[GJM] Working with Banks, and Corporations to Achieve a High Degree of Global Justice? VERY IMPORTANT TO FULLY UNDERSTAND.

[robert searle]

With respect you do NOT understand. In the future
transnational corporations would be paid new unearned
money by rich Western governments, and certain special
NGOs to undertake the mass production of sustainable
technologies and/or projects WHICH WOULD BE OTHERWISE
UNVIABLE FROM A BUSINESS POINT OF VIEW. They are
legally "bribed" to do this with massive financial
incentives notably grants, subsidies on products
and/or services, as well as  interest free loans when
they become self-sufficient.

These TNCs could if necessary compete with one another
to attract greater, and greater funding from the rich
countries of the world. The more sustainable their
products, and services the more financial aid..and
ultimately greater profit they get!! It can be seen as
being akin to business logic in reverse in many
cases!!

Using taxpayers money to achieve such aims is
superflous, and far too limited. With new unearned
money sustainability on a massive global scale becomes
increasingly  possible at record speed, and poverty as
we understand it will disappear. 

As for the oil industry some of the business can be
bought up gradually. Shareholders could receive large
pay offs, and those who are the top people of such
companies involved could continue to be paid huge
profits by new unearned money, and indeed, get
more.... on condition that they start to create new
corporations (or reform the existing ones) involved
with the development, creation, and deployment of
sustainable technologies, and services. 

None of the above requires any kind of moral change of
the top people in the corporation. But, it does
require a total re-thinking of business strategies
that will ultimately lead to greater profits, and more
importantly greater global justice.

Comprendi?

Regards,

Robert Searle.




--- Muhammad Mukhtar Alam <mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Dear Robert,
>    
>   Greetings for peace , 
>    
>   Moral suasion is critical for refoming the
> instituions of finance .I have a real example
> .Gurgaon near Delhi is home to many skyscrapers and
> houses most of the MNCs and only 30 kilometers away
> in the district of Mewat ,women are forced to draw
> from the wells that does not have even the pulley
> for easy drawing of the water. The villages with
> ecologically usstaianble agriculture may survive all
> the commotions that city may face after the
> petro-modern systems of transporations, water supply
> is exhausted . We have this great need to transform
> the skyscrapper infested urban habitats designs that
> is being presented as the model cities .
>    
>   Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
>    
>   
> 
> robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>   Dear Steve Consilvio, et al,
> 
> It is good to see you on the site, and
> making interesting contributions.However, there are
> a
> number of points to be made.........
> 
> You are right to some extent in saying that you
> cannot"bribe" banks, and corporationsinto moral
> behaviour, and that this is patently absurd. What we
> are talking about here though is OUTER CHANGE, and
> not
> inner change. The latter is more difficult to alter
> if
> not impossible in connection with mega..mega
> business.
> 
> But what is the alternative? There is virtually none
> except the same old line about society becoming
> moral,
> less selfish, and materialistic. Can you ever
> imagine
> banks, and corporations ever doing this unless it is
> in their own financial interest? The answer is
> clearly
> no.
> 
> It is absurd to suggest that business people in
> corporations, and banks are suddenly converted to
> morality by simply having financial incentives to
> change the ways they operate. But that is NOT THE
> POINT.
> 
> Money, and power is all that they fully, and really 
> appreciate so you have to somehow reach them at
> their
> own level so that humanity has a chance of SURVIVING
> .
> Alternatively, we can waste our time USELESSLY
> through
> launching a moral campaign for monetary
> reform.....unless ofcourse there is a huge amount of
> public support which is unlikely. 
> 
> Moreover, it would take too much time, and finance
> for
> it to be truly successful. Unfortunately, we do NOT
> have much time if this planet is to survive. This is
> the key point. So, we have to put our moral
> perceptions on monetary reform, and the super rich
> on
> the backburner for the time being, and embrace the
> evolving concepts of Transfinancial Economics. 
> 
> I have to admit to find that a few people on this
> site
> are somewhat naive, and unrealistic when it comes to
> monetary refor. However, everyone has the human
> right
> to express their opinions.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Robert Searle.
> 
> 
> 
> --- Steve Consilvio wrote:
> 
> > Profit and Interest are both mathematically
> > impossible in the long 
> > term. (See The Interest Mechanism on my website.)
> > Both create 
> > inflation and the inevitable division of wealth
> > follows, along with 
> > the conflicts. To think that one can "bribe" moral
> > behavior is 
> > patently absurd, since accepting the bribe is
> > immoral behavior.
> > 
> > It is the whole concept of the market economy that
> > must be re- 
> > invented. Unfortunately, marketplace theory is at
> > the center of all 
> > three empires: business, government and
> non-profits.
> > As such, a 
> > radical restructuring is necessary, and it
> requires
> > a unique 
> > combination of faith, humility and charity. A
> > Jubilee should be 
> > regarded as the proper goal, but in fact that
> would
> > only be the 
> > result of a strategy of dis-investment and
> > non-participation within 
> > the status quo. Since all three empires need to
> > change, and in 
> > general people move from empire to empire in
> search
> > of a solution, 
> > this is no easy intellectual, spiritual or
> practical
> > task. 
> > Complacency is a mountain and those satisfied with
> > the present are 
> > not easily convinced of the possibility of a world
> > of compounding 
> > renaissance's.
> > 
> > Man has a vigorous capacity to think abstractly,
> > which is why science 
> > is even possible. That same power of abstraction
> has
> > grown with 
> > widespread literacy, but the central issue remains
> > the same: You 
> > cannot build a moral world without moral people.
> > Marketplace theory 
> > is simply an excuse for sin by the angry and
> greedy,
> > and since 
> > everyone is doing it it seems a requirement to
> > participate in the 
> > same manner. Those who lead with a moral vision
> will
> > always take it 
> > on the chin, but unfortunately there is no other
> way
> > to improve 
> > things: To create a moral society leaders must
> lead
> > by example. Of 
> > course, there are plenty of leaders who wrap their
> > anger and greed in 
> > morality.
> > 
> > As society has more moral people it becomes easier
> > to lead a moral 
> > life. Morality, however, cannot be self-defined or
> > self-approved 
> > (that is self-righteousness.) There needs to be a
> > discussion of what 
> > morality "is," since many fail to see that
> "justice"
> > is another word 
> > for revenge, and that "rights" is another word for
> > privileges. 
> > Changing places in the system should not be seen
> as
> > changing the 
> > system itself. The power of mercy lays dormant
> > because all three 
> > empires are gripped by their own version of fear,
> > pride and greed, 
> > and as such the individual must suffer for the
> good
> > of the insane, 
> > regardless of which empire is dominant at any
> > moment. People simply 
> > do not recognize that they are enslaved by an
> empire
> > when it is an 
> > empire of their own choosing.
> > 
> > None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who
> > falsely believe they 
> > are free. - Johann Wolfgang van Goethe
> > 
> > Peace,
> > Steve
> > www.behappyandfree.com
> > 
> > 
> > On Feb 20, 2007, at 2:00 PM, discussion- 
> > request at globaljusticemovement.net wrote:
> > 
> 
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