[GJM] Working with Banks, and Corporations to Achieve a High Degree of Global Justice?

Wed Feb 21 08:29:43 MST 2007

Dear Robert,

  Greetings for peace , 

  Moral suasion is critical for refoming the instituions of finance .I have a real example .Gurgaon near Delhi is home to many skyscrapers and houses most of the MNCs and only 30 kilometers away in the district of Mewat ,women are forced to draw from the wells that does not have even the pulley for easy drawing of the water. The villages with ecologically usstaianble agriculture may survive all the commotions that city may face after the petro-modern systems of transporations, water supply is exhausted . We have this great need to transform the skyscrapper infested urban habitats designs that is being presented as the model cities .

  Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam

robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
  Dear Steve Consilvio, et al,

It is good to see you on the site, and
making interesting contributions.However, there are a
number of points to be made.........

You are right to some extent in saying that you
cannot"bribe" banks, and corporationsinto moral
behaviour, and that this is patently absurd. What we
are talking about here though is OUTER CHANGE, and not
inner change. The latter is more difficult to alter if
not impossible in connection with mega..mega business.

But what is the alternative? There is virtually none
except the same old line about society becoming moral,
less selfish, and materialistic. Can you ever imagine
banks, and corporations ever doing this unless it is
in their own financial interest? The answer is clearly
no.

It is absurd to suggest that business people in
corporations, and banks are suddenly converted to
morality by simply having financial incentives to
change the ways they operate. But that is NOT THE
POINT.

Money, and power is all that they fully, and really 
appreciate so you have to somehow reach them at their
own level so that humanity has a chance of SURVIVING .
Alternatively, we can waste our time USELESSLY through
launching a moral campaign for monetary
reform.....unless ofcourse there is a huge amount of
public support which is unlikely. 

Moreover, it would take too much time, and finance for
it to be truly successful. Unfortunately, we do NOT
have much time if this planet is to survive. This is
the key point. So, we have to put our moral
perceptions on monetary reform, and the super rich on
the backburner for the time being, and embrace the
evolving concepts of Transfinancial Economics. 

I have to admit to find that a few people on this site
are somewhat naive, and unrealistic when it comes to
monetary refor. However, everyone has the human right
to express their opinions.

Regards,

Robert Searle.

--- Steve Consilvio wrote:

> Profit and Interest are both mathematically
> impossible in the long 
> term. (See The Interest Mechanism on my website.)
> Both create 
> inflation and the inevitable division of wealth
> follows, along with 
> the conflicts. To think that one can "bribe" moral
> behavior is 
> patently absurd, since accepting the bribe is
> immoral behavior.
> 
> It is the whole concept of the market economy that
> must be re- 
> invented. Unfortunately, marketplace theory is at
> the center of all 
> three empires: business, government and non-profits.
> As such, a 
> radical restructuring is necessary, and it requires
> a unique 
> combination of faith, humility and charity. A
> Jubilee should be 
> regarded as the proper goal, but in fact that would
> only be the 
> result of a strategy of dis-investment and
> non-participation within 
> the status quo. Since all three empires need to
> change, and in 
> general people move from empire to empire in search
> of a solution, 
> this is no easy intellectual, spiritual or practical
> task. 
> Complacency is a mountain and those satisfied with
> the present are 
> not easily convinced of the possibility of a world
> of compounding 
> renaissance's.
> 
> Man has a vigorous capacity to think abstractly,
> which is why science 
> is even possible. That same power of abstraction has
> grown with 
> widespread literacy, but the central issue remains
> the same: You 
> cannot build a moral world without moral people.
> Marketplace theory 
> is simply an excuse for sin by the angry and greedy,
> and since 
> everyone is doing it it seems a requirement to
> participate in the 
> same manner. Those who lead with a moral vision will
> always take it 
> on the chin, but unfortunately there is no other way
> to improve 
> things: To create a moral society leaders must lead
> by example. Of 
> course, there are plenty of leaders who wrap their
> anger and greed in 
> morality.
> 
> As society has more moral people it becomes easier
> to lead a moral 
> life. Morality, however, cannot be self-defined or
> self-approved 
> (that is self-righteousness.) There needs to be a
> discussion of what 
> morality "is," since many fail to see that "justice"
> is another word 
> for revenge, and that "rights" is another word for
> privileges. 
> Changing places in the system should not be seen as
> changing the 
> system itself. The power of mercy lays dormant
> because all three 
> empires are gripped by their own version of fear,
> pride and greed, 
> and as such the individual must suffer for the good
> of the insane, 
> regardless of which empire is dominant at any
> moment. People simply 
> do not recognize that they are enslaved by an empire
> when it is an 
> empire of their own choosing.
> 
> None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who
> falsely believe they 
> are free. - Johann Wolfgang van Goethe
> 
> Peace,
> Steve
> www.behappyandfree.com
> 
> 
> On Feb 20, 2007, at 2:00 PM, discussion- 
> request at globaljusticemovement.net wrote:
> 
> > Dear All,
> >
> > This may be of interest, and is concerned
> with
> > TFE. I put this post on a conspiracy theory
> > site.........
> >
> > 
> http://www.neuworldorder.com/comment/reply/135/17
> 
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