[GJM] More Fun, and Games with Group8 ! ...Final Comments...!!

[robert searle]

Dear All,

        I unsubscribed from Gang8 as I thought the
comments on TFE by the two learned gents was frankly
daft. Though it was amusing in some ways it was also
insulting. In a strange sort of way it reminded me a
bit like being told by certain "respected"  academics
that the Jewish holocaust did not happen... even
though there is evidence to back it up that it clearly
did along with the appalling photos. In other words,
an insult by those who are meant to know better!!

Anyway,at the time of writing my intervention has to
some a limited extent possibly  re-awakened interest
on "radical" monetary reform at the Gang8 yahoo
discussion group..

Significantly, my link to the present internet essay
on Transfinancial Economics still remains (at their
links section of their discussion group). It has not
been deleted by the moderator which again suggests
that my project is not totally "nutty" but rather
revolutionary. I believe TFE represents the future.

In spite of the "Soviet" style censorship of the
discussion group it shows that the moderator does have
some sense of fair play. Good on him!

Robert Searle


--- "Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam"
<mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Robert,
>    
>   Interest free credit creation indeed has opponents
> but then  that is how things have been. We need to
> argue more for it as usurious finance system is
> expanding the ecologically hostile habitats .
>    
>   Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
> 
> Rodney Shakespeare
> <rodney.shakespeare1 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>           Robert, 
>   Ten days ago I told the Global Table that I
> thought your intervention with gang8 would have
> consequences -- and I am beginning to suspect that
> could be right.
>    
>   You see the gang is really a group of very
> disparate but brilliant individuals with not much of
> a coherent philosophy binding them but they stay
> together because they can  always rely on the others
> for top-class information and comment and,
> psychologically, they feel themselves a little group
> which is superior to others.
>    
>   But Hudson has very different aims to those of
> right-wing Gardiner,. for example, and the money
> suppply issue is also one which hits on the the
> sensitive spots in the group and results in the
> weird, extraordinary remarks being made to you.
>    
>     You may or may not know that the group
> quarrelled massively with Zarlenga and also with the
> most brilliant person of them all -- Henry Liu of
> The Asia Times.
>    
>   Yes I am impressed with your "fun and games" with
> gang8 -- I was absolutely astounded to see that you
> had somewhow locked horns with them!
>    
>   It was great so see you on Wednesday -- Global and
> then the evening meeting.
>    
>   Rodney Shakespeare.
>    
>    
>   ----- Original Message -----   From: "robert
> searle" <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk>
>   To: "Discussion Forum for Global Justice"
> <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
>   Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:15 PM
>   Subject: Re: [GJM] More Fun, and Games with Group8
> ! ..... Interesting...!!
> 
>   
> 
> > Dear All,
> > 
> > 
> >       I had assumed that my response to Bezemer
> was
> > not going to appear on the Gang8 yahoo discussion
> > group. I have just received a message from the
> > moderator who initially claimed that it would only
> be
> > a private message not a public one. Now, we
> discover
> > that it appears on their discussion group website.
> > 
> > This suggests to me that TFE is making waves with
> > Gang8 group which appears to consist of alot of
> > "conservative" economists(!). 
> > 
> > Obviously, my research, and development project is
> not
> > as "nutty" as it appears. There seems to be a
> tacit
> > realization of the "fantastical" implications of
> TFE
> > but it would probably not receive any kind of
> public
> > endorsement from the present academics who are
> members
> > of Gang8. The discussion group is heavily censored
> (
> > reminiscent to the old Soviet Union tactics!!!)but
> it
> > is interesting that the TFE posts were accepted,
> and
> > published. So, I must be saying something right
> even
> > if it flies in the face of mainstream economics.
> > Ofcourse, there will also be those who will
> denigrate
> > it partly out of misunderstanding, ignorance, or
> even
> > deliberately to protect the status quo.
> > 
> > When I saw Rodney Shakespeare last Wednesday he
> seemed
> > to be impressed about my "fun, and games" with
> Gang8.
> > However, this is just the begining. When in a few
> > years TFE (along with Positive Human Politics, or
> > PHP)becomes better known in academia it will shake
> the
> > very foundations of mainstream economics. This
> will
> > probably be bolstered with the successful
> research,
> > and development of high flexible electronic
> controls
> > over inflation levels.
> > 
> > More astonishingly for some the chances of TFE
> > becoming a reality I believe is high. It may take
> upto
> > two decades if a campaign is launched in the next
> > three years, or so. The reason why I say this is
> > because TFE can greatly benefit the corporations,
> and
> > banks but at the same time it will benefit the
> > development of global justice. This sounds
> "nutty",
> > and understandably interest free monetary
> reformers
> > may find this morally "outrageous." Yet, I feel
> the
> > issue of global justice is what matters most
> rather
> > than whether fat cats get fatter, or not!!!
> > 
> > Ofcourse, the issue of economic inequality is a
> very
> > important aspect of global justice. But, with TFE
> in
> > place NGOs big, and small will become far more
> > influential in society for such change because
> they
> > would have an excellent funding unlike now. 
> > 
> > What matters NOW is creating a new advanced
> financial
> > system which allows for such greater positive
> > developments in society, the economy, and
> politics.
> > The future can never be without risks though yet I
> do
> > feel that we are entering into a wonderful golden
> age
> > of change. It is an exciting time to be around....
> > 
> > 
> > R.Searle
> > 
> > 
> > PS.
> > 
> >    Perhaps significantly, the most recent Gang8
> posts
> > still carry the words "Transfinancial Economics
> > Project.." even though the subject-matter may not
> be
> > relevant.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> I was amused to read the moderators public
> decision
> >> for me not to have more of my email published on
> >> their
> >> yahoo discussion group website. Frankly, I could
> not
> >> give two hoots, and I will be unsubscribing.
> >> No doubt this would please Bezemer, and Gardiner
> >> along
> >> with others of their kind........!!! It was a
> good
> >> laugh anyway as revealed below, and to some
> extent
> >> indicated in the previous emails. 
> >> 
> >> R.Searle
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --- "D.J.Bezemer" <d.j.bezemer at rug.nl> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > dear Robert,
> >> > 
> >> > Why spent most of your precious writing time
> >> bashing
> >> > and trashing?
> 
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