[GJM] Interest Free Money, and Binary Economics? Clarification Requested.

[robert searle]

--- Rodney Shakespeare
<rodney.shakespeare1 at btinternet.com> wrote:

> Dear Robert,
> I think you are way off the mark. 
> 
> 1.    Videos  are not completely suitable for much
> detail but, in any case, you will not have heard
> Robert Ashford or Norm Kurland advocating
> interest-bearing money for forms of productive
> capacity.  It is likely that you have misunderstood
> a sentence or two from Kurland in a video.  But why
> don't you ask him yourself?  -- thirdway at cesj.org 

Reply. I am sure you are right here Rodney.  
>       
> 
>  Moreover, all the latest developments in binary
> economics are to be found in  Seven Steps to Justice
> and The Modern Universal Paradigm and, in
> particular,  by far the best internet website on
> binary economics and its developments is
> www.binaryeconomics.net where the uses of
> interest-free loans are as clearly set out as far as
> it is possible to clearly set things out on the
> internet.  Do a Google and the website comes out at
> the top (when I do a Google) and, also, the Google
> administrators are now kindly promoting this 
> website by selecting a page from the website and
> putting it up separately (at the moment,  it is the
> Links page but the Environment, Present, History and
> Loans have also been separately done and the pages
> are being periodically rotated).  The separate page
> generally comes up second or so.


Reply. I am well aware of your excellent website, and
the google ranking ofcourse. My own site will also be
highly professional when it is set up in a few years
time. The existing essays on TFE would also be removed
by then as they are not the "final" word on the
subject. I have already explained all this somewhere
in my posts. 

Anyway, the projected TFE website would also notably
include commissioned papers by willing economists on
the mechanics of Transfinancial Economics, and
recommendations where necessary for improvement
(infact, an on-line academic journal could be created
too). This will add some credibility to the subject
along with campaign news, endorsements,links, et al.


> 
> Also, internet articles on binary economics are now
> much more numerous.
> 
> And why not visit the Norm Kurland's  extensive
> website on binary economics?  www.cesj.org  And
> Ashford's papers are also on the internet.
> 
> 2. I am puzzled by your saying that interest-free
> reform is unlikely.  Your meaning is ambigous. Are
> you saying that  you think that debt-free, 'printed'
> money is the more likely reform possibility?


> 
> Or are you saying that it is impossible ever to get
> interest-free reform?
> 
> On this matter Peter Challen recently met Bernard
> Lietaer who was shown some text (roughly reflecting
> the position in Seven Steps to Justice).  Bernard
> said the text is technically correct but (to the
> effect) that the present inertia and forces are such
> that such reform will never happen (which is why he
> is concentrating on complementary currencies).  Is
> this what you mean?


Reply. Yes, this is what I mean. But the same could
also be said for debt-free money unless there is some
kind of greater PROFIT MOTIVE which would harness the
present capitalist system into action to save the
world. 

Anyway, let us leave it at that for now.

R.Searle

http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Transfinancial_Economics


> 
> Incidentally Bernard's position is the same as he
> stated to Peter and I in Kuala Lumpur in 2002 BUT 
> he is acutely aware of the present world situation,
> expects big developments and he kindly agreed to
> consider certain matters that Peter put to him.
> 
> Rodney
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "robert searle" <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:04 PM
> Subject: [GJM] Interest Free Money,and Binary
> Economics? Clarification Requested.
> 
> 
> > 
> > Dear All...notably Rodney Shakespeare,
> > 
> > 
> > Having seen most of the Robert Ashford videos on
> > Binary Economics, and related topics on Paula
> Glorias 
> > "shows" I have heard virtually nothing about
> interest
> > free money. I do not know whether it is me, or
> > not...but Ashford seems to have avoided the
> subject
> > altogether. 
> > 
> > I know that it was part of the original BE
> paradigm as
> > promulgated by Kelso but it appears to have been
> > dropped like a hot potato...the reason being
> ofcourse
> > that interest free monetary reform is unlikely to
> > become a reality at least for the foreseeable
> > future...
> > 
> > I remember too Kurland on a video saying that CESJ
> was
> > always on the lookout for the cheapest loans
> > presumably to fund ESOPS but not a word about the
> > possibility of interest free money in any shape or
> > form.....Presumably, most, or perhaps a small part
> of
> > CESJ is not really concerned about this matter.
> > 
> > Robert Searle
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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