[GJM] Fw: (Fwd) Heinberg on Oil and Politics - trying to talk sense into ostriches

[mary rose]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mary Nelson" <m_nelson at aperdat.com>
To: "'mary rose'" <maryrose333 at att.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 7:06 PM
Subject: RE: (Fwd) Heinberg on Oil and Politics - trying to talk sense into 
ostriches


> While many analyst's view "civilization" itself as the basic cause of our
> problems, in Richard's "A New Covenant with Nature" (1996), he describes
> "civilization" itself as a post-traumatic-stress-disease. And suggests
> looking at the way in which therapists threat addictions for an 
> appropriate
> response.
>
> IMHO Richard has as much insight into how to solve the problems as anyone,
> ourselves included. Needing to "reinvent the Human...." as Thomas Berry
> theorizes, does not say how. Because there are probably as many different
> ways as there are Humans. My contribution is to have compassion for folks
> who are trying, or being forced by circumstances, to awaken, and to 
> support
> their awakening with empathy and some real information to support them as
> they become able to receive new information/knowledge, whatever events 
> push
> their buttons. Plus, to understand as much as possible about how our
> Universe works. Because I feel deeply in my soul that, at least for me, 
> that
> path is the path, not necessarily out, but through, and not necessarily as 
> a
> survivor, but at least an enthusiastic sane participant.
>
> Speaking of "sane", have you had time to read on Carolyn Baker's
> site...."Beware of the Psychopath, My Son" by Clinton Callahan
> http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/485/ and associated links? Takes
> the discussion into another dimension and one that is very much, I think,
> very close to the ground we walk on. I'd love your "take" on them.
>
> Sincerely, MaryNelson

Dear Mary,  Thank you for this very important post, in which,.I feel,
you are very much correct -- this does bring us to the heart of the
matter, and when I saw the word "addiction" in Richard Heinberg's
article, was immediately impelled to take some action that would move
us forward in solving the problem.

How many times have I, in the course of dialog here on this list, written
with regard to the "sociopathic behavior" of society today? And mentioned
"addiction" as a factor in bringing us to where we presently are ? And, how
many times have I said that this is the reason so few are hearing what is
being said re: our present crisis.  Except for the few who understand the
field of psychosis, our behavior today is considered by most to be normal.

This paragraph which I excerpted from the article you mention:
...."Beware of the Psychopath, My Son" is indeed chilling as it should be to
any sane person, but the psychopath is also incapable of recognizing
his or herself.

"When you understand the true nature of psychopathic influence, that it is 
conscienceless, emotionless, selfish, cold and calculating, and devoid of 
any moral or ethical standards, you are horrified, but at the same time 
everything suddenly begins to makes sense. Our society is ever more soulless 
because the people who lead it and who set the example are soulless - they 
literally have no conscience."

But, I must point out, Mary, that it is just not our leaders who fit this 
profile.  If, we look at society carefully and at the corruption which 
invades it at every level, then we begin to recognize how many of us are 
sociopathic, for surely no sane person would be doing what many of us are 
doing.

With regard to Richard Heinberg, I have been including Richard Heinberg on 
the Co-learner's list for some time now, as I felt that we needed to enlarge 
our circle in order to have enough members with large enough circles of 
influence  to make an impact. And that we needed to develop a program to 
address the issue. I  have long been a admirer  Richard's work. So, included 
a comment and sent a cc:  Probably was remiss in not forwarding his reply to 
the list:  He wrote:

<Well, if anyone out there KNOWS how to solve these problems in ways
that I haven't been discussing for the past few years, I'd like to
hear about it. Seriously.
This is not a request for a lengthy exchange--I have too many demands
on my time for the foreseeable future to be able to commit to much of
a dialogue. But if I'm missing something, please inform me.>
Richard Heinberg>

Due to Richard's request not to have a lengthy exchange, I made a reply 
addressed only to him, feeling it best to bring Bruce Lipton in on this, 
and, since he was out of the country until after 29 May, further suggested 
we table any discussion until his return,  Also felt the best thing might be 
for Richard and Bruce to get together to disuss some sort of program 
re:human consciousness that addresses both psychosis and addiction and, 
which could be integrated into the Post Carbon Institute's already 
established network on relocalization and sustainability.

What I've understood since I began this, and have written about many times 
on the list, is that if we are to reverse the present trend and get to 
sustainable living practices, we must first heal the collective  psychosis 
of society, which has been defined by Ken Wilber, Jay Earley, and other 
noted psychologists as the "pathology of dissociation."  Meaning that we 
have become so distanced from our source, our life support system, as to 
have no cognition as to what is real and what is not in the modern world we 
have created.  And, due to our phychosis, we have created an artificial 
world (energy field)  based on money as being THE life support system 
instead of the natural world.

In the introduction to Suny Series in Constructive Postmodern Thought, which 
is incorporated into Dr. Jay Earley's book: "Transforming Human Culture - 
Social Evolution and the Planetary Crisis, ": David Ray Griffin, Series 
Editor for the Suny Series of which Earley's book is a part writes:

" 'Modernity,' rather than being regarded as the norm for human society 
toward which all history has been aiming
and into which all societies should be ushered --forcibly if necessary-- is 
instead increasingly seen as an aberration.
A new respect for the wisdom of traditional societies is growing as we 
realize that they have endured for thousands
of years and that, by contrast, the existence of modern society for even 
another century, seems doubtful,"

(And may I point out here that it is these indigenous societies that we are 
hell bent on destroying.,)

Griffin goes on to say that even though there have been antimodern movements 
in the past, the rapidity with which the
term 'post-modern' has become widespread indicates that the antimodern 
sentiment is more extensive and intense
than before, and that it includes the sense that modernity can be 
successfully overcome only by going beyond it, not by
trying to return to a premodern form of existence, but by going beyond it --  
by transcending it.

Joseph Chilton Pearce picks up on this in his book:  "The Biology of 
Transcendence". And, in order to avoid the mythology
of both religion and metaphysics, while getting  back to reality, then the 
science of biology as the underlying cause of human
consciousness is where we must go; for human biology.can be tested, measured 
and verified; thus presenting a solid basis from
which to move forward into the future.  We need to be crystal clear on this 
and determine what is, in fact, "fact" and what is "fiction."
A "faith-based" approach simply does not get it, for as Bruce Lipton is 
revealing in his research with cells, our actions are based
on our belief system.  And, if this belief system is wrong then it can lead 
us into all kinds of trouble, including destroying our own
environment.

To add more light to this, I had arrived at the conclusion as the the 
underlying cause of societies destructive behavior as attributalbe
to the pathology of dissociation, after reading some of Ken Wilber's many 
books on the subject of human consciousness. And from
my experience as a faciltator of therapy groups, directed toward the 
rehabilitation of drug addicts and alcoholics, back in the early 70's,
also recognized the addiction problem along with the immensity of the 
problem we were, and still are, facing.  And, having witten the
"Hands Across the Border: Operating Lifesave Proposal" to address the 
problem of forced migration from South to North, and having
it so warmly endorsed by two sitting presidents in Mexico, who acknowledged 
sustainable living practices to be the answer, I also
became.aware that this was also the answer to dissociation and the attendant 
problem of addiction. Addiction is never a "stand alone"
problem, it has an underlying basis, and that basis being a feeling of 
guild, emptiness, worthlessness or all three, with this emptiness
being a feeling of "pain". And, as many of you know, I have written many 
times with regard to drug addiction that we do not have a
drug problem, we have a pain problem. And the same holds true for 
over-consumption as we try to fill the hole in our middle with
"stuff," which only provides temporary relief until the "high" gained from 
it wears off, sending us off again in the search of the next
high, which can also be sex.

What I leaned from the HAB:OL project, was that we need spaces in 
communities where people can come together in small
groups to learn how to live within and manage their particular ecosystem, if 
they were to gain entry into the knowledge
of sustainable living.  In other words, the Earth is the best teacher, and 
by living close to the Earth and sharing collective
knowledge is  the best way for anyone to reconnect with their source in a 
first-hand learning experience, while being directly
associated with finding out who one really is in the face of little but 
nature and no status symbols.  One of the most
effective programs in youth rehabilitation, for those who have "been given 
up on" has been found to be wilderness programs,
where these renegade youth are placed into situations where modernity in any 
form is almost totally absent, and they become
dependent mainly upon their own creativity to survive these harrowing 
circumstances.

It is from this knowledge that I came up with the Community Learning and 
Information Center concept as a way of rehabilitating
ourselves in a group environment where friends and family provide for 
support. Change is always uncomfortable, whether it be
moving away from Mom and Dad, losing weight, stopping drugs and/or drinking, 
or giving up one's enculturated lifestyle based
mainly on consumption.  And having others to console and consort with during 
the transtion makes it easier to stay on track, which
is why groups like Weight Watchers are effective.

As most of you know, I studied for a short time with Dr. Vernon Woolf.  But 
we lost track of one another for almost ten years,
however, we were to connect about 4 years ago after he had returned from the 
former U.S.S.R. where he was most instrumental
in aiding in the transformation of that country from  a communist nation to 
a free enterprise nation.  What we discoveed in meeting
again was that we both held the same belief that the problem was mainly 
dissociation and addiction  And, while I had conceived of
healing in the form of Community Learning and Information Centers, Vern had 
conceived of what he called "Wellness" centers, but
with the process being almost the same -- using support groups to aid in 
facilitating the transition from disease to wellness.  I had
sought out Vern's assistance because I knew him to be so well-versed in the 
healing of addiction.  And, I have previously written
on this list with regard to his remarkable record in doing this. As just one 
example he took a group of 600 youth from being hard
core drug addicts in Utah to the point where they collectively turned down 
approximately $30 million worth of free drugs when the
Cartel attempted to lure their former distributors back into the fold. He 
did this under a federally-funded program, and went on to set
the same kind of record with juvenile youth in Nevada and Los Angeles, with 
the recidivism rate unprecedented.

My apologies for the length of this; however, I do believe that we must 
become "crystal clear" on these issues and how best to
resolve them. And therefore, we need to be very clear in presenting ideas 
for consideration. While unintended consequences
seem to be inevitable, let us try to insure that we know what we are doing 
before proceeding.  Let us not assume that putting
people in groups and fanipulating them with NLP is the answer -- it is the 
learning that is important.

Briefly, it is through a website, where we may provide access to tools for 
transformation, and as well link up sustainable living
groups, such as the Post Carbon Institute is already doing, that is, I 
believe, the best method as to how social transformation may
be accomplished if we are to do this in the short time left. We need to set 
up Co-learner's groups in Community Learning
and Information Centers, as well as in Wellness Centers, worldwide.  Through 
utilizing the Internet, and linking everyone together
through this new "human brain" we are creating, we can flip everyone 
simultaneously from disease to wellness, if we set the
system up correctly.  There are already millions of individuals and groups 
worldwide involved in practicing sustainable living
at some level, we need only to link these people together in committment and 
organization, and provide the necessary information
on human consciousness to bring us out of this dark age into the light.

Questions on this are very welcome. And, BTW, in the article "Beware the 
Psychopath, My Son" the author goes into how
the disease of insanity passes from generation to generation, and both Bruce 
Lipton and Vern Woolf have information on this.
So, we are extremely well prepared here to address any issues brought up 
related to the field of psychology.  I just wish that
somehow we could make Bruce Lipton's DVD's materials available to everyone 
as these graphic presentations make things
so clear that are not easily transmitted by text.  Which is the reason I am 
currently working to design and make Power Point
Presentations available. And, as well, we need to make presentations by 
Bruce, Vern, and others like Richard Heinberg,
available to everyone. We also need presentations by those working on the 
monetary system so that everything is crystal
clear to everyone.  And, of course, this is why I am also working on 
bringing together the Crystal Clearwater Alliance and
the Coherent Hearts Network. The first being involved with fund-raising for 
the design of educational materials directed
toward creating sustainable living communities, and the second toward 
evolving human consciousness and social intelligence.

I meant no disrespect to Richard Heinberg when I wrote that he did not have 
the solutions to the problem.

mary rose

I am holding the field for the fullest potential to unfold in these events 
now in the best interests of all concerned.

With love and in gratitude for all that we do together.

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