[GJM] Fw: Dr. Laibow on coffee and beef, (was: OOOPs! (was: Fw: Broccoli Could Help Fight Cancer and Much More )

[mary rose]

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From: Dr. Rima Laibow 
To: mary rose 
Cc: Ralph Fucetola JD 
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: OOOPs! (was: Fw: Broccoli Could Help Fight Cancer and Much More )


Dear MaryRose,
Coffee is the nutrient bad boy du jour, it would seem.  Organic coffee, which is, by definition, free of pesticides, fungicides and other toxins, which is properly prepared (as a tea of the coffee plant) has bioactive impact on the body and brain as do hundreds of other teas.  If abused, any of these bioactive teas, each of which contains thousands of alkaloids and other bioactive compounds, can have a deleterious effect on the body.  Used properly and in moderation (which is part of properly), each of them has a place in the herbal and medical world.

Coffee is, in fact, like chocolate, rich in antioxidants and may be protective against, or useful in, a variety of medical conditions such as Parkinson's disease and breast cancer.  Once villified in pancreatic cancer and fibrocystic disease, it is no longer held in such bad repute.  As a detoxification agent, used in coffee enemas (no cream, no sugar, no pesticides) it is of great use for many types of patients.

Non-organically raised and processed coffee is, in essence, a water extract of dangerous toxins and should be avoided under all circumstances.  I am afraid that I do not see the same caution necessary for coffee which is both organic and used correctly.

By the way, your strict determination that all of us should follow similar diets and eschew meat is something that I wanted to discuss, too.  As a physician of nearly 40 years who has practiced exclusively drug free psychiatry and medicine, I have spent a good deal of time and focus on biological and biochemical processes in humans.  As an environmental physician, I have focused intently on environmental toxins like pesticides and fungicides.

Thoughout my career I have become more and more convinced that biochemical, emotional, genetic, enzymatic and other diversities means that we have diverse requirements in nutrients, and delivery systems for nutrients (vegetable, animal, mineral, vitamin, etc.)

Some people thrive on a diet without meat and others wither on it, no matter how carefully balanced the proteins might be in the vegetarian diet.
Some people methylate rapidly and efficiently and some do not.  Some people detoxify heavy metals faster than others, and so on and on and on and on.
Thus, to forbid diets that some people need for health because of personal preferences or political ones makes no biological sense to me.  Asking people to consider living lightly on the earth does make sense to me.

Using fresh, wholesome foods at all times makes sense to me.  Eating locally and sustainably makes sense to me.  But forbidding some diets while requiring others makes no sense to me at all.  A quick personal example: My husband's genetic legacy includes an inability to consistently process uric acid so if he eats red meats he gets horribly painful gout.
The traditional dietary strategy for gout is a vegetarian diet and excellent hydration.  I went on the same diet.  He, a 2 star Army General, felt that he was being severly compromised by a vegetarian diet while I was very positive about it.  Over time, however, he flourished and I got sicker and weaker and sicker and weaker.
I need animal protein in order to be well.  He does not.
Both of us had well balanced, carefully planned nutritious and delicious meals.  I get sick on the regimen that keeps him well. Sort of a Jack Sprat kind of thing.
People are different and so are their biological capacities.

Viva la difference!

Thank you for all the work that you do.
Yours in health and freedom,
Rima E. Laibow, MD
Medical Director
Natural Solutions Foundation
www.HealthFreedomUSA.org

Dear Dr. Rima,  

I am so glad that you are a member of this list and can bring up and intelligently discuss the issues at hand. And you bring up some very good points. 

In response, first of all, let me say that what I publish here comes from approximately 18 years of research for a book I am writing: "The Sacred Quest for the Who of I Am," which explores many different pathways, but is mainly concerned with human consciousness from a biological perspective. But two other specific questions it explores are: 1) "Why are we such a violent species?", and 2) Why are we so carelessly destorying our own habitat? According to the research of archaeologist Marija Gimbutas, documented not only in her own books, but in large part by Riane Eisler in "The Chalice and The Blade". in the Neolithic Age, the human family was an intellectually advanced, peaceful matrilinear and matrifocal "partnership" society, that lived in total peace until invaded by both Kurgan and Aryan sheepherders who brutally destroyed this society and made courtesans of the women and eunuchs of the men, thus beginning a dominator paradigm which has continued into modern times.  The big question for me here is: "Why did humanity turn so suddenly from a peace-loving society to a warrior society?" What happened?  And, "What does this have to do with the environmental crisis we are facing today?".  And finally, after 18 years and having read well over a thousand books, I feel I have gathered enough knowledge to begin to write this epic. This has been a very lengthy exploration and I still feel I know very little, but the pieces are beginning to fall into place now in larger and larger chunks as this story unfolds told by hundreds of other authors and researchers from a multi-dimensional perspective.     .  .      .      

Right now, while I am very much concerned,with human health, it is the health of the planet and all life on it that most concerns me. Today, we are in the sixth mass extinction of species on the plaent and, as you know, there is grave concern as to whether or not the human family will survive this extinction. In addition we are faced with what appears to be man made global climate change. So, while I empathize with your personal dilemna with meat, Rima, (and I realize that you are not just concerned with your own needs, but are indicating there are others like you), I really do believe that the question has to be: "What is best for all concerned?"  Maybe in the interests of all, we must bend to the demands that these "unprecedented in human recorded his/her story challenges" are making on this generation.  

And, my main concern in this respect, with regard to meat-eating is with regard to cattle-raising for beef production now having been named as the number one green house gas-contributor by the U.N., exceeding that of automobiles. And this comes on top of many other crimes cattle.commit on the environment.     

Here is an excerpt taken from http://www.answers.com/topic/cattle which goes into some detail as to the problems cattle create today, as they.occupy 24% of the productive land mass of the planet.  
Present status
The world cattle population is estimated to be about 1.3 billion head. India is the nation with the largest number of cattle, about 400 million, followed by Brazil and China, with about 150 million each, and the United States, with about 100 million. Africa has about 200 million head of cattle, many of which are herded in traditional ways and serve largely as tokens of their owners' wealth. Europe has about 130 million head of cattle (CT 2006, SC 2006).

Cattle today are the basis of a many billion dollar industry worldwide. The international trade in beef for 2000 was over $30 billion and represented only 23 percent of world beef production. (Clay 2004). The production of milk, which is also made into cheese, butter, yogurt, and other dairy products, is comparable in size to beef production and provides an important part of the food supply for much of the world's people. Cattle hides, used for leather to make shoes and clothing, are another important product. In India and other poorer nations, cattle are also important as draft animals as they have been for thousands of years.


Environmental Impact
Cattle are "responsible for 18% of greenhouse gases," states a 400-page United Nations report from the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO). Cattle are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs.

The report, entitled Livestock's Long Shadow, also surveys the damage done by sheep, chickens, pigs and goats. But in almost every case, the world's 1.5 billion cattle are cited as being most to blame. The report concludes that, unless changes are made, the massive damage reckoned to be due to livestock may more than double by 2050, as demand for meat increases. One of the cited changes suggests that intensification of the livestock industry may be necessary, since intensification leads to fewer cattle for a given level of production.[1]. *************************

To get some idea of the ramifications of beef and dairy cattle on the planet, I would like to personally ask you, Rima, to read the books:  "Beyond Beef - The Rise and Fall of the Cattle Culture" by Jeremy Rifkin, as well as: "The Food Revolution - How Your Diet can Help Save Your Life and The World," by the EarthSave Foundation founder, John Robbins, with a foreword by Dean Ornish, M.D. -- along with "The Chalice and the Blade - Our History, Our Future ," by Riane Eisler, and "When God Was A Woman," by Merlin Stone, if you have not already done so.  Ashley Montague wrote for the cover of "The Chalice and the Blade," "The most important book since Darwin's "Origin of the Species."  But, of course, we are now finding out that Darwin wasn't all 'right' anyway. I am very much looking forward to Bruce Lipton's new book: "Spontaneous Evolution" which should be released sometime this year.  I have not as yet had the chance to review this book, but it is my understanding that in it, Bruce, along with co-author, Steve Bhaerman, takes on Darwin and beginst to set the record straight.    

For me, in researching The Sacred Quest, the contributions of the above-referenced writer's were extremely important in revealing parts of his/her story that have remained hidden from view. And, in particular, parts related to "her story," the omission of which turned women into second class citizens for thousands of years. And, I feel it is now time for the truth to set us free. So, it is as another woman that I ask you to read these tombs of information. What was surprising to me was the role that cattle played in the ancient past, and continue to play today, in shaping our world.  From my point of view, they aided in the creation of what I refer to as "the Kurgan Cattle Culture" which was carried to six continents on the back of "the world steer". In modern times, this movement has been known as "colonialization" and more recently as "globalization."    

But then getting back to the environment, ethical land use and fair distribution of resources, and how corporate practices effect us, both cattle and coffee are devastating to the planet and human life when the whole dynamic is considered. But I cannot argue with what you say about coffee, Dr/ Rima, except to ask: "How do we ensure "proper" use?  Creating laws certainly doesn't provide an answer.  And, the same goes for beef.  From where I sit, cattle-raising is the largest driver of forced migration in the world, but coffee-growing is also a major contributor as people are driven off of lands formerly used for subsistence farming as the large agribusinesses take over the land.  In another message, Bill Ellis attributes food shortages to people not having the money to purchase food, but I maintain that it is because people have been deprived of land upon which to grow their own food.  Agriculture has not proven to be a more efficient means of feeding the world. In fact, it is extremely wasteful.  Here is an excellent article by John Robbins, (author of "The Food Revolution") entitled "May All Be Fed."  http://www.wearsthebaby.com/mayallbefed.html

While I agree with you, Dr. Rima re: "Viva la difference," I don't believe that it is so much about "different strokes for different folks" today,.but is about what the changing world climate is demanding of us, and what it will continue to demand in the future. Things we just don't have any control over any more as Mother Nature rears her head..BTW, while I call myself a vegetarian, I do include a few eggs and small amounts of chicken and fish in my diet upon occasion. My main concern for diet though, is concerned with pH balance and my state of mind. .  

However, I must also tell you that there is another thought that has crossed my mind. With regard to the story of how your husband was able to transform his thinking to accept a meatless diet, and you were not, knowing of Bruce Lipton's research in the field of 'epigenetics, as a cellular biologist, I cannot help but wonder if your sub-conscious mind is not holding you in your pattern of meat-eating. It is possible to change one's DNA and thus release oneself from habits embedded in the sub-conscious mind.  With deep respect, may I suggest that you either contact Bruce personally and discuss this possibility with him, or perhaps attend his retreat in Denver in September, and go deeper into this.  .

I notice that you mention an example of what is happening with hormone laden beef and export from the U.S. into the U.K. under CODEX, and how it operates to force the U.K. to accept this beef against their wishes, on the Interview recorded on your website by Liz Lipinski. http://www.innovativehealing.com/topics/codex/#teleseminar   I support you in every way in your fight against CODEX.  But the whole story surrounding the story of beef, coffee, exotic fruit, along with the story of Coca-cola, and other products, is horrendous, and we must do everything we can to expose the whole dynamic to the public.You are to be commended on closing your medical clinic in order to take a stand against CODEX, as is your husband, Major General Bert Stubblebine III (Retired), who has joined with you in this fight. But let us, please, not stop at this point.  I urge everyone on the Co-Learner's list to listen to the recordings of this interview explaining how CODEX works and how it will affect all of us with regard to health freedom if not stopped.  .

I really feel that personal contact between you, Bert, and Bruce Lipton is important in moving forward on this, as knowing Bruce, and his goals, as I have come to do,  the three of you are very closely linked.    .       .  .     

With love and in gratitude, for all that you do, Rima, and as well, Bert; and for all that we can do together if we put our minds to it. . 

mary rose

We must be the change we wish to see in the world.  M. Gandhi  





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