[GJM] Paula Gloria and Robert Ashford!!

[Zack Johnson]

 All I can say is that takes a real bird-brain to compare the economic
activity of humans to the activity of birds.

And what kind of bird-brained logic is this?:

"Land, however, does not grow.  The Earth is the same size as it has
always been.  If the Earth is physically a zero sum economy, and we are
of the Earth, then how can we not have a zero sum economy?"

The Earth is however not an economy but a factor of production.

Zack

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Steve Consilvio"
  To: discussion at globaljusticemovement.net
  Subject: Re: [GJM] Paula Gloria and Robert Ashford!!
  Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:37:42 -0500

  Zack,
  Can you explain to me why the new high school in my town cost more
  than the Louisiana purchase?
  The mosquitoes of "a zero sum economy" bite people the same way from
  generation to generation, but man has an odd habit of putting numbers
  on things.  Numbers are not a zero-sum economy, they grow, rather
  wildly.  (aka inflation)  Land, however, does not grow.  The Earth is
  the same size as it has always been.  If the Earth is physically a
  zero sum economy, and we are of the Earth, then how can we not have a
  zero sum economy?
  You may think you created "furniture," but it is still just a tree,
  with some labor added, and you cannot create the tree, you can only
  harvest it.  Birds build nests.  So should we say that  birds make
  "stuff exist" through economic activity?  
  How is it possible that birds can engage in so much "economic
  activity" without the need for deeds, money or inflation?  If we are
  smarter than them, then why do we have problems that they do not?  If
  we are so good at "civilization," then what is the purpose of trying
  to fix "global justice?"  According to you, nothing is broken.  We
  live in the best of all possible world, we are "civilized."
  My quote of Ashford is the same as what you said he said.  There is
  no difference between "capital creates capital," and "acquiring
  capital with the earnings of capital."  Nor did I say it was wrong, I
  simply said that the addition of computers was not significant.  You
  perhaps think computers are the hallmark of civilization.  I think
  your historical benchmarks are in error, just as his are.  We only
  need computers because we are so stupid, and have an odd fear and
  fascination numbers.
  Smell the coffee.  Coffee is the stuff of nature, not civilization. 
  We need the Earth, the Earth does not need us, nor our numbers.  We
  don't need the numbers either, but if we are going to use them,
  2+2=4.
  peace,steve consilviowww.behappyandfree.com


  On TuesdayJan 8, 2008, at 3:39 PM,
  discussion-request at globaljusticemovement.net wrote:

    Steve, you write:


    "Robert Ashford states that 'once you understand that capital
    creates its

    own capital'..."


    You really are a goosey little fellow, aren't you? Ashford never
    said

    the words you attribute to him, not anything even close. It's
    just

    something you, not Ashford, dreamed up. What he talks repeatedly
    of is

    "the right to acquire capital with the earnings of capital."


    And your continual rants are just laughable. For example, the
    ludicrous

    point about the economy being a "zero sum game."


    Just look around you my friend. Smell the coffee. Wake up. See
    all the

    stuff that exists, the furniture in your room, the streets
    outside, the

    buildings, factories and farms all around you. That stuff exists,
    and

    was created through economic activity. It is the stuff of
    civilization.


    A "zero sum" economy is the economy of mosquitoes, not conscious
    human

    beings who build from generation to generation.


    Zack

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