[GJM] Fw: Re: More on "If America Knew" by Wallace Klinck

Sat Feb 3 17:56:46 MST 2007

Wallace,  I do remember hearing this statement from
Ariel Sharon now that you mention it. 

You wrote in part:  

Marguerite, I don't know what the actual AIPAC membership is among U.S.
legislators but I am fairly sure that you must be aware of the reported
statement of Ariel Sharon not long ago while in debate during a Knesset
session he is reported to have admonished a concerned member of the
Oppostion not to worry about the Americans because "we" control them and 
they" know it. 
 happens every time I hit some "hot 
You also wrote in part:  .

Incidentally, if you have been accused of "Antisemitism" do such accusations
 mean to suggest that you are opposed to almost the entire arab (genuinely
Semitic) world?  My understanding is that only a relatively small percentage
of persons usually designated as "Jewish" are actually Semitic in background

Wallace, what you write here was also brought up by defenders at that time. 
Several years ago I was pointing out that almost all U.S. media is
controlled by seven Jewish men.  But this had been little discussed
previously.  So, there was a lot of disbelief and attempted intimidation in
order to keep this a secret, in part, by Jews who are not Zionists but who 
walk in fear" because many people do not disciminate between those who are
and those who aren't. So, Jews, like many of us get thrown under one blanket
so to speak by "labeling"  -- an unfortunate circumstance that tends to
obfuscate the real issues.  The real issue at that time was not about
whether one was Jewish or not, but about whether these people were acting in
collusion to control what was presented via the media.      

Wallace, I do not have a profile on you-- would you like to introduce
yourself to the list? If not, I recognize that many members  prefer to
remain fairly anonymous and that's OK.  Actually, I used "eco" or 
ecopilgrim" exclusively for a long time because I was afraid to speak out in
my own name about what I know. Now  I realize that fear or no fear, the
danger increases expoentially by remaining silent.  These things need to be
screamed from the rooftops. .

And, BTW my computer has been invaded again as  I hit some "hot" buttons  on
issues that certain people would rather not have aired.  . 

eco   

-------Original Message-------

From: Wallace Klinck
Date: 02/03/07 02:30:32
To: marguerite hampton
Subject: Re: If America Knew -- Good questions by Tim Jones

Marguerite, I don't know what the actual AIPAC membership is among U.S.
legislators but I am fairly sure that you must be aware of the reported
statement of Ariel Sharon not long ago while in debate during a Knesset
session he is reported to have admonished a concerned member of the
Oppostion not to worry about the Americans because "we" control them and 
they" know it.  One would think that an authenticated statement of this sort
 would elicit a general outrage on the part of U.S. citizenry--but, for some
mysterious reason, apparently not.  (?)  Are the Americans occupying a
sovereign state or are they incapable of running their own affairs?  If they
don't start fairly soon, the consequences (already dreadful in the past) for
the future appear to be frightening, indeed.  This is a truly amazing and
almost incomprehensible situation and has certainly not contributed to the
popularity of America abroad.  Surely it can be explained only by some kind
of general induced hypnosis.  Surely, the way to enhance national security
would be to make friends rather than millions and even billions of enemies. 
Have you ever visited such as Dr. Alfred Lillienthal's website, for example?

Incidentally, if you have been accused of "Antisemitism" do such accusations
 mean to suggest that you are opposed to almost the entire arab (genuinely
Semitic) world?  My understanding is that only a relatively small percentage
of persons usually designated as "Jewish" are actually Semitic in background
  This was discussed years ago even in Time Magazine.  Are you familiar with
Arthur Koestler's work of some years ago, ttitled The Thirteenth Tribe? 
Koestler, disillusioned as he may have become in his later life, I think one
might fairly say, was hardly an inconsequential author of the 20th century. 
It's truly amazing what can be done with the manipulation of language!  

On 2-Feb-07, at 11:23 PM, marguerite hampton wrote:

Hi Everyone -  Tim Jones has raised some questIons re: AIPAC LOBBY.  When
this message came though, I did some checking because I wanted to know where
the money for the "strong Israel Lobby" was coming from, and while I have
some suspicions of my own on this issue, I'm careful because I've been
slammed with the "you're anti-semitic" bit too many times when I tried to
bring out info on this, and then my computer's been invaded.  I also removed
Hugh's last name from the e-mail because I felt it was rather brave of him
to forward this message, but I didn't want his e-mail addy revealed due to
my own experience.  And, I did consider whether I should forward it or not
as this seems to be one of the issues you just don't talk about in America. 

Some very revealing information as to how PACs are set up can be found in
two of Jeffrey Birnbaum's books:  "The Money Men" and "The Lobbyists".
Birnbaum, for those who don't know him, as a correspondant for The
Washington Post, Fortune magazine, Time and The Wall Street
Journal, has been in a position to "learn about things most of us never
dreamed of".  And he offers an unusually candid look at "K" Street Lobbyists
in Washington and and how they influence congress. 

One of the first things being that these lobbyists earn as much as a million
dollars a year or more,
paid by the corporations to get legislation through Congress.  Most of them
are attorneys who have run for and served as a Senator or Representative in
order to become eligible for the position of a "K"  Street lobbyist.  "Nice
work if you can get it". So, I have to ask here "What does this say about
some of the people who run for Congress? Where do their loyalties lay
-- but then, money talks doesn't it? A million or more annually is not to be
sneezed at -- and what about the prestige that goes along with it? And how
many Congress persons are above taking a kickback in return for a vote. Now
I'm not saying all Congress persons can be compromised, but it appears that
a certain percentage can be influenced.  And maybe even influenced by lies. 
If the pharmaceutical and tobacco companies can lie and get legislation
passed in their behalf  -- how many lies can other large corporations, using
lobbyists, get away with?  Like munitions manufacturers for instance.
Without wars, they have no sales. Why did we go into Afghanistan, Iraq, and
now potentially Iran?  Anything to do with production and sales in order to
keep ROI for investors high? 

And, I also have to look at what I know about how many "influential
positions" are filled by what are known as "Skull and Bones' people.   

Would it surprise you to know that the largest PAC in the U.S.is the
Association of Retired Persons.  And, Birnbaum reveals how this PAC is 
managed" so as to get legislation wanted by the corporations passed.  Any
idea how many retired persons depend on their ROI to make ends meet?  And,
what happens to them if we don't keep fighting wars?  And, please don't
mistake this to mean that I'm "for war". Just considering the facts as I see
them.

So, all in all, when someone posts on a website that 50% of congress belongs
to AIPAC, from where I sit, doesn't seem too far-fetched in today's world. 
Can I prove it? Can you disprove it
?  Probably not, but then I believe in the old adage "where there's smoke,
there's fire". . . 

But, then, I 'd also like to add: Not all Jews are Zionists, not all Muslims
are terrorists, and not all Americans are Imperialists -- so we need to be
exceedingly careful about labeling. And, we are all "more than any one
situation".   .  

Also that the system we now operate under is broken/corrupted  beyond repair
-- we need a new system. Jesus, himself couldn't work ethically within the
one we have now. When we fully awake to that fact, we may have a place to
start the healing/balancing  process, until then we will continue in this
dissociated state imbued with endless addictions.

IMHO

Please convey my feelings on this to Al Gore, Tim, the next time you talk
with him.
And, thank you for all you do.   

eco  .   

-------Original Message-------

From: Tim Jones
Date: 02/02/07 18:12:09
To: marguerite hampton;
Subject: Re: Fw: If America Knew

Hi Eco, Hugh,

My credibility has been called into question regarding the comment, "I
learned today that more than 50% of US congressional leaders are members of
AIPAC.....thus the strong Israel Lobby."

Regarding http://www.ifamericaknew.org/ - where I forwarded the message.

It would be helpful to have the statement on Congress and AIPAC spelled out.

It seems incorrect on it's face but let's get the data.  AIPAC "membership"
may be a vague thing, and on such inflammatory issues it helps to be as
factual as possible.

"Congressional leaders" is vague too. Seems like a major conflict of
interest and ethics violation would be involved where a Congressperson were
an actual congressional lobbyist as well.

Please reveal the source for this information.

Tim

At 1:15 PM -0800 1/31/07, marguerite hampton wrote:
FYI

Thanks Hugh for this one.

-------Original Message-------

From: Hugh
Date: 01/31/07 10:34:54
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:,
Subject: Fw: If America Knew

For those who want to know more about the Palestinian/Israeli conflict,  the
following website was recommended to me.   I do not know if it is
predominately balanced or biased.  I have not had time to wander around the
site much.  Just sharing.  You decide.

  I found the "Statistics" on the homepage to be astonishing and quite
different than what we are lead to believe in US media.  Under the
resolutions statistic, click on "resolutions."   Information that the AIPAC
certainly doesn't advertise.   I learned today that more than 50% of US
congressional leaders are members of AIPAC.....thus the strong Israel Lobby.

www.ifamericaknew.org    

-- 

<http://groundtruthinvestigations.com/>

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