[GJM] Fw: Fw: Religions Have Caused Millions Of Deaths And Most AreMyths
robert searle
dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk
Sun Jun 8 04:27:29 MDT 2008
Mary Rose,
Thank you for your response, but I think I have explained enough for now in my previous emails.
R.Searle
--- On Sun, 8/6/08, mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net> wrote:
> From: mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net>
> Subject: [GJM] Fw: Fw: Religions Have Caused Millions Of Deaths And Most AreMyths
> To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com, "Discussion Forum for Global Justice" <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
> Date: Sunday, 8 June, 2008, 11:12 AM
> mary rose: I will intersperse my comments below:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "robert searle" <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "Discussion Forum for Global Justice"
> <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [GJM] Fw: Religions Have Caused Millions Of
> Deaths And Most
> AreMyths
>
>
> Dear Mary Rose,
>
> It is best to leave mainstream religion well
> alone. I do think that
> the CESJ using God as its core value is rediculous, and
> wrong.We live in a
> secular society and people can believe what they want. It
> does not matter
> whether it is right, or wrong as long as it does not harm
> people mentally,
> and/or physically(eg.fanaticism, and terrorism).
>
> Moreover you can have a high "moral" society
> without bringing any religion
> into the picture (eg. mainstream humanism ofcourse). This
> seems to me the
> most sensible approach for the time being at least until we
> have a more
> objective, and scientific comphrension of all things
> spiritual, and
> philosophic.
>
> mary rose: What I am attempting to bring to this
> discussion is "a more
> objective, and scientific comphrension of all things
> spiritual, and
> philosophic". What you do not seem to realize, perhaps
> because you yourself
> are not there yet, is that THERE ARE increasing numbers of
> internationally-recognized scientists, as well as
> increasingly significant
> numbers of lay people, who comprehend the scientific basis
> of spiritual
> reality. I discount philosophy for the simple reason that
> it is based on
> theory only and is more of a mind game than anything having
> to do with the
> real world. However, having said that, I must add that
> philosophical theory
> differs from the theory of physics which is mainly
> mathematical theory, but
> then the Universe itself is a mathematical construct when
> viewed from the
> standpoint of some highly informed physicists such as Roger
> Penrose, or say,
> Einstein, or Richard Feynman, for example. .
>
> Obviously, religion per se has caused alot of problems in
> the world. This
> is notably true of Christianity. However, it has ALSO
> achieved alot of good
> too(eg. encouraged learning, and social work). Islam itself
> has also been
> noted for its more civilizing qualities though certain
> aspects of its sharia
> law are clearly backward, and babaric.
>
> mary rose: Robert, I find that you speak in generalities
> here and feel it
> would be much more beneficial if you would be specific
> about things. My
> contention is and will continue to be that religion is ill
> prepared to
> address the social ills of the world today, particularly
> when compared to
> the "new science" in the applied fields of
> biology and specifically related
> to human consciousness.. A field which may be broken down
> into sub-fields
> such as: "neurobiology,"
> "neurocardiology," and "epigenetics.".
> Fields which
> apply specifically to how human consciousness emanates from
> the
> biological/physiological constructs of the human body. The
> fields of "new
> biology" or "new science" is fast emerging
> due to new instrumentation which
> provides the ability to visually see what takes place at
> the quantum level.
> For instance, Dr. Bruce Lipton writes in his book:
> "The Biology of Belief"
> with regard to looking at a book one is holding through the
> lens of an
> atomic microscope and observing that what one is holding
> viewed from that
> perspective is "nothing.." Things appear in the
> form of matter due to the
> manner in which our visual sense is constructed. Much of
> the new and more
> powerful instrumentation emerged from necessity when NASA
> ventured into
> outer space and needed to record the physical aspects of
> astronauts from
> this perspective. .
>
> As for "intelligent discussion" on the above this
> ofcourse is already
> happening without you, or me! Many people are trying to
> build bridges
> between different faiths (ie ecumencism/interfaith
> dialogue). This surely is
> a good thing, but I do not want to expand further on this
> if possible. I am
> more concerned with monetary reform at the moment, and this
> is what this
> Discussion Group is about in the main along with other
> social, economic, and
> political issues.
>
> mary rose: I do believe that religion falls into the same
> category as do
> "economic" and "political" issues"
> as all are sub-systems of the greater
> "Social System" itself, and therefore do not
> understand why you insist on
> excluding it.
>
> I would be grateful if you could kindly concentrate on this
> more. I am sure
> you know there are plenty of other Discussion Groups which
> deal with
> religious subject matter.
>
> mary rose: And I would be grateful, Robert, if you would
> become a little
> more informed on these things. in order that we might have
> more of an
> informed and intelligent discussion on matters of critical
> importance to the
> well-being of ALL concerned at the Universal level, since
> we are talking
> about nothing less than the possible demise of the human
> family as we are
> already experiencing the sixth largest extinction of
> species ever recorded.
> .
>
> with love and in gratitude, Robert for all that you do, and
> all that we do
> together.
>
>
> R.Searle.
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 6/6/08, mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net>
> wrote:
>
> From: mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net>
> Subject: [GJM] Fw: Religions Have Caused Millions Of Deaths
> And Most Are
> Myths
> >> To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com, "Discussion Forum
> for Global Justice"
> >> <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
> >> Date: Friday, 6 June, 2008, 1:41 PM
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Jeff Fisher
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:06 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Religions Have Caused Millions Of
> Deaths And
> >> Most Are Myths
> >>
> >>
> >> Updated
> >>
> >> http://youtube.com/watch?v=R_yVxv0I1_I
> >>
> >> Dear Jeff,
> >>
> >> I refuse to get involved with politics as in my
> opinion, it
> >> is a swamp filled with alligators in which there
> are no
> >> winners.
> >> I feel a real need to direct my energy in ways
> that are
> >> most productive and not get lost in the swamps.
> >> The political scene today is controlled by big
> >> money/corporate interests in the form of the
> Trilateral
> >> Commission, The Bilderberger, and the Council on
> Foreign
> >> Relations along with a similar group in England.
> The
> >> elections today are mainly held to make people
> feel they
> >> have some say-so in electing a president and thus
> in the
> >> running of the country, but only the big money
> interests
> >> have enough cash available to pay the fees
> necessary to get
> >> a candidate on the ballot and to control the media
> in order
> >> to put out enough propaganda to persuade the
> public to vote
> >> for one of them. The real clue to all of this is
> the
> >> information that all presidents of the U.S. since
> the time
> >> of George Washington have been related to one
> another --
> >> they are descendents of the same blood lines, and
> that
> >> includes presidents from all parties. . .
> >>
> >> Elections, from my perspective are largely held as
> a
> >> distraction to keep people from learning the truth
> and
> >> perhaps organizing on their own and throwing the
> whole kit
> >> and kaboodle out of office and instituting a
> system that is
> >> more inclusive in representation. And, when I
> speak about
> >> representation, my first concern is that Mother
> Earth have
> >> first voice. After all, She is our life support
> system and
> >> if we destroy the ecology of this system then we
> are
> >> definitely out of here as the human family.
> >>
> >> Yet, for thousands of years, we have been acting
> as
> >> "takers" from our life support system
> without
> >> giving anything back. And, if you think of the
> Earth's
> >> system in terms of it being a bank account and one
> keeps
> >> withdrawing without putting any thing back in then
> sooner
> >> or later one becomes bankrupt. At the same time
> I'm
> >> saying this, I also want to add that sooner or
> later the
> >> human family will learn to photosynthesize its
> food in the
> >> same way plants do; however, we aren't there
> yet and
> >> need to rely upon topsoil for sustenance.
> >>
> >> One of the things that appears to be destructive,
> again
> >> "from my perspective", is our concept of
> work as
> >> "jobs" in order to "get money"
> on which
> >> to live. There is a demand for the "right to
> >> work". However if work is only designed to
> rape the
> >> Earth of its healthy balanced state in order for
> the human
> >> family to live on it without putting anything
> back,
> >> doesn't this turn into a kind of "shallow
> >> meaningless existence" where sooner or later
> everyone
> >> becomes addicted to something or other trying to
> fill up
> >> the hole in their soul left by a meaninglessness
> existance.
> >> Doesn't this look something like the state of
> society
> >> today?
> >>
> >> And, one of the things people need to do when
> evaluating
> >> what scientists are saying about global warming is
> to find
> >> out who is paying for the scientific studies. Is
> it big
> >> business?
> >>
> >> In checking out the U-Tube video above, I ran into
> the
> >> following one which I feel is most interesting.
> >>
> >> The Most Terrifying Video You Will Ever See
> >>
> >> http://www.glumbert.com/media/global
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> with love and gratitude for all that you do, Jeff,
> and for
> >> all that we may do together.
> >>
> >> mary rose . . . . . .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Jack Lancaster
> >> <jacklancaster at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net> wrote:
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "robert searle"
> >> To: "Discussion Forum for Global
> Justice"
> >>
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:25 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [GJM] Fw: Fw: Is God Dead?
> Response by
> >> Peter Challen and
> >> futhercomment by Mary Rose
> >>
> >>
> >> > Dear All,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I think the core values of any
> "new"
> >> emerging global political
> >> > ideology should be the Universal
> Declaration of
> >> Human Rights. This is the
> >> > basis of civilized behaviour, and should
> always be
> >> upheld where possible.
> >> > In other words, Positive Human Politics,
> or PHP
> >> which is neither right, or
> >> > left wing but also ofcourse allows
> representative,
> >> or even "direct"
> >> > democracy to exist within an open
> society.
> >> >
> >> > Moreover, religion at the end of the day
> is a
> >> personal matter, and
> >> > everyone has the basic human right to
> believe in
> >> whatever one chooses.It
> >> > would be wise to leave this subject, and
> >> concentrate on social, economic,
> >> > and political issues especially monetary
> reform.
> >>
> >> R.Searle
> >>
> >> Robert, I very much disagree with you because,
> as we
> >> are learning, some
> >> belief systems can do tremendous damage to
> others as
> >> well as those who
> >> blindly believe in them themselves.
> Particularly when
> >> these systems may be
> >> designed to manipulate people for political
> gain. And,
> >> those who want to
> >> manipulate others using religion promote the
> idea that
> >> religion is a "sacred
> >> cow," and should never be discussed
> intelligently.
> >> Instead of sweeping this
> >> under the covers, it is a subject that needs
> to be
> >> discussed so that new and
> >> relevant information can be brought into view,
> so that
> >> all of us may make
> >> more informed and intelligent decisions that
> 'do no
> >> harm.'
> >>
> >> So, let's bring religion out of the dark
> and into
> >> the light, if it is
> >> designed with integrity, it will not suffer
> from
> >> examination. .
> >>
> >> with love and in gratitude for all that you
> do, Robert,
> >> and all that we do
> >> together.
> >>
> >> mary rose
> >> ._______________________________________________
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