[GJM] Paula Gloria and Robert Ashford!!

[Steve Consilvio]

Zack,

Can you explain to me why the new high school in my town cost more  
than the Louisiana purchase?

The mosquitoes of "a zero sum economy" bite people the same way from  
generation to generation, but man has an odd habit of putting numbers  
on things.  Numbers are not a zero-sum economy, they grow, rather  
wildly.  (aka inflation)  Land, however, does not grow.  The Earth is  
the same size as it has always been.  If the Earth is physically a  
zero sum economy, and we are of the Earth, then how can we not have a  
zero sum economy?

You may think you created "furniture," but it is still just a tree,  
with some labor added, and you cannot create the tree, you can only  
harvest it.  Birds build nests.  So should we say that  birds make  
"stuff exist" through economic activity?

How is it possible that birds can engage in so much "economic  
activity" without the need for deeds, money or inflation?  If we are  
smarter than them, then why do we have problems that they do not?  If  
we are so good at "civilization," then what is the purpose of trying  
to fix "global justice?"  According to you, nothing is broken.  We  
live in the best of all possible world, we are "civilized."

My quote of Ashford is the same as what you said he said.  There is  
no difference between "capital creates capital," and "acquiring  
capital with the earnings of capital."  Nor did I say it was wrong, I  
simply said that the addition of computers was not significant.  You  
perhaps think computers are the hallmark of civilization.  I think  
your historical benchmarks are in error, just as his are.  We only  
need computers because we are so stupid, and have an odd fear and  
fascination numbers.

Smell the coffee.  Coffee is the stuff of nature, not civilization.   
We need the Earth, the Earth does not need us, nor our numbers.  We  
don't need the numbers either, but if we are going to use them, 2+2=4.

peace,
steve consilvio
www.behappyandfree.com



On TuesdayJan 8, 2008, at 3:39 PM, discussion- 
request at globaljusticemovement.net wrote:

>  Steve, you write:
>
> "Robert Ashford states that 'once you understand that capital  
> creates its
> own capital'..."
>
> You really are a goosey little fellow, aren't you?  Ashford never said
> the words you attribute to him, not anything even close.  It's just
> something you, not Ashford, dreamed up.  What he talks repeatedly  
> of is
> "the right to acquire capital with the earnings of capital."
>
> And your continual rants are just laughable.  For example, the  
> ludicrous
> point about the economy being a "zero sum game."
>
> Just look around you my friend.  Smell the coffee.  Wake up.  See  
> all the
> stuff that exists, the furniture in your room, the streets outside,  
> the
> buildings, factories and farms all around you.  That stuff exists, and
> was created through economic activity.  It is the stuff of  
> civilization.
>
> A "zero sum" economy is the economy of mosquitoes, not conscious human
> beings who build from generation to generation.
>
> Zack

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