[GJM] Fw: Global warming: the final verdict

Tue Jan 23 15:00:16 MST 2007

Martin, thanks for your comments  Martin is a
member of the Global Justice Movement 
discussion list

I am commenting interspersed in msg below.   

-------Original Message-------

From: Martin Hattersley
Date: 01/23/07 10:44:04
To: marguerite hampton; discussion at globaljusticemovement.net;
awpd at yahoogroups.com; ConsilienceP; GatherTheWomen; Peace_ERA; FixGov;
Centre4Change
Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Global warming: the final verdict

Marguerite -

It seems to me that we need to redesign our whole debt-based bank credit
system, abandon the idea of "full employment" by guaranteeing a basic
income to all, and cancel the greatest part of third world debt.

M: Martin I believe that the "system' is in the process of redesigning
itself.
As the housing bubble bursts here in the U.S., leaving millions of people 
homeless and without employment, local communities will be forced to 
turn to local currency programs in order to survive the crisis. This 
de-linking"
from the national and international economy will set up a decentralized 
system of "Gaian democracies" worldwide which will then reform into a 
networked system as the present artificially-constructed non-viable 
debt-based world-wide economic system collapses,and a self-organizing 
movement forms to create a life-giving wholistic/organic system to take its 
place. 

Life systems are always moving toward health and wholeness and the process 
we are currently going through is one of "getting rid of the 
crap/corruptions/pus" 
from the "abscess" we have created, so that the system may heal naturally. 

Martin: The economic problems we face as a result of our monetary system's
imbalances are purely artificial and can be corrected, whereas the damage we
are doing to the environment may well be irremediable.

M:  Yes, you are sayig the same thing here that I am saying.

Martin: However, the forces opposed to a change in our capitalist system by 
those who profit from it in the form of wealth, prestige and power are
extremely
strong, so let's not underestimate the strength of the challenge that
ecologists face. At least it seems as if the public is beginning to wake up!

M.  Yes, dis-ease is always a tenacious foe -- a parasite which can easily
get into 
the blood stream of society and suck the life from its host as the two
become 
"co-dependent" -- .  It is the "addiction " inherent in the "master-slave"
relationship. 
Addiction is a very "passive -aggressive" pathology and consequently
extremely 
difficult to deal with. It creeps in and tries to fill up holes in the
psyche left by the 
absence of nourishing and healthy activity. In this case, we are talking
about the
emptiness that technology leaves us with  

In order for us to heal, it is necessary to partake of healthy activity
which in this case 
means a return to such things as community, natural living, equality,
vitality, and belonging.  
The feminine qualities inherent at the beginning of our biological evolution
which have 
been suppressed by the emergent masculine technological qualities, leaving
us, as a 
society (a collective consciousness) unbalanced.

The collapse of the artificially-constructed economic system (which has
taken such a toll 
on our fragile ecosystems) is now forcing us back into more organic forms of
living again. 
Its a positive feed back loop. 

One of the major problems inherent within the present sytem is that it
relies on politics for leadership, and as a completely left-brain linear
activity, politics is completely unable to 
manage reality.  As such it is the "problem" rather than the "solution".  We
need to move out 
of this configuration and into "whole brain" (holodynamic/holographic)
thinkiing as a "collective consciousness".  

The trick is to seek systemic balance so that we may move forward into the
future in 
health and wholeness.  Dr. Jay Earley, www.earley.org, in his book: 
Transforming Human 
Culture - Social Evolution and the Planetary Crisis" has developed a model
for moving society.
in this direction. I do believe that for those seeking answers, this
proposal is well worth consideration  for there are factors other than the
monetary system that need consideration, and Earley's view encompasses "the
whole big picture"  He gets us out of flatland and into the realm 
of "multi-dimensional science-based solutions"that are practical and offer
great hope for healing. 

http://www.earley.org/Transformation/transforming_human_culture.htm

with love and warm regards to all 
marguerite 

Martin Hattersley
5929 - 189 St.,
EDMONTON AB CANADA T6M 2J1

e-mail: jmartinh at shaw.ca

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Subject: Fw: Re: Fw: Global warming: the final verdict

Hi Tim,

While Gore may get his information from the same place as the
rest of us, what I feel makes the difference is how the information
is interpreted and presented.

While I have not seen the movie The Inconvenient Truth, I did view a
DVD upon which the movie was based showing the initial presentation
of material gathered by Gore upon which to base his case so to speak.
Views to the degree of ice melt as graphically shown were very
dramatic and certainly support the view of "in his lifetime".

Whereas other presentations have been designed to downplay the
severity of the situation in order to mitigate the chaos that may be a
result of "panic in the marketplace" due to the measures that must be
taken in order to deal with the situation appropriately.

It does appear to me that "economic collapse" carries wih it as deadly
a prophesy in many ways as does "ecological collapse" -- however,
economic collapse deals "constructed system" while ecological collapse
is based in the reality of our natural biological systems.
And while artifically-constructed systems may with relative ease, be
redesigned
and reconstructed to serve us more effectively and efficiently, the
reconstruction
of natural systems sufficient to support life again as in the past may take
eons to accomplish.

This seems to portend that we must relie more on "artificial intelligence"
and artificially-constructed systems in order to transport ourselves through
this time of great crisis. But, it will be important that these
artificially-constructed
systems mimic to a large degree the natural systems of the past.

Any thoughts on this?

-------Original Message-------

From: Tim Jones
Date: 01/21/07 20:08:59
To: marguerite hampton
Subject: Re: Fw: Global warming: the final verdict

Hi Eco,

Al Gore was born 31 March 1948. He's five years
younger than I am.

He gets his information from the same places all the rest
of us do. I've had lunch with Al Gore. I listened to his
presentation in Feb 2006, months before it became a movie.

I took this photo. The woman is Evelyn Hurwich, President of the Circumpolar
Conservation Union.

Tim

At 7:13 PM -0800 1/21/07, marguerite hampton wrote:
Thanks again,Tim for your input. I had been reading
reports such as this in the past few weeks which is why
I felt global climate change to be happening much more
quickly than anticipated.

Just the local climate change alone over the past few
years has been noticeable. And, I can't believe that it
will be 50 to a hundred years before the full affect hits.

While this report talks about the Gulf Stream remaining
stable, I just read another report yesterday saying it
had stalled completely on 11 December 2006 and then
reversed direction. I am more trustful of my intuition than
news reports and still feel that Gore is closer to the truth
than anyone,and it will be "within his is lifetime'. How old
is he anyway?

eco

-------Original Message-------

From: Tim Jones
Date: 01/21/07 17:42:27
To: AAA:,
Subject: Global warming: the final verdict

Global warming: the final verdict
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1995348,00.html
A study by the world's leading experts says
global warming will happen faster and be more
devastating than previously thought
Robin McKie, science editor
Sunday January 21, 2007
The Observer

Global warming is destined to have a far more
destructive and earlier impact than previously
estimated, the most authoritative report yet
produced on climate change will warn next week.

A draft copy of the Fourth Assessment Report of
the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change,
obtained by The Observer, shows the frequency of
devastating storms - like the ones that battered
Britain last week - will increase dramatically.
Sea levels will rise over the century by around
half a metre; snow will disappear from all but
the highest mountains; deserts will spread;
oceans become acidic, leading to the destruction
of coral reefs and atolls; and deadly heatwaves
will become more prevalent.

The impact will be catastrophic, forcing hundreds
of millions of people to flee their devastated
homelands, particularly in tropical, low-lying
areas, while creating waves of immigrants whose
movements will strain the economies of even the
most affluent countries.

'The really chilling thing about the IPCC report
is that it is the work of several thousand
climate experts who have widely differing views
about how greenhouse gases will have their
effect. Some think they will have a major impact,
others a lesser role. Each paragraph of this
report was therefore argued over and scrutinised
intensely. Only points that were considered
indisputable survived this process. This is a
very conservative document - that's what makes it
so scary,' said one senior UK climate expert.

Climate concerns are likely to dominate
international politics next month. President Bush
is to make the issue a part of his state of the
union address on Wednesday while the IPCC
report's final version is set for release on 2
February in a set of global news conferences.

Although the final wording of the report is still
being worked on, the draft indicates that
scientists now have their clearest idea so far
about future climate changes, as well as about
recent events. It points out that:

· 12 of the past 13 years were the warmest since records began;

· ocean temperatures have risen at least three kilometres beneath the
surface;

· glaciers, snow cover and permafrost have decreased in both hemispheres;

· sea levels are rising at the rate of almost 2mm a year;

· cold days, nights and frost have become rarer
while hot days, hot nights and heatwaves have
become more frequent.

And the cause is clear, say the authors: 'It is
very likely that [man-made] greenhouse gas
increases caused most of the average temperature
increases since the mid-20th century,' says the
report.

To date, these changes have caused global
temperatures to rise by 0.6C. The most likely
outcome of continuing rises in greenhouses gases
will be to make the planet a further 3C hotter by
2100, although the report acknowledges that rises
of 4.5C to 5C could be experienced. Ice-cap
melting, rises in sea levels, flooding, cyclones
and storms will be an inevitable consequence.

Past assessments by the IPCC have suggested such
scenarios are 'likely' to occur this century. Its
latest report, based on sophisticated computer
models and more detailed observations of snow
cover loss, sea level rises and the spread of
deserts, is far more robust and confident. Now
the panel writes of changes as 'extremely likely'
and 'almost certain'.

And in a specific rebuff to sceptics who still
argue natural variation in the Sun's output is
the real cause of climate change, the panel says
mankind's industrial emissions have had five
times more effect on the climate than any
fluctuations in solar radiation. We are the
masters of our own destruction, in short.

There is some comfort, however. The panel
believes the Gulf Stream will go on bathing
Britain with its warm waters for the next 100
years. Some researchers have said it could be
disrupted by cold waters pouring off Greenland's
melting ice sheets, plunging western Europe into
a mini Ice Age, as depicted in the disaster film
The Day After Tomorrow.

The report reflects climate scientists' growing
fears that Earth is nearing the stage when carbon
dioxide rises will bring irreversible change to
the planet. 'We are seeing vast sections of
Antarctic ice disappearing at an alarming rate,'
said climate expert Chris Rapley, in a phone call
to The Observer from the Antarctic Peninsula last
week. 'That means we can expect to see sea levels
rise at about a metre a century from now on - and
that will have devastating consequences.'

However, there is still hope, said Peter Cox of
Exeter University. 'We are like alcoholics who
have got as far as admitting there is a problem.
It is a start. Now we have got to start drying
out - which means reducing our carbon output.'

Posted by Tim
AustinTexas
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