[GJM] Is Global Justice an Insane Idea?? Apologies Spelling Correction in Title!

[robert searle]

--- robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Dear Viktor Zolotenko, et al,
> 
> 
> You seem to be talking better sense especially in
> the
> first paragraph otherwise the rest is just ramble,
> ramble with little real coherence, and meaning.
> However, you do raise an important question...
> 
> 
>           Is Global Justice an insane idea? 
> 
> 
> The answer to this is that I believe it to be
> largely
> possible. I do not think we will have complete
> global
> justice...maybe in the far future perhaps. But the
> point is that at least we should try, and change the
> world for the good no matter what....and yes, it is
> extremely difficult to do so. 
> 
> 
> R.Searle
> 
> 
> 
> --- viktor zolotenko <zolotenko at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > dear searle,
> > 
> > can u define the sanity/insanity partition? i
> think
> > not - still, i guess the idea of "global-JUSTICE"
> is
> > an insane idea? based on your input, i guess u are
> > the
> > same as i if u think global justice is possible.
> > 
> > still, perhaps you can outline YOUR simple
> strategy
> > and systems to achieve 'global' peace?
> > 
> > based on what i have read, it is easy to simply
> > attach
> > a label based on what u see as 'drivel'.
> > 
> > i have specific tech to do the job - see below.
> > 
> > so far, i see a clear lack of coherence about HOW
> > and
> > a specific system design for cleaning up global
> > financial systems & attacking endemic greed &
> > eco-genocide.
> > 
> > some comments to an editor.
> > 
> > a. thanks, i agree.
> > 
> > i can be very simple and direct.
> > 
> > so, i will take your views as 'fair'.
> > thank u,
> > for your precision,
> > and fair & reasonABLE 'order'
> > i.e., after all,
> > u are the editor.
> > 
> > so, i think i might send u another
> > set of linked ideas.
> > 
> > the first step must be simple
> > e.g., u=i?
> > 
> > i attach some ideas that u may find useful.
> > 
> > as a general matter, the human species is in deep
> > poo;
> > and as a result, so is all life as we know it.
> > 
> > the usa and the west have become the key reason
> why
> > this is so i.e., greed of no bound, arrogance of
> > 'intelligence' & a dose of revenge on an 'as
> > required'
> > basis per 911 wars. greed does not play by any
> rules
> > that are in the public domain.
> > 
> > at a basic level, we need a common set of ideas to
> > serve as a basis for 'fair trade'.
> > 
> > at the moment, we have systemic and entrenched
> greed
> > across the globe. human history is not very
> > 'pretty',
> > including oz & usa [who seem to think that 'we
> have
> > a
> > "special" place on the global stage BASED on ideas
> > of
> > rights & fair play].
> > 
> > to single out ANY
> > sect/cult/group/state/nation/sex/'race' etC
> > is an error of fact
> > i.e., {greed arrogance revenge}=evil is blind to
> > sex/race/time...
> > 
> > further, people with this mind 'virus' are not
> > easily
> > moved by evidence, facts or reason i.e., a threat
> is
> > often the only thing that gives FORCE to any
> > negotiation in any conflict. kids are often
> 'killed'
> > via a mind control social system - some groups are
> > better at building "them versus us" than other
> > groups/sects. the basic strategy is the "art of
> > war",
> > with some 'flair' of any given sect/cult/...
> > 
> > there is no value in any debate with a HARD
> > fundamentalist of ANY creed or breed i.e., reason
> > has
> > no room to play with ideas and a FEASIBLE solution
> > space for a FAIR [contingent] result.
> > 
> > b. see some ideas below.
> > 
> > some ideas on going to "global justice"
> > a. some ideas on ethics, govern=manage
> >
>
http://www.globaljusticemovement.net/pipermail/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net/2006-May/003363.html
> > 
> > b. this is a tech spec for a global system of
> 'fair'
> > markets & some tech fluff to 'confuse the 'enemy'
> >
>
http://lister.itk.ntnu.no/pipermail/she_forum/2007/000040.html
> > 
> > C. the key problem we have is that greed has the
> > resources & 'command & control' structures in
> place
> > at
> > a global level. thus, "human rights" movements are
> > controlled by the very people who are the problem.
> > 
> > further, any attack on part of this system can be
> > diverted into a waste basket with ease via legal
> > [EDITORS of a key distribution channel[s] or
> illegal
> > means [who defines what is 'torture' or illegal
> > actions when u have gwb+cronies in place?]. those
> > who
> > write/interpret/enforce and determine the flow of
> > 'facts'/idea$/timing determine the result$.
> > 
> > the BEST hope is to convince people in power that
> > it is in THEIR best interests to adapt.
> > 
> > i know many of the senators in usa via pbs with
> jim
> > lehrer [biased, but i am very good on tone &
> context
> > &
> > key ideas].
> > 
> > the usa polly system is corrupt & rotten to the
> core
> > -
> > corps + lobby groups plus entrenched arrogance of
> > your
> > academics and centres of 'governance' are crucial
> > issues. further, the media is dominated by a small
> > number of voices [who are very biased & selective
> > about what info and data is put on the public
> > domain].
> > 
> > europe is no better.
> > 
> > in my view, western polly systems have become the
> > globe's worst night mare - i kid u*not.
> > 
> > i have put my views on these matters on the public
> > domain that u can check on "victor kacala" - i add
> > one
> > below [from senator bartlett[oz] web*sight].
> > 
> > it is simple, i can USE my system but cannot build
> > it
> > via softwire. greed has a habit of KILLING any and
> > all
> > that stand in the road e.g., mlkJNR.
> > 
> > it is almost certain that asio & afp have ‘tabs’
> on
> > me
> > [even if they think i am a bit of a ‘fruit-cake’].
> i
> > made a lot of noise in canberra [e.g., applied for
> 
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