[GJM] Fw: The Commons (was: Billions Of deaths after atheistic anti-Catholic church enlightenment)
mary rose
maryrose333 at att.net
Sun Jun 8 15:46:22 MDT 2008
Dear Dr. Alam, Greetings for Peace.
You write in part: "Mary appears to attacking men and women upholding piety always."
My position, first and foremost is to be of service to humanity in finding a way forward through this unprecedented never-before- in- recorded
human history time of grave crisis, and not to attack anyone, but to present data from as much of an unbiased viewpoint as possible. If
what I present disagrees with your viewpoint, that is your problem, not mine. . .
And, in so doing, in my committment to my mission in life, feel that I, myself must "remove as many culturally- biased barriars," and dump
as much "cultural baggage" as possible, in order to view things from as much of a "holodynamic-oriented view," and in an objective a way as
possible. I have been trained to do this by conscious choice. And, I find that the clarity offered by science in this respect is most helpful. While
there are those who attempt to obscure authentic scientific findings in order to promote their own biased view, science itself is pretty straight
forward, although at times difficult to understand, particularly if one is not familiar with the language. I also prefer an atheistic view which rids
me of much of the cultural baggage associated with religion, and which could not only obscure the truth, but bias my view of things in such
a way as to be unfair to others. . .
However, whenever I do present anything from a scientific or unbiased point of view, Dr. Alam, you continually insist that I must not do this and
take it upon yourself to instruct me that I must firs read the Qu'ran and consult with Allah. I find this to be most offensive as well as disrespetful.
And, I am most appreciative of Colonel Aggarwala's efforts in pointing this out.
It is my hope that we may continue to work together on sustainable issues, and, in a partnership way.without this continual attempt to force me
into reading the Qu'ran and consulting Allah so that I may become aware of my erroring ways, in your eyes. .
You bring much to the table with your knowledge on sustainable issues and your hard work. May we continue, as two very talented people to learn
together how to make this a better world. .
with love and in gratitude for all that you do, and for all that we do together.
mary rose
we must be the change we wish to see in our lives.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
To: Rajendra Aggarwala
Cc: Discussion Forum for Global Justice ; mary rose
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [GJM] Billions Of deaths after atheistic anti-Catholic church enlightenment
Resepcted Aggrawala saheb,
Indeed various linguistic traditions have names for the Almighty.. Allah is an Arabic word Al + lah...Elahom is referred in Arbac.. Om..in Sanskrit...so on..distinct from men and women like us who got the
mission and got famous for theirs deeds..
I have referred to interfaith common in the attached paper. I would like your leisurely attention and comments..Mary appears to attacking men and women upholding piety always..I wished to note the wars
that devoured millions in 20th century..that were launched by atheistic neo-liberal and atheistic communists for the establishment of strucutures of justice..we still have them. We need united framework for
global unity..I would like you to have a look at http://muhammad_mukhtar_alam.tigblog.org
Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
Delhi
--- On Sat, 7/6/08, Rajendra Aggarwala <raggarwala at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Rajendra Aggarwala <raggarwala at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GJM] Billions Of deaths after atheistic anti-Catholic church enlightenment
To: mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com, "Discussion Forum for Global Justice" <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
Cc: "Col Rajendra Kumar Aggarwala" <raggarwala at yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, 7 June, 2008, 10:54 AM
Why commands of "Allah" Dr. Alam? More than three fourth of the world does'nt believe in "Allah"; they call him(their God) by different names. You seemed to have missed completely the main point made by
Mary Rose and others, Dr Alam. Havn't you?
Col.(ret) R. Aggarwala
University Faculty(ret),
USA
"Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam" <mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
wars have been there and now it is the turn of neo-liberal atheists who are destroying Earth ( through promoting ecologically hostile energy intensive leisure engagements, looting people through usurious
finance system, devoruiong children,selling the body of women,throwing out elderly..we need one governance protocol..in abidance to the commands of Allah
--- On Fri, 6/6/08, mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net> wrote:
From: mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net>
Subject: [GJM] Fw: Religions Have Caused Millions Of Deaths And Most Are Myths
To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com, "Discussion Forum for Global Justice" <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
Date: Friday, 6 June, 2008, 6:11 PM
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Fisher
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: Religions Have Caused Millions Of Deaths And Most Are Myths
Updated
http://youtube.com/watch?v=R_yVxv0I1_I
Dear Jeff,
I refuse to get involved with politics as in my opinion, it is a swamp filled with alligators in which there are no winners.
I feel a real need to direct my energy in ways that are most productive and not get lost in the swamps.
The political scene today is controlled by big money/corporate interests in the form of the Trilateral Commission, The Bilderberger, and the Council on Foreign Relations along with a similar group in England. The elections today are mainly held to make people feel they have some say-so in electing a president and thus in the running of the country, but only the big money interests have enough cash available to pay the fees necessary to get a candidate on the ballot and to control the media in order to put out enough propaganda to persuade the public to vote for one of them. The real clue to all of this is the information that all presidents of the U.S. since the time of George Washington have been related to one another -- they are descendents of the same blood lines, and that includes presidents from all parties. . .
Elections, from my perspective are largely held as a distraction to keep people from learning the truth and perhaps organizing on their own and throwing the whole kit and kaboodle out of office and instituting a system that is more inclusive in representation. And, when I speak about representation, my first concern is that Mother Earth have first voice. After all, She is our life support system and if we destroy the ecology of this system then we are definitely out of here as the human family.
Yet, for thousands of years, we have been acting as "takers" from our life support system without giving anything back. And, if you think of the Earth's system in terms of it being a bank account and one keeps withdrawing without putting any thing back in then sooner or later one becomes bankrupt. At the same time I'm saying this, I also want to add that sooner or later the human family will learn to photosynthesize its food in the same way plants do; however, we aren't there yet and need to rely upon topsoil for sustenance.
One of the things that appears to be destructive, again "from my perspective", is our concept of work as "jobs" in order to "get money" on which to live. There is a demand for the "right to work". However if work is only designed to rape the Earth of its healthy balanced state in order for the human family to live on it without putting anything back, doesn't this turn into a kind of "shallow meaningless existence" where sooner or later everyone becomes addicted to something or other trying to fill up the hole in their soul left by a meaninglessness existance. Doesn't this look something like the state of society today?
And, one of the things people need to do when evaluating what scientists are saying about global warming is to find out who is paying for the scientific studies. Is it big business?
In checking out the U-Tube video above, I ran into the following one which I feel is most interesting.
The Most Terrifying Video You Will Ever See
http://www.glumbert.com/media/global
with love and gratitude for all that you do, Jeff, and for all that we may do together.
mary rose . . . . . .
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Jack Lancaster <jacklancaster at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert searle"
To: "Discussion Forum for Global Justice"
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: [GJM] Fw: Fw: Is God Dead? Response by Peter Challen and
futhercomment by Mary Rose
> Dear All,
>
>
> I think the core values of any "new" emerging global political
> ideology should be the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. This is the
> basis of civilized behaviour, and should always be upheld where possible.
> In other words, Positive Human Politics, or PHP which is neither right, or
> left wing but also ofcourse allows representative, or even "direct"
> democracy to exist within an open society.
>
> Moreover, religion at the end of the day is a personal matter, and
> everyone has the basic human right to believe in whatever one chooses.It
> would be wise to leave this subject, and concentrate on social, economic,
> and political issues especially monetary reform.
R.Searle
Robert, I very much disagree with you because, as we are learning, some
belief systems can do tremendous damage to others as well as those who
blindly believe in them themselves. Particularly when these systems may be
designed to manipulate people for political gain. And, those who want to
manipulate others using religion promote the idea that religion is a "sacred
cow," and should never be discussed intelligently. Instead of sweeping this
under the covers, it is a subject that needs to be discussed so that new and
relevant information can be brought into view, so that all of us may make
more informed and intelligent decisions that 'do no harm.'
So, let's bring religion out of the dark and into the light, if it is
designed with integrity, it will not suffer from examination. .
with love and in gratitude for all that you do, Robert, and all that we do
together...
mary rose .
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