[GJM] #853, Re, [FixGov] THE COMING END OF DEMOCRACY?
wesburt at juno.com
wesburt at juno.com
Sun Jan 20 19:21:26 MST 2008
Dear Bruce,
Thank you for keeping me on your copy list and for
your thoughtful and sincere article which might be
entitled: "Democracy Sucks Without The Law, and
the US abandoned the Law in the 1890s." I used
the FixGov copy of your article for this reply because
I share with Mary Rose and Bill Ellis their preference
for a decentralized solution for global problems, rather
than the centralized solution you propose because
Western (Anglo/Saxon) Democracy has failed, as
you say.
You write: "The Euro will become accepted as the
only global currency, giving the EU universal political
and economic power." I agree. The Euro nations have,
since World War II, applied the whole Law to their public
sectors as consistently as the US Corporations have,
since the 1890s, applied the whole Law to their private
sector affairs; the public be damned.
Below the brief excerpt from your current article, I have
appended an eight months old copy of our previous
exchange on this subject, as a reminder of how stiff
necked and pig-headed we Americans can be.
As SCREWTAPE said: It is not what we put in their
heads that counts, its what we keep out that keeps
them on their knees; praying, paying, and obeying.
Thanks again Bruce for a concise statement of what
is coming our way.
Kind regards,
Wes Burt
TOP and TWP are cognoscible by sixth graders from
Fig. 7-9.gif on Dr. W. Curtiss Priest's web site:
<http://www.epie.org/cyber-soc/default.htm>
TOP = 100% Capitalism --- TWP = 0 to 50% Capitalism
-------Original Message-------
From: Bruce Porteous
Date: 1/19/2008 10:45:33 PM
Subject: [FixGov] THE COMING END OF DEMOCRACY?
The world is about (to) experience dramatic
political, environmental and economic changes,
which will end with a different world order than
what we are familiar with today. It will bring
an end to western-style democracy.
~~~~~~~~ Snip to last paragraph ~~~~~~~~~
What we are now seeing unfold is the first
stages of the collapse of the Anglo-Saxon
nations that have dominated the world for
the last 200 years – these nation’s economies
will collapse and their people will sink into
abject poverty and slavery. It will be a time
of unprecedented hardship for the people of
the USA, Canada, UK, New Zealand and
Australia. It will result in many dying from
famine and disease – many will be taken into
slavery. It will be a time of great tribulation.
Bruce Porteous
bruceport at xtra.co.nz
19 January, 2008
~~~~ Forwarded Eight Month Old Message ~~~~
From: wesburt at juno.com
To:
garynorth at garynorth.com,
bruceport at xtra.co.nz,
Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net,
FixGov at yahoogroups.com,
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Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 19:33:14 -0400
Subject: Gary North and Bruce Porteous On
The Origin Of TWP (TheWrong Policy)
Dear Advocates Of TOP For A Few and TWP For The Rest,
I am much obliged to Gary North and Bruce Porteous
for their timely reminders of why the Bible is still
our reliable oldest history book. It teaches the law
that was customary when; Abraham paid the first
tithe in B.C. 1913 (the mirror year of Amendment XVI
to the US Constitution) and Melchedizek, King Of
Salem, operated a school to "teach the knowledge
of God," natural law, which like the human beings
it governs, has not changed to this day.
Gary has just concluded a six part series on debt
which may be read at >http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north-arch.html<.
The excerpt below from Part 4:
Government Debt, seems to confirm my reading
of I Kings 12 that 2982 years have elapsed since
King Rehoboam rejected the advice of the old men
and abandoned the laws of Moses in B.C. 975.
This wrong policy remained in force until the
French and American Revolutions, but was quickly
restored in Europe and a century later in the USA.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Part 4: Government Debt, by Gary North
Snip to
CONCLUSION
Western industrial countries became enamored
of government promises in the twentieth century.
These regimes issued promises to the working
population. The government promised to tax
future generations if existing generations would
just consent to mild taxes today. The result is
familiar. The outcome is reported in I Kings 12,
the story of King Rehoboam’s tax increases in Israel.
And he said unto them, What counsel give ye that
we may answer this people, who have spoken to me,
saying, Make the yoke which thy father did put upon
us lighter? And the young men that were grown up
with him spake unto him, saying, Thus shalt thou
speak unto this people that spake unto thee, saying,
Thy father made our yoke heavy, but make thou it
lighter unto us; thus shalt thou say unto them, My
little finger shall be thicker than my father’s loins.
And now whereas my father did lade you with a
heavy yoke, I will add to your yoke: my father hath
chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you
with scorpions (1 Kings 12:9–11).
The result was a successful political revolt. The ten
northern tribes separated from the king’s rule.
Political rulers never seem to learn this lesson. Neither
do their counsellors. But in today’s world, the victims –
taxpayers – are also very slow to learn this lesson.
They wind up stung by scorpions.
There will be a tax revolt at some point. There always is.
But the damage to the economy between now and then
will be substantial. The school of hard knocks imposes
high tuition.
May 17, 2007
Gary North [garynorth at garynorth.com] is the author
of Mises on Money. Visit http://www.garynorth.com.
He is also the author of a free 19-volume series,
An Economic Commentary on the Bible.
Copyright © 2007 LewRockwell.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ End Gary North ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In the excerpt below Bruce Porteous reminds us that the USA
was founded as an agrarian society. The founding Fathers
traveled at the same speed and communicated over the same
distances as Abraham and Melchedizek. We should not be
surprised that the founders focused on the distribution of land
and universal education funded by a public revenue, the only
source of debt free and interest free money in every age. The
task still ahead of us is to extend the biblical solution for an
agrarian society to meet the requirements of our industrial
society: following the teaching of Thomas Paine, Louis Blanc,
Henry Carter Adams, Pope Leo XIII, Bertrand Russell, C. H.
Douglas, and many others who, still living, remain silent.
From: "Bruce - Xtra" bruceport at xtra.co.nz
To: "Bruce - Xtra" bruceport at xtra.co.nz
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 17:56:14 +1200
Subject: REASONS FOR THE CURRENT HOME LENDING CRISIS
Snip to conclusion:
"Many of our problems today stem from our economies
following false theories promoted by economists, rather
than following the economic laws that have been given
to manage our economies in the Bible. If these economic
laws were followed our economies would now be debt
free and prosperous. Following these laws would result
in:: Land distributed evenly amongst the population, and
retained in the ownership of individual families. Land
may not be bought and sold, or used as collateral for
debt. All debts be written off every 7 years, preventing
the financially institutions exploiting the population.
The charging of interest banned within a domestic
economy, eliminating the costs of debt servicing.
If through mis-fortunate families were to lose title
to their land, it will be returned to the family
ownership every 50 years, or the Jubilee Year.
If these basic economic laws were followed, our
society would become extremely wealthy and
productive. Here are just some of the benefits.
The population would have the security of home
ownership with sufficient land for families to be
self-sufficient. Young families would not be
burdened from excessive borrowing to establish
a home – they would only have to raise the finance
to build a house, without the cost of purchasing
the land.
Capital could be invested as equity in productive
enterprises, rather than exploiting others from
interest earned on deposits held in an unproductive
banking system. Equity investment would eliminate
the need for the parasitic banking system being
able to rob the people of their wealth. It will allow
for more equal distribution of wealth – preventing
wealthy financers to exploit the majority of the
population. Agriculture production management
would be sustainable, practicing permaculture
methods, and not burdened with debt-servicing costs.
Rather than borrowing from foreigners, we could
lend to them, earning income from investments
in other countries. There must be a totally new
approach in the way our economies are managed,
before the environment is destroyed, and life
will no longer be habitable on this planet. There
needs to be an alternative economic model that
will reward those who work hard and with
diligence, allow financiers who produce nothing
towards creating national wealth, but rather
enslaving people into bondage through high
interest rates, debt and finance fees there
would no longer be a need if we followed
the Biblical economic laws. It is only then
that we will have true prosperity and financial
freedom.
Bruce Porteous
bruceport at xtra.co.nz
28 April, 2007
References.
Leviticus 25-27 (Sabbatic year and jubilee
year, all the tithe of land, tree, and beast)
Deuteronomy 23:19-20 (Usury for strangers
not for your brothers)
Deuteronomy 28 (Observe and do all of
his commandments)
Exodus 22:25 (No usury on my people)
~~~~~~~~ End Bruce Porteous ~~~~~~~~
A brief excerpt from C. H. Douglas will introduce
figure 17i, Households, and the obstacles to a
serious discussion of what needs to be added
to US public policy to make our investment in
human development; adequate, debt free, and
interest free.
"Warning of Democracy, Third Edition" – 1935,
C. H. Douglas Page 5 of 135:
"In a smaller number of cases, but still quite numerous,
one's criticism of the existing money system, and the
suggestion that it could be improved, provokes the
most furious resentment, akin to the resentment roused
by religious heresy in the Middle Ages."
~~~~~~~~ End C. H. Douglas ~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~ insert Figure 17i, Households ~~~~~
The only serious systemic defect in the US economy
is the 50% capitalization of the expense of human
development, as illustrated in the above Figure 17i,
Households. The US private sector works like a
charm and produces everything for which there is
an effective demand. The US banking system does
its best to supply funds for the speculators and to
compensate for the under capitalized public sector,
so there is no need to discuss corporations and banks.
If your mail service deleted the chart, let me know
and I'll send it as an attached file.
Kind regards,
Wes Burt
TOP and TWP are cognoscible on
Dr. W. Curtiss Priest's web site at:
<http://www.epie.org/cyber-soc/default.htm>
TOP is GOOD --- TWP is EVIL
~~~~ End Eight Month Old Message ~~~~
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