[GJM] Fw: No Contradictions In Quar'an /Contradictions in The Bible

[john A. Kudjo]

dear mary rose, 
 
thanks for your contribution and the sense of writing.
god bleess you.
 
john

--- On Thu, 29/5/08, mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net> wrote:

From: mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net>
Subject: [GJM] Fw: No Contradictions In Quar'an /Contradictions in The Bible
To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com, "Discussion Forum for Global Justice" <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
Date: Thursday, 29 May, 2008, 7:13 PM

Greetings for peace, Dear Dr. Alam,

It is nice that you have addressed me by both my first and middle name.

But, I am wondering,  .

Have you ever considered that it does no good for any of us to keep ranting
about  "My God is better than your God"?  That this has led to more
suffering and pain over the centuries than anything else. If you want to be
a Mulsim, then be a Muslim, I will still love you and care for you as part
of the Oneness of which we are as the human family and the universe as a
whole.

But please stop trying to push your belief system on me. Stop disrespeting 
me
by attempting to continually hammer me over the head with something that I
could not ever, as a well informed woman, believe in. It is obvious to me
that Islam is a literalist religion meant for men only, and women are truly
suppressed by it. .

Literalist religions use fear as their tool, and, of course, there is no
greater fear than the fear of death, except for God's promise of punishment
after death if one does not toe the Holy line.  And, in this sense,
Muhammad's theology is no different from that of Christianity, or Judaism,
which promises a wonderful afterlife if only one believes in HIM, whether
him be God, Jesus or Muhammud, and terrifying one with the horrors of Hell
if they don't. Whatever happened to the peacefulness of The Great Mother
religion which proceeded the religion of the GODs, which is all about HIM?

For instance, the Qur'an asserts: "Whoever desires a religion other
than
Islam in the next world he shall be among the losers."

Or how about::

"The unbelievers of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians and the
idolatoers shall be in the Fire of Hell, therein dwelling forever."

Or maybe this one:

"Surely those who disbelieve in Our signs--We{Allah} shall certainly toast
them in a fire. As often as their skins are wholly burned, We shall give
them in exchange other skins, that they may taste the punishment".

Yet, for those who are pious and follow Muhammad, Allah is compassionate
 (?) and promises those who do what they are told, that they will be 
admitted to
paradise. Again, let us read from the Qu'ran:

"Surely the pious shall be in bliss, upon couches gazing. You find in
their
faces shining bliss as they are offered to drink of wine sealed with musk"

Or, how about this one?  "Surely for the God-fearing awaits a place of
security, gardens and vineyards and maidens with swelling bosoms."

Other sayings give glowing details of ever- young "houris" -- that is
virgins, who will be available to all men in paradise:

    "An houri is a girl of tender age, having large rising breasts which
are
round and not inclined to dangle."

And the Qu'an goes on to detail how every man who enters paradise will be
given seventy-two of these houris.  Really!!  But not only that, at no
matter what age he dies, in paradise he will be like a thirty year old with
the virility of a hundred men. Really!!

And, while you continually go on about homosexuality, Dr. Alam, the Qu'ran
goes on to say:

"For those of a different sexual persuasion there are also
beautiful ever-young boys, "pretty like pearls" who wear silver
bangles."

Surely you jest, dear Mukhtar, when you suggest that as a woman who cares
for and respects herself, that I should be interested in joining a religion
designed to elevate the male ego and suppress the feminine, considering
us little more than courtesans.  .

I do however feel that the Muslim belief re: interest on money is something
that must be considered "in the best interests of all concerned." .

In a book published in 2005, entitled "The Laughing Jesus - Religious Lies
and Gnostic Wisdom," written by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy, and
endorsed
by Larry Dossey, M.D., author of "Reinventing Medicine" "Healing
Words,"
and "Be Careful What You Pray for You Might Just Get It,".who writes:

    "The Laughing Jesus" should be considered not only a good read,
although
it is, but also a matter of burning urgency, for this is one of the most
important books that has emerged in this infant millenium.,"

the authors ask the questions:

    What if the Old Testament is a work of fiction, Jesus never lived, and
Mohammud was a mobster?

    What if the Bible and the Qur'an:are works of political propaganda
created by. . .fundamentalists to justify the sort of religious violence we
are witnessing in the world today?

    What if there is something that could free us from the
'you-versus-them'
world created by religious ideology and make it possible for us to truly
love our neighbors--and even our enemies?

    What if it is possible to awaken to a profound state of oneness and
love, which the Gnostic Christians symbolized by the enigmatic figure of The
Laughing Jesus?

About the authors of The Laughing Jesus:

    Timothy Freke has an honors degree in philosophy and is the author of
more than 20 books on world spirituality, including "Lucid
Living.".He
lectures and runs experiential seminars throughout the world exploring
gnosis.  For more information see:  www.timothyfreke.com

Peter Gandy has an MA in Classical Civilization and is an internationally
respected authority on the ancient Pagan Mysteries and early Christianity.

Freke and Gandy ar the authors of five previous books, including the
international best seller "The Jesus Mysteries" and "Jesus and
the Lost
Goddess."

Gnosticsm is about waking up from the illusion of separateness to oneness
and love.
Literalism keeps us asleep in an "us versus them" world of division
and
conflict, inhabited by the 'chosen' and the 'damned'.

The below is taken from "The Laughing Jesus" p.7.

"Throughout history Gnostics have ceaselessly exposed Literalist religion
as
a pernicious source of ignorance, division and suffering.  This Gnostic
message has never been more relevant than today.  The three great religions
of the West--Judaism, Christianity and Islam -- are on a collision course
that threatens the security of the whole world.  Taking religious myths
seriously is the root cause of the problems in the Middle East. . . which
has led to a host of atrocities . . . .

The burning of Christians by Pagans as flaming torches to light their games.
The brutal Christian revenge of the Pagans.  The relentless persecution by
the Jews by Christians.  The violent expansion of the Muslim Empire and the
bloody conquest of India.  The barbaric crusade by Christians against the
Muslims.  The horrors of the Inquisition. The genocide of indigenous people
in the New World.  The mass burnings of witches.  All were motivated by the
desire to please God.  All were justified with reference to sacred texts
that not only condoned such behavior but demanded it.  These evils have not
occurred because the perpetrators were bad people, but becaue they were in
the grip of very bad ideas."  Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy - 2005

Isn't it time we stopped the insanity of religious literalism? Along the
path of Gnosis (knowledge) science offers us a path called "the new
biology,".which offers the truth of who we are from the smallest particle
to the study of the human body as a community of between 30 - 70 trillion
cells cooperatively working together. Who could ask for a better model?.

May I suggest for further information on how to get along as a world
community, reading "The Biology of Belief" by an
internationally-recognized
cellular biologist, Dr. Bruce H. Lipton.

For an even more graphic presentation may I suggest: "The New
Biology" on
DVD by Dr. Lipton. .

Let's cut the crap here, people.  We are all One big human family. And we 
are
all made from the dust of the Big Bang. And we all have been given 
intelligence,
so let's please use it and stop murdering one another due to cultural 
beliefs.

Let's work together cooperatively, using the neutral and authentic science 
of
biology as our guide, and not base our future on biased cultural belief 
systems.

Nothing less than the future of the human family depends on those of us who
are here and present today.

with love and in gratitude .

mary rose





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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam" <mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [GJM] No Contradictions In Qura'an /Contradictions in The
Bible


Dear Mary / Marguerite and all,

Greetings for peace,

Please see the reference to contradictions and several forms of
inconsistencies  in the Bible mentioned in the Holy Qur'n, a collection of
renewed message communited to Muhammad (PBUH) through Archangel Gabriel.

This has been noted by sholars of Islam and the Holy Qur'an. Dear Mary, I
called for reading of the Holy Qur'an throughly for this reason only.
Recently, I received a book on this too from Alexandria.

Dear Mary..Muslims do not beleive that God/Allah as a father or a mother..a
man or a woman...Please read more on this..rather than accepting
anthromorphic representations of the same. Jesus and all were mere
messengers only....

Mary, the mother of Jesus (peace be on her) is mentioned among the most
honorable and pious woman as Allah. talked to her..Please recall Jesus
talking in the cradle ..I have learnt all this from the Holy Qu'ran..the
source of best knwoeldge..I read Bible as well and am learning more on the
differences in the narrations.

Please see www.witness-pioneer.org for more references on the Holy Qur'an.
Internet makes it possible to have alook quickly. Please get rid of biases.
Making a wellinformed choice means learning thoroughly about the other.

Seeking guidance of Allah for communicating more correctly..with salam to
all messengers

Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam



--- On Wed, 28/5/08, mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net> wrote:

> From: mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net>
> Subject: [GJM] Contradictions In The Bible
> To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com, "Discussion Forum for Global
Justice"
> <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
> Date: Wednesday, 28 May, 2008, 10:45 PM
> This is a very interesting website in that it lists all of
> the contractions in the
> Bible, of which there are many.
>
> Now I must ask:  Did God want us to have all of these
> contradictions, Kathelee? If so, for what reason?  Perhaps
> so we could drive one another mad with them.  Let's
> please get a grip here and deal with reality .
>
> I am also in possession of a book written by a local man
> who went through the complete Bible comparing places, times
> and dates of events to times, places and dates as recorded
> in the Encyclopedia Britannica, and found no matches.
> What's going on here?
> .
> May I suggest that everyone read this website in its
> entirety and think about this.  Why are there so many
> contradictions if the Bible is "the word of God"?
>  Is God confused or a liar, or both?
>
>
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html
>
> Introduction to Contradictions
> The Bible is riddled with repetitions and contradictions,
> things that the Bible bangers would be quick to point out
> in anything that they want to criticize. For instance,
> Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about the order in which things
> are created, and how satisfied God is about the results of
> his labors. The flood story is really two interwoven
> stories that contradict each other on how many of each kind
> of animal are to be brought into the Ark--is it one pair
> each or seven pairs each of the "clean" ones? The
> Gospel of John disagrees with the other three Gospels on the
> activities of Jesus Christ (how long had he stayed in
> Jerusalem--a couple of days or a whole year?) and all four
> Gospels contradict each other on the details of Jesus
> Christ's last moments and resurrection. The Gospels of
> Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the genealogy of
> Jesus Christ's father; though both agree that Joseph
> was not his real father. Repetitions and contradictions are
> understandable for a hodgepodge collection of documents, but
> not for some carefully constructed treatise, reflecting a
> well-thought-out plan.
>
> Of the various methods I've seen to "explain"
> these:
>
> 1. "That is to be taken metaphorically" In other
> words, what is written is not what is meant. I find this
> entertaining, especially for those who decide what
> ISN'T to be taken as other than the absolute WORD OF
> GOD--which just happens to agree with the particular thing
> they happen to want...
>
> 2. "There was more there than...." This is used
> when one verse says "there was a" and another
> says "there was b," so they decide there was
> "a" AND "b"--which is said nowhere.
> This makes them happy, since it doesn't say there
> WASN'T "a+b." But it doesn't say there
> was "a+b+little green martians." This is often
> the same crowd that insists theirs is the ONLY possible
> interpretation (i.e. only "a") and the only way.
> I find it entertaining they they don't mind adding to
> verses.
>
> 3. "It has to be understood in context" I find
> this amusing because it comes from the same crowd that
> likes to push likewise extracted verses that support their
> particular view. Often it is just one of the verses in the
> contradictory set is suppose to be taken as THE TRUTH when
> if you add more to it it suddenly becomes "out of
> context." How many of you have gotten JUST John 3:16
> (taken out of all context) thrown up at you?
>
> 4. "there was just a copying/writing error" This
> is sometimes called a "transcription error," as
> in where one number was meant and an incorrect one was
> copied down. Or that what was "quoted" wasn't
> really what was said, but just what the author thought was
> said when he thought it was said. And that's
> right--I'm not disagreeing with events, I'm
> disagreeing with what is WRITTEN. Which is apparently
> agreed that it is incorrect. This is an amusing
> misdirection to the problem that the bible itself is wrong.
>
> 5. "That is a miracle." Naturally. That is why it
> is stated as fact.
>
> 6. "God works in mysterious ways" A useful dodge
> when the speaker doesn't understand the conflict
> between what the bible SAYS and what they WISH it said.
>
> For Contradictions listed one by one, click here.
>
>
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#contradictions
>
> And, for References click here:
>
>
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