[GJM] APOLOGIES ........ Working with Banks, and Corporations to Achieve a High Degree of Global Justice?

[robert searle]

Dear All,

        I apologize if I went a little over the top in
any way in my most recent posts. This was not
intentional, and I can be a little over zealous at
times, and on very rare occassion loose my cool to use
the American experession.

My research, and development project of TFE means alot
to me, and I am determined...God willing...to improve
upon it as much as possible. 

I know that  some of the notions presented in these
posts may seem "mad" or "alien" in nature  but we do I
feel need to look at the whole picture of monetary
reform in a new radical light. They have to be
understood in the context of TFE. Moreover, they will
probably need further modification to become in any
way credible.

Some people here also believe in community
currencies.This is fine but they do not fully address
the REAL problem of global justice which is what we
should be concentrating on more, and more on. They 
along with self-sufficiency, and human scale
communities will not transform the financial system in
record time...thats why I do not bother with them much
though I would have to include something on them in
the TFE equation. Yet, I can understand people taking
the path of independence, and "voluntary simplicity."
There is alot to be said for it...

Anyway, the above paragraph though is not really
connected with my latest post. This is just a
"general" comment on another issue.


Regards,

Robert Searle.



--- robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> With respect, I do not think you understand how
> Transfinancial Economics work. Hyper-inflation via
> the
> creation of new unearned money is an impossibility.
> Remember that virtually all money exists as
> electronic
> transmissions from one account to another. Most
> products, and services would by law be subject to
> super-flexible pricing which allows for competition.
> The full methods of how this works has yet to be
> fully
> worked out  with the help of economists, and IT
> experts. 
> 
> Such electronic controls over inflation are clearly
> possible. They are the downside of TFE but
> businesses
> would learn to accept  them because taxation, and
> interest on loans would no longer exist in a TF
> economy.
> 
> Again, in TFE hyper-inflation, and mass devaluation
> are virtually impossible. 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Robert Searle
> --- Steve Nieman <stevenieman at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Robert, Steve and all,
> > 
> > Another thing to try while we wait for political
> > processes to address  
> > these enormous problems with the way our
> governments
> > create and  
> > deploy currency and credit is start new
> corporations
> > that don't buy  
> > into this system.  Offer your customers low-cost
> > credit NOT  
> > compounded, but simple interest.  Explain to them
> > how this racket  
> > works, and how this business is NOT going to
> operate
> > that way.  Offer  
> > securities that don't enslave people yet create
> real
> > new wealth.  New  
> > banks could be started offering credit that will
> > actually work in the  
> > economy.
> > 
> > I know this takes a lot of effort, but some of us
> > have begun this  
> > process.  And it's been a lot of fun so far. 
> People
> > just eat it up  
> > when they become convinced they truly are getting
> a
> > better deal.
> > 
> > Just like Steve Consilvio points out in his
> article
> > The Interest  
> > Mechanism (and numerous other authors have too),
> the
> > geometric facts  
> > of compounded interest and inflation doom REAL,
> > stable businesses.   
> > Start one that won't head down this road.
> > 
> > At some point, you will out-compete companies who
> > are using the  
> > doomsday business plan.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Steve Nieman
> > Interim CEO, Downwind Corp
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > On Feb 21, 2007, at 4:14 AM, robert searle wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear Steve Consilvio, et al,
> > >
> > >              It is good to see you on the site,
> > and
> > > making interesting contributions.However, there
> > are a
> > > number of points to be made.........
> > >
> > > You are right to some extent in saying  that you
> > > cannot"bribe" banks, and corporationsinto moral
> > > behaviour, and that this is patently absurd.
> What
> > we
> > > are talking about here though is OUTER CHANGE,
> and
> > not
> > > inner change. The latter is more difficult to
> > alter if
> > > not impossible in connection with mega..mega
> > business.
> > >
> > > But what is the alternative? There is virtually
> > none
> > > except the same old line about society becoming
> > moral,
> > > less selfish, and materialistic. Can you ever
> > imagine
> > > banks, and corporations ever doing this unless
> it
> > is
> > > in their own financial interest? The answer is
> > clearly
> > > no.
> > >
> > >  It is absurd  to suggest that business people
> in
> > > corporations, and banks are suddenly converted
> to
> > > morality by simply having financial incentives
> to
> > > change the ways they operate. But that is NOT
> THE
> > > POINT.
> > >
> > > Money, and power is all that they fully, and
> > really
> > > appreciate so you have to somehow reach them at
> > their
> > > own level so that humanity has a chance of
> > SURVIVING .
> > > Alternatively, we can waste our time USELESSLY
> > through
> > > launching a moral campaign for monetary
> > > reform.....unless ofcourse there is a huge
> amount
> > of
> > > public support which is unlikely.
> > >
> > > Moreover, it would take too much time, and
> finance
> > for
> > > it to be truly successful. Unfortunately, we do
> > NOT
> > > have much time if this planet is to survive.
> This
> > is
> > > the key point. So, we have to put our moral
> > > perceptions on monetary reform, and the super
> rich
> > on
> > > the backburner for the time being, and embrace
> the
> > > evolving concepts of Transfinancial Economics.
> > >
> > > I have to admit to find that a few people on
> this
> > site
> > > are somewhat naive, and unrealistic when it
> comes
> > to
> > > monetary refor. However, everyone has the human
> > right
> > > to express their opinions.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Robert Searle.
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > --- Steve Consilvio <steve at behappyandfree.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Profit and Interest are both mathematically
> > >> impossible in the long
> > >> term. (See The Interest Mechanism on my
> website.)
> > >> Both create
> > >> inflation and the inevitable division of wealth
> > >> follows, along with  (snipped)
> > 
> > 
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