[GJM] Fw: V.G. Elizabeth Warren presentation on debt

[mary rose]

Dear Steve, this is well put.

with love and gratitude for all that you do, and all that we do together.

mary rose

We must be the change we wish to see in our lives.  M. Gandhi

For some reason, I did not receive this message from Curtiss, which
I also feel is appropriate; however, I do suspect that the elite are making
profits out of the miseries bestowed upon the rest of us. For example
look at how many are making profits out of the commodities markets
right now.  You know they have rigged the system so that it works
both ways for them.  Like going to Las Vegas, while it may be fun to
gamble and feel you might win, but knowing that in the end, the house
always wins.

It seems to me that the only way is for us, is to opt out of the system as
far as possible on an individual basis. Moving into permaculture and
growing our own food goes a long way in that direction if it is accompanied
by using a local currency in conjunction with it. And the circumstances
that have been set up and are in play are forcing us into taking this 
position
anyway.

Even those who are forced into a position of still working for the corps, 
can
direct the money they receive with soul, not buyiing into and buying 
products
produced by the system.  As people need to gain income they will turn to
making hand-crafted items of a high quality.  So, better to turn to 
purchasing
these kinds of items and buying less, rather than buying either corporate
manufactured products, or imports from China and elsewhere.  The imports
from China are such crap. Nothing I've purchased works, and I'm afraid of
the chemicals in the food being shipped in.     .    .

with love and in gratitude to you also, Curtiss, for all that you do and
for all that we do together.

Now read Steve's original message in response to Curtiss.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Nieman" <stevenieman at mac.com>
To: "Discussion Forum for Global Justice" 
<discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: [GJM] V.G. Elizabeth Warren presentation on debt


> This is the self-balancing Reality built into Life somehow.  I don't
> know where it came from, but it exists.  Anyone who thinks they can
> *game* the system, or take some kind of special advantage over
> everyone else doesn't understand what Mr. Priest just wrote on his
> last post.  We are all hooked together.  What I do affects everybody;
> what anybody does affects me.
>
> Real wealth can only be enjoyed when EVERYONE partakes in the fruit
> of wealth.  So, obviously, we're working to update human systems and
> institutions so that they reflect this Tao of Life, which is highly
> intelligent.
>
> Regards,
> Steve Nieman
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> On Jun 20, 2008, at 5:56 AM, W. Curtiss Priest wrote:
>
>> Good discussions!
>>
>> History shows that every major economic decline is preceded
>> by a growing division between the wealthy and everyone else.
>>
>> What is insidious about this is how short-sighted "the wealthy"
>> are.
>>
>> By robbing everyone else, pushing others into ever greater debt
>> so that their:
>>
>> 1.  wages do not keep up with the greater number of
>> goods and services provided via increased
>> (labor) productivity -- so they resort to
>> "negative savings" to compensate
>>
>> 2.  killing the goose -- the wealthy, while they can
>> retain some of their wealth via methods I
>> have described to protect against a plunging
>> dollar, require that "the rest" continue to
>> purchase goods and services that line their
>> pockets with excess profits!  Then comes
>> a time when the "consumer" -- the 66% buying
>> force that "supports the US economy" -- can't
>> buy any more.  They get foreclosed upon, encur
>> huge credit card fees as they fail to make
>> timely payments, can no longer get loans (frightened
>> banks -- finally), and so cannot borrow for
>> neither house, vehicle, or other large ticket
>> items
>>
>> ... they kill off their revenue streams.
>
>
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