[GJM] Good progress/some breakthrough with DK -- action needed

Wed Jan 23 07:27:20 MST 2008

Robert , Please do somethinbg for the font size of your mails. It is difficult to read...

robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
  Dear Rodney,

Yes, I agree with what you say comme toujours,
and as far as it goes. In TFE NGOs concerned with BE,
and other similiar notions would be more powerful than
they are today. Their progress would be quickened with
the help of financial emporwerment by means of grants,
and interest free loans in certain cases.

What I am proposing is a "honey-trap" for the rich,
and the super rich as far as the possible introduction
of Transfinancial Economics is concerned(when it gets
some credible backing from certain experts, and other
people of influence). This can be interpreted as the
"Trojan Horse Effect" as mentioned in an early email
to the discussion group.

In other words, the introduction of a Transfinancial
economy would mean ofcourse that the NGOs concerned
with 
global justice would be able to challenge the rich,
and super-rich as never before. This is due to their
greater financial empowerment. Hence, an "equal
playing field" would be developed unwittingly
sanctioned indirectly by the rich, and the super
rich!! However, the success of this will also depend
not only on grants to NGOs but also ofcourse on public
support. If the latter is not forthcomeing the new
unearned funding could be decreased, or stopped
altogether. 

As for the Corporations, and indeed, small companies 
they would behave more "ethically" as far as the
environment is concerned as there would ofcourse be
very powerful financial incentives to do just that.
These "financial incentives" would mainly be created
out of new unearned money to accelarate progress. If
changes like this do become self-financing in some
way, and even profitable then interest free loans
would be applied for. 

This like BE could also open up shares for people
especially the "capitaless" ones due to the productive
activities of Corporations, and indeed, smaller-type
companies. Yet, productive activities done in this
manner would not be absolutely necessary in the future
as it would be possible to provide for the capitaless
without public money, or profits from companies, or
any other earned means in the present
economy....revolutionary stuff ofcourse! 

Here, TFE goes beyond BE in an extraordinary
manner.....I feel that humanity does have the MENTAL
MATURITY to accept an approach like mine because
otherwise who knows what will happen to our world??!

When my book entitled The Non-Taxation Revolution;
Monetary Reform, and Global Justice has been published
I hope to get certain strategies for change underway.
I do not intend to do nothing. Au contraire in a few
years time things will start moving....

At present, I am purely at the theoretical stage, and
something as great, and important as TFE requires alot
of thought, and innovation for it to be more
acceptable especially to the rich, and super-rich who
have the greatest influence in the world. They could
push First World governments to taking TFE seriously.
Something about all this appears in a section in the
Kheper essay. This I feel rightly, or wrongly would be
the quickest way of achieving a tax, and interest free
world but within a competative capitalist context. 

A moral crusade against the money power, and its like
would ofcourse be preferable. Yet, ironically this
maybe possible when TFE becomes a
reality..........perhaps in the next two decades or so
if everything goes to plan....

Regards,

Robert Searle 

--- Rodney Shakespeare
wrote:

> Dear Robert,
> The Kondratieff analysis of the situation is that
> there is a long period of depression (maybe twenty
> years) , much bankruptcy, unemploymnet etc and then
> things start to brighten. During the depression 
> unpayable debt and all the untenable positions get
> smashed out of the system the hard way.
> 
> So you could do nothing and rely on things perking
> up again in, say, twenty years.
> But doing nothing means (a) doing nothing about the
> misery during the depression and b) doing nothing to
> stop it all happening again and c) doing nothing to
> ensure that a better system comes into being. Doing
> nothing is not acceptable to the GJM.
> 
> So what we have to do is:
> a) face up to the reality of what is almost
> certainly happening
> b propose that which, quietly and powerfully, 
> builds anew -- interest-free loans for the
> development and spreading of productive and the
> associated consuming capacity. Among other things,
> this avoids the build-up of the economic cycles and
> is also more efficient and just etc.
> 
> LaRouche is talking about bankrupting the system --
> but it will probably bankrupt itself and LaRouche
> does NOT have what you need next -- the overall
> policy to build anew for the future. The LaRouche
> proposal, as far as it can ascertained (and don't
> forget Moeen Yaseen has tried, and failed, to get
> the detail on it) would be to use national
> bank-issued money in some way but not as to spread
> productive capacity -- most people would be only
> allowed to earn via their labour and rich
> capitalists would get even richer -- for all its
> rhetoric the LaRouche movement does not have the
> economic democracy which spreads capital ownership.
> 
> As regards fighting the money power it is not easy
> but the key to it is to get general recognition that
> a) money is created out of nothing
> b) interest is added (and need not be added,
> certainly for productive capacity)
> c) the money is NOT directed at the development and
> spreading of productive capacity
> 
> Plus, of course, to stimulate willingness to work
> for a more just economy etc.
> 
> .
> 
> Rodney Shakespeare
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "robert searle" 
> To: "Discussion Forum for Global Justice"
> 
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [GJM] Good progress/some breakthrough
> with DK -- action needed
> 
> 
> > Dear All,
> > 
> > On moral grounds I do believe that bankers
> should
> > not get fat on interest. But the chances of this
> > happening at record speed with the kind of
> problems
> > that are emerging in the world seems to me
> extremely
> > unlikely. This is the key point if we are
> genuinely
> > realistic, and sensible.... 
> > 
> > Even if there is a more enlightened government in
> > America it is going to be very difficult to fight
> the
> > money power. Social Credit in Canada tried to
> reform
> > it but ofcourse failed in the beginning of the
> 20th
> > century. Banks used the Courts to delay, and
> indeed,
> > stop any serious changes to their business. 
> > 
> > What chance have we today unless there is a really
> > huge amount of public support. Some say the credit
> > crunch could be a factor leading to interest free
> > monetary reform. Is this likely...hardly. But, I
> hope
> > I am mistaken.
> > 
> > So,what is more important? Is it really wise with
> > global warming over the horizon to try to reform
> > banks, or is it more vital to get social,
> economic,
> > and political change underway even though it means
> the
> > rich getting richer, BUT the poor would also get
> > richer in Transfinancial Economics?? 
> > 
> > It is far more sensible to work with the bankers,
> and
> > corporations in such a way as to allow them to
> profit
> > but with projects that create greater
> sustainability
> > at all levels of life, and also bizarrely bring
> about
> > greater global justice! 
> > 
> > If you do not understand the above it would be to
> read
> > my piece on TFE onsite. 
> > 
> > R.Searle
> > 
> > 
> > --- Rodney Shakespeare
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> Dear Mukhtar,
> >> GJM is totally for ecosafety projects, small, 
> >> medium and large, using interest-free loans
> (issued
> >> from the national banks). This halves, even
> >> quarters, the usual cost.
> >> 
> >> Such issuance does not give any profit to
> >> conventional banks because they do not issue the
> >> loans (although they may administer them) 
> >> 
> >> GJM in no way supports conventional banks issuing
> >> interest-bearing money for such projects.
> >> 
> >> Rodney
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam 
> >> To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice 
> >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:06 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [GJM] Good progress/some
> breakthrough
> >> with DK -- action needed
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Dear Robert,
> >> 
> >> GREETING FOR PEACE
> >> 
> >> I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY DISCUSS WHAT
> EXPENSIVE
> >> PROJECT WOULD BE. INTERFAITH COMMONS INCLUDE
> >> PROHIBITION OF USURY. IAM QUITE OPPOSSED TO
> >> EXPENSIVE PROJECTS FOR ECOSAFETY.. THAT IS GIVING
> >> BANKS MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CREATING MONEY OUT
> OF
> >> THIN AIR..
> >> 
> >> robert searle wrote:
> >> Dear Muhammad Mukhar Alam,et al,
> >> 
> >> Ofcourse interest free loans would certainly
> >> be very helpful for environmental progress..
> But
> >> the
> >> most important, and most expensive
> eco-projects
> >> would
> >> ideally require the authorized transmission
> of
> >> new
> >> non-repayable capital (ie the Transfinancial
> >> Paradigm)in instalments, and be carefully
> >> monitored by
> >> the relevant authorities to avoid fraud.
> >> 
> >> Using earned money would be extremely
> difficult
> >> to
> >> raise if not impossible in many cases but
> until
> >> there
> >> is a paradigm shift(ie.TFE) in the
> understanding
> >> of
> >> capital then there is a REAL DANGER of the
> human
> >> race
> >> being largely if not wholly wiped out.....!!!
> IT
> >> IS
> >> AS SIMPLE AS THAT! TFE is at the BASIS of
> 
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