[GJM] Is Money Obsolete?

[Dan Parker]

Steve, if you checked the link I sent with the my last
post, you will see that many are working on such things 
as you reiterate; and at a comparitively advanced level.
Rodney Shakespeare and Peter Challen at the organization
hosting this forum are doing likewise (i.e. in their
book that includes binary economics).

Automation, Bucky Fuller's concepts and so on move
on far past the idea of organized labour.

Also, for a global approach, the BIS might be a better
institution to focus on rather than the Federal Reserve (i.e.
many individuals on this list do not get their money
after it flows out of the Fed and through an institution).

I will be getting busy this week, and so would not have
time to continue this discussion, but would encourage you
to read The Seven Steps to Justice by Rodney and Peter
as above, or other works on Binary Economics.

Regards
Dan Parker


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Consilvio 
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  Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [GJM] Is Money Obsolete?




  On Mar 11, 2007, at 8:24 AM, discussion-request at globaljusticemovement.net wrote:
  Dan Parker wrote:

    As well, as to say I'm wrong in my assessement because *just labour* 

    is necessary to make the difference is akin to saying to someone that 

    their life has no value (i.e. the person spending most of their waking hours

    at work now).



  There is not a problem with anybody's labor, per se, but how we "value" labor (which determines what we value.) Elvis Presley, for example, earns $20,000.00 an hour, even though he is dead, because of the privileges certain people get for their TYPE of work above the labor of a different type. We cannot be a society "where all men are created equal," where privileges like this are regarded as "commonsense," and are imbedded in the law.


  To put it another way, it is the accounting system that is nuts, not the people. The people are only destructive because it is impossible to make your numbers balance, and destructive (of others and the environment) behaviors are the most profitable. 


  "We, us, and them" are all the same person. Everyone gets paid by an institutional organization, either directly or indirectly by churches and NGO's, Government or businesses. The individual can only get money AFTER it flows through one of these organizations, and after it flows out of the Federal Reserve. However, "wealth" is created by labor, not by organizations. An organization cannot create wealth, it can only "organize" human labor. Money, and profit are not wealth itself, they are just numbers within the accounting system. 


  Because of consumption, most wealth (labor) is consumed immediately, but the accounting system endures significantly longer, (unforgiven debts, etc.,) because profit is a numerical transaction, and people want to retain "advantageous" numbers. With the persistence of debt and poverty, there is also the persistence of Inflation within the accounting system as well. In my view, it is Inflation that is driving everyone to destructive behaviors of self-survival. (The Interest Mechanism) The only way to escape rising costs of living is to shift these costs to someone else (and thus to another institution.) We all end up playing the part of Scrooge, but we are battling a million other Scooges. There is no way anybody can win in the long term because it is impossible to cost-shift perpetually. The million Scrooges (and inflation) will always win. Everybody and every institution gets to experience loss. Thus, the system is rigged to make everyone a loser. The appearance of winners and losers is an illusion. Those moving up will eventually lose, and those that endure the most are those with government privileges (artists and inventors and landlords,) but they still have to live in an inflationary economy with increasing levels of paranoia and pollution. They cannot escape the blowback, either. 


  Inflation is related to all our political and social and environmental problems. Why do the numbers grow? If the organizations have a budget crisis, then the people must have one as well. Rather than seeing inflation as a separate phenomenon of "the marketplace" we should see it as a result of the marketplace. Since inflation is a man-made phenomenon, the question then is how? In fact, it is not just Interest, but it is profit as well that creates inflation. Both involve the math 2+2=5. (A bust is when 5=2+2) The battle of the Scrooges cannot end until we change what we "value" and how we value things. All labor must be regarded as equal if men are to be equal.


  Another way to look at it: We are all suffering equally in a system that doesn't work because we share common ideas. If we change our ideas in regard to the thing that makes us suffer (money) then we can all enjoy the beneficial changes equally. Using money as an incentive (pollution credits, bribes, punishment,) simply perpetuates the importance of money and the need for money downstream. We need to get back to the idea of organizing labor for the common good and commonwealth, but it needs to be a change the individual can do without an institution, because the institutions are powerless just like everyone else.


  The net effect is that we are all paying for the sins of previous generations. They indoctrinated us into their madness (as they were by their parents.) We can either repeat the same mistakes or correct them for the benefit of the next generation. One thing is sure, if the individual is unwilling to change, then there can be no change in society. In the case of Interest, people only need to change how they handle their surplus. It is a very easy change to make, since in most cases the money is already at risk. People need to risk changing the world, rather than just gambling pointlessly. The individual has to lead, not the institutions.


  peace,
  Steve Consilvio
  www.behappyandfree.com




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