[GJM] Billions Of deaths after atheistic anti-Catholic church enlightenment

[Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam]

wars have been there and now it is the turn of neo-liberal atheists who are destroying  Earth ( through promoting ecologically hostile energy intensive leisure engagements, looting people through usurious finance system, devoruiong children,selling the body of women,throwing out elderly..we need one governance protocol..in abidance to the commands of Allah

--- On Fri, 6/6/08, mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net> wrote:

From: mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net>
Subject: [GJM] Fw: Religions Have Caused Millions Of Deaths And Most Are Myths
To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com, "Discussion Forum for Global Justice" <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
Date: Friday, 6 June, 2008, 6:11 PM





 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jeff Fisher 
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: Religions Have Caused Millions Of Deaths And Most Are Myths


Updated
 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=R_yVxv0I1_I
 
Dear Jeff, 
 
I refuse to get involved with politics as in my opinion, it is a swamp filled with alligators in which there are no winners. 
I feel a real need to direct my energy in ways that are most productive and not get lost in the swamps.  
The political scene today is controlled by big money/corporate interests in the form of the Trilateral Commission, The Bilderberger, and the Council on Foreign Relations along with a similar group in England.  The elections today are mainly held to make people feel they have some say-so in electing a president and thus in the running of the country, but only the big money interests have enough cash available to pay the fees necessary to get a candidate on the ballot and to control the media in order to put out enough propaganda to persuade the public to vote for one of them.  The real clue to all of this is the information that all presidents of the U.S. since the time of George Washington have been related to one another -- they are descendents of the same blood lines, and that includes presidents from all parties. .  .  
 
Elections, from my perspective are largely held as a distraction to keep people from learning the truth and perhaps organizing on their own and throwing the whole kit and kaboodle out of office and instituting a system that is more inclusive in representation.  And, when I speak about representation, my first concern is that Mother Earth have first voice.  After all, She is our life support system and if we destroy the ecology of this system then we are definitely out of here as the human family..  
 
Yet, for thousands of years, we have been acting as "takers" from our life support system without giving anything back. And, if you think of the Earth's system in terms of it being a bank account and one keeps withdrawing without putting any thing back in then sooner or later one becomes bankrupt.  At the same time I'm saying this, I also want to add that sooner or later the human family will learn to photosynthesize its food in the same way plants do; however, we aren't there yet and need to rely upon topsoil for sustenance.  
 
One of the things that appears to be destructive, again "from my perspective", is our concept of work as "jobs" in order to "get money" on which to live. There is a demand for the "right to work". However if work is only designed to rape the Earth of its healthy balanced state in order for the human family to live on it without putting anything back, doesn't this turn into a kind of "shallow meaningless existence" where sooner or later everyone becomes addicted to something or other trying to fill up the hole in their soul left by a meaninglessness existance. Doesn't this look something like the state of society today?  
 
And, one of the things people need to do when evaluating what scientists are saying about global warming is to find out who is paying for the scientific studies. Is it big business?      
 
In checking out the U-Tube video above, I ran into the following one which I feel is most interesting. 
 
The Most Terrifying Video You Will Ever See
 
http://www.glumbert.com/media/global
 

  
 
with love and gratitude for all that you do, Jeff, and for all that we may do together. 
 
mary rose  .        .       .   .  .  . 
 
 



On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Jack Lancaster <jacklancaster at sbcglobal.net> wrote:



mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net> wrote: 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert searle" 
To: "Discussion Forum for Global Justice" 

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: [GJM] Fw: Fw: Is God Dead? Response by Peter Challen and 
futhercomment by Mary Rose


> Dear All,
>
>
> I think the core values of any "new" emerging global political 
> ideology should be the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. This is the 
> basis of civilized behaviour, and should always be upheld where possible. 
> In other words, Positive Human Politics, or PHP which is neither right, or 
> left wing but also ofcourse allows representative, or even "direct" 
> democracy to exist within an open society.
>
> Moreover, religion at the end of the day is a personal matter, and 
> everyone has the basic human right to believe in whatever one chooses.It 
> would be wise to leave this subject, and concentrate on social, economic, 
> and political issues especially monetary reform.

R.Searle

Robert, I very much disagree with you because, as we are learning, some 
belief systems can do tremendous damage to others as well as those who 
blindly believe in them themselves. Particularly when these systems may be 
designed to manipulate people for political gain. And, those who want to 
manipulate others using religion promote the idea that religion is a "sacred 
cow," and should never be discussed intelligently. Instead of sweeping this 
under the covers, it is a subject that needs to be discussed so that new and 
relevant information can be brought into view, so that all of us may make 
more informed and intelligent decisions that 'do no harm.'

So, let's bring religion out of the dark and into the light, if it is 
designed with integrity, it will not suffer from examination. .

with love and in gratitude for all that you do, Robert, and all that we do 
together.

mary rose .






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