[GJM] Fw: An Interview With Researcher Dr. Candace Pert, Ph.D. w/comment by mary rose

[mary rose]

Robert, your hypothesis here is way off base.  Candace Pert's findings are a 
portion
of the science underlying what is referred to as a "multi-dimensional"  or 
"holodynamic"
universe.  Multi-dimensional meaning there are many different dimensions to 
the
universe, many of them invisible until entered into in an alternative state 
of mind.
Holodynamic means nearly the same thing, but it also infers that there are 
interactive
dynamics occurring at all times between all of the elements of the different 
dimensions
of the universe. To completely cover the subject of "multi-dimensional" and 
"holodynamic"
would take at least one, if not several books.

You also write in part from your referenced page:  "Step One: A search for 
specific willing psychics, and mystics who have regular if not daily inner 
experiences of various "energies". They are termed as Multi-Dimensional 
Observers, or MDOs for short. A large number of them may well emanate from 
the psychic healing field.

Step Two: The aim here is to find out what kind of experiences they have via 
an initial questionaire. A more elaborate, and detailed one(s) may follow."

but fail to recognize that all of this has already been accomplished and 
thoroughly recorded by among others, Lynne McTaggart in her books:  The 
Field and The Intention Experiments.  I consider Ms McTaggart's recording of 
these experiments to be among the most concise as she spent 4 years 
interviewing the scientists who had actually conducted the experiments in 
order to ensure that her rendition of them was accurate.

Another highly internationally- recognized researcher is Dean Radin, author 
of "Entangled Minds - Extrasensory Experiences In A Quantum Reality".  Dr. 
Larry Dossey, one of the foremost recognized researchers into "distance 
healing through prayer," writes about Radin's book: "From the Einstein of 
consciousness research comes a work that could change forever how we view 
the nature of human consciousness and our origins and destiny."

Radin is currently the Senior Scientist at the Institute of Noetic Sciences 
in California.  His book demonstrates "how we can know that psychic 
phenomeina such as telepathy, clairvoyance, and psychokinesis are real, 
based on scientific evidence from thousands of controlled lab tests. Radin 
surveys the origins of this research and explores, among many topics, the 
collective premonitions of 9/11. He reveals the physicial reality behind our 
uncanny telepathic experiences and intuitive hunches, and he debunks the 
skeptical myths surrounding them. His book, Entangled Minds sets the stage 
for a rational, scientific understanding of psychic experience.

While both Radin, and the scientists interviewed by McTaggart, predominantly 
use persons who are so-called known psychics and mystics for their, what is 
becoming widely recognized is that all of us have these powers within us. 
It is a matter of managing the electromagnetic and other energy forces of 
our biological body in such a way as to create the all-knowing and 
all-seeing holographic mind.

When you write about "multi-dimensional" science in the manner that you do, 
ignoring the work of others so far advanced in this field, you really reveal 
your ignorance . Yet. you write.as if you are the only one who has any 
knowledge at all in this field. If you want others to respect you, it would 
be best to get off of this ego-oriented position and do your homework before 
shooting off your mouth.  I cannot help but wonder if this is why Peter H. 
laughs at you in economic discussions.

I am containing comments on this to the Global Justice Movement list.

with love and in gratitude for all that you do and all that we do together,

mary rose

We must be the change we wish to see in our lives. .       .





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert searle" <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Discussion Forum for Global Justice" 
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Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 2:17 AM
Subject: Re: [GJM] An Interview With Researcher Dr. Candace Pert,Ph.D. 
w/comment by mary rose


> Dear All,
>
>        The problem with all this is that its approach, and understanding 
> is incomplete with the Multi-Dimensional Hypothesis. However, they are 
> ofcourse important steps in the right direction.
>
>
> R.Searle.
>
>          http://kheper.net/essays/Multi-Dimensional_Science.html
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 13/7/08, mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net> wrote:
>
>> From: mary rose <maryrose333 at att.net>
>> Subject: [GJM] An Interview With Researcher Dr. Candace Pert, Ph.D. 
>> w/comment by mary rose
>> To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com, "Discussion Forum for Global Justice" 
>> <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
>> Date: Sunday, 13 July, 2008, 10:20 PM
>> I want to forward this interview with Dr. Candace Pert as
>> she demonstrates here how, what Dr. V. Vernon Woolf calls
>> "holodynes," form in the body and remain there
>> until they are transformed or released (matured) in such a
>> way as to take on another form higher up in the chain of
>> being. In the "Dance of Life," (2005) Dr. Woolf
>> describes holodynes as:
>>
>> "Information systems that are holographic in nature.
>> From "holo" meaning "whole" and
>> "dyn" meaning "unit of power" as in
>> "dynamic". Holodynes are considered holographic
>> thought forms that have the power to cause. They are
>> thought to exist within the water molecules of the
>> microtubules" which form the structure for the cells
>> that make up the body.
>>
>> That these holodynes reside within the body is
>> substantiated by masage therapy, with an energy healing
>> technique such as Reiki for example, demonstrating that
>> when these entities (emotions) are brought to the surface,
>> or to the attention of the conscious mind, they may then be
>> transformed (healed/matured) using the power of the
>> conscious mind to do so. But until they are encountered or
>> discovered, they lie under the surface of our awareness,
>> buried in the sub-conscious mind where they cause us to act
>> without conscious recognition of where these actions are
>> coming from. Recall the tooth paste tube incident, as told
>> by Dr. Bruce Lipton, where someone may go ballistic upon
>> finding the toothpaste lid left off of the tube by another
>> family member, when the person making the discovery has
>> been trained to always recap the tube from childhood, and
>> possibly punished when they did not do so. More on the
>> subconscious mind and how it operates at a later date
>> However, I do want to mention that Dr. Pert has come to the
>> recognition that the cells of the body house the
>> sub-conscious mind field.  So, now the question arises as
>> to "if the body houses the sub-conscious mind, then
>> where does the conscious mind reside"?  Especially
>> when research is now strongly suggesting that
>> "mind" or "consciousness" itself is
>> "non-local". And, from this point then we are
>> forced to extend our thinking into outer space (universal)
>> called the "plenum" where the Universal Mind
>> resides in the form of the "Akashic Field" as
>> postulated by Dr. Ervin Laszlo and other researchers
>> (physicists) of today. And this is where it begins to
>> appear that each of us is configured like a personal
>> computer that is then linked into a field (Akashic) which
>> is configured like a huge mainframe computer, called the
>> "Universal Mind" as it records everything from
>> all time as recorded by the personal database of
>> individuals.  So, perhaps each of us acts as an
>> "information gathering and distribution center"
>> designed to contribute data to the mainframe which then
>> computes what action needs to be taken at any given time in
>> order to ensure the progression of the universe into a
>> higher order of consciousness/wellness.  And, within the
>> framework, we must consider that it takes both negative and
>> positive feedback/action in order to keep the system
>> balanced/coherent. And, of course this thinking is very
>> much supported by David Bohm's theory of there being an
>> Implicate Order to the Universe.  And, then if we
>> extrapolate this further into the study of Sacred Geometry
>> and Fractals, we find further evidence of this being the
>> case. The study of Sacred Geometry reveals that the
>> Universe is mathmatically constructed, and, is very
>> precisely constructed as well. So now, we are into the
>> field of "intelligent design."
>>
>> And, now, in the context of "the new science" and
>> the field of "epigenetics," when we ask the
>> question as to where this "intelligence" comes
>> from, it is "we" as a collective consciousness
>> that appears to be the source -- the designer.  Thus, there
>> is no God "out there," as formerly envisioned --
>> everything is taking place from within us.  And so-called
>> dieties, then, are but symbolic culturally-biased
>> representations of our "inner"
>> consciousness/awareness, as viewed by the holographic mind.
>>  .       .
>>
>> Now, here is the Interview:             .
>>
>>
>> Approaching A Theory of Emotion:
>> An Interview With Candace Pert, Ph.D
>> By Lynn Grodzki, Fellow
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>       The New Identify Process (NIP) and other forms of
>> emotive psychotherapy embrace the healing tradition of
>> catharsis--intense emotional expression is elicited within
>> a contained therapeutic environment. This emotive therapy
>> follows in a direct line from the earliest forms of ancient
>> healing arts through recent scientific studies exploring the
>> link between body and mind. The challenge for clinicians in
>> answering the criticism about the use of catharsis is to
>> conceptually bridge past and present in evaluating emotive
>> methods.
>>       Happily, an unexpected voice has joined the debate
>> about the importance of emotional therapy. Candace Pert,
>> Ph.D., researcher and pharmacologist, may help point the
>> way to a resolution of a problem that has faced clinicians
>> using emotive methods for the last 100 years. In adding her
>> biochemical research perspective to the discussion of the
>> meaning and value of catharsis, she is addressing a weak
>> point and the biggest problem that exists in the field of
>> emotive, experiential psychotherapy. She is helping to
>> formulate, for the first time, a unified theory of emotion.
>>
>>
>>       First, a bit of history. Although the use of
>> catharsis was a key element of treatment during the first
>> 200 years of early psychotherapy (with Mesmer, Charcot,
>> Janet, and Bruer), Freud's rejection of this cathartic
>> method within psychoanalysis and his reliance on free
>> association, "The talking cure" as a sufficient
>> form of abreaction, spread until dominating the field. By
>> 1920, methods of emotive psychotherapy moved to the fringes
>> of conventional psychological practice. Freud gave as one of
>> his reasons for rejecting emotive methods his frustration as
>> a neurologist in trying to theorize about the workings of
>> emotion. Although some of his colleagues continued to rely
>> on methods of catharsis (notably Ferenczi, Brown and Reich)
>> and although a second wave of interest sparked the
>> development of additional methods in the early 1950's
>> (by Janov, Lowen, Perls, Casriel and Jackins) the academic
>> literature continues to reject catharsis, following Freud.
>> Methods of emotive psychotherapy, when mentioned, are
>> usually discounted as unproved and ineffective at best, or
>> counterproductive and harmful at worst. Currently, the
>> criticism of emotive therapy is based on the results of
>> often flawed, past research about catharsis.
>>
>>
>>       In some studies, catharsis is misdefined to mean any
>> kind of ventilation (from watching a wrestling match to
>> screaming, to hitting another person). Because clients
>> require a safe space (environmental containment) in order
>> to achieve a true experience of catharsis, the results that
>> clinicians can produce in their office settings are hard to
>> reproduce in laboratory settings. But the biggest hurdle to
>> researching and validating emotional methods has been the
>> vagueness about emotion itself. Until recently, little has
>> been understood from a scientific basis about what emotion
>> is and is not.
>>
>>
>>       Psychological textbooks published only thirty years
>> ago state, "Emotion is virtually impossible to define
>> . . . except in terms of conflicting theories" and
>> "No genuine order can be discerned within the
>> field." As long as emotion remains an abstraction,
>> lacking a unified theory base, it is impossible to research
>> and validate methods of emotive therapy. The kinds of
>> questions that need to be answered include: how emotion is
>> manifest, how memory and emotion interact, whether emotion
>> is concrete (real) or conceptual (a construct), if
>> concrete, how emotion acts in the body, and how unexpressed
>> emotion is stored.
>>
>>
>>       Enter into this discussion Dr Candace Pert. For the
>> past twenty years, Pert has been studying the movement of
>> amino acid chains in the human body. In the process, she is
>> unraveling the mystery of mind-body communication and
>> changing forever the way we understand emotion.
>>
>>
>>       For Pert, pharmacologist and professor at Georgetown
>> University, the mind is not just in the brain -- it is also
>> in the body. The vehicle that the mind and body use to
>> communicate with each other is the chemistry of emotion.
>> The chemicals in question are molecules, short chains of
>> amino acids called peptides and receptors, that she
>> believes to be the "biochemical correlate of
>> emotion." The peptides can be found in your brain, but
>> also in your stomach, your muscles, your glands and all your
>> major organs, sending messages back and forth. After decades
>> of research, Pert is finally able to make clear how emotion
>> creates the bridge between mind and body.
>>
>>
>>       Candace Pert lives in the world where emotions make
>> scientific sense. As former Chief of Brain Biochemistry at
>> the NIH for 13 years, she studied the inner workings of the
>> body with an eye towards identifying and locating peptides
>> and receptors. She became convinced these chemicals were
>> the physical manifestation of emotion. In 1993, Pert
>> appeared on Bill Moyer's landmark TV program Healing
>> and Mind, where she explained her theories of emotion to a
>> national audience. She attracted attention for being that
>> rare scientist who can explain their work to a lay audience
>> with a sense of humor and passion. These days Pert spends
>> substantial amount of time in Rockville, Maryland, as a
>> consultant on the trials of a new drug, Peptide T, that is
>> part of a non-toxic AIDS therapy. She takes some time from
>> her research and teaching schedule to lecture
>> internationally on the issues of neuropeptides and
>> mind-body communications.
>>
>>
>>       I began to correspond with Pert several years ago,
>> and in May of 1995, as a result of her desire to be part of
>> the 1995 ISNIP Conference, we sat down to talk about a
>> subject that interests both of us: the need for a unified
>> theory of emotion. She offered some new, startling insights
>> of her own that explain how experiential forms of
>> psychotherapy and alternative medicine work. What follows
>> is a portion of our discussion.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>       Lynn Grodzki: How do you understand the connection
>> between memory and emotion?
>>
>>       Candace Pert: Experiments show that the hippocampus
>> area of the brain [part of the limbic system] is the access
>> or gateway into the whole emotional experience. Almost every
>> variety of peptide receptor is found in the hippocampus.
>> Through the peptide network, which is anything that has
>> peptide receptors on it, you can access different memories,
>> mood states or developmental stages. Strong emotions are the
>> key variable that make us bother to remember things.
>>
>>
>>       There is a lot of evidence that memory occurs at the
>> point of synapse, there are changes that take place in the
>> receptors. The sensitivity of the receptors are part of
>> memory and pattern storage. But the peptide network expends
>> beyond the hippocampus, to organs, tissue, skin, muscle and
>> endocrine glands. They all have peptides receptors on them
>> and can access and store emotional information. This means
>> this emotional memory is stored in many places in the body,
>> not just the brain. The autonomic nervous system is pivotal
>> to this entire understanding. Its importance is much more
>> subtle than has been thought. Every peptide that I have
>> every mapped and more can be found in the autonomic nervous
>> system. There is an emotional coding to the way our
>> autonomic patterns are elaborated.
>>
>>
>>       LG: The autonomic nervous system includes the spinal
>> cord and the ganglion that are down either side. Is it
>> possible that emotion could be stored in places like this
>> indefinitely?
>>
>>
>>       CP: Absolutely. Emotional memories are our earliest
>> memories. One of my earliest memories is that I struck a
>> match when my mother was making dinner. I just started a
>> tiny fire, and she came over and put it out with her
>> dishrag. I can still see the terror in her face. I think I
>> must have been one year old. Emotional memories are long
>> term memories, stored where we need them, for survival.
>>
>>
>>       LG: Let's say you had forgotten this memory and
>> you are in a situation where something similar happens,
>> perhaps your own daughter plays with matches and you find
>> your reaction has an intensity that suggests an earlier
>> incident was attached to it. How is early emotional memory
>> retrieved in the body?
>>
>>
>>       CP: You can access emotional memory anywhere in the
>> peptide/receptor network, in any number of ways. For
>> example, if you have a memory that has to do with food and
>> eating, you might access it by the nerves hooked up to the
>> pancreas. You can access through any nodal point in the
>> neural loop. Nodal points are places where there is a lot
>> of convergent information with many different peptide
>> receptors. In these nodal points there is potential for
>> emotional regulation and conditioning.
>>
>>
>>       LG: So we are programmed to be able to repeat
>> emotional experience and we can access it through the body
>> in many ways. What happens to emotions that are not able to
>> be fully expressed?
>>
>>
>>       CP: I have a whole theory about this. I believe that
>> emotion is not fully expressed until it reaches
>> consciousness. When I speak of consciousness, I include the
>> entire body. I believe that unexpressed emotion is in
>> process of traveling up the neural access. By traveling, I
>> mean coming from the periphery, up the spinal cord, up into
>> the brain. When emotion moves up, it can be expressed. It
>> takes a certain amount of energy from our bodies to keep
>> the emotion unexpressed. There are inhibitory chemicals and
>> impulses that function to keep the emotion and information
>> down. I think unexpressed emotions are literally lodged
>> lower in the body.
>>
>>
>>       In my mind, there are levels of integration. You are
>> integrating lower brain areas when you move the emotion up
>> and get it into consciousness. That's where you begin
>> comprehension. I often tell a story in my lectures. I show
>> a picture of a woman with hot coffee, who has dropped the
>> cup and burned herself. She reacts to the scalding coffee
>> by being startled and feeling pain. The emotional reflex
>> moves up and up and up the body. When it finally gets to
>> the level of the thalamus she says, "Oh, it's
>> hotter than it usually is." But then I make a joke. I
>> say, "It's only when it gets all the way up to the
>> cortex that she can actually blame her husband."
>> That's where we put the whole spin on it. Unexpressed
>> emotions are buried in the body -- way, deep down in the
>> circuitry of the organs, or the GI tract, or a loop in a
>> ganglium. We even know what the memory storage looks like.
>> It's protein molecules coupled up to receptors. Some
>> thought it only gets stored in the brain. But it looks like
>> that in the body, too. Your memories can get stored that way
>> in a pancreas, for example.
>>
>>
>>       LG: There is a belief that unexpressed emotion is
>> harmful to the mind and body. IF you haven't fully
>> grieved a loss, for example, your weakened immune system
>> might make you a candidate for an illness, like cancer. How
>> do you understand it, as a scientist?
>>
>>
>>       CP: It think there is overwhelming evidence that
>> unexpressed emotion causes illness. I'm a molecular
>> Reichian!
>>
>>
>>       LG: Reich had a model of working with emotion that is
>> sometimes called the "conflict model" of
>> catharsis. He thought there were two psychic forces at work
>> in every individual. One is the force that wants to express
>> emotion. The other is the force that seeks to prevent its
>> expression, which he termed resistance. He thought the
>> pressure of the two forces caused stasis, so his therapy
>> techniques were designed to exhaust and weaken the
>> resistance, to allow emotional expression to occur.
>>
>>
>>       CP: I see it this way. The raw emotion is working to
>> be expressed in the body. It's always moving up the
>> neural access. Up the chakras, if you will, but really up
>> the spinal chord. The need to resist it is coming from the
>> cortex. All the brain; rationalizations are pushing the
>> energy down. The cortex resistance is an attempt to prevent
>> overload. It's stingy about what information is allowed
>> up into the cortex. It's always a struggle in the body.
>> The real, true emotions that need to be expressed are in the
>> body, trying to move up and be expressed and thereby
>> integrated. That's why I believe psychoanalysis in a
>> vacuum doesn't work. You are spending all your time in
>> your cortex, rather than in your body. You are adding to
>> the resistance.
>>
>>
>>       LG: You suggest a vertical model of catharsis,
>> letting the emotion move up the body, perhaps finding ways
>> to relax the cortex to allow the unexpressed emotion to be
>> first experienced and then cognitively integrated.
>>
>>
>>       CP: Let the emotion all bubble up. Let the chips fall
>> where they may. My personal experience using catharsis was
>> with the New Identify Process. I think the NIP bonding
>> might serve to relax the cortex and let the emotion come
>> through. I believe that the process of catharsis is not
>> complete without saying things, because we must involve
>> speech and the cortex, to know that the emotion has come
>> all the way up and is being processed at the highest level.
>> To feel and understand means you have worked it all the way
>> through. It's bubbled all the way to the surface.
>> You're integrating at higher and higher levels in the
>> body, bringing emotion into consciousness.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>       Candace Pert, Ph.D. was the keynote speaker at the
>> 1995 ISNIP Conference, September 23, 1995
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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