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--- "Ironside, Matthew M."
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> I must be one of the global energy thieves. God
> damn it, we can't have
> a level playing field, I would lose my unfair
> advantage!
>
> Matt
>
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> doctor victor kacala says:
> May 29th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
> was there a 'stolen' generation? there is ample
> evidence, in gov files as policy, that oz was, and
> sadly still is, a racially divided country.
> @
> however, in this case i agree, in pART with the evil
> pun-dit. how about looking to the here & now
> starting
> with aboriginal oz people as first among equals? a
> good statement would be for oz to have the
> aboriginal
> flag as the OFFICIAL oz flag - this would be a
> statement of intent.
> @
> what should the oz gov DO? i have given an outline
> to
> TIGA="tiger" of what could/should be done in the
> areas
> of governance & education & economics. the key step
> is
> to get people of integrity & competence in the
> relevant area of duty in a new council.
> @
> at the moment, white GURUS do NOT empower, but
> rather
> subvert via corrupt payments [i.e., 'conservation'
> groups claim they are the good guys] or by taking
> over
> admin' functions or are selective in the info they
> present as facts. gov should compensate, a FAIR
> value
> for such things as 'lost' wages & lost potential
> wealth, based on average oz wealth.
> etC..."@"...
> this will be expensive only ONCE - this can serve as
> a
> capital base for business as outlined by a number of
> ab' leaders [esp' eco tourism, banking, rangers, art
> &
> fashion etc.].
>
> a key step is to assign ALL copy rights to ALL ab'
> art
> works AND genetic material.
>
> ab' people are genetically SUPERIOR to us white
> people. how do i know? simple. 60 thousand years of
> VERY harsh ethnic cleansing by the HARSH oz outback
> [per "Dune" books].
>
> as it turns out, some women i know seem to be aware
> of
> this fact i.e., they had love child & got to keep
> the
> child.
>
> oz ab' people are not inferior, they are superior
> FOR
> the oz outback?
>
> is this rascist? no. it is premised on evolutionAry
> process, as outlined with gusto by dawkins etC...
>
> doctor victor kacala says:
> May 29th, 2007 at 2:15 pm
> i have just read a book called "elements of
> justice",
> 2006, CUP. it might be useful if one of your
> 'advisors' read this as back ground for any debate
> about justice in this arena. do some aboriginal
> people
> lie to gain advantage? of course.
>
> this does NOT de-value very significant social
> dis-advantage that was the result of a rascist &
> harsh
> history of gov & social systems [listen to n. bonner
> first speech to parliament].
>
> dr victor kacala says:
> June 2nd, 2007 at 12:08 pm
> nicely put andrew. i agree. sadly, there are many
> who
> gain social credit by using the 'weak' as a vehicle
> for social credit [this happens globally].
>
> the gov has failed miserably in the past, &
> continues
> to do so. a key issue is that gov agencies are
> grossly
> incompetent in giving the tools of power to ab'
> people
> & the great un-washed masses [sadly, at a global
> level]. the quality of pollies [wrt INTEGRITY &
> competence] is nothing short of miserable.
>
> how can we improve the quality of our pollies? i
> have
> given a number of ideas on various web sites & to
> andrew. u do not have to agree, just make sure that
> it
> is a measured response [i.e., do your research &
> check
> key facts].
>
> i often hear 'market' solutions to social problems,
> for ab', other indigenous people & 'the' poor
> generally.
>
> when are the 'free' market pundits going to learn?
> [esp' fat cats in gov agencies, including lab' state
> gov$$$].
>
> markets are BUILT by a implicit & explicit set of
> rules & associated physicAL tools. for example, a
> carbon trading system [global] must be built - the
> current versions i know of are a disaster waiting to
> happen. sadly, well- intended incompetents, such as
> p.
> garrot, are all passion & no system design SKILL.
>
> i heard prof' peter dixon & mckibbon on these
> matters
> - they are NOT up to the task [dixon IS up to the
> task
> of testing a SIMULATION of a global system - i have
> a
> great deal of respect for his ability & people &
> resources to undertake this CRUCIAL task, as a
> manager
> i.e., he will need input from ALL major carbon
> trading
> countries].
>
> any design from the 'free' market will be a social
> disaster.
>
> markets do not just 'appear' at a global level. we
> require decisive action by all players AT A GOV
> LEVEL,
> with some SAVAGE actions against global thieves in
> the
> finance & energy arenas.
>
> as a first cut, dixon was spot on. a good basis
> solution = taxes, 'some' prices rises & active
> promotion of energy saving at all levels of demand.
>
> doctor victor kacala says:
> June 6th, 2007 at 10:43 am
> dear ken, is it a gross generalization? not at all.
> how are polly candidates selected? what is the
> social
> processes that they go thru [education & life
> experience]. how dominant are the 'religous'
> influences? do they have a BASIS in ethics to
> support
> & govern how to form policy & 'strategy'?
>
> thus, while one or two pollies here & there may have
> COURAGE & integrity, any given polly is constrained
> by
> the group action. within any given group/party,
> there
> are dominant players who pull the levers of power.
> these dominant players are promoted via power
> players
> behind the scenes pulling the strings. there are
> many
> ways to pull strings in social exchange systems,
> across the globe & across time & across any party of
> any description.
>
> over the years we have seen an ever greater
> concentration on money [credit in all its forms],
> social guru status, and a far greater power base for
> our great friend & buddy & protector, the USA. who
> controls the usa? lobby groups?
>
> so, even if the sun shone out of andrews but AND he
> is
> the smartest person who ever lived, it would make NO
> dif to the rest of the polly process. he depends on
> info & data flows the same as every one else [such
> as
> u & i]; if those data & info flows are biased, or
> captive to [say] a set of elites around the globe,
> then it does NOT matter how smart or ethicAl any
> given
> polly is or is not, decisions/policies/actions will
> be
> sub-optimal in the social sense of the word.
>
> it is for this reason, i am so critical of 'terror'
> laws, media concentration [local & global], security
> services [who act as instruments of terror, such as
> cia/kgb/etc...], advisors, academia & so on.
>
> i have lost interest in oz as an idea, after all,
> all
> nations are a 'invention'. our high courts lack an
> imagination & fail to protect those at the bottom of
> the pile from gov agencies, elites [of money or
> social
> credit or military etc...], foreign security
> services,
> religions [of any description] and so on.
>
> doctor victor kacala says:
> June 6th, 2007 at 12:03 pm
> imagine there are two nations with the names usa &
> user, who have leaders george & pewtin. pewtin &
> george do not agree - the usa & user are in a strong
> &
> weak eco position resp'. george is a leader in name
> only & is a person of ABSOLUTE faith in his version
> of
> god & others give him polcy options & facts - george
> thinks users are the evil people & the usa is a land
> of the free & fair [at least this is his views in
> public].
>
> pewtin knows user was & has its evil elements & is
> subject to 'attack' from traitors within. over time,
> the usa will be in a totally dominant position, if
> the
> usar are allowed to complete a defence against
> system
> against user. of course, george states we defend
> against 'other' terror nations such as abc & xyz.
>
> what should pewtin do? pewtin knows that george is a
> mere puppet for goys="we are chosen by GOD", the
> real
> power.
>
> if pewtin allows george to finish the defence
> systems,
> usa will totally dominant over all aspects of tech &
> eco FOREVER.
>
> what george does NOT know is that user has a FULLY
> operational system in place, ready to go. if pewtin
> does not act 'soon', then the usar will eventually
> win
> by eco subversion and or a nuke strike with
> bunker-busters & other advanced weapons.
>
> pewtin's moral issue is: "can i strike with out
> becoming the very thing i attack?"
>
> yes, IFF a clear warning is given [to all GOYS].
>
> george is clearly lying & the threat is real based
> on
> the evidence [pewtin does not believe george when he
> says that "i am YOUR friend!" etc...].
>
> of course, the above is only a story, not meant to
> represent any real world situation.
>
> in a recent article i posted on the abc, i noted
> that
> data, info & ideas are controlled by 'elites', at a
> global level [direct & in-direct]. i have also given
> a
> SOLUTION of HOW to fix global systems of governance.
> i
> have given a framework of THE tech to do the job -
> so
> far, goys have done a great job in blocking
> [in-direct
> & direct] of these systems.
>
> victor kacala says:
> June 7th, 2007 at 10:54 am
> ken=u ?:=:"although I often demean our polllies
> sarcastically do you actually know any personanlly
> that is, or in a work environment?"
>
> i 'kmow' andrew? there is only ONE thing i need to
> KNOW about any person of any age e.g., do they have
> COURAGE=integrity + a sense of fair play"?".
>
> do u know u*self? to learn some thing means to
> change
> u or i or U&i in a pos or neg sense of the word.
>
> i 'know' the abc/rn is RUN by a pack of fascists?
> how
> do i know? they modify or edit or delete my imput
> from
> the public domain.
>
> this is a funDAmental attack on fair pLAY & exCHANGE
> in ideas between oz people.
>
> this is as basic an attack on freedom as u can get.
> i
> do NOT ask andrew to agree with i, i ask that he
> does
> NOT edit or modify or delete=exclude what i think.
>
> do i know i*SOUL? no. i 'know' pollies by LISTENinG
> to
> their mode of speech, & other visual forms etC &
> their
> actIon$$$. i sawm costello last night interviewed by
> the big blue on abc last night. what did i see &
> hear?
> i heard controllED aggro from blue - costello, if u
> cannot stand the heat, GET OFF THE$ AIR, do NOT
> waste
> blue's valuable time.
>
> summary=PATHeTIKc^***I.
>
> wrt to 'know' any polly, person ETc..., i let my
> stINK
> in pinKKK do the ***^i.
>
> am i clear? mayBE notE? this gov has/is an
> UN-mitigated diSAstir?
>
> of course, wee & i could be in errOR? i try to keep
> my
> errors 'small', unless i have to act*!I.
>
> ?'s.
>
> so, evil about is actually a 'good' guy, as he forms
> a
> counter POinT for andrew & any one else who reads
> what
> andrew has to say [direct & in-direct] for all who
> chose it so.
>
> so, do i 'know' any person at all? no. but, pollies
> have a habit of lying via spin merchants of greed
> ETc,
> at a global level.
>
> it is form this reason, i want out of this SH***t
> hoLO
> callED oz.
>
> this CoUNTry has loST ITsss on a piLE gREED.
>
> all rights of all that i outPUT * inPUT
> :=:copy-RIGHT$$$.
>
> mayBEE ya get the idea?
>
> MsFuzz says:
> June 7th, 2007 at 11:29 am
> Victor - how could anyone 'get the idea'?
>
> Your last comment is - to be blunt - a rambly
> incoherent burble that makes not much sense.
>
> It also bears no relevance to the topic of this
> post.
>
> doctor victor kacala says:
> June 7th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
> u lack an imagination. maybe u should look at
> "elements of justice", 2006, CUP, for some real
> burble.
>
> still, this is a common facet of vegies who think
> they
> are smart, MSfuzz.
>
> maybe u should look at "victor kacala" on google for
> some thing suitable for a child?
>
> am i clear here?
>
> doctor victor kacala says:
> June 14th, 2007 at 12:24 pm
> what is THE grate tragedy in
> "a terrible beauty", per peter watson, 2000?
>
> the great tragedy is that ADULTS kill the SPIrit &
> soul of kids on an inter-generational basis.
>
> why? greed, arrogance & revenge.
>
> there have been many titles given to GURUS in human
> social exCHANGE systems e.g., queen, king, duke,
> count, lord, chief, and various 'lesser' social
> status
> RANKsss.
>
> the trilogy is the common feature of the human
> species
> as long as social records can record.
>
> people often put their kids as being divine, above
> other people in their social sphere/circle. thus, a
> 'prince' is the son of a king & queen - often the
> prince will become king along genetic lines: put
> king:=: any title of social rank or divide e.g.,
> 'doctor'=title.
>
> this is a major error, of huge size.
>
> i stART with the idea that:
>
> ALL PEOPLE ARE OF EQUAL VALUE ON THE GLOBAL STAGE.
>
> thus, any person in meet is of equal social value,
> in
> the absence of any data or info. it very hard not to
> have a pos or neg or both bias due to our unique
> social history.
>
> there is no such thing as history as defined in the
> text books - ALL history is a self history, based on
> facts & events as served up on the 'valid' records,
> &
> personAl memories of local plays in a game.
>
> the reason i like kids far more than adults is
> simple:
> kids know less but they know QUALITY & are far more
> tolerant of difs in people [e.g., looks, colour,
> dress, smell, height, weight, sex, and so on.
>
> our social systems of rank & status are grossly
> unfair
> e.g., in religous organs.
>
> 'priests' assume they KNOW due to the fact of
> indoctrination at an early age. in a basic sense,
> religions are the anti-thesis of REASON & justice.
>
> we had better make the changes people, else we are
> all
> headed into a greater hell or tragedy than is our
> systems of social genocide of the human mind.
>
> even such 'religions' as buddhism [a theory of
> reason]
> & science [especially social sciences] are dogma
>
> doctor victor kacala says:
> June 19th, 2007 at 1:06 pm
> is evil pun-dit a rascist? in my view, no. it is
> common for well-intended gurus to dis-miss the
> 'enemy's' view.
>
> this is a very well-known strategy of peace & war &
> fair debate - always respect your enemy, they MAY be
> right or left.
>
> as i have said else-where, evil pundit serves as a
> very useful counter point - i often agree with the
> 'evil' gal & *guy*.
>
> evil & good have many faces, that is INDEPENDENT of
> race [a doubt-FULL concept at the best of times],
> sex,
> sexuality, state, FAmiLY etC...
>
> so, attack ideas, rather than the person.
>
> i DO attack gurus who hold them selves out as the
> fair
> & reasonABLE people. for example, i have john
> coward,
> gwb, blair and some people from the ABC/rn.
>
> i took a long handle to r. kohn with CLEAR intent &
> measure - she holds herself out as some one who is
> FAIR & who promotes links between religions &
> 'other'
> secular people, such as p. adames.
>
> i DID attack her DUE to her guru status AND BIAS &
> superior form of lies i.e., u can not attack me
> because i am a NICE person. she holds a position of
> great POWER on abc's religion & ethics corner -
> there
> fore i have NO compunction in giving all that she
> has
> EARNED!
>
> some one on abc & this bLOG cut my comment. since i
> have spent a great deal of time on fair systems of
> trade in ideas & things, i think that my view should
> have been allowed to stand [i COULD be wrong].
>
> i do NOT think i am right or wrong, i think i have a
> BAsic right to have my views seen/heard.
>
> further, it is a very inFORMed view, rather than the
> hysterical slander that i see on commercial
> stations.
>
> doctor victor kacala says:
> June 19th, 2007 at 2:19 pm
> some notes on my views on FAIR public trade &
> exchange
> of ideas. ideas form the basis for all
> actions/in-action that guide u & i actions. at times
> SILENCE can form tacit support for unFAIR actions.
> who
> controls debate sets the agenda for all the sheep,
> such as u & i. this has very real and often tragic
> results for people at the bottom of the pile.
>
> i saw the media report last night.
>
> were some of the comments on commercial media
> 'slander', vicious, racist etC?
>
> yes.
>
> i saw a general attack on GROUPS of people, such as
> blacks, lebo's, various other ME people, and so on.
>
> i attach a comment that is an attack on the IDEAS of
> some people who hold them selves out as the
> moral=ethicAl gurus of OUR collective sole.
>
> my views are 'similar" to p. adams, but i do NOT
> reject the idea of god[s]. i reject the various
> versions of god that are the basis for ALL religions
> i.e., i attack ALL gurus of ANY breed or group.
>
> this is a comment on the process of debate in the
> public forum - i very much OBJECT to any
> edits/modifications [even 'errors'] or exclusion by
> face less who use un-known criteria. the abc is a
> CRUCIAL stone for a proper analysis & synthesis of
> key
> social issues - if U [any!] hold u self out as a
> GURU
> of fair & just play, then EXPECT a criticAl
> response.
>
> if u cannot stand the heat, get off the air & stop
> wasting our time. for example, i attacked the DALAI
> lama with vigor & precision. i do NOT use the same
> force against lesser light - the higher u go, the
> harder i hit.
>
> ghost writer says:
> July 23rd, 2007 at 11:41 am
> U=i.
>
> ken says:
> July 23rd, 2007 at 4:05 pm
> But Phantom U too are a guru? So how does that
> compute?
>
> doctor victor kacala says: Your comment is awaiting
> moderation.
> November 2nd, 2007 at 11:39 am
> cat got u*LIP?
> i talk of the QUALITY*LIFE poTENTiAL!
> so, why the deBATe#*u*=-value?
> ?'s.
> send to any U&*i*#u.
>
> Subject: =Subject: a short length of
> my^*^SOLE.soul="i". so, did i=paSS?
> To: brisbane at greenleft.org.au
> Subject: a short length of my^*^SOLE.soul="i".
> so,
> did
> i=paSS?
> To: papa13 at hotmail.co.uk,
> MATTHEW.IRONSIDE at woodside.com.au
> CC: MATTHEW.IRONSIDE at woodside.com.au,
> papa13 at hotmail.co.uk, senator.faulkner at aph.gov.au,
> Senator.Bartlett at aph.gov.au
> please find an outline of my practical
> teaching&learning below - as a specialIst
> in the area,
> give me a grade out of abc?
> so do u*think i pass/fail?
> any & all questions to my pear peer$.
> mat$$$=iron&lion!?!.
>
> Subject: RE: see some notes wrt Senior Policy
> Advisor
> - CRP- M013
> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:03:25 +0900
> From: "Ironside, Matthew M."
> <MATTHEW.IRONSIDE at woodside.com.au> View Contact
> Details
> To: "viktor zolotenko" <zolotenko at yahoo.com>
> Sounds like a good position to implement some of
> your ideas. Of course
> happy to help in any ay possible.
>
> Matt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viktor zolotenko [mailto:zolotenko at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2007 12:16 PM
> To: JGentle at boystown.com.au
> Cc: Ironside, Matthew M.
> Subject: see some notes wrt Senior Policy Advisor -
> CRP- M013
>
> Dear Judy Gentle,
>
> First, thank you for the information.
>
> Second, as you may have gathered from my outline of
> my
> cv [brief
> version
> sent to you] and a more detailed version that I
> attach
> below.
>
> Third, I have read your selection criteria and I
> think
> I am a lot like
> the boys you get into your organization. I do not
> 'fit' in with
> standard
> values in either academic [finance a'prof] or
> government [treasury
> management systems] or corporate finance [all greed
> and arrogance e.g.,
> SBCWarburg]. It is very hard to find people in these
> areas with
> integrity, competence and courage. If some one does
> get the 'courage',
> they soon end up on the social scrap heap & cannot
> get
> a job [I know
> this from hard experience] - thus, if you or I
> 'blow'
> the whistle, we
> end up as the victims. For example, if a Bundaberg
> nurse did NOT have
> some polly support [via media pressure], then it is
> likely that "doctor
> death" would be happily killing off more people to
> this day. This is a
> rather sad state of affairs in Oz.
>
> Fourth, the reason I get along with kids [more so
> than
> adults] is that
> I
> can empathize with them, coming from a similar
> background for many of
> your clients i.e., western suburbs of melbourne.
>
> Fifth, I have worked with Maori people in NZ on
> governance and
> management systems for three years in the past and
> have a good
> knowledge
> of how to speak with people from 'the fringes'. Many
> of your clients
> are
> excluded from the big end of town right from day one
> through social
> context e.g., violent alcoholic parents [some thing
> I
> can relate to
> very
> well, given my own family life].
>
> Sixth, I have unique strengths in the areas of
> education [lit&num in
> business ethics] and design of health systems. A
> health system has a
> lot
> in common with a treasury management system [you may
> wish to speak with
> Matthew above, who has more details with respect to
> my
> 'integrity',
> competence and skills in the area of systems design
> work].
>
> Seventh, it is clear from my CV that I have proven
> skills in a wide
> range of areas developed over a long period of time
> -
> i am an 'expert'
> in the area of risk management systems & strategy.
> However, my key
> skill
> is in the area of 'psychology' of empowerment - the
> basic strategy is
> to
> use the skills of the clients and recursively build
> a
> set of linked
> ideas to guide THEIR decision-making processes.
> Thus,
> I do not 'teach',
> I manage the process in a fair way [such that the
> 'student' sees that I
> give ideas to empower in a given social context
> [suited to a 'student].
> I see my self as a student & teacher.
>
> 8th, I refer above to M. Ironside who can confirm
> [or
> DENY!] what I say
> above. Matthew also knows of other people who are
> familiar with my
> views
> & skills & history.
>
> 9th, my "positive notice blue card" for child
> related
> employment is:
>
> number=450029/1, expiry=2/3/8.
>
> I have never been charged with any criminal offence
> or
> have any
> criminal
> offences of any nature.
>
> Tenth, and most important, I agree with your values
> statement. I
> particularly like the idea of PERSISTENCE with
> regard
> to people/kids
> who
> 'fail' to act in a fair and reasonable way [maybe
> they
> do not know
> HOW].
> Given that adults in power [e.g., pollies at a
> global
> level] act very
> badly over many years [e.g., gwb at USA], I think it is
> the key attitude
> that is crucial for long term success.
>
> 11th, I have a current drivers license to drive a
> motor car & I am an
> australian citizen. I have complete document of
> certificates of degrees
> and academic records and commercial contracts to
> demonstrate my
> practical business and social skills.
> At a general level, I think I am uniquely placed to
> offer an attitude &
> skills that your organization will find very useful.
>
> I am happy to learn any new skills & take courses of
> a
> formal &
> informal
> kind [I think I have enough formal skills?].
>
> Going forward, I think the human species is in very
> serious trouble
> UNLESS we fix our systems of
> education/governance/health systems and
> allocation of power/resources [including
> ideas/info].
> This view[many
> seem to agree] has caused me major 'problems' in
> getting work &
> security
> in areas where I want to work i.e., it is easy to be
> 'executed' in a
> social sense of the word via false information.
>
> Cheers, Dr Victor kacala.
> ps I shall ring in a couple of days to see if you
> need
> further info. I
> can provide full original documentary evidence if I
> am
> short-listed for
> interview for the position.
> see note that u* may cut, if u*choice?
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:54:19 +1100 (EST)
> From: "viktor zolotenko" <zolotenko at yahoo.com> View
> Contact Details
> Subject:
>
globaljusticemovement.net/pipermail/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net
> /2006-May/003366.html
>
> To: senator.faulkner at aph.gov.au,
> MATTHEW.IRONSIDE at woodside.com.au,
> Senator.Bartlett at aph.gov.au
>
>
a.http://www.globaljusticemovement.net/pipermail/discussion_globaljustic
> emovement.net/2006-May/003366.html
> see links to my paper at:
>
http://www.globaljusticemovement.net/pipermail/discussion_globaljusticem
> ovement.net/2006-May/003364.html
>
> b. GREED had ONE=i*SELF week#any week#U=i!
>
> C. i used this sheet of week at weak,
> from "art$ of war as pieces of peACE!
>
> see sum of i*SELF error#$ of U&i beLOW=
> Subject: sum of ideas of i*SELF&iSOUL^sole#WILL.
> To: LEACHJU at stgeorge.com.au
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:42:50 +1100 (EST)
> From: "viktor zolotenko" <zolotenko at yahoo.com> View
> Contact Details
> Subject: error@$=Subject: b. "u=i".July 4th, 2007 at
> 3:00 pm, report of "child abuse" to
> SENatOR*bART+SIGHT#
> To: senator.faulkner at aph.gov.au,
> MATTHEW.IRONSIDE at woodside.com.au,
> Senator.Bartlett at aph.gov.au
> CC: senator.faulkner at aph.gov.au,
> MATTHEW.IRONSIDE at woodside.com.au,
> Senator.Bartlett at aph.gov.au
> Subject: b. "u=i".July 4th, 2007 at 3:00 pm,
> report of
> "child abuse" to SENatOR*bART+SIGHT#
> To: senator.faulkner at aph.gov.au
> CC: info at designsciencelab.org, bob at RobertReich.org
> Subject: some notes & corrections to my paper on
> "ethics & governance=management"
> To: info at designsciencelab.org
> CC: MATTHEW.IRONSIDE at woodside.com.au,
> JGentle at boystown.com.au
> ethics & governance=management
>
http://www.globaljusticemovement.net/pipermail/discussion_globaljusticem
> ovement.net/2006-May/003363.html
> see some further note$$$,
> a. below, b. i^attach C... when i send note^#$,
> as i*C it, when "i" sea the see saw of life,
> in U&*i*?!.
> a. Subject: so, we are in deep poo!
>
> dear kirsty*people,
>
> i think you are a person some one can trust.
> this is the most important aspect about me.
>
> i would be ready to move as soon as an official
> offer
> was made.
>
> it is hard to find people who are trust*worthy;
> my guess is that this is also true among UN+oz
> 'advisors'.
>
> i attach a short cv that outlines my skill set.
>
> i have a 'blue' card that indicates that i have no
> criminal charges and am able to work with
> 'dis-advantaged' people e.g., kids.
>
> i would be very useful to your people and timor at a
> general level. if you wish to know more, search
> "victor kacala" on internet?
>
> Dr Victor Kacala, BRISBANE
>
> please find a cv and some views on global
> eco-systems
> and e.timor
>
> zolotenko at yahoo.com [please email any response].
>
> Reference: VOLUNTARY worker as an "Economics
> Adviser"
> & Literacy & Numeracy in Business Ethics & System
> Design Work (any area)
>
> Could you consider me for the above position? I am
> honest, reliable, adaptable, humble, intelligent and
> get along with people from all walks of life. I love
> kids and they seem to like me.
>
> If you see my CV, you will find I have a wide range
> of
> interests and skills. At a general level, I offer
> superior system design skills in the areas of health
> and education. I know that I can show that I satisfy
> any selection criteria in system design that you
> specify.
>
> What I don't know, I am happy to learn.
>
> SIX
> Learn very quickly in a practical setting
> Speed read courses and good communication skills
> Design risk management systems for health care
> (mental
> and physical)
> Knowledge acquired thru general interest
> Familiar with the ISO Quality Standards in health
> care
> Keen interest to solve practical problems in health
> care and education
>
> EIGHT
> I write in a simple and direct way
> Superior written and verbal skills for any audience
> Adapt my dialogue to suit the customer (e.g., kids)
> Written two books (one on ethics and the other a
> 'cookbook' on system design in education and health
> care)
>
> some notes i made for phillip adams,
>
> for abc, radio national [see below]:
>
> "Diary, Day Four: Balibo"
> doctor victor kacala Says:
>
> October 4th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
> i would like to work for some one in east timor who
> can use my profile.
> it is a sad reality that the west is a cess pool of
> greed & arrogance.
> thus, it is possible a 'genocide' could happen
> again.
> e.timor will get 'screwed' by foreign corps like
> others in LDCs,
> such as africa, s.america, and so on. the list is
> very
> long.
> in order that this does NOT happen,
> e.timor needs proper systems in health, education &
> finance/treasury.
> this is not possible in the west, as there are
> vested
> interests in existing systems of GREED.
> thus, unless e.timor [&other LDCs] get valid & fair
> systems,
> genocide will occur via economics.
> search [ abc "victor kacala" ]
> summary=system design 'expert' in the areas of
> health
> [mental and physical], finance, eco, codes and
> education.
> i love life and kids - i do not like many 'adults'.
> i HATE greed arrogance revenge, served up in any
> face
> of zero grace.
> so, do you have a job in e.timor?
>
> October 13th, 2007 at 1:51 pm
> there is a saying that "the first death in any war
> is
> the truth". i am not that interested in debate about
> who did what to who and who were the masters of a
> 'local' genocide. my guess is that what helen states
> is likely to be 'true', even if only a part truth of
> a
> war in the making. the 'real' villians are unlikely
> to
> be caught. it is also clear that fretilin was armed
> and used by 'western' states [via a 'third' party].
> oz
> also has blood on its hands [even based on public
> info
> - the other info will dis-appear or be held in
> secret
> files some where]. i have no doubt that 'catholic'
> power brokers [domestic & foreign] were key players
> in
> genocide - of course, heavy hands on innocent people
> increased the violence cycle. in the back ground,
> the
> west security services [and foreign corps] were keen
> to get their hands on gas & oil linked to e.timor -
> the deals done by downer + corps + cronies makes
> this
> clear.
> oz and 'other' western states [via UN*umbrella of
> chastity and fair play] now seem set on an agenda to
> exploit e.timor people again using a shield of
> catholic vritue + dogma.
> the end result is clear.
> i see the faces of kids & adult grim pain & grimACE
> inside.
> a fair system of governance at a national level is
> crucial, such that ALL people are included.
> e.timor has the same issues as all other states &
> families [such as oz & usa & etC].
> a basic course in literacy & numeracy in business
> ethics, in a COMMON code [language] is crucia;
> this could be done in one step, with kids leading
> the
> charge [in ENGLISH].
> all terms [words] must have a common meaning suited
> to
> a local context,
> with examples in words and pic/fig to suit.
> a simple FONETIC english word set would be built,
> in order to increase the rate of learning.
>
> dear kevin*oo7 & team,
>
> well, we are all in in poo. the usa and other
> western
> states are run by a greedy pack of elite fascists
> who
> call them selves 'free' market gurus.
>
> it is time to stand up for all the little people on
> the global stage, including our religions of
> 'islam',
> hindus and so on.
>
> gwb + hos neo-con buddies and similar set the the
> agenda in finance, energy, academia, 'centres' of
> ethics and MARKET eco systems [under the slogan of
> "free trade & markets"=No such thing] and so on.
>
> greed is the basic premise pinned by a belief in
> their
> own merit of "i/wee deserve OUR wealth, income and
> so
> on".
>
>
>
> below i attach two web-sites that is a SIMPLE &
> general attack on ALL gurus thru time, religions and
> elites. it is time that we put an end to this
> GENOCIDE
> via in-direct means.
>
>
>
> usa has military bases across the planet and has
> made
> threats of an indirect and direct nature.
>
>
>
> e.g., a threat to nuke the taliban by obama?!
>
>
>
> gwb is insane with his own sense of destiny and gwb
> has the support of a pack of christian crusaders who
> welcome the day of 'reckoning'.
>
>
>
> thus, the basic idea is to CUT=dis-member the notion
> of the supreme ethicAL basis of these fascists - i
> have done so in a decisive way.
>
>
>
> i do not hear a squeak from some of our leading
> 'lights'.
>
>
>
> some ideas on god & science & the utility of happy
> spin sin for all people - an idea of a tall
> fairY*tale.
>
>
>
>
http://lister.itk.ntnu.no/pipermail/she_forum/2006/000163.html
>
>
>
>
http://lister.itk.ntnu.no/pipermail/she_forum/2007/000040.html
>
>
>
> some ideas on god & science & the utility of happy
> spin sin for all people
>
>
>
> i have NEVER sold any of my "art works" - many
> people
> have simply 'taken' my work & claimed it as their
> own.
> some aspects of my art has a very high commercial &
> social=business VALUE [i.e., for ALL people].i NEVER
> give away copy right ONLY a copy of my copy rights.
>
>
>
> thus, i have given ALL my art works to some one i
> trust=v.putin of russia [and, as SPECIFIED by putin,
> any designated cohorts IF they are russian citizens
> AND they comply with explicit and implicit 'fair'
> rules that i define in my art works].
>
>
>
> i have given DISTRIBUTION rights to abc/rn people,
> NOT
> abc 'management' or other fascists who stalk the
> halls
> & balls of power. thus, people such as saunders,
> adams, natasha, amanda, and so on are my key
> players.
> i have also given people at the sports team at
> sbs+oz
> [such as les, fos, etc rights as agreed to by abc/rn
> people].
>
>
>
> doctor victor kacala says:
>
> July 11th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
>
> social crdeit gives power choice and power gives
> rise
> to a social DUTY to act in a fair way - thus, my
> focus
> on the word FAIR or just methods in social systems.
>
>
>
> i wanted to [and have done so in an in-direct way]
> DEFINE fairness in a tech way, that takes into
> account
> human foibles [and there seem to be some
> loo-loo_SSS.
>
>
>
> { greed & arrogance & revenge } has ALWAYS won in
> social systems through human social systems e.g.,
> the
> roman empire. some things do repeat across all
> social
> groups, across time.
>
>
>
> it takes courage & good strategy, at a global level,
> to put greed in the waste paper basket - good
> strategy
> is where each person gives on the basis of
> comparative
> strength [one of the few ideas that work from
> economics].
>
>
>
> a small bit of info/data/act[s] from a unified group
> can make all the dif e.g., the 1-percenters in sport
> sum up to a lot.
>
>
>
> i% is my system of fair trade WITH the tech to do
> the
> job i.e., u need to think some thing is possible
> [however small] before it is possible.
>
>
>
> i have defined my 'soul' in an open forum as
> 'softwire' in order to claim copy rights over all my
> "art works" :=: any aspect of my life [this will be
> in
> the public domain to promote DEMOCRACY=fair systems
> of
> trade & exchange across the globe]. i gave hugo
> chavez
> a definition of i*god that defines MY religion [see
> my
> comments in a book called "the elements of justice".
>
>
>
> GOD is a HUMAN CREATION. thus, god exists, if u or
> say
> it is so. i have given u my version of god i.e., a
> global system of fair play in an evolutionary system
> of games. thus, 'god' is spirit [I DEFINE] as a
> systems of basic ideas AND the links that give rise
> to
> such a system[s] of fair play - this will result in
> a
> 'sphere', or ball of fun, that allows for errors by
> people & data & unfair actions by players.
>
>
>
> so, i put ALL sects, cults, religions etc into the
> rubbish bin - where they should be in my view. so, i
> have given p. adams [L&L, abc/rn] DISTRIBUTION
> rights
> [&cohorts] of all my 'art works' - my views on
> social
> matters are 'sufficiently similar'.
>
>
>
> i do NOT reject the idea of god, i reject YOUR [or
> lack there-of] version of god[s] and offer an
> OPTION[s] as given in my art works and a system[s]
> of
> education to DRIVE social evolution, at a global
> level.
>
>
>
> v. putin, pres' of russia is my SOLE inheritor to
> negotiate with adams and cohorts for a long-term
> goal
> of 'fair play', across ALL 'markets, across the
> globe.
>
>
>
> this is why i designed a value [in&out] account*$$$
> system [real-time].
>
>
>
> russia and china have a basic outline of a system of
> NATIONal accounts [but have invalid data
> input/output]
> that can serve as a frame work for STRATEGIC
> decisions
> and for the globe. national accounts systems are
> 'silly' and produce false signals for 'pollies' and
> fat-cats who manage policy decisions.
>
>
>
> ghost writer says:
>
> July 10th, 2007 at 11:04 am
>
> housing is often the single most important act of
> investment, & often is seen as part of the oz dream.
>
>
>
> this oz-DREAM has been smashed by 'free' market eco
> systems promoted by gov from both sides of the polly
> fence.
>
>
>
> the focus should be on the idea of FAIR markets,
> rather than some thing that does not exist.
>
>
>
> it is often the case that slogan makers, who act as
> advisors to pollies, parade the 'capitalist' ideal
> as
> being a factual [i.e., do-able] goal.
>
>
>
> it is well known by eco people of any colour that
> there is no such thing as a free market.
>
>
>
> and yet, we stILL get j. *COWARD or gwb or etc...
> parade
> this LIE, a VEry BIG lie, as core to their polly
> platform.
>
>
>
> so, when are the people going to learn that our
> pollies on both side of any fence are a pack of
> liers,
> ANY time they talk of the free market?
>
>
>
> another instance of the application of 'free' market
> slogans is the sale of gov utilities, such as
> telstra
> [esp' sale of DISTRIBUTION net-works].
>
>
>
> the long term consequences of these changes are NOT
> reversible, like in a car UNLESS there was a war
> i.e.,
> violence would be the only way of over throwing
> entrenched greed power systems. this is the problem
> with social evolution, there social paths that lead
> to
> a DEAD end i.e., any innovation or creative stuff is
> scooped up by the elites that exist now.
>
>
>
> now is this a 'small' problem?
>
>
>
> no.
>
>
>
> some note$$$ 2-The Sports f*Actor
>
>
>
> Name sister blister
>
> Subject sports fuctOR she as he pea on the lee
> heed
>
> Postcode any
>
> Visit Time 16/09/2007 12:36 PM
>
> Remark Name ghost#i
>
> Subject sin as spin grin
>
> Postcode a spec on a sky pie
>
> Visit Time 16/09/2007 12:25 PM
>
> Visit Time (24H) 16/09/2007 12:25
>
> Remark some old ways to see a sea of meaning in art
> design line?
>
>
>
> i do not know the artists work - your guru from wa
> seemed to give a description of myself. most art
> people [critics/curators/academics] are really not
> any
> more expert than the local plod like myself [the
> woman
> was a disaster='curator].
>
>
>
> in fact i listen to 'amanda', natasha, etc for your
> dialogue and 'debate' - this is THE high art of
> humans. so, your chat was of far more colour and
> meaning that any piece of art works.
>
>
>
> i have some comments on mind below to natasha. in
> fact, i think abc/rn people [some] are better
> 'artists' than the so-called greats that are paraded
> in museums or peddled by auction houses etc...
>
>
>
> kids are even better at dialogue than adults - they
> may know less but they say more simple and beatiful
> ideas [such as a shreak of a tweek in FUN!].
>
>
>
> a close second to speech/dialogue is writing - it
> depends on who does the 'job' e.g., mark twain is
> pure
> genius [in my view]. i am in awe of his twang in the
> dialogue and the clarity of exchange between the
> 'players'. one key weakness that some writers fall
> into is 'slang' and local meaning [such as in
> 'science' jargon e.g., see p.zone this weak]. jargon
> and BIG words cuts down on ideas and twists in tweet
> in sweep the teat?
>
>
>
> so, enjoy any day and eveRY day#U&i*.?.
>
>
>
> can we define the insane & sane partition? grey
> areas?
>
>
>
> people are not one thing and we change over time.
> the
> idea of sane is a matter of taste on the person who
> attaches the label.
>
>
>
> the idea of any psycho person doing this is a little
> silly - they have no idea about HOW to define the
> "sanity/insanity" label.
>
>
>
> for example, i think many cults have people [kids
> also] who i think are insane. indeed, one pundit
> stated that it is optimal to appear insane in order
> to
> aviod and insane social system [this will vary by
> context and over time].
>
>
>
> people do not get sane from 'more' wisdom, nor is
> more
> knowledge progress as defined by s.rushdie on L&L.
>
>
>
> further, people will lie=ACT in order to explain
> away
> bad actions to their social group[s].
>
>
>
> moreover, psycho people have a vested interest in
> going along with any 'project' that suits their idea
> of themselves and their gurus status as 'mind'
> healers. for the most part, psycho people are buried
> under silly psycho-metrics that has no substantive
> basis in scientific 'method'. a classic case is that
> of freund, whose work still pervades much of the
> thinking in the psych arena. hence, bipolar is
> merely
> a label that is a useful for funds from gov agencies
> and gives the client[s] an out from violent actions
> or
> words.
>
>
>
> did i believe the woman? no. do i think she lied?
> yes
> [we will never know]. do i think that there was
> another reason for her 'delusions'? yes.
>
>
>
> some people have assigned me such a label e.g.,
> 'paranoid'. this is another word for very cautious -
> am i cautious? yes. i do not trust many adults but i
> trust kids & animals. kids are really bad liers -
> good.
>
>
>
> a partition method to 'class' stuff is a set of
> rules
> that allow the 'doctor' to measure stuff that is
> meant
> to capture aberrant actions/behaviour - these rules
> are often qualitative [as with a list of criteria
> for
> schizo] and many psych people try to make their
> stuff
> 'scientific' for academic journals with some sort of
> 'intensity' factor.
>
>
>
> the reality is that this is pure fluff that masks
> another reality - all people will react dif in dif
> social contexts and the rules that guide actions dif
> over time.
>
>
>
> sadly, much of our education systems is premised on
> psycho drivel by gurus who give definitive stats on
> education at all levels.
>
>
>
> some note$$$ on a flick of vic as a stick=
>
>
>
> luck as a casual fluck i did ruck at some ducks &
> puck!
>
>
>
> send lines at any time to the grime in prim prime?
>
>
>
> Subject: an outline of a GLOBAL system of
> education=art parts for u or i or any ARTiST u-like!
>
> To: mediareport_rn at your.abc.net.au
>
> Subject: an outline of a system of education
>
>
>
> * &=Name ghostwriter
>
> Subject justice
>
> Postcode any stage of genocide
>
> Visit Time 14/09/2007 11:54 AM
>
> Visit Time (24H) 14/09/2007 11:54
>
> Remark tutu is a person of great passion and skill
>
> in speech - he has lost zero over the years.
>
>
>
> i compare the lack of spirit and soul of your two
>
> speakers [lowe & galgut] e.g., galgut="books are
> what
>
> i care about". strange. i care about life & people,
>
> rather than things that do not have 'life'. books
> only
>
> have value if the books 'make people happy'.
>
>
>
> your speaker [LA] from the previous day had a bit of
>
> flair & a sense of fun.
>
>
>
> sadly, the anc has become the same as many
>
> 'revolutionary' movements - the cure has been worse
>
> than the original 'virus' e.g., rhodesia .
>
>
>
> many white people sold up and simply moved to usa ,
> oz,
>
> uk , etc...
>
>
>
> they retained an eco-colony and money in foreign
>
> banks/corps and physically relocated else-where.
> this
>
> sort of thing has happened many times, across the
>
> globe, with the same basic results i.e., chaos via
>
> greed & corrupt people packing their bags & going
> some
>
> where else to start the whole business else where.
>
>
>
> what would have happened if the power players had of
>
> used their wealth to stop [say] aids or other
> aspects
>
> of social collapse?
>
>
>
> based on last count, 6+ million [mainly black]
> people
>
> have aids in sa - this is a social genocide by
>
> default. more-over, white players did not do enough
> to
>
> prevent the spread of this virus. i was amazed at
> the
>
> number of white sa people in WA, in oz.
>
>
>
> why was it that whites were allowed to come to oz
> etc
>
> but not blacks or 'indian'? they had money? fascists
> had
>
> money from a corrupt and racist regime i.e., many
>
> rascists/genocidal maniacs simply left, using their
>
> business links to build else-where. they left a
> social
>
> vacuum and simply re-placed corrupt white faces with
>
> black faces [on a selective basis].
>
>
>
> These tirds now parade themselves as ethics gurus
> after learning the slogans
>
> & basic mechanics of lies and spin to serve their
> greed platform^I!
>
>
>
> lowe does not have a soul. i can hear it. while his
>
> outline of the nuke debate was 'fair', he does NOT
>
> offer a wider eco+polly solution/method to the solve
>
> the "global change" 'problem'.
>
>
>
> i note israel uses 80% solar?
>
>
>
> why not oz? vested interests and lack of polly will
>
> and the 'power' of a privatized electricity
> market[s]?
>
>
>
> the fascists have won the day by getting the 'high'
>
> moral ground - they then use media and guru status
> to
>
> promote their own agenda.
>
>
>
> our public servants and selection criteria for
>
> positions of power/advisors is a crucial weakness
>
> e.g., pollies can bias whole agenda via selecting
>
> polly lackeys at key administrative posts.
>
>
>
> thus, my optimal strategy is to claim polly asylum
> in
>
> russia , cuba or fiji or similar.
>
>
>
> will alp be better? it would be marginal at best and
>
> the same at worst.
>
>
>
> Name ghostwriter
>
> Subject spheres of fair players?
>
> Postcode any sphere of just p
>
> Visit Time 13/09/2007 10:33 AM
>
> Visit Time (24H) 13/09/2007 10:33
>
> Remark Subject: attention leslie & literacy &
>
> numeracy in business
>
>
>
> i heard you on the abc/rn today.
>
>
>
> you gave an outline of work being done by aboriginal
>
> people for kids in nt.
>
>
>
> if you see further information about how i can help,
>
> see "victor kacala" on a search engine.
>
>
>
> i would like to be able to do either voluntary work
>
> with adults and/or aboriginal kids.
>
>
>
> i have a blue card and i have never been charged
> with
>
> any criminal offence or have any charges pending.
>
>
>
> i attach a comment on alp policy in the area of
>
> education and literacy & numeracy.
>
>
>
> in the past, i have taught maori people in nz for
>
> three years.
>
>
>
> sent to abc/rn/"lifematters": "i heard s.smith [alp]
>
> on education on abc/rn this morning.
>
>
>
> ss has picked the key weaknesses in the lib-rat
> policy
>
> & the core role of literacy & numeracy in business
>
> ETHICS.
>
>
>
> the measure of 'performance of teachers' has some
> very
>
> serious problems as given bishop.
>
>
>
> bishop has a 'closed' frame of reference from her
> own
>
> social history & selective views on 'elites'.
>
>
>
> teachers are already under extreme pressure from
> state
>
> fat-cats [who clone THEIR policy as applied when
> they
>
> taught].
>
>
>
> ss should make 'small' but crucial changes in the
>
> general area of literacy & numeracy in FAIR play or
>
> business ethics.
>
>
>
> the keys are to have a COMMON 'small' set of words
>
> that can be defined in a students local context,
> with
>
> COMMON crucial ideas. a useful frame of reference is
>
> sport or games [e.g., computer] such that the
> teacher
>
> adapts to the skills of the students - students
> should
>
> generate 'stories' that they can relate to their own
>
> social & family context. these stories can be
> adapted
>
> by other students and/or the student as their
>
> knowledge base evolves.
>
>
>
> thus, teachers would NOT be assessed - the students
>
> would generate their own portfolio for assessment
> [in
>
> lit & num] on an on-going basis. this means that
>
> students assess each other, teach each other and
> each
>
> school/class/student can be assessed from a
> 'standard'
>
> portfolio.
>
>
>
> this means that standards are NOT limited in terms
> of
>
> upside [and students can write songs/poems/music and
>
> play based on their skill set]. a standard in lit &
>
> num should be a MINIMUM, rather than a standard set
> by
>
> ignorant fat-cats and elites in unis etc...].
>
>
>
> this would take the pressure off teachers AND
> students
>
> are given respect for each part they add to a class
>
> portfolio and an individual portfolio [that can be
>
> checked by 'independent' assessors of STUDENT work].
>
>
>
> having content & context set by fat-cats are a
> central
>
> agency [fed or state] will result in an entrenchment
>
> of the stratified and violent society we have at the
>
> moment.
>
>
>
> i attach further comment below.
>
>
>
> cheers, dr victor kacala.
>
>
>
> ps see pearl & knight for stuff on "democratic
>
> classrooms" - strange, democracy actually works if
> we
>
> build the 'rights'/wrongs system from the grass
>
> roots."
>
> Subject: response to RQF=see below "some notes on
> rights & wrongs of global systems"
>
>
>
> dear mike,
>
> the issues that face uk are the same='similar' to
> oz.
>
>
>
> the abc is 'similar' to the bbc.
>
>
>
> the key issues relate to systems of governance and
>
> fair play on the global stage.
>
>
>
> the has been a fascist take-over in the usa AND the
>
> high court [to some extent this is true in oz].
>
>
>
> these are no small matters and concern all people
>
> across the planet.
>
>
>
> i have some tech solutions and METHOD=strategy.
>
>
>
> we go into a nuke war - maybe even in the short term
>
> [e.g., within 5 or so years].
>
>
>
> in many ways i agree with the 'terrorists' about the
>
> facts but NOT their solutions. is it true that
> muslims
>
> are treated badly [and are living with corrupt
>
> leaders/elites and eco-colony syndrome via energy
> and
>
> finance corps etc]?
>
>
>
> yes. this has been the case for a long time -
>
> naturally under these situations terror cells are
>
> almost certain to brew. what if terrorists were to
>
> develop bio weapons? this is cheap and could be done
>
> by a focussed group in one hit i.e., across the
> planet
>
> via small sealed containers, then build stocks and
>
> then distribute and then 'let loose'.
>
>
>
> if u think 911 was 'bad' and gave a big impetus to
>
> 'terror' laws and a cycle of revenge etc, then what
>
> would happen if the above scenario played out? mass
>
> hysteria. who would 'we' retaliate against.
>
>
>
> is this likely? i think so, unless western countries
>
> FIX very errors in attitude.
>
>
>
> i have a 'solution' - this is a LONG-term=permanent
>
> solution with method to get there.
>
>
>
> Subject: some notes on rights & wrongs of global
>
> systems
>
> To: mediareport_rn at your.abc.net.au
>
> title="some notes on rights & wrongs of global
>
> systems
>
> of power"
>
>
>
> i heard s.smith [alp] on education on abc/rn this
>
> morning.
>
>
>
> ss has picked the key weaknesses in the lib-rat
> policy
>
> & the core role of literacy & numeracy in business
>
> ETHICS.
>
>
>
> the measure of 'performance of teachers' has some
> very
>
> serious problems as given bishop.
>
>
>
> bishop has a 'closed' frame of reference from her
> own
>
> social history & selective views on 'elites'.
>
>
>
> teachers are already under extreme pressure from
> state
>
> fat-cats [who clone THEIR policy as applied when
> they
>
> taught].
>
>
>
> ss should make 'small' but crucial changes in the
>
> general area of literacy & numeracy in FAIR play or
>
> business ethics.
>
>
>
> the keys are to have a COMMON 'small' set of words
>
> that can be defined in a students local context,
> with
>
> COMMON crucial ideas. a useful frame of reference is
>
> sport or games [e.g., computer] such that the
> teacher
>
> adapts to the skills of the students - students
> should
>
> generate 'stories' that they can relate to their own
>
> social & family context. these stories can be
> adapted
>
> by other students and/or the student as their
>
> knowledge base evolves.
>
>
>
> thus, teachers would NOT be assessed - the students
>
> would generate their own portfolio for assessment
> [in
>
> lit & num] on an on-going basis. this means that
>
> students assess each other, teach each other and
> each
>
> school/class/student can be assessed from a
> 'standard'
>
> portfolio.
>
>
>
> this means that standards are NOT limited in terms
> of
>
> upside [and students can write songs/poems/music and
>
> play based on their skill set]. a standard in lit &
>
> num should be a MINIMUM, rather than a standard set
> by
>
> ignorant fat-cats and elites in unis etc...].
>
>
>
> this would take the pressure off teachers AND
> students
>
> are given respect for each part they add to a class
>
> portfolio and an individual portfolio [that can be
>
> checked by 'independent' assessors of STUDENT work].
>
>
>
> having content & context set by fat-cats are a
> central
>
> agency [fed or state] will result in an entrenchment
>
> of the stratified and violent society we have at the
>
> moment.
>
>
>
> i attach further comment below.
>
>
>
> cheers, dr victor kacala.
>
> ps see pearl & knight for stuff on "democratic
>
> classrooms" - strange, democracy actually works if
> we
>
> build the 'rights'/wrongs system from the grass
> roots.
>
>
>
> Subject: i agree with your general views of a long
>
> term goal=do you have the 'balls' to answer?
>
>
>
> To: bob at RobertReich.org
>
>
>
> dear sir,
>
>
>
> i agree with your general outline that you gave in
>
> abc/rn and your brief outline on abc/tv.
>
>
>
> you lack the system design skills to deliver.
> further,
>
> you have a bunch of neo-con fascists to contend with
>
> at home & abroad.
>
>
>
> there is a serious lack of spirit and soul in the
> usa
>
> & the west at a general level=greed and arrogance is
>
> god syndrome.
>
>
>
> check "victor kacala" for a general outline.
>
>
>
> you lot are simply not up to the tasks that humans
>
> face.
>
>
>
> in defence of elite: what makes these people think
>
> they are the 'best'?
>
>
>
> general=reich & company
>
>
>
> who measures who is the best?
>
> whose yard stick should we use? yours or mine?
>
> i look at the results of the 'elites' across the
>
> planet. they are all market strategy [unfair markets
>
> that they perpetuate and entrench] and no system
>
> design skill AND the basic strategies are premised
> on
>
> "the art of war" rather than peace.
>
>
>
> while i agreed with the general outline of reich, he
> &
>
> cohorts lack the systems to DELIVER.
>
>
>
> so, what does he know about accounting systems that
>
> measure 'true' values, HOW does he go from his
> 'dream'
>
> [i agree] from where we are now to the 'promised'
>
> land?
>
>
>
> in a similar way, people like sachs from NY are all
>
> huff & puff & no brains.
>
> so, what happens when the systems of governance and
>
> ethics [as a core of justice & fair play] are simply
>
> absent?
>
>
>
> in defence of elites is merely an ex-post
>
> justification of their own sense of destiny and
> greed
>
> [they even have 'genetics' as a basis for a spurious
>
> defence in the "bell curve".
>
>
>
> their stats are an historical retro-fit to a set of
>
> gurus [good strategy for the elites] as a
> 'scientific'
>
> justification for their own greed.
>
> reich is no dif.
>
>
>
> brain dead is my summary.
>
>
>
> July 4th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
>
> To: Senator.Bartlett at aph.gov.au
>
> CC: contact at andrewbartlett.com
>
>
>
> senator.faulkner at aph.gov.au
>
>
>
> child abuse on the global systems of greed in any
> play
>
> area u-like.
>
>
>
> 4/07/2007 12:34 PM doctor victor kacala: i am filing
> a
>
> REport on child abuse & neglect HERE
>
>
>
> editor, u are required under oz law to file ANY
>
> messAGE on CHILD abuse.
>
>
>
> in a recent poST to senator bartlett 's web-site i
> put
>
> some info that related to, or linked with, child
>
> abuse.
>
>
>
> this was cut by an un-known editor who acted as a
>
> moderater=editor.
>
>
>
> thus, i wish legal action against this editor who
>
> BLOCKS my report on child abuse & neglect.
>
>
>
> as a basis of my expert views about risks to some
> kids
>
>
> at xyz place.
>
>
>
> i am an expert in the area of risk management in the
>
> education & health & finance arenas.
>
>
>
> the basis for my claim in a public forum, NO names,
> is
>
> HERE HEAR?
>
>
>
> this is my view based on the criteria of indicators
>
> taken from Reder, Duncan and Gray, "Beyond Blame,
>
> Child Abuse Tragedies Revisited, Routledge, 1993.
>
>
>
> how does this affect abc health? it affects ALL the
>
> health of people around the globe.
>
>
>
> oz has a system of patents that follows the usa
> patent
>
> system.
>
>
>
> this system of patents is based on discovery rather
>
> than invention i.e., dna 'profile' is THE patent.
>
>
>
> i am very familiar with the patent system, having
>
> spent a huge amount of time and money on getting a
>
> 'softwire' public patent. the patent process is
>
> corrupt and biased for corp thieves, who prowl the
>
> global stage, as iff they own the globe [sadly, this
>
> is not far from the truth].
>
>
>
> as it turns out, the western countries seem to think
>
> that any 'treaty' is enforcable [e.g., wto forums].
>
>
>
> russia told gwb & associated corrupt fascists to go
>
> jump - i agree.
>
>
>
> i heard wise brot on abc/rn on the law report & he
> is
>
> OUR head guru to look at the ethics of bio-patents.
>
> who is he working for? us or the corp buddy net-work
>
> system on the global stage? based on what i heard,
> the
>
> corp_$$$!
>
>
>
> so, we have a toad who says he is an ethics guru who
>
> is NOT ethical.
>
>
>
> our gov is incompetent of the LOWeST oder.
>
>
>
> Subject: some notes on evolution in social systems
> by
>
> ghostwriter to p.adams [L&L]
>
> To: admin at kevin07.com.au, media_rn at abc.net.au
>
> some notes on evolution in social systems by
>
> ghostwriter to p.adams
>
>
>
> i am a social system design EXPERT - better than any
>
> other one around. confident? yes. arrogant? no.
>
>
>
> i heard you with stuff on r.dawkins on 'evolution'.
>
>
>
> see meadows et al, 2005 "limits to growth: the
> 30-year
>
> update":
>
>
>
> p:167 "the most likely mode of behaviour of the
> model
>
> [global] of the world model is overshoot and
>
> collapse."
>
>
>
> p203: "the idea that there might be limits to growth
>
> is, for many people [in POWER], impossible to
>
> imagine."
>
>
>
> p:259-260 "... systems strongly resist changes in
>
> their information flows, especially in their rules
> and
>
> goals."
>
>
>
> "Above all, it is difficult to put forth new
>
> information in a system that is structured to only
>
> hear old information."
>
>
>
> "It takes courage and clarity to challenge an
>
> established system."
>
>
>
> p:271 "The vision [of the 'future'] must be built up
>
> by many people before it is complete and
> compelling."
>
>
>
> systems design people are a little dif to 'standard'
>
> science egg-heads.
>
>
>
> as it turns out, dawkins does NOT have a strong
>
> background in the area of evolution.
>
>
>
> evolution is a JUMP process, a lot like dirac-delta
>
> operator [heaviside in elec' eng'].
>
>
>
> below, i attach some detail that may inform your
>
> thinking on various matters.
>
>
>
> a complete outline of policy frame work for rights
> &
>
> wrongs
>
>
>
> first, the strategy of peace differs from war in
> many
>
> ways.
>
>
>
> second, even if some one follows the "art of war"
>
> [e.g., new york bankers] the strategy book does NOT
>
> mean that you can drive the ideas.
>
>
>
> third, i attach my book on "THE ART OF PEACE, oo7",
> by
>
> ghostwriter of an ace place in space?
>
>
>
> some notes on eco-ethics & *justice*
>
>
>
> dear sir,
>
>
>
> i attach an outline of my skill set. i have
>
> worked in the eco-systems design area for the last
> 30
>
> or so years. i gave strategy and policy advice on
>
> finance & energy & education to maori in nz.
>
>
>
> i hate gov forms that mean ZERO, to any one except
>
> fat-cats who know a long list of slogans, and do not
>
> solve any problems worth solving.
>
>
>
> so, i guess you can guess my attitude to many gov
>
> agencies?
>
>
>
> a song or poem for all people
>
>
>
> "a short song as long as u*like".
>
>
>
> key words & focUS=conTENT
>
> play, mind, grind, fine, line
>
> bent, spent or pent or rent, vision
>
> sharp, park, lark, SPark?
>
>
>
> CONtext=any u* care to lay play!?.
>
>
>
> conDUCT=as u*chose.
>
>
>
> title="splay in lay on my big brassy field,
>
> or bed"
>
>
>
> sow as i sow on your pliers of fine,
>
> finer and finer in splines of u*line
>
> bent as pent in a spent i would RENT,
>
> with pace of your grace in u^ACE bent!,
>
> sew i sew in lewd in ace in places of...
>
>
>
> ?'s.
>
>
>
> some tech specks of eco-systems design from a global
>
> view, based on a 'bill' of RIGHTS & WRONGS, for ALL
>
> nations/states/people.
>
>
>
> eco-ethics & Julian Burnside=jb & comments
>
>
>
> there is more to a system of a bill of rights
>
> [& wrongs] than a lst of does & don'ts, such as a
> list
>
> as given in the UN or USA constitution.
>
>
>
> let me be clear, while i refer to the ' usa ', i
> mean
>
> ALL so-called advanced western countries of any
>
> label, such as sweden , uk , france and so.
>
>
>
> YOUR GREED & ARROGANCE HAS ALWAYS BEEN YOUR DOMINANT
>
> FORM OF POWER & SOCIAL EXCHANGE.
>
>
>
> before a contract of individual rights in a social
>
> system that evolves [both international & national]
>
> can be specified, a system of education in literacy
> &
>
> numeracy in business ethics is required i.e., people
>
> of all ages need ACCESS to fair process.
>
>
>
> so, while JB is a person of great clarity &
> precision
>
> & passion, a "bill of rights" will do zero, except
>
> serve "unpopular" minor sections who have power
>
> and/resources as leverage.
>
>
>
> thus, a bill of rights is only a small part of a
>
> "fair" society in oz - the process of defending the
>
> 'weak' against coercive power of the state [at all
>
> level] or corps or cults etc, is a problem common to
>
> all nations.
>
>
>
> i would like to see a rough outline of process, set
>
> within an oz political system and constitution, such
>
> that such a bill of rights does not become another
> set
>
> of instruments for the rich to get richer i.e., if
>
> access by kids, adults and 'migrants'/refugees is
>
> blocked, then the bill of rights will not serve a
>
> purpose of a fair society.
>
>
>
> a legal system is a social design that may be
> unstable
>
> in practice, if a gov or any power group can bias
>
> info/data/time flow, ideas or policy frame work for
>
> business at all levels.
>
>
>
> i have spelled out some of the factors in the design
>
> process - first & fore most is a core basis
> [national]
>
> in literacy & numeracy in business ethics. the key
>
> aspect that must be defined is 'fair' in the face of
>
> doubt & bias in existing systems & evolving threats
> of
>
> bias in info and data flow. thus, fair speech is a
>
> crucial stone for any fair society & system of fair
>
> trade in a dynamic social structure. to a large
>
> extent, 'old' data from past policy regimes is
>
> irrelevant.
>
>
>
> while we have known the basic features of a bill of
>
> rights for a long time, there is no guarantee that
>
> such a set of rights are mutually consistent or that
>
> these rights can be defended over time.
>
>
>
> for example, if one word is changed or a key term is
>
> re-defined by a 'small' vested elite, then the bill
> of
>
> can collapse in tyranny via corp players, cults,
> high
>
> courts, gov [who select high courts, per usa ] and
> the
>
> rise of military dictatorships. the threats are
>
> numerous and the defences are 'weak' in any
> situation
>
> of extreme threat/stress.
>
>
>
> in my view, the usa bill of rights has not helped
>
> blacks, hispanics and other 'weak players' much at
> all
>
> - further, the usa bill of rights did not serve
>
> 'terror' suspects at all. thus, foreigners are
> simply
>
> labelled as 'enemy combatants' or similar without
> any
>
> systems of checks and balances on the executive arms
>
> [such as usa , russia , etc].
>
>
>
> so far, the usa and other western nations have
> FAILED
>
> to lead on this matter - further, it is very
> unlikely
>
> that the polly processes i know of are capable of
>
> building fair process. greed, arrogance & revenge
>
> DOMINATE the globalization of trade and systems of
>
> exchange.
>
>
>
> this is a rather dismal picture for the human race.
>
>
>
> what the rich & poor need is a UNiFIED method and a
>
> common ADAPTIVE way of peace, rather than the
> present
>
> systems of corruption [global] and endemic greed
> that
>
> festers under the banner of 'pleasure' and merit of
>
> the gurus of strategy [who use "the art of war"
> rather
>
> than "the art of peace" as given below].
>
>
>
> so, i have made an offer to all of u, and U=ALL in
>
> POWER have FAILED to take up the tools that i have
> put
>
> into the public and private domains. academics are,
>
> for the most part, cowards and prisoners of guru
>
> status, journals and editors of social credit/debit
>
> and/or jobs.
>
>
>
> security services can BLOCK this email and even
>
> FOREIGN nations could block exchange of ideas/data
> in
>
> any nation e.g., the usa , russia , uk , etc... have
> the
>
> power to interfere in trade at a most basic level.
>
>
>
> result? absolute tyranny going forward.
>
>
>
> the left mean well but lack a unified and coherent
>
> strategy going forward. for example, castro & lenin
>
> meant well, but they became prisoners of their own
>
> guru status and lack of strategies and people to
>
> implement change in a fair way.
>
>
>
>
http://lister.itk.ntnu.no/pipermail/she_forum/2006/000163.html
>
>
>
>
http://lister.itk.ntnu.no/pipermail/she_forum/2007/000040.html
>
>
>
> and other comments that i label as the abc of
> justice.
>
>
>
> so far, i have seen a gutless bunch of left and
> right
>
> 'activists' who claim they are fair, but never get
> off
>
> their high 'moral' horse [that is in fact a goat],
> and
>
> get to the first step.
>
>
>
> thus, i see some one like bob brown and other
> greenies
>
> as well intended incompetences, who have fallen in
>
> love with their own sense of destiny. further, they
>
> BLOCK people, such as myself, who can deliver
> strategy
>
> and tech tools for all of you to fix OUR immediate
>
> [20-50] extinction [with some few to carry the
> species
>
> forward].
>
>
>
> the human species thru time and nations and cultures
>
> have ALWAYS committed genocide and are dynamically
>
> un-stable [in a catastrophic sense of the word
>
> 'un-stable'].
>
>
>
> title=some elements of mental & global eco-'health'
>
>
>
> 6/09/2007 4:01 PM ghostwriter: global systems of
> fair
>
> trade - gurus who seek to save us AND make 'lots of
>
> money!'
>
>
>
> pilger is one of the many who make money from
> 'terror'
>
> agenda.
>
>
>
> j.pilger is an incompetent neo-fascist who hides as
> a
>
> friend of 'the' people; do i believe pilger?
>
>
>
> no.
>
>
>
> pilger does NOT offer an option[s] - i agree with
> many
>
> of his criticisms.
>
>
>
> see n.chomsky "interventions", 2007, for better; but
>
> he suffers from the 'defect'.
>
>
>
> the reality is that many 'greens' do NOT offer a
>
> viable option[s]. further, pilger et al lack the
> tech
>
> skills and knowledge of system design to be of any
> use
>
> to any-one [EXCEPT HIMSELF!].
>
>
>
> films are all very good IFF they offer a viable
> change
>
> in the structure of an eco-system.
>
>
>
> further, this sort of work requires a CORE in ethics
> &
>
> mode of conduct that adapts/adopts as new info/data
>
> comes about.
>
>
>
> can pilger DEFINE his system of ethics? no.
>
>
>
> i attach a file from the globaljusticemovement where
> i
>
> outline some of the key issues.
>
>
>
> in the recent past, i have given you some tech
> specs,
>
> that i attach below.
>
>
>
> from meadows, 2005 "limits to growth: the 30-year
>
> update":
>
>
>
> p:167 "the most likely mode of behaviour of the
> model
>
> [global] of the world model is overshoot and
>
> collapse."
>
>
>
> p203: "the idea that there might be limits to growth
>
> is, for many people [in POWER], impossible to
>
> imagine."
>
>
>
> p:259-260 "... systems strongly resist changes in
>
> their information flows, especially in their rules
> and
>
> goals."
>
>
>
> "Above all, it is difficult to put forth new
>
> information in a system that is structured to only
>
> hear old information."
>
>
>
> "It takes courage and clarity to challenge an
>
> established system."
>
>
>
> p:271 "The vision [of the 'future'] must be built up
>
> by many people before it is complete and
> compelling."
>
>
>
> p:282 "Collapse cannot be avoided if people do not
>
> learn to view themselves and others as part of one
>
> integrated global society."
>
>
>
> This is WHY i assume ALL people are family - this
> does
>
> NOT mean i 'like' ALL my family. Many members of my
>
> family are greedy, arrogant & full of venom.
>
>
>
>
www.globaljusticemovement.net/pipermail/discussion_globaljusticemovement
> .net/2006-May/003363.html
>
>
>
> post notes:
>
>
>
> Subject: some notes on=Fwd: Re: some art parts for u
>
> or i or any ARTiST u-like!
>
> To: mediareport_rn at your.abc.net.au
>
>
>
>
>
> Name ghost writer to p.adams
>
> Subject just mind & justice & HOW to get it!
>
> Postcode save=any you care to
>
> Visit Time 22/08/2007 4:43 PM
>
> Visit Time (24H) 22/08/2007 16:43
>
> Remark i think you stuff today was real crap.
>
>
>
> see why based on education & mind grind of kids
> aCROSS
>
> the globe.
>
>
>
> "The War for Children's Minds" & an outline of
> reason
>
>
>
> we are all a 'prisoner' of our past & social mind
>
> control of how & what we think to guide action or
>
> in-action.
>
>
>
> descartes once said some thing like "at one time in
>
> our life we must clear all ideas out & start again".
>
> quiet so - the problem is where do we start and how
> do
>
> we rebuild our mode of reason to guide our actions &
>
> in-action going forward.
>
>
>
> my child-hood seems to have many common elements to
>
> your own [based on the "talking heads program]. i
> saw
>
> c.james also; i think he is a bit of dill & his
> poetry
>
> stINKs. poetry is lacks power [mainly, due to the
> fact
>
> that it does not have the power of rythme & ryhme &
>
> music to support the 'idea picture]. of course, i
>
> write poetry every now & then, more as a form of
>
> 'sacarsm' against various object of my scorn. one
>
> exception to poetry is woody guthrie [whom dillon
>
> imitated with great success].
>
>
>
> religion is the enemy of reason since it starts from
>
> the premise of 'god's word. of course, like any set
> of
>
> words out of a social context, words & meaning can
> be
>
> twisted to suit the person[s] who control the agenda
>
> for kids.
>
>
>
> in "seven up", a program on kids from a wide range
> of
>
> social contexts, kids were filmed and followed
> forward
>
> in time.
>
>
>
> i am a lot like the 'small' child who wanted to be a
>
> jockey & was running all over the place as a 7+ year
>
> old [i had a LOT of freeedom as a child, while my
> mum
>
> slept after night shift].
>
>
>
> for the most part, tim costello is a boring prat who
>
> has no creative edge left in his mind i.e., he is
> one
>
> of the many walking talking dead.
>
>
>
> as it turns out, it is easy to fall into this trap
> in
>
> some social systems.
>
>
>
> you got lucky p.a.
>
>
>
> in fact, i listen to you on 'classics' versus now &
>
> think that you have been able to fall out of love
> with
>
> your social conditioning as a corp executive on spin
>
> i.e., i think u are a vastly superior human being
> now
>
> versus 10 years earlier. it is common for gurus from
>
> any walk of life to fall in love with them-selves &
>
> stop listening.
>
>
>
> some education systems strip out the sole of kids
> via
>
> an inert set of ideas that VERY hard to eject - this
>
> is a form of mind kill.
>
>
>
> i heard your second speaker and it is apparent he
>
> mouths some useful ideas but without any sense of
>
> importance and a strategy for making changes in
> social
>
> systems i.e., he did not have a creative edge or
>
> spirit.
>
>
>
> sad.
>
>
>
> it is hard to re-cover once you or your parents sell
>
> your soul and creative edge to a social sacrifice
>
> poST?!
>
>
>
> for example, compare churcher & son from abc art
>
> series - a tragedy in my view. how do i know? i can
>
> hear it in a very direct and clear way [i am
> confident
>
> that if u take the time and allow for a neg spin,
> you
>
> will hear it].
>
>
>
> still, there is not much u can do.
>
>
>
> sadly, our school systems impose a new religion
> called
>
> 'education' for OUR kids. for the most part, the
> only
>
> reason kids do this stuff is to climb the greasy
> pole
>
> of competition in social status [as measured by
>
> teachers who are in a prison imposed from the past
>
> e.g., see nsw].
>
>
>
> no where is this more apparent than with abo' kids -
>
> ideas and method should be adapted to kids, rather
>
> than kids adat to what the teacher imposes. kids do
>
> have a creative edge that most adults lack.
>
>
>
> thus, i do not like many adults esp' our pollies and
>
> other media spin merchants in academia and the
>
> commercial world of lies/spin bias.
>
> b. "u=i".
>
>
>
>
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