[GJM] John Bunzl, and Transfinancial Economics Pt 3.

[robert searle]

--- robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Dear John,
> 
>       Thank you for your interesting, and
> intelligent
> response. I am coming to the conclusion that a
> multi-faceted strategy is possibly the way forwards
> for  the emergence of TFE in the world. This would
> obviously be helped by SP plus other possible ideas
> yet to be developed.
> 
> I think the positive "in-fighting" concept is very
> important between corporations. Hopefully, a large
> number will see the importance of TFE when the time
> comes. Most of them could isolate the banking system
> because of their huge economic power. Moreover, if
> they did so they would be rewarded by the rich
> democratic governments via super-normal commercial
> grants (ie. authorized electronic transmission of
> billions...) for the mass production of sustainable
> products, and serivces. Small companies could be
> similiarly served  as never before. Thus, global
> sustainability within a "competative" capitalist
> system would become possible.
> 
> SP could play an important role in trying to ensure
> that the proposed Central Treasury Banks in the rich
> countries could be largely if not wholly state-run
> in
> a way which is both transparent, and democratic.
> Private commercial banks though would probably be
> more
> powerful than before but would not have total
> control
> over the creation of new money. As indicated in the
> former paragraph they could be "isolated" to accept
> such a deal at the negotiating table.
> 
> In many respects, SP could deal with the moral
> dimensions of TFE. It could put huge pressure on
> negotiations with governments, banks, and
> corporations
> for a fair global deal ....It would be in everyones
> interest that TFE becomes a reality.....
> 
> More needs to be worked out about the practical
> strategies necessary for what could arguably be the
> greatest social, economic, and political
> "revolution"
> of the 21st century. It will affect everyone, and
> everything on the planet!!
> 
> Apart from the above there is also Positive Human
> (or
> Humanity) Politics (or PHP)too
> which can be be seen as the Modern Universal
> Paradigm
> which stresses the need for positive progressive
> options necessary for the success, and survival of
> the
> human race. Much of it already exists in the public
> domain as potential ideas, and to some extent as
> realities especially in the rich democratic
> countries.
> Ofcourse, SP could play a vital role in all this.
> 
> I have taken the liberty of putting your posts, and
> mine into the public domain (ie the Global Justice
> Movement (net.)discussion forum )as I feel a few
> useful points have been brought up some of which
> will
> probably appear in a new later version of the kheper
> essay on TFE.
> 
> Good Luck with SP.
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Robert Searle.
> 
> 
> 
> accepting --- John Bunzl <jbunzl at simpol.org> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Robert,
> > 
> > Many thanks for your further comment.
> > 
> > Paradoxically, the issue you raise about global
> > captial being able to move
> > pre-emptively to thwart the implementation of
> > socially or environmentally
> > beneficial measures is precisely WHY we need SP.
> > Because pre-emptive capital
> > movements are what we already see today.
> > 
> > As you know, SP would only be implemented once all
> > or sufficient nations are
> > on board. On the scenario you describe, there
> > wouldn't be sufficient
> > trustworthy nations on board for implementation to
> > proceed securely, so it
> > wouldn't proceed.
> > 
> > However, the point you make about third-world
> > countries not being
> > sufficiently trust-worthy to implement SP (even if
> > they pledged their
> > support for it) assumes that corporations and
> banks
> > will ALWAYS see SP as
> > being counter to their best interests. It is
> > certainly true that they would
> > see it that way today. But as time goes on and
> > global warming, debt,
> > peak-oil, etc, etc, etc gradually threaten to
> > overcome everyone, it is soon
> > going to become very clear that it is in corporate
> > and banking best
> > interests to SUPPORT an orderly transition to a
> more
> > just and sustainable
> > world order (such as SP would facilitate) and not
> to
> > undermine it. This
> > would at least allow thier survival even if it
> would
> > divest them of their
> > right to create money out of nothing and so on.
> The
> > alternative would be
> > their demise, along with everyone else's.
> > 
> > Therefore, as that realisation dawns on them, far
> > from undermining the
> > implementation of SP by taking the kind of action
> > your describe, the major
> > nations, corporations and banks - backed by mass
> > public electoral support
> > for SP around the world - are going to see it as
> in
> > their interests to
> > ensure that third-world countries tow the line and
> > implement SP securely and
> > effectively.
> > 
> > The same, in a sense, goes for the general public.
> > You are right to suggest 
> > that they have lost faith in politics as a means
> for
> > change and that they 
> > feel disempowered. But as global problems worsen
> and
> > citizens increasingly 
> > come to realise that neither conventional NGOs nor
> > governments are able to 
> > act substantively, and as Simpol increasing shows
> > that it is effective (as 
> > it did at the last UK general election), citizens
> > will come to see Simpol as 
> > a way of re-empowering their votes.
> > 
> > So I think one needs to look at the whole
> situation
> > more as an
> > evolving process under which worsening
> circumstances
> > drive a change in
> > peoples' view as to what is in their best
> interests
> > and how best to act. 
> > That, as I hope the
> > book I sent you will explain, is how evolution
> > works.
> > 
> > Your suggestion about developing some positive
> > in-fighting between
> > corporations and banks could also form part of the
> > change of mind-set I
> > describe. Such in-fighting would put us in a
> useful
> > position to 'divide and
> > rule' and so to push both towards TFE or Simpol or
> > both.
> > 
> > Having said all that, of course no one knows how
> > things will turn out so the
> > best policy is for us to support each other. Our
> > webmaster for our UK
> > website is creating a links page at present and we
> > will add the link to TFE
> > on it just as soon as the page is uploaded.
> > 
> > best wishes
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "robert searle" <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk>
> > To: "John Bunzl" <jbunzl at simpol.org>
> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: For John Bunzl ..................A
> 
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