[GJM] Fw: Religions Have Caused Millions Of Deaths And Most Are Myths
robert searle
dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk
Fri Jun 6 08:17:22 MDT 2008
Dear Mary Rose,
It is best to leave mainstream religion well alone. I do think that the CESJ using God as its core value is rediculous, and wrong.We live in a secular society and people can believe what they want. It does not matter whether it is right, or wrong as long as it does not harm people mentally, and/or physically(eg.fanaticism, and terrorism).
Moreover you can have a high "moral" society without bringing any religion into the picture (eg. mainstream humanism ofcourse). This seems to me the most sensible approach for the time being at least until we have a more objective, and scientific comphrension of all things spiritual, and philosophic.
Obviously, religion per se has caused alot of problems in the world. This is notably true of Christianity. However, it has ALSO achieved alot of good too(eg. encouraged learning, and social work). Islam itself has also been noted for its more civilizing qualities though certain aspects of its sharia law are clearly backward, and babaric.
As for "intelligent discussion" on the above this ofcourse is already happening without you, or me! Many people are trying to build bridges between different faiths (ie ecumencism/interfaith dialogue). This surely is a good thing, but I do not want to expand further on this if possible. I am more concerned with monetary reform at the moment, and this is what this Discussion Group is about in the main along with other social, economic, and political issues.
I would be grateful if you could kindly concentrate on this more. I am sure you know there are plenty of other Discussion Groups which deal with religious subject matter.
R.Searle.
--- On Fri, 6/6/08, mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net> wrote:
> From: mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net>
> Subject: [GJM] Fw: Religions Have Caused Millions Of Deaths And Most Are Myths
> To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com, "Discussion Forum for Global Justice" <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
> Date: Friday, 6 June, 2008, 1:41 PM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Fisher
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Religions Have Caused Millions Of Deaths And
> Most Are Myths
>
>
> Updated
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=R_yVxv0I1_I
>
> Dear Jeff,
>
> I refuse to get involved with politics as in my opinion, it
> is a swamp filled with alligators in which there are no
> winners.
> I feel a real need to direct my energy in ways that are
> most productive and not get lost in the swamps.
> The political scene today is controlled by big
> money/corporate interests in the form of the Trilateral
> Commission, The Bilderberger, and the Council on Foreign
> Relations along with a similar group in England. The
> elections today are mainly held to make people feel they
> have some say-so in electing a president and thus in the
> running of the country, but only the big money interests
> have enough cash available to pay the fees necessary to get
> a candidate on the ballot and to control the media in order
> to put out enough propaganda to persuade the public to vote
> for one of them. The real clue to all of this is the
> information that all presidents of the U.S. since the time
> of George Washington have been related to one another --
> they are descendents of the same blood lines, and that
> includes presidents from all parties. . .
>
> Elections, from my perspective are largely held as a
> distraction to keep people from learning the truth and
> perhaps organizing on their own and throwing the whole kit
> and kaboodle out of office and instituting a system that is
> more inclusive in representation. And, when I speak about
> representation, my first concern is that Mother Earth have
> first voice. After all, She is our life support system and
> if we destroy the ecology of this system then we are
> definitely out of here as the human family.
>
> Yet, for thousands of years, we have been acting as
> "takers" from our life support system without
> giving anything back. And, if you think of the Earth's
> system in terms of it being a bank account and one keeps
> withdrawing without putting any thing back in then sooner
> or later one becomes bankrupt. At the same time I'm
> saying this, I also want to add that sooner or later the
> human family will learn to photosynthesize its food in the
> same way plants do; however, we aren't there yet and
> need to rely upon topsoil for sustenance.
>
> One of the things that appears to be destructive, again
> "from my perspective", is our concept of work as
> "jobs" in order to "get money" on which
> to live. There is a demand for the "right to
> work". However if work is only designed to rape the
> Earth of its healthy balanced state in order for the human
> family to live on it without putting anything back,
> doesn't this turn into a kind of "shallow
> meaningless existence" where sooner or later everyone
> becomes addicted to something or other trying to fill up
> the hole in their soul left by a meaninglessness existance.
> Doesn't this look something like the state of society
> today?
>
> And, one of the things people need to do when evaluating
> what scientists are saying about global warming is to find
> out who is paying for the scientific studies. Is it big
> business?
>
> In checking out the U-Tube video above, I ran into the
> following one which I feel is most interesting.
>
> The Most Terrifying Video You Will Ever See
>
> http://www.glumbert.com/media/global
>
>
>
>
> with love and gratitude for all that you do, Jeff, and for
> all that we may do together.
>
> mary rose . . . . . .
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Jack Lancaster
> <jacklancaster at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "robert searle"
> To: "Discussion Forum for Global Justice"
>
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [GJM] Fw: Fw: Is God Dead? Response by
> Peter Challen and
> futhercomment by Mary Rose
>
>
> > Dear All,
> >
> >
> > I think the core values of any "new"
> emerging global political
> > ideology should be the Universal Declaration of
> Human Rights. This is the
> > basis of civilized behaviour, and should always be
> upheld where possible.
> > In other words, Positive Human Politics, or PHP
> which is neither right, or
> > left wing but also ofcourse allows representative,
> or even "direct"
> > democracy to exist within an open society.
> >
> > Moreover, religion at the end of the day is a
> personal matter, and
> > everyone has the basic human right to believe in
> whatever one chooses.It
> > would be wise to leave this subject, and
> concentrate on social, economic,
> > and political issues especially monetary reform.
>
> R.Searle
>
> Robert, I very much disagree with you because, as we
> are learning, some
> belief systems can do tremendous damage to others as
> well as those who
> blindly believe in them themselves. Particularly when
> these systems may be
> designed to manipulate people for political gain. And,
> those who want to
> manipulate others using religion promote the idea that
> religion is a "sacred
> cow," and should never be discussed intelligently.
> Instead of sweeping this
> under the covers, it is a subject that needs to be
> discussed so that new and
> relevant information can be brought into view, so that
> all of us may make
> more informed and intelligent decisions that 'do no
> harm.'
>
> So, let's bring religion out of the dark and into
> the light, if it is
> designed with integrity, it will not suffer from
> examination. .
>
> with love and in gratitude for all that you do, Robert,
> and all that we do
> together.
>
> mary rose
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