[GJM] a note on science [physical & social] and education of ALL people e.g., oz abc people

[viktor zolotenko]

Bryan Magee, “Popper”, 1978, Fortune:

p41 “The point has been made that at any given time
the over-whelming majority of scientists are not
trying to overthrow the prevailing orthodoxy at all
but are working happily in it.”

WHO sets the agenda for scientists? who writes &
enforces the rules & type of research?

Private [global] corps e.g., bio-patents. Who gets the
benefits & upside? etc...

a. this is a tech spec for a global system of justice:

http://lister.itk.ntnu.no/pipermail/she_forum/2007/000040.html

b. this is a spec for a global system of ethics based
on the work of the dalia lama:

http://lister.itk.ntnu.no/pipermail/she_forum/2006/000163.html

c. see "Day Three: Chooks And Children" at:
http://www.latenightlivetimor.net/?p=19
...
October 15th, 2007 at 10:27 am
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it is a tragedy that the kids are treated worse than
chooks. chooks get feed to ensure they lay some eggs!
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see "Day Four: Balibo" at:
http://www.latenightlivetimor.net/?p=20

Mon 25 Jun 2007
Bartlett under Children & Youth, Northern Territory
intervention 

doctor victor kacala says: 
June 25th, 2007 at 11:26 am 
i went to the cape york institute & gave my set of
skills in the area of system design & management
control feed-back.

at a basic level, the ‘institute’ is a business, with
quiet a few white fascists inserted - the beauty of
looking like a down market dame edna, is that people
show them-selves i.e., they think u have no power, and
thus show what they are.

noel pearson, based on what i know, does not have the
support of the wider community [he may have support in
cape york via a ’set’ of buddies].

the key is that education of kids, is for the most
part, based on the slogans of gurus from WHITE urban
conTEXT. as it turns out, education of whites in urban
jungles are seriously defective - as andrew knows from
his own work in the area [see senate report].

what should abc people learn? how should they be
taught? who should teach? i.e., answer the why, how,
when, where, whom & what questions PLUS a set of
goals, SUITED to the here & now.

i have given an outline in my other comments.

there is a whole industry based on abc people, and
they form a VERY powerful [i.e., they do NOT want to
lose money, power social credit] BLOCK to fixing
systemic inter-generational violence for abc people.

i repeat: lit & num in FAIR play, a system to BLOCK
violence [mental & physical] on kids, checks & info
[VALID], use abc ART [dance, music, painting] as a key
forum for learning.

sport & rules for sport can form a basis for learning
rules in a more general setting - use linked [via
computer video] communities AND use stories FROM a
local context, BUILT by kids of any age. use kids as
TEACHERS, where teachers [they do NOT need to be
qualified] are the managers, rather than the fountains
of wisdom & nice-NESS.

GIVE kids THIS outline. they can improve what i say,
and what u say, such that it suits kids & allow a max
level of low ris, max fun frame work to develop i.e.,
kids will teach adults of all ages, including tribal
elders.

improve food and health care for all, using the ideas
of the abc kids & wise elders.

doctor victor kacala says: 
June 25th, 2007 at 3:45 pm 
i think i might add a note that is of general issue
about science [physical & social] and education of ALL
people, at a global level.

let me give u a quote that puts the above in a proper
social context - this is more about science rather
than engineers who do stuff i.e., make stuff that
works.

it is very hard to ‘kill’ a dominant set of ideas: see
“the Prince” by the master blaster from the past.

This is a quote from Bryan Magee, “Popper”, 1978,
Fortune:

p41 “The point has been made that at any given time
the over-whelming majority of scientists are not
trying to overthrow the prevailing orthodoxy at all
but are working happily in it.”

this is the issue for social & physical sciences,
especially social sciences such as psychO, sociology,
economics AND so on


it is extremely hard in the social sciences to prove
some thing is fluff using fluff as a substitute;
physical sciences do have at least some hope of
dis-prove by an alternative that has evidence using
physical evidence, that may be in fact ‘invented’.

thus, in large measure, social sciences can neither be
proved or dis-proved AND so nothing ever changes e.g.,
psyho-analysis in psyh is one of the biggest cons ever
perpetrated on the human species [an HUGE disaster in
the area of education]. Getting education gurus to
admit they ‘got it wrong’ is a near impossible task,
given that many build their social status, power base
and income on this drivel.

so, since pollies have kids & are not often pysho
people, then pollies will take decisive action to save
THEIR kids, and so other kids also. in fact, there are
large numbers of lawyers [not every one’s cup of
coffee or tea] who slide and slip through the alleys
of polly power systems, at all levels.

now i wonder, would these people actually get their
act together?

yes, they have an OVER-whelming REASON :=: THEIR kids
and as an after-think, every one else’s kids.

so andrew, do u have your leverage point_$$$ with
other pollies? 

doctor victor kacala says: 
June 26th, 2007 at 2:54 pm 
i have read your comments policy, for the first time -
i figured that one out for myself [strikes me as fair
and reasonable].

how hard should we push the boundaries of ‘free’
speech? i advocate FAIR, rather than free speech, esp’
if u are in a position of power relative to the person
or group who u attack. in this sense, it is always
[NEARLY] best to err on the side of caution when in a
position of great power UNLESS u must act.

so, i agree with RED CRAB that education for abc
people, and other people, is crucial.

who should decide on:

a: CONtent,

b. CONtext,

c. CONduct?

to a max extent, kids should decide the a,b,c issues
above - kids already have wisdom & local knowledge
about a wide range of issues [some good & evil].

it is important for kids NOT to crucify adults in
their community; this has already been done to adult
abc people via their history & whites in the past.

build on what kids know & they can teach adults the
basics in literacy & numeracy in ethics e.g., sport &
cooking are two key areas that all kids know at least
a little.

kids can use the POS aspects of their social history
[such as art, bush craft, etc] and NEG aspects
[in-direct ONLY] of their current situation.

kids forgive far more quickly than adults, & so a
private SORRY can quickly heal [in part] some of a
chid’s pain.

abc adults must forgive themselves, starting with “i
will NOT do that again” PRIVATELY to them selves.

a round of finger pointing & revenge will mean adults
will shut down & no change of attitude will occur for
people who hold power in the community.

i have had a lot of personal experience with
alcoholics [family, social system & where i am forced
to live].

the idea that u simply CUT the supply of alcohol will
NOT work - the gov is trying a very big step that will
cause a lot of pain to adults. alcoholism is a disease
- it will cause a HUGE amount of un-necessary pain.

the ‘trick’ is to BLOCK the effects from kids etc
 

doctor victor kacala says: 
June 29th, 2007 at 10:24 am 
bell, it is NOT a good idea to choose to any person on
the basis of skin colour, religion, sex, sexuality,
‘genetics’ [however defined], etC


we are all mongrels, any way.

so, this is my problem for all social criteria that
uses implicit [often hidden from a wider public &
scrutiny] or explicit [butt hidden under terms that
cannot be defined or known to the ’select few’, or
buzz words used by FAT-mice, under the banner of a
BENCH_mARK].

i see sea marTON of nt as a prime case of a chook,
dressED up as a turkey, in her mode of speech, tone
and the slogans born from abc/ETc.

“less is more” saID t. sizer, a guru of the mind, in
prime prim, in sin-EDUCATION for the train, in machine
of HARD-wire. 

doctor victor kacala says: 
June 30th, 2007 at 4:53 pm 
can u DEFINE culture for any SOCIAL group or any
person.

the word “culture” is used like an umbrella to hide
the hidden culture, to hide unfair acts of violence.

take the POS aspects of the past & cut the idea that
primitive is PRIME in a ‘fair’ society.

is oz fair? no. so, what do u suggest to make it fair?

i have my own identity that is my culture or SOUL.

i used speech & the written word to define who i am &
what guides my actions & in-action.

thus, i have ONE religion that i define as my soul
with any errors in speech or my taPESTry on this &
other web-sites.

i just went to a speech by a official from venezuela -
i gave him a book to give to chavez called “elements
of justice”, with a big bunch of comments inside [plus
a photo].

i asked him to help me claim polly asylum in russia,
cuba or vene’.

like i said, i do not think that the west can get rid
of the fascists we have in power.

of course, if u kiss the right butts, u will get u
feed, but u have lost u freedom.


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