[GJM] [socialcredit] Social Credit and Anti-Semitism

[robert searle]

Dear All,

         This may be of interest from the elistas of the Social Credit forum. As far as Transfinancial Economics is concerned it is not anti-semitic as it can allow banks to flourish as never before. The reason in part is because they would be paid for their abilities to directly control inflation on a daily 7/24 hour basis. Personally, I think it is waste of time trying to reform the banking system on moral grounds, and I think we should accept this. However, as explained in TFE interest free loans would still be possible. And yet the banks could still make loads of dosh!

The most important issue of our time is whether we can harness the present capitalist system into something which can end environmental degradation, and poverty on a global scale. With powerful profit incentives created via the transmission of new money this would be likely otherwise the process will be a painfully slow, and difficult.

I believe that for the survival of the race we will probably need to "play with the big boys" or else we are possibly heading for disaster on a huge scale. The success of TFE is in the interest of the rich, and super-rich, as as well as the poor, and indeed for global justice itself.  

Robert Searle


           http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Transfinancial_Economics




--- On Wed, 11/6/08, william_b_ryan at yahoo.com <william_b_ryan at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: william_b_ryan at yahoo.com <william_b_ryan at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [socialcredit] Social Credit and Anti-Semitism
> To: socialcredit at elistas.com
> Date: Wednesday, 11 June, 2008, 8:45 PM
> This is a recent revision to the excellent article
> that we discussed earlier, which now includes the
> discussion of Social Credit and anti-semitism appended
> below.  I would like to see it expanded somewhat, with
> something about Ezra Pound, who was closely allied to
> Italian fascism, to the extent of broadcasting
> anti-semitic rants during the Second World War from
> Rome radio, which caused him to be charged with
> treason after the war.  The criminal charges were
> dropped and ultimately he was committed to a mental
> institution.  I would like to see the article further
> expanded by discussing conspiracy theory in general as
> it relates to Social Credit, particularly how it
> derives from nineteenth century anti-banker
> Greenbacker propaganda.
> 
> One small correction to the text:  Janine Stingel's
> book is titled "Social Discredit..." not
> "Social
> Credit..."
> 
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Social_Credit/Sandbox
> 
> David Kendall
> 
> Social Credit and Anti-Semitism
> 
> Social Crediters, and Douglas himself, have been
> criticized for spreading anti-semitism. While it is
> true that Douglas was critical of international Jewry,
> especially in his later writings, his criticisms were
> based upon Jewish philosophy, not Jews as a race. His
> criticisms were based upon philosophical differences
> between Christian doctrines of incarnation and
> salvation through grace, and Judeo doctrines of
> legalism and salvation through works: “It is not too
> much to say that one of the root ideas through which
> Christianity comes into conflict with the conceptions
> of the Old Testament and the ideals of the
> pre-Christians era, is in respect of this dethronement
> of abstractionism.”[43]
> 
> Social Credit is generally opposed to abstractionist
> philosophies, as Douglas believed these philosophies
> inevitably led to the elevation of abstractions, such
> as state over individuals. He also believed that
> Jewish abstractionist thought tended to lead them to
> communist ideals and the emphasis of the group over
> the individual. “Anti-Semitism of the Douglas kind, if
> it can be called anti-Semitism at all, may be
> fantastic, may be dangerous even, in that it may be
> twisted into a dreadful form, but it is not itself
> vicious nor evil.”[44]
> 
> In her book, *Social Credit: Anti-Semitism, Social
> Credit and the Jewish Response*, Janine Stingel
> claims, “Douglas's economic and political doctrines
> were wholly dependent on an anti-Semitic conspiracy
> theory". [citation needed] If Douglas’s A+B theorem
> was based upon “anti-semitic conspiracy theory”, this
> claim might be valid. But the A+B theorem is based
> upon an analysis of prices and incomes and their
> relation to cost accounting. While some of Douglas’s
> statements about Jews, especially in relation to the
> spurious document known as "The Protocols of the
> Learned Elders of Zion" have caused numerous attacks
> on the entire movement, claims that his works wholly
> based upon anti-semitic conspiracy theory is entirely
> false. "It must also be noted that while Douglas was
> critical of some aspects of Jewish thought, Douglas
> did not seek to discriminate against Jews as people.
> It was never suggested that the National Dividend be
> withheld from them.[44]
> 
> 
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