[GJM] Is Global Justice an Insance Idea??

[robert searle]

Dear Viktor Zolotenko, et al,


You seem to be talking better sense especially in the
first paragraph otherwise the rest is just ramble,
ramble with little real coherence, and meaning.
However, you do raise an important question...


          Is Global Justice an insane idea? 


The answer to this is that I believe it to be largely
possible. I do not think we will have complete global
justice...maybe in the far future perhaps. But the
point is that at least we should try, and change the
world for the good no matter what....and yes, it is
extremely difficult to do so. 


R.Searle



--- viktor zolotenko <zolotenko at yahoo.com> wrote:

> dear searle,
> 
> can u define the sanity/insanity partition? i think
> not - still, i guess the idea of "global-JUSTICE" is
> an insane idea? based on your input, i guess u are
> the
> same as i if u think global justice is possible.
> 
> still, perhaps you can outline YOUR simple strategy
> and systems to achieve 'global' peace?
> 
> based on what i have read, it is easy to simply
> attach
> a label based on what u see as 'drivel'.
> 
> i have specific tech to do the job - see below.
> 
> so far, i see a clear lack of coherence about HOW
> and
> a specific system design for cleaning up global
> financial systems & attacking endemic greed &
> eco-genocide.
> 
> some comments to an editor.
> 
> a. thanks, i agree.
> 
> i can be very simple and direct.
> 
> so, i will take your views as 'fair'.
> thank u,
> for your precision,
> and fair & reasonABLE 'order'
> i.e., after all,
> u are the editor.
> 
> so, i think i might send u another
> set of linked ideas.
> 
> the first step must be simple
> e.g., u=i?
> 
> i attach some ideas that u may find useful.
> 
> as a general matter, the human species is in deep
> poo;
> and as a result, so is all life as we know it.
> 
> the usa and the west have become the key reason why
> this is so i.e., greed of no bound, arrogance of
> 'intelligence' & a dose of revenge on an 'as
> required'
> basis per 911 wars. greed does not play by any rules
> that are in the public domain.
> 
> at a basic level, we need a common set of ideas to
> serve as a basis for 'fair trade'.
> 
> at the moment, we have systemic and entrenched greed
> across the globe. human history is not very
> 'pretty',
> including oz & usa [who seem to think that 'we have
> a
> "special" place on the global stage BASED on ideas
> of
> rights & fair play].
> 
> to single out ANY
> sect/cult/group/state/nation/sex/'race' etC
> is an error of fact
> i.e., {greed arrogance revenge}=evil is blind to
> sex/race/time...
> 
> further, people with this mind 'virus' are not
> easily
> moved by evidence, facts or reason i.e., a threat is
> often the only thing that gives FORCE to any
> negotiation in any conflict. kids are often 'killed'
> via a mind control social system - some groups are
> better at building "them versus us" than other
> groups/sects. the basic strategy is the "art of
> war",
> with some 'flair' of any given sect/cult/...
> 
> there is no value in any debate with a HARD
> fundamentalist of ANY creed or breed i.e., reason
> has
> no room to play with ideas and a FEASIBLE solution
> space for a FAIR [contingent] result.
> 
> b. see some ideas below.
> 
> some ideas on going to "global justice"
> a. some ideas on ethics, govern=manage
>
http://www.globaljusticemovement.net/pipermail/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net/2006-May/003363.html
> 
> b. this is a tech spec for a global system of 'fair'
> markets & some tech fluff to 'confuse the 'enemy'
>
http://lister.itk.ntnu.no/pipermail/she_forum/2007/000040.html
> 
> C. the key problem we have is that greed has the
> resources & 'command & control' structures in place
> at
> a global level. thus, "human rights" movements are
> controlled by the very people who are the problem.
> 
> further, any attack on part of this system can be
> diverted into a waste basket with ease via legal
> [EDITORS of a key distribution channel[s] or illegal
> means [who defines what is 'torture' or illegal
> actions when u have gwb+cronies in place?]. those
> who
> write/interpret/enforce and determine the flow of
> 'facts'/idea$/timing determine the result$.
> 
> the BEST hope is to convince people in power that
> it is in THEIR best interests to adapt.
> 
> i know many of the senators in usa via pbs with jim
> lehrer [biased, but i am very good on tone & context
> &
> key ideas].
> 
> the usa polly system is corrupt & rotten to the core
> -
> corps + lobby groups plus entrenched arrogance of
> your
> academics and centres of 'governance' are crucial
> issues. further, the media is dominated by a small
> number of voices [who are very biased & selective
> about what info and data is put on the public
> domain].
> 
> europe is no better.
> 
> in my view, western polly systems have become the
> globe's worst night mare - i kid u*not.
> 
> i have put my views on these matters on the public
> domain that u can check on "victor kacala" - i add
> one
> below [from senator bartlett[oz] web*sight].
> 
> it is simple, i can USE my system but cannot build
> it
> via softwire. greed has a habit of KILLING any and
> all
> that stand in the road e.g., mlkJNR.
> 
> it is almost certain that asio & afp have ‘tabs’ on
> me
> [even if they think i am a bit of a ‘fruit-cake’]. i
> made a lot of noise in canberra [e.g., applied for
> polly asylum to russia]; my guess is that afp & asio
> &
> ruddock [bless his evil heart], ‘know’ any or all of
> my emails etc.
> 
> i am very useful to them, either way u look at it. i
> create some options that may be useful to them.
> 
> i am very familiar with the way power works in many
> dif social contexts.
> 
> what if some could build an AI machine? how much
> would
> it be worth? how many people would want such a
> machine?
> 
> so, i have no intent on pulling my stuff into a
> coherent whole - there is no way any one could
> squeeze
> it out of me [by design by i] but i can & will use
> it
> going foward.
> 
> my key weak points is lack of quality info [rather
> than views] - thus, i value the views of [say]
> chomsky
> above cheney/rumsfeld etc. there is three basic ways
> of lying: omit & modify & add.
> 
> great liers lie by telling one lie that cannot be
> confirmed or refuted.
> 
> or, they CONTROL the capacity of any one
> telling/giving evidence that contradicts the lie[s].
> e.g., pbs or abc [j.lehrer or "by design"/rn resp'].
> 
> every time you or any person gets into a given
> program
> [say within the menu of abc/rn programs], you DESIGN
> a
> verbal-emotional-pic/fig SToRY with sound drawn from
> a
> variety of sources.
> 
> the big stage [via tone] is set by the presenter and
> varying levels by ‘researchers’/producers/gathers of
> data.
> 
> 
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