[GJM] Fw: Thanet Earth, the Giant Hydroponic Greenhouse....

[robert searle]

--- On Thu, 12/6/08, mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net> wrote:

> From: mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net>
> Subject: [GJM] Fw:  Thanet Earth, the Giant Hydroponic Greenhouse....
> To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com, "Discussion Forum for Global Justice" <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
> Date: Thursday, 12 June, 2008, 10:44 PM
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "robert searle" <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:34 AM
> Subject: [GJM] Thanet Earth, the Giant Hydroponic
> Greenhouse....
> 
> 
>  --- On Thu, 12/6/08, dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk
> <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>  From: dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: A dailymail.co.uk article from Robert Searle
> To:
>  Date: Thursday, 12 June, 2008, 12:28 PM
> 
>  This giant hydroponic greenhouse it is argued is
> sustainable. With TFE more projects like this could be
> financed in full, or in part thus hastening human progress.
> 
>  I know its unfashionble to say this but I do believe in
> the need of safe, 
> and sustainable "tech-no" fixes as opposed to
> this growing but 
> understandable obsession with self-sufficienty, and
> "small is beautiful!"
> 
> R.Searle



 Dear Mary Rose,

            I agree largely with what you say. But this can be seen as an advanced evolutionary stage which HUMANITY IS NOT READY FOR. This is why Transfinanial Economics is so important because it recognizes the fact that we live in a full-blooded CAPITALIST SYSTEM whether we like it, or not, and offers a way out of the present predicament. 

Moreover, I am not that NAIVE, or obtuse enough to realize that what you indicate is to a certain extent an unrealistic proposal. Ofcourse, it would be a different matter if everyone actually followed "New" Economics to the letter in their daily lives. 

I also appreciate your sentiments about independence, and self-sufficiency but such thinking is not going to save millions of children starving to death each year unless we have introduced something which deal with the present unjust macro-economic situation. 

There is only one real way to deal with the above effectively, and that ofcourse is TFE. 


R.Searle.


> 
> Comment from Mary Rose:  Robert, it is my opinion that in
> order for their to 
> be Global Justice, that no one should have to be dependent
> upon any one else 
> for their food supply. The commericialization and
> commodification of our 
> food supply, which constitutes putting control in the hands
> of a few has not 
> worked in the past and will not work even in a green
> configuration.
> 
> What we are talking about here is "ownership" and
> everyone should be 
> involved in ownership of the food supply so that
> commodities markets cannot 
> exist which put the food supply into the hands of
> "commodity traders" as is 
> happening now and driving the price sky high so taht a few
> make money off of 
> the system. Naughty, naughty. .
> 
> This Earth was provided for all of us with no one human or
> animal having 
> more rights than any other over its bounty. When resources
> are allocated 
> with "fair share for all," then justice is
> served. When resources are 
> misallocated it is not. And, we ALL have been given the
> responsibility to 
> serve as "Earth Stewards" and ensure that ALL are
> included in fair share, 
> and, as well to ensure that in allocating fair share today
> we ensure that 
> there will be fair share for future generations.
> 
> What works is if small communities, no more than 250 - 600
> people own the 
> resources of the community, and have enacted CC&Rs to
> ensure that the Earth 
> is taken care of, and eco-systems are maintained in peak
> operating condition 
> so that maximum carrying capacity can be met without
> stressing the system. 
> In this instance, a giant hydroponic greenhouse would be
> appropriate as it 
> would be owned by all those residing in the community and
> ensure that fair 
> share was distributed equitably. And, that once the needs
> of the community 
> were satisified, if market conditions were appropriate
> (beneficial to the 
> community) then any "excess produce" could be
> sold into the market.
> However, if any other community was found to be lacking in
> sufficient 
> produce to meet the needs of that community, then any
> excess produce would 
> be sent to that community so that ALL may be fed.
> 
> Linked via the Internet with continual updates as to status
> of each 
> community made weekly, any needs could be met immediately
> and prior to any 
> crisis arising.
> 
> As I have noted previously, research shows that in order
> for a group to be 
> "self-organizing and managing" no more than 250 -
> 600 participants be 
> involved.  Resource:  Am not sure of this, but think it is:
>  Jared Diamond, 
> author of "Guns, Germs, and Steel."  Diamond has
> written a tremdous amount 
> on "self-organization" and his work is well
> recognized as he is a Pulitzer 
> Prize winner.
> http://www.pulitzer.org/year/1998/general-non-fiction/works/
> 
> I have read his "Guns, Germs, and Steel" before,
> but it is on my "reread" 
> list as it contains so much information which connects
> his/herstory and 
> biology, and his new book "Collapse" is also on
> my "to read" list.
> 
> With love and in gratitude, Robert for all that you do, and
> all that we do 
> together. (See link below.)
> 
> mary rose       .  .    .
> 
> Robert:
>   Hopefully the relevant link below may work.
> 
> 
> Welcome to Thanet Earth: The biggest greenhouse in Britain
> unveiled
> 
> You've heard of the factory chicken. Now meet the
> factory vegetable. Grown in their millions in trays of
> nutrient-enriched water inside a heated, artificially-lit
> greenhouse large enough to house ten football pitches, they
> are as far as you can get from 'natural' home-grown
> food.
> 
>  Full Story:
> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1025689/Welcome-Thanet-Earth-The-biggest-greenhouse-Britain-unveiled.html
> 12 June 2008 www.dailymail.co.uk
> 
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