[GJM] Fw: Fw: Religions Have Caused Millions Of Deaths And Most AreMyths
mary rose
maryrose333 at att.net
Sun Jun 8 04:12:28 MDT 2008
mary rose: I will intersperse my comments below:
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert searle" <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Discussion Forum for Global Justice"
<discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [GJM] Fw: Religions Have Caused Millions Of Deaths And Most
AreMyths
Dear Mary Rose,
It is best to leave mainstream religion well alone. I do think that
the CESJ using God as its core value is rediculous, and wrong.We live in a
secular society and people can believe what they want. It does not matter
whether it is right, or wrong as long as it does not harm people mentally,
and/or physically(eg.fanaticism, and terrorism).
Moreover you can have a high "moral" society without bringing any religion
into the picture (eg. mainstream humanism ofcourse). This seems to me the
most sensible approach for the time being at least until we have a more
objective, and scientific comphrension of all things spiritual, and
philosophic.
mary rose: What I am attempting to bring to this discussion is "a more
objective, and scientific comphrension of all things spiritual, and
philosophic". What you do not seem to realize, perhaps because you yourself
are not there yet, is that THERE ARE increasing numbers of
internationally-recognized scientists, as well as increasingly significant
numbers of lay people, who comprehend the scientific basis of spiritual
reality. I discount philosophy for the simple reason that it is based on
theory only and is more of a mind game than anything having to do with the
real world. However, having said that, I must add that philosophical theory
differs from the theory of physics which is mainly mathematical theory, but
then the Universe itself is a mathematical construct when viewed from the
standpoint of some highly informed physicists such as Roger Penrose, or say,
Einstein, or Richard Feynman, for example. .
Obviously, religion per se has caused alot of problems in the world. This
is notably true of Christianity. However, it has ALSO achieved alot of good
too(eg. encouraged learning, and social work). Islam itself has also been
noted for its more civilizing qualities though certain aspects of its sharia
law are clearly backward, and babaric.
mary rose: Robert, I find that you speak in generalities here and feel it
would be much more beneficial if you would be specific about things. My
contention is and will continue to be that religion is ill prepared to
address the social ills of the world today, particularly when compared to
the "new science" in the applied fields of biology and specifically related
to human consciousness.. A field which may be broken down into sub-fields
such as: "neurobiology," "neurocardiology," and "epigenetics.". Fields which
apply specifically to how human consciousness emanates from the
biological/physiological constructs of the human body. The fields of "new
biology" or "new science" is fast emerging due to new instrumentation which
provides the ability to visually see what takes place at the quantum level.
For instance, Dr. Bruce Lipton writes in his book: "The Biology of Belief"
with regard to looking at a book one is holding through the lens of an
atomic microscope and observing that what one is holding viewed from that
perspective is "nothing.." Things appear in the form of matter due to the
manner in which our visual sense is constructed. Much of the new and more
powerful instrumentation emerged from necessity when NASA ventured into
outer space and needed to record the physical aspects of astronauts from
this perspective. .
As for "intelligent discussion" on the above this ofcourse is already
happening without you, or me! Many people are trying to build bridges
between different faiths (ie ecumencism/interfaith dialogue). This surely is
a good thing, but I do not want to expand further on this if possible. I am
more concerned with monetary reform at the moment, and this is what this
Discussion Group is about in the main along with other social, economic, and
political issues.
mary rose: I do believe that religion falls into the same category as do
"economic" and "political" issues" as all are sub-systems of the greater
"Social System" itself, and therefore do not understand why you insist on
excluding it.
I would be grateful if you could kindly concentrate on this more. I am sure
you know there are plenty of other Discussion Groups which deal with
religious subject matter.
mary rose: And I would be grateful, Robert, if you would become a little
more informed on these things. in order that we might have more of an
informed and intelligent discussion on matters of critical importance to the
well-being of ALL concerned at the Universal level, since we are talking
about nothing less than the possible demise of the human family as we are
already experiencing the sixth largest extinction of species ever recorded.
.
with love and in gratitude, Robert for all that you do, and all that we do
together.
R.Searle.
--- On Fri, 6/6/08, mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net> wrote:
From: mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net>
Subject: [GJM] Fw: Religions Have Caused Millions Of Deaths And Most Are
Myths
>> To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com, "Discussion Forum for Global Justice"
>> <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
>> Date: Friday, 6 June, 2008, 1:41 PM
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jeff Fisher
>> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: Religions Have Caused Millions Of Deaths And
>> Most Are Myths
>>
>>
>> Updated
>>
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=R_yVxv0I1_I
>>
>> Dear Jeff,
>>
>> I refuse to get involved with politics as in my opinion, it
>> is a swamp filled with alligators in which there are no
>> winners.
>> I feel a real need to direct my energy in ways that are
>> most productive and not get lost in the swamps.
>> The political scene today is controlled by big
>> money/corporate interests in the form of the Trilateral
>> Commission, The Bilderberger, and the Council on Foreign
>> Relations along with a similar group in England. The
>> elections today are mainly held to make people feel they
>> have some say-so in electing a president and thus in the
>> running of the country, but only the big money interests
>> have enough cash available to pay the fees necessary to get
>> a candidate on the ballot and to control the media in order
>> to put out enough propaganda to persuade the public to vote
>> for one of them. The real clue to all of this is the
>> information that all presidents of the U.S. since the time
>> of George Washington have been related to one another --
>> they are descendents of the same blood lines, and that
>> includes presidents from all parties. . .
>>
>> Elections, from my perspective are largely held as a
>> distraction to keep people from learning the truth and
>> perhaps organizing on their own and throwing the whole kit
>> and kaboodle out of office and instituting a system that is
>> more inclusive in representation. And, when I speak about
>> representation, my first concern is that Mother Earth have
>> first voice. After all, She is our life support system and
>> if we destroy the ecology of this system then we are
>> definitely out of here as the human family.
>>
>> Yet, for thousands of years, we have been acting as
>> "takers" from our life support system without
>> giving anything back. And, if you think of the Earth's
>> system in terms of it being a bank account and one keeps
>> withdrawing without putting any thing back in then sooner
>> or later one becomes bankrupt. At the same time I'm
>> saying this, I also want to add that sooner or later the
>> human family will learn to photosynthesize its food in the
>> same way plants do; however, we aren't there yet and
>> need to rely upon topsoil for sustenance.
>>
>> One of the things that appears to be destructive, again
>> "from my perspective", is our concept of work as
>> "jobs" in order to "get money" on which
>> to live. There is a demand for the "right to
>> work". However if work is only designed to rape the
>> Earth of its healthy balanced state in order for the human
>> family to live on it without putting anything back,
>> doesn't this turn into a kind of "shallow
>> meaningless existence" where sooner or later everyone
>> becomes addicted to something or other trying to fill up
>> the hole in their soul left by a meaninglessness existance.
>> Doesn't this look something like the state of society
>> today?
>>
>> And, one of the things people need to do when evaluating
>> what scientists are saying about global warming is to find
>> out who is paying for the scientific studies. Is it big
>> business?
>>
>> In checking out the U-Tube video above, I ran into the
>> following one which I feel is most interesting.
>>
>> The Most Terrifying Video You Will Ever See
>>
>> http://www.glumbert.com/media/global
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> with love and gratitude for all that you do, Jeff, and for
>> all that we may do together.
>>
>> mary rose . . . . . .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Jack Lancaster
>> <jacklancaster at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net> wrote:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "robert searle"
>> To: "Discussion Forum for Global Justice"
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [GJM] Fw: Fw: Is God Dead? Response by
>> Peter Challen and
>> futhercomment by Mary Rose
>>
>>
>> > Dear All,
>> >
>> >
>> > I think the core values of any "new"
>> emerging global political
>> > ideology should be the Universal Declaration of
>> Human Rights. This is the
>> > basis of civilized behaviour, and should always be
>> upheld where possible.
>> > In other words, Positive Human Politics, or PHP
>> which is neither right, or
>> > left wing but also ofcourse allows representative,
>> or even "direct"
>> > democracy to exist within an open society.
>> >
>> > Moreover, religion at the end of the day is a
>> personal matter, and
>> > everyone has the basic human right to believe in
>> whatever one chooses.It
>> > would be wise to leave this subject, and
>> concentrate on social, economic,
>> > and political issues especially monetary reform.
>>
>> R.Searle
>>
>> Robert, I very much disagree with you because, as we
>> are learning, some
>> belief systems can do tremendous damage to others as
>> well as those who
>> blindly believe in them themselves. Particularly when
>> these systems may be
>> designed to manipulate people for political gain. And,
>> those who want to
>> manipulate others using religion promote the idea that
>> religion is a "sacred
>> cow," and should never be discussed intelligently.
>> Instead of sweeping this
>> under the covers, it is a subject that needs to be
>> discussed so that new and
>> relevant information can be brought into view, so that
>> all of us may make
>> more informed and intelligent decisions that 'do no
>> harm.'
>>
>> So, let's bring religion out of the dark and into
>> the light, if it is
>> designed with integrity, it will not suffer from
>> examination. .
>>
>> with love and in gratitude for all that you do, Robert,
>> and all that we do
>> together.
>>
>> mary rose
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