I see is in my drinks now. I love it." Swartz and White are among the estimated million American expatriates living in Mexico, the largest community of American expatriates anywhere in the world. They come to Mexico for its sunshine and warm weather, its proximity to home and a cost of living that's far lower than in the United States. All these factors brought Swartz to Cuernavaca, a city of about 800,000 a little more than an hour's drive south of Mexico City, where she can live comfortably on about $1,000 a month, she said. "The weather is fantastic here. It's about 75 to 85 degrees year-round and it only rains at night," Swartz said, pointing to a sun-drenched yard punctuated with bird of paradise plants. Along with the culture and warm weather, however, the expats face a tradeoff: Some must go without any type of health care coverage while they're living in Mexico. "We have friends that are 65 and older that fly back to the states to take care of these things because it's not in their budgets to have health insurance here," said Andrea Grater, the president of a local group of American expats known as the Newcomers Club. Indeed, for some the availability of health insurance as they age becomes a larger and larger factor in determining whether retiring to Mexico makes financial sense. Swartz moved to Mexico for the first time in the early 1980s, when she settled in Cuernavaca with her husband, a retired naval officer. They stayed for about 20 years, but in 2004, her husband's battle with Parkinson's disease took a turn for the worse. In the U.S., he could take advantage of the excellent medical benefits available to veterans, benefits he couldn't use in Mexico. "I made the decision to sell our house and drive back up," Swartz said. The couple's daughter found them a small house outside Houston, where they lived for a few months while her husband received his treatment. "He went downhill rather quickly. He was 86 years old," Swartz said. "He had excellent medical care at the VA and a hospice situation, and all of that went exactly the way my family and I wanted it to go." After her husband died, however, Swartz said, she just didn't feel right. Her friends told her repeatedly to come back to Cuernavaca. In Mexico, she spends her days on what most would call a vacation: playing cards with her friends, painting and tending to her garden. "Now I wouldn't go back" to the United States, she said. "I was there alone in this cute little house wondering, 'What's it like to be a widow?' " Like most widows of veterans, she still collects her husband's pension, which helps to supplement her income. She said she lived very well, but she acknowledged that she's "living on the edge" by not having health insurance. Health insurance is an issue that arises often, according to U.S. diplomats in Mexico who deal with the American expatriate community. For some expatriates, paying out of pocket isn't a big deal: The cost of health care in Mexico is a fraction of what it would be in the United States. For others, however, who often live on fixed incomes composed of pensions and 401(k) savings, health insurance is a luxury that's out of reach. While the expatriates still receive their pensions and other benefits, such as retiree or supplemental security income, they can't use health plans that are covered under Medicare and Medicaid. Don McLeod, a public affairs specialist for Medicare and Medicaid, said that his office got frequent calls from people wondering whether they could use their benefits outside the U.S. "Medicare - by law - does not pay for services outside of the country. People think they can retire and take their Medicare with them, but they can't," he said. Not every expatriate lives without medical benefits, however. White buys health insurance through the Mexican government. "It's like an HMO; it's government health care," he said. "But it's not a lot of money - about $50 a month - and that gives me some coverage." White has needed it. The 67-year-old Detroit native recently underwent surgery to repair his knee and said he thought that he was in excellent hands. "The rich Mexicans go to the United States for medical care, but I think the doctors down here are good. A lot of them go to the United States for their advanced degrees anyway," White said. Another adjustment that expatriates must make is how they communicate with and see loved ones back home. White said he hadn't been back to the U.S. for more than five years. His parents are deceased, but he has sisters, although said he didn't "have any real ties or desire to go back." Some expatriates, such as Swartz, have families in Cuernavaca. Her son recently moved back to the city with his family. For holidays, Swartz said, other family members often travel to be with her in Mexico. "I don't care to go back to the United States that much. I'm really convinced that if they come here, I can show them the wonders of Mexico and they'll love it," she said. However, she said, her sister in Laguna Beach, Calif., doesn't like to come. "She's afraid to come to Mexico. She believes the press; she's assured that she'll be either murdered in her bed or her car," Swartz said. (Reinbold is a student at Penn State University. This story was reported from Mexico for a class in international journalism.) From maryrose333 at att.net Sat May 23 14:58:20 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 13:58:20 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: FW: Message from Dr. Rima and response by MR re: 'Major Discovery' Primed To Unleash Solar Revolution Message-ID: <009c01c9dbe9$38fe1b90$aafa52b0$@net> From: Steve Bhaerman [mailto:swamib at saber.net] Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:43 AM To: mary rose Subject: Re: FW: [GJM] Message from Dr. Rima and response by MR re: 'Major Discovery' Primed To Unleash Solar Revolution Hi Mary Rose, You don't really address any of Rima's examples. While your theory may be correct -- or it may not -- it's more important to bump up to the objectives we all share in common rather than look backward with an explanation that involves so much qualification and explanation to justify that it creates unnecessary divisiveness when what is required is integration. While Rima's examples might all have the same dominator roots, this "lowest common dominator" world view has been so pervasive in Western so-called civilization for the past millennium that there are few cultures indeed who have escaped being perpetrators. The real question is, now what? We are poised to make an emergent leap where new human society will be so fundamentally different from what we are familiar with that it will be unrecognizable. Yes, we will need truth and reconciliation to metabolize the toxins that have been stewing in the body politic for so long. In order to heal the old human condition and make way for the new, we will more importantly need to release the derogatory and obsolete labels that keep us separated, and focus on what we have in common in the human heart. I invite you to take a step in that direction. Sometimes "being right" ends up being wrong. Steve Steve, I am not attempting to be either right or wrong. Again, I am not the message only the messenger and reporting what I am finding from hundreds of different sources. My feelings are regardless of who said it that the old adage "and the truth will set you free" is a truism. And what I feel you, and Dr. Rima as well, are suggesting is that we just sweep the old under the carpet and it will disappear if we but abolish the labels. And, I have long been writing that two key words today are: "integration" and "flexibility". IMHO, it is when the immature actions of some segments of society disappear that the labels will disappear with them. And what has been found to be most effective in keeping the collective group consciousness "accountable" for their actions is "peer group pressure". And I very much see that happening as the positive energy rises up and says: "we are just not going to take this kind of behavior anymore, it is time to grow up and clean up your act so that the rest of us may live in peace." And, I see this happening as President Obama is getting tough with the Israeli and saying "enough is enough" whereas those who were pulling the strings behind the Bush administration were egging the kids in the arena on as if this were a school yard tussle of 10-year olds and not two countries fighting with one of them using weapons of mass destruction in an attempt to wipe the other out. As well, I view Texe Marrs shooting his "Hollywood Jews" article across the bow of that group as a warning as well. I also see a body of people rising up and saying that politics are no way to run a society and we need a new system that works for all of the people. And there is going to be a lot of conflict over this as those who are entrenched and making a pile of money from creating waste are assailed by those who see the future dawning brighter and more positive and are moving into it. And, if you feel that the lid can be kept on the extraterrestrial issue much longer, then think again. When you have someone like former astronaut and founder of the Institute of Noetic Science, Dr. Edgar Mitchell going to the government and asking about the "cover up" and being rebuffed; and, then you have all of the crop circles plus the testimony of so many people who have been abducted, telling their stories, to attempt to keep the lid on gets to be just plain ridiculous. In addition there are people like John Major Jenkins, Barbara Hand Clow, and Carl Johan Calleman, along with John Gordon, whom I just mentioned who have a better grasp on the reality of things than do many others I am encountering today who are supposedly "informed". What I feel is being highly underestimated is the intelligence of those who are utilizing the power of the Internet today to "in-form" themselves and others and by-passing the priests of old who have jealously guarded their secrets in order to "make money from dispensing them". By the way, we are learning about the healing power of music and the Solfeggio scale on Facebook. The Galactic Butterfly is a band that is playing dance and listening music at 528hz. David Potter, one of the founders is regularly posting there as are many others who are well informed. And a woman by the name of Constance Demby is setting the world on fire with a musical instrument she constructed herself. Alice Cash another Facebook member is writing and recording healing music for people who are both undergoing surgery and other medical treatments. We learn something new every day of the week and every hour. Peter Kater another member who writes healing music has a very large following on FB. He is also an award-winning environmentalist acknowledged by the U.N. So, I wish you well on whatever path it is you are on. We appear to be all headed in the same direction and from where I sit there is room for all of us - we each play our role. Some of us will just arrive "there" wherever there is before others. With love and appreciation, M R mary rose wrote: From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Dr. Rima Laibow Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 1:01 PM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Subject: Re: [GJM] 'Major Discovery' Primed To Unleash Solar Revolution mary rose, Would your argument be any weaker or stronger if you left out the word "Zionist" in your post? What does it add? Did the Church of the Middle Ages qualify as a "Zionist" organization? It was certainly was a dominator culture. How about the Muslim patriarchy? Tzarist Russia? The Stazi State of Nazi Germany? Martin Luther's misogynistic religion? Are the ultra orthodox Jews who do not want to see the State of Israel exist since it is only supposed to come into being after the messiah arrives Zionists? They certainly are a dominator culture, at least as far as women go. Perhaps the torture of Argentina in the 80's or Pol Pot's Cambodia might be called dominator societies. Were they then Zionists? >From where I sit you and others have set up a nasty boogy man and are flailing away at it. I agree with you that dominator societies are a source of great evil. How about looking squarely at that issue and letting the boogy many go? Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima Dear Rima, you bring out some very good points here. However, I am not the originator of the word "Zionists". There is a group of people who define themselves as Zionists who are for the main part Jews, but not all Zionists are Jews just as not all Jews are Zionists. And what we are looking at is a behavior pattern among these people who thus identify themselves and asking what is it that makes these people behave as they do. At least from where I sit and take part in this endeavor. The reason the focus is so much on those who call themselves Zionists today is because they have control of both the media (which includes the movie industry) and the banking system of the U.S. which is considered to be the world's "superpower" and in this position serve to threaten the well-being of the rest of the world as they also exert a large amount of control over the U.S. military-industrial complex and the power it wields to exert force. Whereas the other cultures you point out, while they may be considered dominator societies/cultures, were for the most part localized and not in a position to threaten the whole world as are the Zionists today. In my research for "The Sacred Quest for the Who of I Am" I have been able to trace backwards into history what is called by others a "Hebraic tribe" which appeared in the area of the Russian Steppe's region at some point in the Neolithic Age. At some early point in time they became known as Kurgans. And, in tracing them backwards, I have also been able to trace them forwards into today's society/culture. In so-doing they also appear as a "collective consciousness" which I have previously written about and call: "the Kurgan cattle culture consciousness" as they spread their culture throughout the world while also moving cattle with them as they conquered continent after continent. And from what I am able to deduce, these are the same people who today call themselves Zionists. The Kurgans were the first to breed horses large enough for a man to mount. This then gave them the ability to amass large herds of cattle which they bred from the giant Aurochs. All cattle today are descendents of the Auroch and among the most well known is the Texas Longhorn. There is much too much of course for me to even begin to write here, which is the "why" of the book. But it may serve to note that these people down through history have been shown to be what others have described as "extremely cruel and without compassion for others". The other question I had, of course, was where these people came from. And while I had intuited extraterrestrial beginnings, I was unable to find a substantial link until I began reading Zecharia Sitchin's books in which he referred to the Bible and the Nephilim, and then the whole thing began to fall into place. The clue to extraterrestrial beginnings was provided in the book: "Egypt - Child of Atlantis" written by John Gordon, a senior fellow of the Theosophical Society of England. Gordon is an internationally-recognized lecturer on ancient history and metaphysics. His book bears the subtitle: "A Radical Interpretation of the Origins of Civilization". It also reveals that the pyramids are much older than formerly thought - at least 50,000 years older. The book also reveals the cosmological and astronomical underpinnings of Egyptian philosophy and how they gave structure to all of society. Much of what was known to the Egyptians was burned in the libraries of Alexandria when the Romans gave birth to the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Were the knowledge contained in the libraries of Alexandria and other places in Egypt left available for the masses, they would have undermined the underpinnings given to the Church when Pope Constantine ordered the rewriting of the Bible at the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. in which 25 books were removed, including that which told the story of the Nephilim. Again brevity here for the benefit of space, but one thing which may add to the understanding here is that the Nephilim were known as "Gods". And the place in which their spacecraft landed was known as "ED.IN". And ED.IN appears to be the place known today as Jerusalem. As I view it, the disagreement we are witnessing today is between the different bloodlines that have been passed down from the time of "creation" which took place when extraterrestrial life in the form of the Nephilim , first inhabited Earth. This time, according to the writings inscribed on the Sumerian Tablets was 432,000 years ago. With regard to my references to remarks such as "into each life some rain must fall" I am referring to the recent findings of Gregg Braden and others that life is cyclical and humanity goes through times of peace and times of chaos and turmoil. What is now being recognized is that the energy from the sun and the planets play a far more important role in shaping who we are and how we act than has been previously recognized. And humanity's downturns and upturns which follow a cyclical order are brought about by these astrological effects. And the overall effect is one that appears to shape the manner in which life unfolds on Earth. So, the downturns are as much a part of shaping the "dance of life" as are the upturns. It is the "swings of the wild pendulum" as Itzhak Bentov calls it in his book: "Stalking the Wild Pendulum" which shapes the growth of humanity here on Earth. As the "body electric" both the AC and DC current is needed to keep the coded "in-formation" of which we are all composed flowing, and this is reflected in the "light" and "dark" times in which humanity has passed through time and again as our "evolution" unfolds. But again there is not enough space in which to discuss this in depth. It will, and is taking volumes to reveal as many individuals take part in this discovery. I am but one, and again repeat that I am only the messenger and not the message. With love and in peace, mary rose On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:28 PM, mary rose wrote: 'Major Discovery' Primed To Unleash Solar Revolution: Scientists Mimic Essence Of Plants' Energy Storage System http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080731143345.htm It is my feeling that discoveries like this will end the Zionist "dominator paradigm" as we enter into the "Age of Knowledge". And, while we loath this old paradigm, the question must be asked as to whether or not we would be where we are today were it not for this event. In its own way, has not this paradigm shaped a path for us - revealing to us where we do not want to be? -- demonstrating that there must be a better way? If we never knew this path, could we know another? If we never knew that fire would burn our hand, how much other knowledge would be lost? What would life be like if rain never fell? FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemo vement.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sat May 23 16:11:51 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 15:11:51 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FOR CLARIFICATION Message-ID: <001b01c9dbf3$7c4f2fb0$74ed8f10$@net> Because I have mentioned Les Squires name in a message regarding some of the things we are doing together, I want to make it clear that I have never discussed with Les any issues related to anything I write here on the Co-learner's list. What I write about has strictly to do with the research I have conducted for The Sacred Quest and I do not discuss this in other circles except for the Extraterrestrial issue which I have brought out on Facebook. My intent with "sharing" here on the Co-learner's list is just that - a desire to share what I have learned from 15 or more years of research with information compiled from hundreds of books. During this period of time, I cannot have helped but form some opinions. However, what I write is not intended to impact anyone in a personal manner. The book is written from a biological, cultural and social perspective which cannot help but contain some historical data derived from both archaeological finds and recorded documents including the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Sumerian Tablets. Due to its content, what I write about is controversial just as was Brown's book "The Da Vinci Code". So, be it. And, if anyone wants to take what I write personally, that is not my problem as it is not my intent for it to be an indictment on a personal level, although I may fault "systems" both human and otherwise. I find it as ridiculous to be asked to stop referring to the Zionists who call themselves Zionists as I would if Native Americans suddenly asked to not be called Native Americans, or New Yorkers suddenly asked to not be called New Yorkers. If the shoe doesn't fit, then stop trying to put it on, please. FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sat May 23 16:23:10 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 15:23:10 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: OPEN NOW! NSF $$ Attacked Message-ID: <003b01c9dbf5$111466f0$333d34d0$@net> I am extremely sorry to hear of this dilemma. With love and appreciation. mary rose From: Natural Solutions Foundation [mailto:healthfreedomusa at mail.democracyinaction.org] Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:03 PM To: maryrose333 at att.net Subject: OPEN NOW! NSF $$ Attacked EMERGENCY NOTICE To All Natural Solutions Supporters: This is an emergency appeal for help and support. No fancy graphics, none of the important information about health and freedom you usually get from our Health Freedom Action eAlerts... just this note to tell you Natural Solutions Foundation is about to be shut down - permanently - through a series of vicious attacks unless you help keep Health Freedom alive. It's that serious. We were preparing a new Blast and were going to tell you about the exciting news - Dr. Rima's Advanced Medicine organization, which endorses the Natural Solutions Foundation, has just come out against ALL GMOs... we were going to tell you about the growing alliance between health freedom advocates and natural farming groups to fight the (sic) "Food Safety" bills... we were going to tell you about our efforts to secure your right to self-quarantine in the event of a weaponized flu pandemic, instead of being forced to take a vaccine that might kill you... until this vicious attack took place and we had to change our direction from health freedom information and action to making sure Natural Solutions Foundation, the largest and most effective health freedom organization in the world, stays alive. After all, if Natural Solutions Foundation were not making the kind of headway we are, why would we be attacked? Why would we be the subject of constant disinformation and why would our funds, and funding, be attacked the way they have been? So instead of news and action steps, we have an emergency to deal with. It is called "survival". Right now we have to tell you that we are about to lose access to our internet communication platform, Democracy in Action (DIA), the online facility that lets us send these eblasts to a quarter million people (not counting the several million more to whom they are forwarded). We also have to tell you that we cannot pay the Natural Solutions Foundation's bills for this month because of this attack. The money that we intended to pay them with has been taken from our bank account as part of the continuing attack on us, leaving us many thousands of dollars short. We've already told you about the cyber attack we've been under, in which an "attack bot" was sending tens of thousands of fake $1 'donations' to us; and how even though we believe that their system should have caught the obviously fraudulent 'donations' (about which we notified them), the unfriendly corporation known as "authorize.net" decided to charge us ten cents for each fraudulent transaction - even after we purchased their so-called "Fraud Protection Suite" for a montly fee. That means that the more than 100,000 fraudulent transactions the bot generated have cost us an enormous amount of money. Authorize.net simply took those disputed charges from the Foundation bank account into which credit card purchases and donations were automatically deposited. To date they have now taken thousands of dollars from our Foundation bank account, including all of your DIA donations from last month, leaving us with a negative account balance. We can't pay DIA. We can't pay our bills. We can't attend the Codex meeting in Rome this coming July. Soon we won't be able to communicate with you at all. Why? Because today we received this note from DIA: "...past due balance ($6,450). This is unacceptable and if the remainder of the two invoices is not paid by the end of this week we will suspend service and potentially terminate our relationship..." That's it folks. Unless we raise about $7,000 immediately to pay DIA, we will be terminated by our communication platform. No more concerted efforts that have had such powerful effects... And unless we raise another $10K to pay our outstanding monthly expenses, and enough money to go to Codex in July, we will be on the outside, looking in... without being there for you. You can see what we've accomplished with your help at: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?page_id=195 . It is really ironic that if everyone reading this email blast did, in fact, what the bot was supposedly doing, making donations of small amounts, we would not have this problem. The fact is, however, that less than 4% of our primary mailing list readers (and that list is about 1/4 million people) donate. Of the secondary list -- millions of people (!) a much, much smaller percentage donate. Yes, they take action, and for that we are most appreciative, but they do not donate. "Let George [or Jose, or Pierre, or Sasha, or Ng, or Warantai] do it!" The truth of the matter is that health freedom belongs to every one of us and we need your help, large or small, and we need it now. You will only be able to donate through our PayPal portal since we have shut off the credit card system that uses authorize.net or through sending checks or money orders to us at Natural Solutions Foundation PO Box 722 Maryville MO 64468 We need your help to keep us alive and helping you by carrying out the battle for your health freedom. Please, please give generously today: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?page_id=189 . Recurring donations, whatever their size, are urgently needed. All donations are tax deductible in the US. Donations are accepted from supporters all over the world. If everyone who normally opens this eblast donates even a few dollars every month, Natural Solutions Foundation will survive. It is up to you. Is it worth $5 or $10 or more? We believe it is and we urgently hope that you think so, too. Large numbers of supporters open every blast: we need your help now! Among our innovations on your behalf is the thrust to demand the right to self-quarantine if a Pandemic (real or imagined) is called, rather than be forced to take weaponized vaccines for a weaponized virus. So, for as long as our communication platform remains available, send a message to Congress, your Governor and State legislators: we want our right to self-quarantine, in the event of a pandemic, to be legally secured: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27275 Remember, there is no one but you who can make sure that the Natural Solutions Foundation, your health freedom voice, stays alive. We believe you want us at Codex in July. We believe you want our Health Freedom Action eAlerts. We believe you want our information and we believe that you want our Health Freedom Action Steps as part of the vast army of Mouse Warriors riding the Freedom Mouse for your own well-being and the well-being of those you love. Now is the time to show that our belief in you is justified. Help us recover from these devastating attacks and emerge stronger and more powerful than ever. Codex Commission meeting is coming in July. We want to be there for you. Help make sure it happens. We want to continue to inform and activate the health freedom community. Help make sure it happens. If there is an Angel out there who can help us put our finances back in order, we need you to contact us immediately. Please contact our counsel Ralph Fucetola at ralph.fucetola at usa.net. Please, please give generously today: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?page_id=189 . Thank you, each and every one of you, for your donations, large and small. Each one will help to ensure that the Natural Solutions Foundation survives to continue the battle for YOUR health freedom. Yours in Health and Freedom, Maj. Gen. Albert N. Stubblebine III (U.S. A. Ret.) President Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Ralph Fucetola, JD Counsel Natural Solutions Foundation www.HealthFreedomUSA.org www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org www.NaturalSolutionsFoundation.org www.Organics4U.org www.NaturalSolutionsMarketPlace.org PS: If you are a customer of our virtual stores, www.Organics4U.org and www.NaturalSolutionsMarketPlace.org you probably recieved the following letter from Gail Coba, our wonderful Customer Service lady: From: Gail Coba Date: Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:32 AM Subject: An Important Message from Natural Solutions Foundation To: healthoptions at hughes.net Dear Supporters and Customers The Natural Solutions Foundation's Marketplace "online Mall" has been attacked by Credit Card Hackers. We have had to suspend our credit card processing with Authorize.net. We do have Pay Pal in place and that system is working fine. We don't want to put your information at risk, nor ours - so we are asking our customers and supporters to continue their patronage using the Pay Pal system for now. We are investigating the security of other systems for those of you who prefer another option. We plan on bringing a more secure online system into place very very soon. We will dispatch another email to you personally to advise you. Please know that this change is necessary only because fraudulent charges were being tested in the Natural Solutions account. We found that with all the security features in place, that the real orders received, were being rejected along with the fraudulent orders. We truly apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you, however it is a necessary step to insure our security and we will correct this situation as soon as possible. If you have a monthly recurring charge on your credit card - that is not with Pay Pal, please contact me immediately. 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 332 bytes Desc: not available URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Sat May 23 23:55:50 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 22:55:50 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: [globalnetnews-summary] They May Not Want The Bomb Message-ID: <000001c9dc34$4d7e9040$e87bb0c0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net [mailto:globalnetnews-summary-owner at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of TradingPostPaul Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 8:49 PM To: globalnetnews-summary at lists.riseup.net Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] They May Not Want The Bomb They May Not Want The Bomb http://www.newsweek.com/id/199147?from=rss And other unexpected truths. By Fareed Zakaria | NEWSWEEK Published May 23, 2009 Everything you know about Iran is wrong, or at least more complicated than you think. Take the bomb. The regime wants to be a nuclear power but could well be happy with a peaceful civilian program (which could make the challenge it poses more complex). What's the evidence? Well, over the last five years, senior Iranian officials at every level have repeatedly asserted that they do not intend to build nuclear weapons. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has quoted the regime's founding father, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who asserted that such weapons were "un-Islamic." The country's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, issued a fatwa in 2004 describing the use of nuclear weapons as immoral. In a subsequent sermon, he declared that "developing, producing or stockpiling nuclear weapons is forbidden under Islam." Last year Khamenei reiterated all these points after meeting with the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei. Now, of course, they could all be lying. But it seems odd for a regime that derives its legitimacy from its fidelity to Islam to declare constantly that these weapons are un-Islamic if it intends to develop them. It would be far shrewder to stop reminding people of Khomeini's statements and stop issuing new fatwas against nukes. Following a civilian nuclear strategy has big benefits. The country would remain within international law, simply asserting its rights under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, a position that has much support across the world. That would make comprehensive sanctions against Iran impossible. And if Tehran's aim is to expand its regional influence, it doesn't need a bomb to do so. Simply having a clear "breakout" capacity-the ability to weaponize within a few months-would allow it to operate with much greater latitude and impunity in the Middle East and Central Asia. Iranians aren't suicidal. In an interview last week, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described the Iranian regime as "a messianic, apocalyptic cult." In fact, Iran has tended to behave in a shrewd, calculating manner, advancing its interests when possible, retreating when necessary. The Iranians allied with the United States and against the Taliban in 2001, assisting in the creation of the Karzai government. They worked against the United States in Iraq, where they feared the creation of a pro-U.S. puppet on their border. Earlier this year, during the Gaza war, Israel warned Hizbullah not to launch rockets against it, and there is much evidence that Iran played a role in reining in their proxies. Iran's ruling elite is obsessed with gathering wealth and maintaining power. The argument made by those-including many Israelis for coercive sanctions against Iran is that many in the regime have been squirreling away money into bank accounts in Dubai and Switzerland for their children and grandchildren. These are not actions associated with people who believe that the world is going to end soon. EarthShare One of Netanyahu's advisers said of Iran, "Think Amalek." The Bible says that the Amalekites were dedicated enemies of the Jewish people. In 1 Samuel 15, God says, "Go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." Now, were the president of Iran and his advisers to have cited a religious text that gave divine sanction for the annihilation of an entire race, they would be called, well, messianic. Iran isn't a dictatorship. It is certainly not a democracy. The regime jails opponents, closes down magazines and tolerates few challenges to its authority. But neither is it a monolithic dictatorship. It might be best described as an oligarchy, with considerable debate and dissent within the elites. Even the so-called Supreme Leader has a constituency, the Assembly of Experts, who selected him and whom he has to keep happy. Ahmadinejad is widely seen as the "mad mullah" who runs the country, but he is not the unquestioned chief executive and is actually a thorn in the side of the clerical establishment. He is a layman with no family connections to major ayatollahs-which makes him a rare figure in the ruling class. He was not initially the favored candidate of the Supreme Leader in the 2005 election. Even now the mullahs clearly dislike him, and he, in turn, does things deliberately designed to undermine their authority. Iran might be ready to deal. We can't know if a deal is possible since we've never tried to negotiate one, not directly. While the regime appears united in its belief that Iran has the right to a civilian nuclear program-a position with broad popular support-some leaders seem sensitive to the costs of the current approach. It is conceivable that these "moderates" would appreciate the potential benefits of limiting their nuclear program, including trade, technology and recognition by the United States. The Iranians insist they must be able to enrich uranium on their own soil. One proposal is for this to take place in Iran but only under the control of an international consortium. It's not a perfect solution because the Iranians could-if they were very creative and dedicated-cheat. But neither is it perfect from the Iranian point of view because it would effectively mean a permanent inspections regime in their country. But both sides might get enough of what they consider crucial for it to work. Why not try this before launching the next Mideast war? From maryrose333 at att.net Sun May 24 00:16:29 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 23:16:29 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: LIVEH20 - Coming your way this June 21st.... Message-ID: <000001c9dc37$2fdb4120$8f91c360$@net> I am really thrilled to be forwarding the message for this event. Recall Dr. Horowitz is the Founder of OxySilver which is the antidote for any flu. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Stephanie Sutton Date: Sat, May 23, 2009 at 8:01 PM Subject: LIVEH20 - Coming your way this June 21st.... To: Stephanie Sutton SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT Please, lend your support to LIVEH2O--Concert for the Living Water! Leonard Horowitz Executive Producer, LIVE H2O NEWS RELEASE Water Woodstock for Peace, Health & Sustainability Laguna Beach, CA- If the whole world is a stage, then this summer "LIVEH2O" will offer a global performance. It is being called a "high tech Woodstock." The Concert for the Living Water, advanced by activists worldwide, is designed to promote peace, health and plenty of clean water. LIVE H2O is being hosted in more than a dozen countries simultaneously from Japan to Jerusalem, June 19-21, 2009. It is history's first grassroots organized environmental initiative engaging audiences interactively over the Internet in HD video to raise awareness about the "Universal Solvent." LIVEH2O.org has created LIVEH2O.tv for people everywhere to participate online. Southern California alone is advancing four venues to accommodate the rising tide of celebrites and Grammy Award winners volunteering to perform during the 72-hour broadcast. Ten broadcasting channels initially planned have been doubled this week to support the international demand for LIVEH2O.tv programming. "LIVE H2O is where science meets consciousness," explains Sheri Thomas, a Los Angeles marketing executive. "The plan includes a vibrational experiment using music, water, and positive intention." The science portion is advanced by world leading experts in physics, metaphysics, and musical mathematics. This team is led by internationally known public health authority, Dr. Leonard Horowitz, who conceived the event. The advisors encourage music to be performed in the frequency of 528 Hz, most closely related to LOVE. Equipment will be positioned adjacent important bodies of water. The consciousness portion is the simultaneous accompaniment of music and voice by expressions of gratitude. A world harmonic sound wave is planned to circle the earth over LIVEH2O.tv on Sunday, June 21st. People on and offline will send and receive audio and video streams everywhere for 90 minutes. A sonic hug will be given by people who can't use computers, but have telephones. Their voices will join in teleconference rooms--virtual religious and spiritual sanctuaries--then rebroadcast to join audiences at every venue to create a signal that enters oceans, lakes, rivers, and streams worldwide. This way, everyone gets a chance to musically sprinkle LOVE and thanks to water. Music industry standards have changed many times over history, including the shifting of musical instrument tunings away from 528 Hz--the C-note used by Gregorian monks. This ancient musical standard will be transferred into modern songs and sent out across the waters as a thoughtful expression of thanks for all that water provides. This family friendly "edutainment" experience with musicians, bands, artists, children's activities, vendors, and speakers promoting water's importance in peace, health, and sustainability will be broadcast for free beginning Friday, June 19th, over the Internet at www.liveh2o.tv - For more information go to http://www.liveh2o.org/ Contact: Sheri Thomas 818-813-8969 Cell. 818-325-6674 Email: sheri at getabt.com Note from Jean: Make sure to GO at http://www.liveh2o.org (make sure to read it all and explore some of the many videos in the cool panoramic video display) and listen to the main wholevideo there. Leonard is offering a really FANTASTIC and brightly inspired visionary understanding of what the universal Love frequency is. Then if you want to dig this amazing concept further, watch (again entirely) SYNTHESIZER RE-TUNING TO THE ANCIENT SOLFEGGIO at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZltcnTVlgRw and give a good look athttp://web.mac.com/len15/LOVE528/HOME.html and if you are lucky and visit the love channel television at the right time, you'll see a livestream of some amazing musician playing live or you'll view one of Dr. Horowitz's many videos and conferences or some live interview. His vision for this 3-day live event in 9 main venues around the world - more will be added as shown athttp://www.liveh2o.org/schedule/ - is to have as many people as possible praying/meditating close to large water bodies (or with in order to set the oceans resonating to the universal 528Hz Love frequency which in turn will have a tremendous positive influence upon all Life on Earth and all soul beings. Please help network this widely in all languages! Be there and be LOVE! "528Hz is at the heart of everything. It is the difference between making love not war. It is the energy driving universal prosperity; the bioenergy of health and longevity. It is the harmonic vibration of self-esteem or self-love that lifts your heart and Divine voice in harmony with heaven. There is nothing missing or broken in this frequency of divinity. It is the essence of loving perfection. When you are in it, you are in tune with your creative spirit, and everything just flows in perfect rhythm and rhyme. 528 cycles-per-second, math science now proves, is central to the "musical mathematical matrix of creation." This "LOVE frequency" harmonically resonates in your heart connecting your essence to heaven and earth. This frequency, more than any other, epitomizes the unified field of musical metaphysics in the matrix of the spiraling fractal universe." I also recommend you watch... 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Estimated present-day world population is about 6,700,000,000 so 1% out of that is 67,000,000 and so the square root of that is about 8,200 people. >From &wall_posts=> With these statistics, it appears that meditation groups such as those being conducted by the Institute of HeartMath Global Coherence Project, then we should fast be approaching a shift. However, what also appears is that as long as meditation is being conducted in certain areas of the planet, e.g. a city, the crime rate goes down. But when the meditation exercise stops, the crime rate goes up and may exceed what it was prior to the meditation. (McTaggart - The Intention Experiment) But, I am also reading in: "Twelve-Tribe Nations - Sacred Number and the Golden Age" that Cistercian Monks from the beginning of the twelfth century retired to the "loneliest and most barren districts of Europe", and lived in the utmost simplicity, spending every precious moment in prayer and chanting. Then, within a few years of their doing this, the whole surrounding countryside changed, with the former wilderness growing rich and populous with the people there involved in simple crafts. The monks themselves contributed nothing to the great estates that grew from meager beginnings, but only continued their chanting. Again, with regard to chanting, I am reminded of reading in one of Gregg Braden's books as to how he and his wife watched the disappearance of a large malignant tumor on a woman's bladder via a sonogram while three priests chanted. And while there is far too much to report from this source, in "Secrets of the Soil - New Solutions for Restoring our Planet," Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird document how energy vibrations are able to rid fields of pests while producing luxuriant growth in plants as well as an abundance of fruit. Tompkins and Bird also tell of subtle energy vibrations from a field other than the electromagnetic. Another chapter of this book entitled: Vortex Energy documents the story of list member Dr. G. Patrick Flanagan in his search for the secret behind the longevity of people who drank what might be referred to as "glacial water". For anyone interested in truly "organic" and effective means of food production, this book is a must. What is becoming increasingly evident is the power of subtle energy vibrations to "change the world" if only we connect with these powerful forces in appropriate ways. FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com Mon May 25 03:48:37 2009 From: mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com (Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:18:37 +0530 (IST) Subject: [GJM] Shifting World Consciousness and more with subtle energy vibrations Message-ID: <639321.48322.qm@web94909.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Dear Mary, I am reminded of the discussion in the millennium forum where Craig Hubley to my submission for adoption of prayer 5 times a day responded very positively and agreed that? meditation and prayer is very important for best meditation by people in governance .Craig is facilitating Open Politics dialogue in Canada and has been involved with the Green Party there. He is very prolific in writing and perhaps the brightest among people who have been writing for interspecies justice and various other issues. Describing his work is quite difficult for me. He had been close to Sufis and has a very good understanding of Islam.I would like you add the?the impact of Sufi practices in particular and Islamic practice of payer 5 times a day in general on the temporal and eternal wellbeing. The saints you mention having great impacts in the neighbourhood were indeed the friends of Allah/ the Creator of Universes, who was neither begotten nor beget. Islamic understanding of the Creator of universes is gender neutral. Implementation of commands is for both men and women. There are verses in the Holy Qur'an with blessings for men and women both having certain attributes that are in conformity with the prescriptions for men and women who have attained a spritual status known best to the Almighty only. That's the reason, such men and women never boasted of their status and never sought returns from fellow human beings. Indeed the vibrations, impacts are felt by the fellow men and women as such men and women present an example for their contemporaries and seek pleasure of the Almighty only while doing their best for the humanity and posterity. May we be bless with such guidance. Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam 58-C,DDA Flats, Ashok Vihar-III,Delhi-110052 Tel:9968345380 --- On Mon, 25/5/09, mary rose wrote: From: mary rose Subject: [GJM] Shifting World Consciousness and more with subtle energy vibrations To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net, FixGov at yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 25 May, 2009, 2:50 AM It has been said that all that is needed to shift the consciousness of the world is the square root of 1% of the population. ? Estimated present-day world population is about 6,700,000,000 so 1% out of that is 67,000,000 and so the square root of that is about 8,200 people. ? >From ? With these statistics, it appears that meditation groups such as those being conducted by the Institute of HeartMath Global Coherence Project, then we should fast be approaching a shift. ? However, what ?also appears is that as long as meditation is being conducted in certain areas of the planet, e.g. a city, the crime rate goes down.? But when the meditation exercise stops, the crime rate goes up and may exceed what it was prior to the meditation.? (McTaggart ? The Intention Experiment)? ? But, I am also reading in:? ?Twelve-Tribe Nations ? Sacred Number and the Golden Age? that Cistercian Monks from the beginning of the twelfth century retired to the ?loneliest and most barren districts of Europe?, and lived in the utmost simplicity, spending every precious moment in prayer and chanting. Then, within a few years of their doing this, the whole surrounding countryside changed, with the former wilderness growing rich and populous with the people there involved in simple crafts.? The monks themselves contributed nothing to the great estates that grew from meager beginnings, but only continued their chanting.? ?? ? Again, with regard to chanting, I am reminded of reading in one of Gregg Braden?s books as to how he and his wife watched the disappearance of a large malignant tumor on a woman?s bladder via a sonogram while three priests chanted. ? And while there is far too much to report from this source, in ?Secrets of the Soil ? New Solutions for Restoring our Planet,? Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird document how energy vibrations are able to rid fields of pests while producing luxuriant growth in plants as well as an abundance of fruit.? Tompkins and Bird also tell of subtle energy vibrations from a field other than the electromagnetic.? Another chapter of this book entitled: Vortex Energy documents the story of list member Dr. G. Patrick Flanagan in his search for the secret behind the longevity of people who drank what might be referred to as ?glacial water?. ? ? For anyone interested in truly ?organic? and effective means of food production, this book is a must.? ? What is becoming increasingly evident is the power of subtle energy vibrations to ?change the world? if only we connect with these powerful forces in appropriate ways.? ? ? ? FutureDawning.org Mary Rose dustysummerrose at gmail.com Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with Yahoo! India Travel http://in.travel.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Mon May 25 04:24:59 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 03:24:59 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Dangers of BOTTLED Water and high heat environment Message-ID: <003a01c9dd23$11538590$33fa90b0$@net> This is very important, but I also want to add that dioxin is also found in high concentrations in dairy products and beef as it tends to concentrate in fat as revealed by John Robbins in his book: The Food Revolution. More dioxin is found in one serving of Baskin-Robbins ice cream than is found in effluent dumped as "safe" waste into streams and rivers. Baskin and Robbins ice cream was used for the test as it was deemed to be the most unlikely source of contamination since Baskin-Robbins buys from small farmers who least likely to use steroids and other drugs/chemicals on their cows. Recommendations are to "eat lower on the food chain" as fruits and vegetables contain the "anti-oxidants" not found in meat and as well do not contain the high fat content. Eating raw fruits and vegetables also provides one with the enzymes vital to good health. (Information provided by both John Robbins and David Wolfe in various books and articles). Freezing organically grown bananas and then putting them into the blender with another organically-grown fruit and adding chocolate and or nuts in different combinations can be a very delicious and nutritious substitute for ice cream. From: Bob Taft [mailto:rbtaft at rtconnect.net] Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:25 PM To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Subject: Fw: Dangers of BOTTLED Water and high heat environment Best regards,. Bob Taft The Taft Ranch Upton, Wyoming (307) 465-2206 http://www.freedomclubusa.com/the_tun http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=74897 "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." Aesop ----- Original Message ----- From: MichiMac To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: Dangers of BOTTLED Water and high heat environment ----- Original Message ----- From: M very dangerous! On the Ellen show, Sheryl Crow said this is what caused her breast cancer. It has been identified as the most common cause of the high levels of dioxin in breast cancer tissue. Sheryl Crow's oncologist told her: women should not drink bottled water that has been left in a car. The heat reacts with the chemicals in the plastic of the bottle which releases dioxin into the water. Dioxin is a toxin increasingly found in breast cancer tissue. So please be careful and do not drink bottled water that has been left in a car. Pass this on to all the women in your life. This information is the kind we need to know that just might save us! Use a stainless steel canteen or a glass bottle instead of plastic! LET EVERYONE WHO HAS A WIFE / GIRLFRIEND / DAUGHTER KNOW PLEASE! This information is also being circulated at Walter Reed Army Medical Center No plastic containers in microwave. No water bottles in freezer No plastic wrap in microwave. A dioxin chem ical causes cancer, especially breast cancer. Dioxins are highly poisonous to the cells of our bodies. Don't freeze your plastic bottles with water in them as this releases dioxins from the plastic. Recently, Edward Fujimoto, Wellness Program Manager at Castle Hospital, was on a TV program to explain this health hazard. He talked about dioxins and how bad they are for us. He said that we should not be heating our food in the microwave using plastic containers... This especially applies as to foods that contain fat. He said that the combination of fat, high heat, =2 0 and plastic releases dioxin into the food and ultimately into the cells of the body... Instead, he recommends using glass, such as Corning Ware, Pyrex or ceramic containers for heating food. You get the same results, only without the dioxin.. So such things as TV dinners, instant ramen and soups, etc., should be removed from the container and heated in something else. Paper isn't bad but you don't know what is in the paper. 0A It's just safer to use tempered glass, Corning Ware, etc. He reminded us that a while ago some of the fast food restaurants moved away from the foam containers to paper. The dioxin problem is one of the reasons... Also, he pointed out that plastic wrap, such as Saran wrap, is just as dangerous when placed over foods to be cooked in the microwave. As the food is nuked, the high heat causes poisonous toxins to actually melt out of the plastic wrap and drip into the food. Cover food with a paper towel instead. This is an article that should be sent to anyone important in your life! _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/24/09 07:09:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From releyes at gmail.com Sat May 23 16:03:08 2009 From: releyes at gmail.com (Dr. Rima Laibow) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:03:08 -0500 Subject: [GJM] FW: Message from Dr. Rima and response by MR re: 'Major Discovery' Primed To Unleash Solar Revolution In-Reply-To: <006401c9dbd2$beef2ad0$3ccd8070$@net> References: <006401c9dbd2$beef2ad0$3ccd8070$@net> Message-ID: <503a10ac0905231503x1fd93680y41c8ab862eb0f996@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, mary rose, for the acknowledgment. I am not an anthropologist by training, but do read heavily in that area. I would be totally astonished if the Kurgans turned out to be the Jews' ancestors. I am not aware of any evidence to support this hypothesis. But even if they were, saying a people "these people down through history have been shown to be what others have described as ?extremely cruel and without compassion for others?. " is a lot like saying all Catholics (or Jews, or Hindus or Muslims, or men, or horse lovers, or whatever) are really bad people because they belong to the designated and hated group. This is the very stuff of socially engineered hatred of which I have written before. We can never know what the Kurgans were like as people. We might know what the people they conquered thought of them (and it was probably not very complimentary) but how can you know what the ethical and moral standards of a people who ceased to exist? If you look at the genetics of the Kurgans, you do NOT find a spread into the Fertile Crescent or the lands where the early history of the Jews took place. Here is a brief look at that issue: During the last glacial maximum (25,000 to 13,000 years ago), it is likely that the population of Europe retreated into refuges, one being the Ukraine. A specific haplogroup R1a1defined by the M17 ( SNP marker) of the Y chromosome (see:[3]for nomenclature) is associated by some researchers with the Kurgan culture. The haplogroup R1a1 is "currently found in central and western Asia, India, and in Slavic populations of Eastern Europe", but it is rare in most countries of Western Europe (*e.g.* France, or some parts of Great Britain) (see [4] [5]). However, 23.6% of Norwegians, 18.4% of Swedes, 16.5% of Danes, 11% of Saamishare this lineage ( [6] ). Investigations suggest the Hg R1a1 gene expanded from the Dniepr-Don Valley, between 13 000 and 7600 years ago, and was linked to the reindeer hunters of the Ahrensburg culture that started from the Dniepr valley in Ukraine and reached Scandinavia 12 000 years ago.[9] Ornella Semino et al. (see [7]) propose this postglacial spread of the R1a1 gene from the Ukrainian LGM refuge was *magnified*by the expansion of the Kurgan culture into Europe and eastward. R1a1 is most prevalent in Poland, Russia, and Ukraine and is also observed in Afghanistan,India,Iran,Pakistan and central Asia. Correspondingly, R1b(also Eu18 ? see [8] for nomenclature conversions) was believed to have spread from the Iberian Peninsula( Spain and Portugal) following the last glacial maximum and is still prevalent in western Europe, or Atlantic Europe, especially in the Basque Country, without being rare in eastern Europe. Another marker that closely corresponds to Kurgan migrations is distribution of blood group B allele, mapped by Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza. The distribution of blood group B allele in Europe matches the proposed map of Kurgan Culture, and Haplogroup R1a1 (YDNA) distribution. Similarly, if you look at the history and timelines of these folks, breeding horses, etc, you do not find support for the hypothesis you propose. If the Jews of old were the Kurgans of even older, why was the Middle Eastern culture of the ancient Hebrew's time not a horse culture? There were horses, but the Jews were not a horse people. Their animals were goats and sheep, perhaps camels. What would have caused the Kurgans to give up the hall mark of their culture and become pastoralists without their horses? Further, it is my understanding that the linguistic evidence does not support your hypothesis. Again, mary rose, I could go on and on but the point is clear: the Kurgans are another version of your boogy man. I do not believe that any people is inherently not nice [eg: "extremely cruel and without compassion for others"] although it convenient to see them that way if you are on the outside and not part of the inner group. Such compartmentalization (read "Zionist" for "Kurgan" and you have the same discourse) is fundamentally flawed and breeds hatred. If you, as I have said before, wish to be the change you wish to see, then you need to abandon the hate think for love think. It works, takes you further and builds a new world, not merely rearrainging the deck chairs of the old one. With appreciation for all the work you do, Dr. Rima Rima E. Laibow, MD Medical Director Natural Solutions Foundation www.HealthFreedomUSA.org www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org www.NaturalSolutionsFoundation.org On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, mary rose wrote: > > > > > *From:* discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto: > discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] *On Behalf Of *Dr. Rima > Laibow > *Sent:* Friday, May 22, 2009 1:01 PM > *To:* Discussion Forum for Global Justice > *Subject:* Re: [GJM] 'Major Discovery' Primed To Unleash Solar Revolution > > > > mary rose, > Would your argument be any weaker or stronger if you left out the word > "Zionist" in your post? > What does it add? > Did the Church of the Middle Ages qualify as a "Zionist" organization? > It was certainly was a dominator culture. > How about the Muslim patriarchy? Tzarist Russia? The Stazi State of Nazi > Germany? Martin Luther's misogynistic religion? Are the ultra orthodox Jews > who do not want to see the State of Israel exist since it is only supposed > to come into being after the messiah arrives Zionists? They certainly are a > dominator culture, at least as far as women go. > Perhaps the torture of Argentina in the 80's or Pol Pot's Cambodia might be > called dominator societies. Were they then Zionists? > > >From where I sit you and others have set up a nasty boogy man and are > flailing away at it. > I agree with you that dominator societies are a source of great evil. How > about looking squarely at that issue and letting the boogy many go? > Yours in health and freedom, > Dr. Rima > > Dear Rima, you bring out some very good points here. However, I am not the > originator of the word ?Zionists?. There is a group of people who define > themselves as Zionists who are for the main part Jews, but not all Zionists > are Jews just as not all Jews are Zionists. And what we are looking at is a > behavior pattern among these people who thus identify themselves and asking > what is it that makes these people behave as they do. At least from where I > sit and take part in this endeavor. > > The reason the focus is so much on those who call themselves Zionists today > is because they have control of both the media (which includes the movie > industry) and the banking system of the U.S. which is considered to be the > world?s ?superpower? and in this position serve to threaten the well-being > of the rest of the world as they also exert a large amount of control over > the U.S. military-industrial complex and the power it wields to exert > force. Whereas the other cultures you point out, while they may be > considered dominator societies/cultures, were for the most part localized > and not in a position to threaten the whole world as are the Zionists > today. > > In my research for ?The Sacred Quest for the Who of I Am? I have been able > to trace backwards into history what is called by others a ?Hebraic tribe? > which appeared in the area of the Russian Steppe?s region at some point in > the Neolithic Age. At some early point in time they became known as > Kurgans. And, in tracing them backwards, I have also been able to trace > them forwards into today?s society/culture. In so-doing they also appear as > a ?collective consciousness? which I have previously written about and call: > ?the Kurgan cattle culture consciousness? as they spread their culture > throughout the world while also moving cattle with them as they conquered > continent after continent. And from what I am able to deduce, these are the > same people who today call themselves Zionists. The Kurgans were the first > to breed horses large enough for a man to mount. This then gave them the > ability to amass large herds of cattle which they bred from the giant > Aurochs. All cattle today are descendents of the Auroch and among the most > well known is the Texas Longhorn. There is much too much of course for me > to even begin to write here, which is the ?why? of the book. But it may > serve to note that these people down through history have been shown to be > what others have described as ?extremely cruel and without compassion for > others?. > > The other question I had, of course, was where these people came from. And > while I had intuited extraterrestrial beginnings, I was unable to find a > substantial link until I began reading Zecharia Sitchin?s books in which he > referred to the Bible and the Nephilim, and then the whole thing began to > fall into place. The clue to extraterrestrial beginnings was provided in > the book: ?Egypt ? Child of Atlantis? written by John Gordon, a senior > fellow of the Theosophical Society of England. Gordon is an > internationally-recognized lecturer on ancient history and metaphysics. His > book bears the subtitle: ?A Radical Interpretation of the Origins of > Civilization?. It also reveals that the pyramids are much older than > formerly thought ? at least 50,000 years older. The book also reveals the > cosmological and astronomical underpinnings of Egyptian philosophy and how > they gave structure to all of society. Much of what was known to the > Egyptians was burned in the libraries of Alexandria when the Romans gave > birth to the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Were the knowledge contained in > the libraries of Alexandria and other places in Egypt left available for the > masses, they would have undermined the underpinnings given to the Church > when Pope Constantine ordered the rewriting of the Bible at the Council of > Nicaea in 325 A.D. in which 25 books were removed, including that which told > the story of the Nephilim. Again brevity here for the benefit of space, > but one thing which may add to the understanding here is that the Nephilim > were known as ?Gods?. And the place in which their spacecraft landed was > known as ?ED.IN?. And ED.IN appears to be the place known today as > Jerusalem. > > As I view it, the disagreement we are witnessing today is between the > different bloodlines that have been passed down from the time of ?creation? > which took place when extraterrestrial life in the form of the Nephilim , > first inhabited Earth. This time, according to the writings inscribed on > the Sumerian Tablets was 432,000 years ago. > > With regard to my references to remarks such as ?into each life some rain > must fall? I am referring to the recent findings of Gregg Braden and others > that life is cyclical and humanity goes through times of peace and times of > chaos and turmoil. What is now being recognized is that the energy from the > sun and the planets play a far more important role in shaping who we are and > how we act than has been previously recognized. And humanity?s downturns > and upturns which follow a cyclical order are brought about by these > astrological effects. And the overall effect is one that appears to shape > the manner in which life unfolds on Earth. So, the downturns are as much a > part of shaping the ?dance of life? as are the upturns. It is the ?swings > of the wild pendulum? as Itzhak Bentov calls it in his book: ?Stalking the > Wild Pendulum? which shapes the growth of humanity here on Earth. As the > ?body electric? both the AC and DC current is needed to keep the coded > ?in-formation? of which we are all composed flowing, and this is reflected > in the ?light? and ?dark? times in which humanity has passed through time > and again as our ?evolution? unfolds. But again there is not enough space > in which to discuss this in depth. It will, and is taking volumes to reveal > as many individuals take part in this discovery. I am but one, and again > repeat that I am only the messenger and not the message. > > With love and in peace, > > mary rose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:28 PM, mary rose wrote: > > * * > > * * > > *'Major Discovery' Primed To Unleash Solar Revolution: Scientists Mimic > Essence Of Plants' Energy Storage System* > > > > > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080731143345.htm > > > > It is my feeling that discoveries like this will end the Zionist ?dominator > paradigm? as we enter into the ?Age of Knowledge?. And, while we loath this > old paradigm, the question must be asked as to whether or not we would be > where we are today were it not for this event. In its own way, has not this > paradigm shaped a path for us ? revealing to us where we do not want to be? > -- demonstrating that there must be a better way? > > > > If we never knew this path, could we know another? If we never knew that > fire would burn our hand, how much other knowledge would be lost? > > > > What would life be like if rain never fell? > > > > FutureDawning.org > > *Mary Rose* > dustysummerrose at gmail.com > > *Always have my latest info* > > *Want a signature like this?* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net > > http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net > > http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From releyes at gmail.com Sat May 23 16:38:21 2009 From: releyes at gmail.com (Dr. Rima Laibow) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:38:21 -0500 Subject: [GJM] FW: OPEN NOW! NSF $$ Attacked In-Reply-To: <003b01c9dbf5$111466f0$333d34d0$@net> References: <003b01c9dbf5$111466f0$333d34d0$@net> Message-ID: <503a10ac0905231538m487c0483ld1a5a3d43f3680ae@mail.gmail.com> Thank you! I appreciate your sharing this with the group. Yours in health and freedom, Dr. Rima On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, mary rose wrote: > I am extremely sorry to hear of this dilemma. > > > > With love and appreciation. mary rose > > > > *From:* Natural Solutions Foundation [mailto: > healthfreedomusa at mail.democracyinaction.org] > *Sent:* Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:03 PM > *To:* maryrose333 at att.net > *Subject:* OPEN NOW! NSF $$ Attacked > > > > *EMERGENCY NOTICE* > > *To All Natural Solutions Supporters: > > This is an emergency appeal for help and support. No fancy graphics, none > of the important information about health and freedom you usually get from > our Health Freedom Action eAlerts... just this note to tell you Natural > Solutions Foundation is about to be shut down - permanently - through a > series of vicious attacks unless you help keep Health Freedom alive. It's > that serious. > > We were preparing a new Blast and were going to tell you about the exciting > news - Dr. Rima's Advanced Medicine organization, which endorses the Natural > Solutions Foundation, has just come out against ALL GMOs... we were going > to tell you about the growing alliance between health freedom advocates and > natural farming groups to fight the (sic) "Food Safety" bills... we were > going to tell you about our efforts to secure your right to self-quarantine > in the event of a weaponized flu pandemic, instead of being forced to take a > vaccine that might kill you... until this vicious attack took place and we > had to change our direction from health freedom information and action to > making sure Natural Solutions Foundation, the largest and most effective > health freedom organization in the world, stays alive. * > > *After all, if Natural Solutions Foundation were not making the kind of > headway we are, why would we be attacked? Why would we be the subject of > constant disinformation and why would our funds, and funding, be attacked > the way they have been? > > So instead of news and action steps, we have an emergency to deal with. It > is called "survival". Right now we have to tell you that we are about to > lose access to our internet communication platform, Democracy in Action > (DIA), the online facility that lets us send these eblasts to a quarter > million people (not counting the several million more to whom they are > forwarded). We also have to tell you that we cannot pay the Natural > Solutions Foundation's bills for this month because of this attack. The > money that we intended to pay them with has been taken from our bank account > as part of the continuing attack on us, leaving us many thousands of dollars > short. > > We've already told you about the cyber attack we've been under, in which an > "attack bot" was sending tens of thousands of fake $1 'donations' to us; > and how even though we believe that their system should have caught the > obviously fraudulent 'donations' (about which we notified them), the > unfriendly corporation known as "authorize.net" decided to charge us ten > cents for each fraudulent transaction - even after we purchased their > so-called "Fraud Protection Suite" for a montly fee. That means that the > more than 100,000 fraudulent transactions the bot generated have cost us an > enormous amount of money. Authorize.net simply took those disputed charges > from the Foundation bank account into which credit card purchases and > donations were automatically deposited. To date they have now taken > thousands of dollars from our Foundation bank account, including all of your > DIA donations from last month, leaving us with a negative account balance. > We can't pay DIA. We can't pay our bills. We can't attend the Codex meeting > in Rome this coming July. Soon we won't be able to communicate with you at > all. > > Why? Because today we received this note from DIA: "...past due balance > ($6,450). This is unacceptable and if the remainder of the two invoices is > not paid by the end of this week we will suspend service and potentially > terminate our relationship..." > > That's it folks. Unless we raise about $7,000 immediately to pay DIA, we > will be terminated by our communication platform. No more concerted efforts > that have had such powerful effects... * > > *And unless we raise another $10K to pay our outstanding monthly expenses, > and enough money to go to Codex in July, we will be on the outside, looking > in... without being there for you.* > > *You can see what we've accomplished with your help at: > http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?page_id=195. > * > > *It is really ironic that if everyone reading this email blast did, in > fact, what the bot was supposedly doing, making donations of small amounts, > we would not have this problem. The fact is, however, that less than 4% of > our primary mailing list readers (and that list is about 1/4 million people) > donate. Of the secondary list -- millions of people (!) a much, much > smaller percentage donate. Yes, they take action, and for that we are most > appreciative, but they do not donate. "Let George [or Jose, or Pierre, or > Sasha, or Ng, or Warantai] do it!" * > > *The truth of the matter is that health freedom belongs to every one of us > and we need your help, large or small, and we need it now.* > > *You will only be able to donate through our PayPal portal since we have > shut off the credit card system that uses authorize.net or through sending > checks or money orders to us at* > > *Natural Solutions Foundation* > *PO Box 722* > *Maryville MO 64468* > > *We need your help to keep us alive and helping you by carrying out the > battle for your health freedom. > > Please, please give generously today: > http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?page_id=189. > Recurring donations, whatever their size, are urgently needed. All > donations are tax deductible in the US. Donations are accepted from > supporters all over the world. > > If everyone who normally opens this eblast donates even a few dollars every > month, Natural Solutions Foundation will survive. It is up to you. Is it > worth $5 or $10 or more? We believe it is and we urgently hope that you > think so, too. Large numbers of supporters open every blast: we need your > help now! > > Among our innovations on your behalf is the thrust to demand the right to > self-quarantine if a Pandemic (real or imagined) is called, rather than be > forced to take weaponized vaccines for a weaponized virus. * > > *So, for as long as our communication platform remains available, send a > message to Congress, your Governor and State legislators: we want our right > to self-quarantine, in the event of a pandemic, to be legally secured: > > http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27275 > * > > *Remember, there is no one but you who can make sure that the Natural > Solutions Foundation, your health freedom voice, stays alive. We believe > you want us at Codex in July. We believe you want our Health Freedom Action > eAlerts. We believe you want our information and we believe that you want > our Health Freedom Action Steps as part of the vast army of Mouse Warriors > riding the Freedom Mouse for your own well-being and the well-being of those > you love.* > > *Now is the time to show that our belief in you is justified.* > > *Help us recover from these devastating attacks and emerge stronger and > more powerful than ever. Codex Commission meeting is coming in July. We > want to be there for you. Help make sure it happens. We want to continue > to inform and activate the health freedom community. Help make sure it > happens. > > If there is an Angel out there who can help us put our finances back in > order, we need you to contact us immediately. Please contact our counsel > Ralph Fucetola at ralph.fucetola at usa.net.* > > *Please, please give generously today: > http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?page_id=189. > * > > *Thank you, each and every one of you, for your donations, large and > small. Each one will help to ensure that the Natural Solutions Foundation > survives to continue the battle for YOUR health freedom. > > Yours in Health and Freedom,* > > *Maj. Gen. Albert N. Stubblebine III (U.S. A. Ret.) * > *President* > > *Rima E. Laibow, MD* > *Medical Director* > > *Ralph Fucetola, JD* > *Counsel* > > *Natural Solutions Foundation* > > *www.HealthFreedomUSA.org* > *www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org* > *www.NaturalSolutionsFoundation.org* > *www.Organics4U.org* > *www.NaturalSolutionsMarketPlace.org* > > *PS: If you are a customer of our virtual stores, www.Organics4U.organd > www.NaturalSolutionsMarketPlace.orgyou probably recieved the following letter from Gail Coba, our wonderful > Customer Service lady:* > > From: *Gail Coba* > Date: Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:32 AM > Subject: An Important Message from Natural Solutions Foundation > To: healthoptions at hughes.net > > Dear Supporters and Customers > > The Natural Solutions Foundation's Marketplace "online Mall" has been > attacked by Credit Card Hackers. We have had to suspend our credit card > processing with Authorize.net. We do have Pay Pal in place and that system > is working fine. We don't want to put your information at risk, nor ours - > so we are asking our customers and supporters to continue their patronage > using the Pay Pal system for now. > > We are investigating the security of other systems for those of you who > prefer another option. > We plan on bringing a more secure online system into place very very soon. > We will dispatch another email to you personally to advise you. > > Please know that this change is necessary only because fraudulent charges > were being tested in the Natural Solutions account. We found that with all > the security features in place, that the real orders received, were being > rejected along with the fraudulent orders. > > We truly apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you, however it is > a necessary step to insure our security and we will correct this situation > as soon as possible. > > If you have a monthly recurring charge on your credit card - that is not > with Pay Pal, please contact me immediately. If you have any questions or > concerns, please do not hesitate to email me. Thank you for your patience > with this concern. > > Gail Coba > Marketplace Operations > Natural Solutions Foundation - Dr. Rima Laibow > marketplaceinfo at gmail.com > > ------------------------ > > Unsubscribe: > http://www.demaction.org/dia/organizations/healthfreedomusa/unsubscribe.jsp > > Manage subscription: > http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/profile/login.jsp?redirect=%2Fo%2F568%2Fprofile%2Findex.jsp > > [image: Image removed by sender.] > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net > > http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 332 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ceasig at gmail.com Sun May 24 12:02:56 2009 From: ceasig at gmail.com (Centre For Ecological Audit, Social Inclusion & Governance) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:32:56 +0530 Subject: [GJM] Pope on Facebook In-Reply-To: <000f01c9db13$8ab3a3a0$a01aeae0$@net> References: <000f01c9db13$8ab3a3a0$a01aeae0$@net> Message-ID: <31f677a30905241102o5eea0097l7f8e2be654f8ea9d@mail.gmail.com> Dear Mary, Most of the time ,I believe that local carbon neutral measures and means are most important for all the change communication as in the long run we would not have energy intensive ICT for communicating. Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:58 AM, mary rose wrote: > If you think that Social Networking is not replacing traditional media > outlets, > > think again. > > > > Pope on Facebook in attempt to woo young believers > > > > *By Philip Pullella**Posted 2009/05/22 at 10:04 am EDT*** > > VATICAN CITY, May 22, 2009 (Reuters) ? You won't get an email saying Pope > Benedict added you as a > friend and you can't "poke" him or write on his wall, but the Vaticanis still keen to use the networking site > Facebook to woo young > people back to church. > > Read the rest of this article here: > > > > http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre54l3as-us-pope-facebook/ > > > > FutureDawning.org > > *Mary Rose* > dustysummerrose at gmail.com > > *Always have my latest info* > > *Want a signature like this?* > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net > > http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net > > -- Endeavoring for ecological safety ,social inclusion and distributive justice for the renewable resource based livelihoods and habitats, Centre For Ecological Audit, Social Inclusion and Governance (CEASIG) , an initiative of Labour League Foundation, Sewa and Sufi Trust , Delhi aims for socially inclusive and ecologically safe future for all through organizing and communicating fcarbon neutral neighborhood discussions/ consultations, building capacities in ecological audit, ecologically safe networking ,advocacy, interfaith dialogue & other related domains for multiplying personal, community , governmental and corporate actions for ecologically safe education, ecological audit ,and, ecologically safe and socially inclusive governance best practices Contact Details: 58-C,DDA Flats, Ashok Vihar-III, Delhi-110052 Phones: 9968345380,9210490942 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ceasig at gmail.com Mon May 25 06:57:58 2009 From: ceasig at gmail.com (Centre For Ecological Audit, Social Inclusion & Governance) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:27:58 +0530 Subject: [GJM] Getting Freezers out of our kitchensRe: FW: Dangers of BOTTLED Water and high heat environment Message-ID: <31f677a30905250557g4d16426aue227e32594b0e22f@mail.gmail.com> Why do we suggest energy intensive refrigirators/freezers as we have till recently been enjoying food without ice creams and eating well. my grandma never drank cold water. Earthen pot provides natural cooling. Water from well and ground water manual pumps has agreeble temperatures. I consider this to be a sign of the Almighty as we find water drawn from well / groud water punp cool in Summer and warm in winter. Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:54 PM, mary rose wrote: > This is very important, but I also want to add that dioxin is also found > in high concentrations in dairy products and beef as it tends to concentrate > in fat as revealed by John Robbins in his book: The Food Revolution. More > dioxin is found in one serving of Baskin-Robbins ice cream than is found in > effluent dumped as ?safe? waste into streams and rivers. Baskin and Robbins > ice cream was used for the test as it was deemed to be the most unlikely > source of contamination since Baskin-Robbins buys from small farmers who > least likely to use steroids and other drugs/chemicals on their cows. > > > > Recommendations are to ?eat lower on the food chain? as fruits and > vegetables contain the ?anti-oxidants? not > > found in meat and as well do not contain the high fat content. Eating raw > fruits and vegetables also provides one with the enzymes vital to good > health. (Information provided by both John Robbins and David Wolfe in > various books and articles). > > > > Freezing organically grown bananas and then putting them into the blender > with another organically-grown fruit and adding chocolate and or nuts in > different combinations can be a very delicious and nutritious substitute for > ice cream. > > > > *From:* Bob Taft [mailto:rbtaft at rtconnect.net] > *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:25 PM > *To:* Undisclosed-Recipient:; > *Subject:* Fw: Dangers of BOTTLED Water and high heat environment > > > > > > > Best regards,. > Bob Taft > The Taft Ranch > Upton, Wyoming > (307) 465-2206 > http://www.freedomclubusa.com/the_tun > http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=74897 > "We hang the petty thieves and appoint > the great ones to public office." Aesop > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* MichiMac > > *To:* Undisclosed-Recipient:; > > *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:20 PM > > *Subject:* Dangers of BOTTLED Water and high heat environment > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* M <2saint at comcast.net> > > > > very dangerous! > On the Ellen show, Sheryl Crow said this is what caused her breast cancer. > It has been identified as the most common cause of the high levels of dioxin > in breast cancer tissue. > Sheryl Crow's oncologist told her: > women should not drink bottled water that has been left in a car. > The heat reacts with the chemicals in the plastic of the bottle which > releases dioxin into the water. Dioxin is a toxin increasingly found in > breast cancer tissue. > So please be careful and do not drink bottled water that has been left in a > car. Pass this on to all the women in your life. > This information is the kind we need to know that just might save us! Use a > stainless steel canteen or a glass bottle instead of plastic! > LET EVERYONE WHO HAS A WIFE / GIRLFRIEND / > DAUGHTER KNOW PLEASE! > This information is also being circulated at Walter Reed Army Medical > Center > *No plastic containers in microwave. ** > No water bottles in freezer > No plastic wrap in microwave. * > A dioxin chem ical causes cancer, especially breast cancer. > Dioxins are highly poisonous to the cells of our bodies. > Don't freeze your plastic bottles with water in them as this releases > dioxins from the plastic. > Recently, Edward Fujimoto, Wellness Program Manager at Castle Hospital, was > on a TV program to explain this health hazard. > He talked about dioxins and how bad they are for us. > He said that *we should not be heating our food in the microwave using > plastic containers... ** > This especially applies as to foods that contain fat. * > *He said that the combination of fat, high heat, =2 0 and plastic releases > dioxin into the food and ultimately into the cells of the body... ** > Instead, he recommends using glass, such as Corning Ware, Pyrex or ceramic > containers for heating food? > *You get the same results, only without the dioxin.. > *So such things as TV dinners, instant ramen and soups, etc., should be > removed from the container and heated in something else.* > *Paper isn't bad but you don't know what is in the paper.* 0A > It's just safer to use tempered glass, Corning Ware, etc. > He reminded us that a while ago some of the fast food restaurants moved > away from the foam containers to paper. The dioxin problem is one of the > reasons... > *Also, he pointed out that plastic wrap, such as Saran wrap, is just as > dangerous when placed over foods to be cooked in the microwave. As the food > is nuked, the high heat causes poisonous toxins to actually melt out of the > plastic wrap and drip into the food. * > *Cover food with a paper towel instead.* > This is an article that should be sent to anyone important in your life! > ------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/24/09 > 07:09:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net > > http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net > > -- Endeavoring for ecological safety ,social inclusion and distributive justice for the renewable resource based livelihoods and habitats, Centre For Ecological Audit, Social Inclusion and Governance (CEASIG) , an initiative of Labour League Foundation, Sewa and Sufi Trust , Delhi aims for socially inclusive and ecologically safe future for all through organizing and communicating fcarbon neutral neighborhood discussions/ consultations, building capacities in ecological audit, ecologically safe networking ,advocacy, interfaith dialogue & other related domains for multiplying personal, community , governmental and corporate actions for ecologically safe education, ecological audit ,and, ecologically safe and socially inclusive governance best practices Contact Details: 58-C,DDA Flats, Ashok Vihar-III, Delhi-110052 Phones: 9968345380,9210490942 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ceasig at gmail.com Mon May 25 11:34:29 2009 From: ceasig at gmail.com (Centre For Ecological Audit, Social Inclusion & Governance) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:04:29 +0530 Subject: [GJM] FOR CLARIFICATION In-Reply-To: <001b01c9dbf3$7c4f2fb0$74ed8f10$@net> References: <001b01c9dbf3$7c4f2fb0$74ed8f10$@net> Message-ID: <31f677a30905251034hb5f312duc4023680ea962e48@mail.gmail.com> well said...it is better that the negaitive attributes with which the word zionism is associated is denounced. On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 3:41 AM, mary rose wrote: > Because I have mentioned Les Squires name in a message regarding some of > the things we are doing together, I want to make it clear that I have never > discussed with Les any issues related to anything I write here on the > Co-learner?s list. What I write about has strictly to do with the research > I have conducted for The Sacred Quest and I do not discuss this in other > circles except for the Extraterrestrial issue which I have brought out on > Facebook. > > > > My intent with ?sharing? here on the Co-learner?s list is just that ? a > desire to share what I have learned from 15 or more years of research with > information compiled from hundreds of books. During this period of time, I > cannot have helped but form some opinions. However, what I write is not > intended to impact anyone in a personal manner. The book is written from a > biological, cultural and social perspective which cannot help but contain > some historical data derived from both archaeological finds and recorded > documents including the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Sumerian Tablets. Due to > its content, what I write about is controversial just as was Brown?s book > ?The Da Vinci Code?. So, be it. And, if anyone wants to take what I write > personally, that is not my problem as it is not my intent for it to be an > indictment on a personal level, although I may fault ?systems? both human > and otherwise. > > > > I find it as ridiculous to be asked to stop referring to the Zionists who > call themselves Zionists as I would if Native Americans suddenly asked to > not be called Native Americans, or New Yorkers suddenly asked to not be > called New Yorkers. If the shoe doesn?t fit, then stop trying to put it on, > please. > > > > > > > > FutureDawning.org > > *Mary Rose* > dustysummerrose at gmail.com > > *Always have my latest info* > > *Want a signature like this?* > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net > > http://globaljusticemovement.net/mailman/listinfo/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net > > -- Endeavoring for ecological safety ,social inclusion and distributive justice for the renewable resource based livelihoods and habitats, Centre For Ecological Audit, Social Inclusion and Governance (CEASIG) , an initiative of Labour League Foundation, Sewa and Sufi Trust , Delhi aims for socially inclusive and ecologically safe future for all through organizing and communicating fcarbon neutral neighborhood discussions/ consultations, building capacities in ecological audit, ecologically safe networking ,advocacy, interfaith dialogue & other related domains for multiplying personal, community , governmental and corporate actions for ecologically safe education, ecological audit ,and, ecologically safe and socially inclusive governance best practices Contact Details: 58-C,DDA Flats, Ashok Vihar-III, Delhi-110052 Phones: 9968345380,9210490942 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maryrose333 at att.net Mon May 25 12:31:58 2009 From: maryrose333 at att.net (mary rose) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:31:58 -0700 Subject: [GJM] FW: Shifting World Consciousness and more with subtle energy vibrations Message-ID: <005801c9dd67$19fdc040$4df940c0$@net> Dear Mukhtar ? What I object to is the use of the terms ?Sufi? and ?Muslim,? or any other culturally related practice, as they indicate a cultural bias which may or may not be based in fact . There is a scientific/biological basis to meditation and prayer. And the result of this practice is inherent within each of us, but is influenced by ?intent?. Before I had the computer crash, I had written a scientifically-based dissertation on the practice of prayer and meditation. But it was lost in the crash and I have not had time to redo it, although it has been much on my mind in the past few days. What the scientific examination does is make the ?science of life? a universally understood practice that is inherent within all people. Which gets us out of the ?my God is better than your God? dilemma that is, and has been for centuries, the basis for disagreements that frequently end up in wars. Once we get the cultural baggage of religion separated out from what is the actual biological/physiological basis of human consciousness, then we can consciously manage our personal power (emotions) so we are creating ?life-enhancing actions? one-hundred percent of the time. Then we can have peace as everyone will be on the same playing field of understanding with comprehension of the natural laws inherent within the Implicate Order of the Universe. And what is inherent within the Universe is inherent within us because everything is the same. Everything is made of up subtle energy vibrations called ?energy fields? in scientific terms. The only difference is that individual things or being fields are coded differently dependent upon what their life?s mission or purpose is. The mission or purpose for a bird cage is to house birds ? remember that ?form follows function?. And, just as a bird house is coded, or constructed in a certain fashion, so is the human. Recall that Dr. Valerie V. Hunt?s research documented in ?Infinite Mind ? Science of the Human Vibrations of Consciousness? reveals that each individual has a ?signatory vibration pattern?. The difference between the bird house and the human is that the human can change their signatory vibration at will while the bird house cannot do this. And, one of the foremost people leading us in the direction of understanding ourselves and how we function in terms of biological/physiological science is cellular biologist Bruce Lipton. So, it would be well worth one?s time to be available for the presentation he is making as advertised in the SpiritCrossing announcement just sent around. I also understand that Wayne Dyer is introducing Bruce to the world in a 1-hour special on CBS (?) sometime in mid-summer. I hope this helps. m r From: discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net [mailto:discussion-bounces at globaljusticemovement.net] On Behalf Of Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:49 AM To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice Cc: Craig Hubley Subject: Re: [GJM] Shifting World Consciousness and more with subtle energy vibrations Dear Mary, I am reminded of the discussion in the millennium forum where Craig Hubley to my submission for adoption of prayer 5 times a day responded very positively and agreed that meditation and prayer is very important for best meditation by people in governance .Craig is facilitating Open Politics dialogue in Canada and has been involved with the Green Party there. He is very prolific in writing and perhaps the brightest among people who have been writing for interspecies justice and various other issues. Describing his work is quite difficult for me. He had been close to Sufis and has a very good understanding of Islam.I would like you add the the impact of Sufi practices in particular and Islamic practice of payer 5 times a day in general on the temporal and eternal wellbeing. The saints you mention having great impacts in the neighbourhood were indeed the friends of Allah/ the Creator of Universes, who was neither begotten nor beget. Islamic understanding of the Creator of universes is gender neutral. Implementation of commands is for