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b. Subject: it is QUALITY=spiRIT!+RE: see notes below
&
RE: I would like to do a phd in the area of ethics,
politics & economics
C. Subject: a chinese & usa proverb - k.r may find
useful?
To: Julia.Gillard.MP at aph.gov.au
from the global book of wisdom,
david crystal, "as they say in...", 2006
Fruit 26 - Vegetables 14, P:231
146 VEGETABLES
1. "If you want a year of prosperity, grow grain. If
you want ten years of prosperity, grow trees. If you
want a hundred years of prosperity, grow people."
11. "When the beans get too thick, the pot burns."
Seems to fit the bill at the moment.
this is my proposal below.
an abstract & ABCtract=>
wrt "copies" of phd,
where i solve an EMPIRICAL+expert
in system design for FAIR social exchange=trade
in any thing of social value.
with respect to "qualities"
search abc "victor kacala"
on any high DUTY
search that *u* sea=FIT!
search "kacala victor"
for "certification"
of my phd.
my phd is/was in
"actuarial & economics" arena,
with a focus on "interest"
a-any thing#$ of social value$!
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doctor victor kacala Says:
October 4th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
i would like to work for some one in east timor who
can use my profile.
it is a sad reality that the west is a cess pool of
greed & arrogance.
thus, it is possible a ‘genocide’ could happen again.
e.timor will get ’screwed’ by foreign corps like
others in LDCs,
such as africa, s.america, and so on. the list is very
long.
in order that this does NOT happen,
e.timor needs proper systems in health, education &
finance/treasury.
this is not possible in the west, as there are vested
interests in existing systems of GREED.
thus, unless e.timor [&other LDCs] get valid & fair
systems,
genocide will occur via economics.
search [ abc “victor kacala” ]
summary=system design ‘expert’ in the areas of health
[mental and physical], finance, eco, codes and
education.
i love life and kids - i do not like many ‘adults’.
i HATE greed arrogance revenge, served up in any face
of zero grace.
so, do you have a job in e.timor?
email to “zolotenko at yahoo.com”.
doctor victor kacala Says:
October 13th, 2007 at 1:51 pm
there is a saying that “the first death in any war is
the truth”. i am not that interested in debate about
who did what to who and who were the masters of a
‘local’ genocide. my guess is that what helen states
is likely to be ‘true’, even if only a part truth of a
war in the making. the ‘real’ villians are unlikely to
be caught. it is also clear that fretilin was armed
and used by ‘western’ states [via a ‘third’ party]. oz
also has blood on its hands [even based on public info
- the other info will dis-appear or be held in secret
files some where]. i have no doubt that ‘catholic’
power brokers [domestic & foreign] were key players in
genocide - of course, heavy hands on innocent people
increased the violence cycle. in the back ground, the
west security services [and foreign corps] were keen
to get their hands on gas & oil linked to e.timor -
the deals done by downer + corps + cronies makes this
clear.
oz and ‘other’ western states [via UN*umbrella of
chastity and fair play] now seem set on an agenda to
exploit e.timor people again using a shield of
catholic vritue + dogma.
the end result is clear.
i see the faces of kids & adult grim pain & grimACE
inside.
a fair system of governance at a national level is
crucial, such that ALL people are included.
e.timor has the same issues as all other states &
families [such as oz & usa & etC].
a basic course in literacy & numeracy in business
ethics, in a COMMON code [language] is crucia;
this could be done in one step, with kids leading the
charge [in ENGLISH].
all terms [words] must have a common meaning suited to
a local context,
with examples in words and pic/fig to suit.
a simple FONETIC english word set would be built,
in order to increase the rate of learning.
creosole is a venom bag, wrapped in a sense of pure
arrogance of
“I KNOW^*i”.
the west has a dominant mode of colonial power via
eco-genocide.
thus, creosole is just one among many who stalk
the power alleys on the global stage,
hidden under a veil of venom as verbal bile.
December 13th, 2007 at 10:09 am
delfina jones: Jim LehrerYOU SHOULD HAVE PRESSED HIM
MORE ON HIS ESTABLISHMENT PUNDITS. FOR EXAMPLE DAVID
BROOKS IS ALWAYS ON SPOUTING HIS MEANINGLESS BABBLE.
LEHRER IS A SELL OUT.
Comment on this message
10/05/2007 11:13 AM doctor victor kacala: “ethics &
governance=managementi note the comments of jim lehrer
on your program.
at a general level, the ‘hour’ is a good standard of
news.
there are a number of issues that need to improved:
a. if a group has control [or BIAS] over the flow of
facts, ideas or people [direct or in-direct] this
group controls the ‘news’ as presented [i.e.,
reporters become mere tools for the control group].
b. who decides what is news-worthy? who decides on the
people who are the experts on any given events[s]? how
credible are the sources of facts/data & what are the
ideas that guide analysis & synthesis of the story?
c. news is also about what COULD happen - there does
not appear enough time on ’speculative’ news. for the
most part, media gurus are highLY polished vegetables.
ps i think the brooks-shield duo are past their use by
date.
i attach a search in the SUBJECT item above, for
google, that more fully explains my views on
‘democracy’ and global systems of power.
Comment on this message
10/05/2007 9:15 AM Becky Llewellyn: US & Aust coverage
before Iraq WarJim Lehrer is so embedded in the US
journalistic culture that he can’t see how blinkered
it was before the Iraq invasion. The Australian
coverage, especially the ABC, meant that 100,000
Adelaide citizens (10% of our population) marched
against going to war in 2003, and over 200,000 in
Melbourne and Sydney each. I went to San Francisco
later that week and was amazed to see that in that
home of protest, only 200 people had marched. Maybe
they were smarter - they knew the decision had already
been made.
Comment on this message
Comments
agreed. still, it goes to show the power of spin
merchants of greed in need CONTROL most aspects of
dr victor kacala 12/05/2007 2:52
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viktor zolotenko [mailto:zolotenko at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2007 2:40 PM
> To: Frame, Tom
> Subject: see notes below & RE: I would like to do a
> phd in the area of
> ethics, politics & economics
>
> Dear Tom,
>
> At a general level, I am interested in building on
> your ideas that you gave on abc/rn & your focus on
> ethics & the role of "religion" in economics &
> politics [this link is very clearly in the public
> eye
> in the usa and [say] iran].
>
> I am a 'greek orthodox' person - there are many
> links
> across religions, with christians having a core
> based
> on the bible, in all its many versions.
>
> The Anglican church allows for marriage of priests
> [same as Greek orthodox] & has far greater
> flexibility
> than some of the more extreme elements of
> christianity
> [i.e., it is more inclusive of 'others'].
>
> I would be very happy to build on some of your work
> that I read in your cv and I have a strong lay
> knowledge of Christianity and 'other' religions.
>
> Thus, I would be happy to do a joint phd with the
> politics department [rather than economics, which is
> very much based on "free" rather than fair markets].
>
> All religions have a core focus on "justice", ethics
> and a concept of god. I would have a similar focus
> with ideas that unit, rather than divide along any
> give religion [even within the Christians].
>
> I have 'faith' in the idea of god that units, rather
> than divides on 'party' lines.
>
> Thus, since the Koran is based on the bible, there
> are
> many common ideas that unit rather than divide - of
> course, I have read both books in detail [I have
> studied the bible at school & 'sunday' school as a
> child]. Further, over the last few years I have made
> a
> detailed analysis of buddhism.
>
> So, if 'theology' includes other religions, then I
> can
> create a holistic frame work that takes into account
> economics, finance, global systems of power
> including
> military aspects.
>
> I agree with you that religions do have a role in
> social policy [e.g., age care, charity, ethics] &
> other practical matters.
>
> With your assistance, I could focus on elements that
> unite christians rather than divide - further, I
> could
> put this into a modern context such that it has
> direct
> uses in a real world example. Thus I suggested
> e.timor
> as an example where I could be most useful.
>
> As an outline, I would write an analysis and
> synthesis
> of the Bible, Koran & core aspects of 'other'
> religions that I would put into a modern context,
> embedded within an economic system design [with key
> statistics] that is based on justice, in a practical
> setting.
>
> Cheers, Vic. Thank you for your time & reply.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: viktor zolotenko
> [mailto:zolotenko at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2007 1:35 PM
> > To: Frame, Tom
> > Subject: I would like to do a phd in the area of
> > ethics, politics &
> > economics
> >
> > Dear Prof' Frame,
> >
> > I heard you recently on abc/rn.
> >
> > Further, that you had spent time with oz-defence
> > forces.
> >
> > I spent five years in the oz-army rising to the
> high
> > rank of 'gunner'!
> >
> > I wish to do a phd in the general area of ethics &
> > religion with a case study as a practical setting
> > e.g., e.timor. It is clear that the catholic
> church
> > has a strong influence on 'politics' & economics
> in
> > e.timor - this would provide a unique option for
> > some
> > practical work.
> >
> > Religion & politics & economics have always had a
> > strong link - despite "separation of church &
> state"
> > that seems to be a slogan used by many western
> > countries.
> >
> > I REJECT standard "free market economics", rather
> I
> > argue for "fair market economics". Since I stood
> up
> > against un-checked greed that dominates all
> > economics
> > faculties in oz, i am excluded due to my views.
> > Thus,
> > I would like to build within less extreme elements
> > of
> > the Christian tradition of charity & fair play.
> >
> > I attach a short cv - I can provide ample evidence
> > of
> > my academic & business experience.
> >
> > Reference: "Economics Adviser" & Literacy &
> Numeracy
> > in Business Ethics & System Design Work (any area)
> >
> > Dear Madam/Sir,
> >
> > Could you consider me for the above position? I am
> > honest, reliable, adaptable, humble, intelligent
> and
> > get along with people from all walks of life. I
> love
> > kids and they seem to like me.
> >
> > If you see my CV, you will find I have a wide
> range
> > of
> > interests and skills. At a general level, I offer
> > superior system design skills in the areas of
> health
> > and education. I know that I can show that I
> satisfy
> > any selection criteria in system design that you
> > specify.
> >
> > What I don't know, I am happy to learn.
> >
> > Some Selection Criteria
> >
> > ONE
> >
> > Hired, trained and organized the financial
> analysis
> > section at Western Australian Treasury Corporation
> >
> > Set up the data bases for three large treasuries
> > operations
> >
> > Organize, teach and assess many students at a
> number
> > of universities (e.g., Melbourne, Deakin and Edith
> > Cowan ).
> >
> > TWO
> >
> > Coached large numbers of students
> >
> > Interface with clients at a number of finance
> houses
> > (SBC Warburg, WATC and NZ Treasury)
> >
> > Voluntary teaching of NZ Maori people
> >
> > THREE
> >
> > Assist the WATC portfolio ($9 billion)
> >
> > Advise and monitor NZ debt portfolio ($50 billion)
> >
> > Organize tutorials and classes for MBA program
> > (RMIT)
> >
> > Design risk management framework for education
> > systems
> >
> > FOUR
> >
> > Implement and design risk metrics for several
> large
> > portfolios
> >
> > Adapt systems to enhance risk measures and
> identify
> > new risks
> >
> > Assess and compile grades for large numbers of
> > students
> >
> > FIVE
> >
> > Provide support services for senior management at
> > several large organizations (Universities,
> > treasuries
> > and voluntary work)
> >
> > SIX
> >
> > Learn very quickly in a practical setting
> >
> > Speed read courses and good communication skills
> >
> > Design risk management systems for health care
> > (mental
> > and physical)
> >
> > Knowledge acquired thru general interest
> >
> > Familiar with the ISO Quality Standards in health
> > care
> >
> > Keen interest to solve practical problems in
> health
> > care and education
> >
> > SEVEN
> >
> > Expert user of MS Office products range
> >
> > Complete advanced training in MS word and Excel
> >
> > Quick to learn applications on an 'as required
> > basis'
> >
> > Familiar with other software products that may be
> > useful
> >
> > EIGHT
> >
> > I write in a simple and direct way
> >
> > Superior written and verbal skills for any
> audience
> >
> > Adapt my dialogue to suit the customer (e.g.,
> kids0
> >
> > Written two books (one on ethics and the other a
> > 'cookbook' on system design in education and
> health
> > care)
> >
> > NINE=Summary
> >
> > I am civil, a good listener and determined to do
> my
> > best for any 'stakeholder'. I complete tasks that
> > are
> > my responsibility. A team is only as good as the
> > cohesion of the members in the team. I have played
> > and
> > coached basket ball for many years - I found a
> > champion team will generally beat a team of
> > champions.
> > In conclusion, I am confident that I can
> contribute
> > in
> > ways that you have not specified. I am highly
> > motivated to make a positive difference to your
> > organization. I have copy right over a general
> > valuation transform.
> >
> > Yours truly,
> >
> > Dr Victor Kacala.
> >
> > Education
> >
> > 2004 Certificate IV in Workplace Assessment &
> > Training
> >
> > 2004 Certificate III in Youth & Community
> >
> > 2002 Cambridge Certificate in English, Holmes
> > Colleges
> >
> > 1994 Doctorate in Financial Mathematics on Risk
> > Management
> >
> > Melbourne University
> >
> > 1987 Master Degree in Economics & Statistics
> >
> > Australian National University
> >
> > 1983 Honors Degree in Economics & Commerce
> >
> > Melbourne University
> >
> >
> > Prizes
> >
> > 1983 Joint Economics Research Prize
> > 1975 Artillery GUN-NeRY*Prize, oz-army
> > 1971 Commonwealth University Scholarship
> >
thanks for the tip.
berryb's work seems of general interest to i & so i
will read the web-site out of general interest. his
comments about the human species seems to cover many
of my own views.
as a basic matter, we are in deep poo going forward
and wars are likely to be a feature of the human
species for a long time to come i.e., resources have
ALWAYS been a basis for 'tribal' or inter&intra-state
conflict.
gwb & usa & the west seem bent on repeating past
errors [genocide of body & mind... greed & arrogance
is the dominant mode of attitude that infects the
western media & rich-famous silliness].
let us be clear - the west has ALWAYS treated other
peoples as inferior or as 'lessor' [often armed with a
smile initially, per east india company]. the EU-usa
has raised the stakes in eco-colonization up to new
heights.
at the moment we have eco-colonies and eco-slaves,
rather than an explicit "slave trade". further, given
the concentration of the ideas agenda on the global
stage AND distribution of ideas, patents, designs,
data and info, things look like they will get worse.
one crucial area is the internet and telecoms - it is
clear that private network ownership [via an 'elite']
is a major threat to the global justice movement.
cheap access to LINKS & marketing are crucial to
empowerment of the dis-empowered.
a key issue for people like berry is that it EXCLUDES
any smart 12 year old child, who has a basis in
literacy & numeracy in business ethics [i.e., rules of
conduct to guide fair play].
i have a strong maths & stats/physics over-view [i.e.,
i know the scale & scope & uses of various branches of
these arenas].
a key issue for a social system is to empower people
to play in a field of fair debate.
berry excludes the vast majority of people - this is a
common error of 'academics', religous gurus and people
who want to show how smart they are.
so, while i may get a bit excited using signs such as
"$, #, ..." and so on, there is method in HOW & what i
do. in fact, even a simple line such as:
y=a+b*x
requires a LOT of skill from any child
i.e., we need to know what all the terms & signs mean
in a physical sense of "meaning" before we can say we
"understand" a code [any, including computer codes].
as it turns out, the formula above can be extended in
a huge variety of ways - in fact, it is possible to
build a complete metric space [a metric space is where
it is possible to measure SCALE=length based on a
'common' standard suited to science]. complete means
no holes e.g., a football field.
so, as a general matter, i avoid big words or
un-common words that many people do not know e.g.,
"miasma", that i saw in several papers.
a key issue for academics, priests, gurus etc...
is that they often use words that mean many things or
many words for the same idea, often in the same
'essay' or social debate.
so, i used to practice by only using short words
[e.g., words of 6=six, 7=seven or 8=eight letters in
length] for months on end - not very easy if 6 is the
max for the day!
any way, thanks for the tip.
wrt s.keen, i am not sure that he offers an OPTION on
the HOW or the what?
still, in a basic sense, my criticisms of "free
markets" slogans central to capitalism & a corp world
are similar to s.keen.
s.keen does not write like a systems designer; i wrote
to him any way.
Subject: Fwd: Discussion Digest, Vol 51, Issue 10
To: Kevin.Rudd.MP at aph.gov.au,
admin at rightsatwork.com.au, echojurist at yahoo.com,
senator.faulkner at aph.gov.au,
Senator.Bartlett at aph.gov.au, readrel at telegraph.co.uk
some notes from oz-military and p.adams
&
some comments by dr victor kacala,
on e.timor
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If you go to the University of New South Wales you can
get a Batchelor of Art and Military Studies. Art and
military studies may seem a paradox but Brigadier John
Hutcheson, Commander, Joint Task Force 631 in East
Timor, likes to juggle chess with military strategy,
the role of the warrior with that of the worrier. When
he is not being a soldier he is a scholar, and I asked
him about his book “Wars of Conscience”. He likes to
think – whether in a military think-tank or late at
night - and his book attempts to drag military
thinking in to the 21st century: “Armies will no
longer defend themselves from aggression or seek to
expand their country’s territory. More and more it
will be like this. A country will choose to get
involved in military operations on more ethical
grounds.” And what happens if your personal conscience
conflicts with the views of your political masters.
When I put it to him, he said that, finally a soldier
does what he is told. LNL met the Brigadier before,
when he commanded the military contingent of RAMSI
(Regional Assistance Mission to the Solomon Islands)
in the Solomon Islands. He is the new model. Rather
than hurling yourself on a beach in the Dardanelles
you wander the world protecting people from a third
party threat and perhaps helping with a little nation
building.
Our discussion with the Brigadier rounded off a day
that was somewhat more optimistic in tone than others.
We met young filmmakers at what might grow into a
Timorese film school, run by British ex-patriot
filmmaker Max Stahl. Max survived the Santa Cruz
massacre to bring those horrendous images to world
attention – and if there was a moment in recent
Timorese history that changes history (Max said
“including my own”) it was that. None of us can ever
forget the images of fleeing Timorese kids tripping
over the headstones as hundreds of them died. Now
youngsters of the same age work with Max in learning
to make documentary films, and with him are building
an impressive archive of urgent historic images.
Another impressive and long term ex-pat was Gabriela
Gansser, who hopes her art school will become the
foundation of a national art college. Surrounded by
the best library I’ve seen in East Timor – a splendid
variety of art books from Hieronymus Bosch to Van Gogh
- her students were hybridisers mixing traditional
Timorese artistic styles with European influences and
their results have immense impact. Both Max and
Gabriela have been to hell and back in recent times,
their respective institutions barely surviving the
wide spread burnings. And both their small enterprises
have the additional burden of supporting IDP’s
(Internally Displaced Persons). As well as training
their students they have to feed the people who
‘gatecrashed’ their buildings. Their stoicism is
remarkable. The one thing that the Brigadier, Max and
Gabriela have in common is optimism.
They’re all pretty sure that East Timor is going to
make it.
Phillip Adams
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November 14th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
search [ abc “victor kacala” ]
summary=system design ‘expert’ in the areas of health
[mental and physical], finance, eco, codes and
education.
i love life and kids - i do not like many ‘adults’.
i HATE greed arrogance revenge, served up in any face
of zero grace.
a constitution is a design & the high court lacks an
imagiNATIONi=some sPOT at the top with the lot*HOT?!i.
a “fair” society & global systems of governance in
practice and future evolution.
see notes to adams below.
send to justice m.kirby! get him to search “victor
kacala” for a
useful background.
ps i thought the decision to exclude ANY prisoners
from voting as GUT*leSS by H^c.
a global fascist could get stronger?
life interest=just*i*DESIGN?
a nice talk u had yesterday.
i will listen again today - i missed the start. i
think he over-played the weakness of usa in the
short+term. further, he lied in one crucial area -
like all great liers, he lied once that be neither be
proved or dis-proved.
i am sure that most of what he states is “true” based
on the evidence he has available.
further, liers lie by what they do NOT say i.e., they
bias or over+state the case one way or another.
the key issue is that the usa is NOT a ‘fascist’
country, but rather ALL systems of state & elite power
is growing stronger [oz included].
so, to simply point the bone at the usa is FALSE &
mis-leading.
of course, the hub of the issue is allocation of
credit & debit to people AND groups, around the world
[e.g., finance, energy, guru status, MEDIA, and so
on].
one key area is the patent system [basically written
and supported by corps in usa + supported by ‘western’
states under the wto.
so, this is why russia should NOT sign any wto
agreement on patents, now or ever. some times it pays
to be the bad guy on the block.
any way, my copy rights &linked "ART work$" [russia is
a member] are far
more valuable, IF i can protect. not very easy to
protect ideas from theft.
still, i have given you & buddies some strategy.
your optimal strategy is to serve up a ’similar’ set
of ideas/facts/strategy on the public domain.
thanks for the info from e.timor - i will post my will
on your web*site.
i may change my mind about some of the people on
abc/rn but the sole inheritor of ALL my art works
[broadly defined as possible] is AND will remain
v.putin, president of russia and 12 of his selected
‘advisors’.
they can recursively appoint people - in the end, this
will end up in the hands of the russian people and
thus all other people.
for example, putin could re-write all ideas that is
translated into russian then to chinese then back to
russian, to ensure that all ideas are presented in the
order i have given them to u and others at abc/rn. i
give to PRESENTERS not to people behind the scenes
[except people such as ryan, who i address in a
specific case].
china has seen the ‘error’ in usa version of “fair”
markets and has enough discipline to make changes, as
spelled out in my work.
i was pleased to see the policy changes by the chinese
president - the first step is to build a ‘command’ &
control system WITH valid feedback [account systems].
western account systems are pure bull+sh*t.
Subject: thanks for your sensible reply
To: stu8340 at comcast.net
YES, IN A BASIC SENSE, i agree.
still, there will be some from the jewish faith who
will be very un-easy about the facts.
i attack ALL faiths or FIXED frame of reference.
as a general matter,
i take people on a ‘case by case basis’,
of any group “label” e.g., catholic, right or left
wing, evil/good etc
still, some social systems
CONDITION kids at an early age.
some social systems,
KILL mind better than others.
in my view, jews do this too effectively for their own
kids AND others via a distribution power system,
at a global level.
this includes most religions of any description,
and ’secular’ social system [say, based on a system of
rights & wrongs].
the key issue for ‘relgions’ of any strain,
is that the rules become dogma,
and thus does not allow for new ideas,
such that the social system adapts in a fair way.
this can happen for polly parties,
such as communism or fascism or
the idea of “democracy” has become a religion
without foundation in western countries.
so, when i hear gwb talk of democracy,
i think he tells a bad joke.
so, i address a far wider social issue,
even though i have focussed my attack on ‘jews’;
i am only one mouse on a computer;
still, i have some very serious teeth,
when it comes to debate.
i attach a note i sent to a director of psych in
sydney, oz.
gurus in ANY area often become a problem e.g.,
doctors, psych people, teachers, and so on
this lack of adaptability is a key weakness of ALL
human social systems.
in a basic sense, people do NOT like to admit they
are/were wrong about crucial social issues.
even physics/maths people suffer the same issue e.g.,
see r. feynman “what does it all mean?”. in a basic
sense, if we fail to adapt with new ideas/data, we
lose our creative edge.
Subject: nice talk on ethics on the abc/rn p.zone
To: mrobertson at med.usyd.edu.au
i think your talk on abc/rn was one of the better
outline of what it means to be ‘ethical’ in any domain
of play or work.
u have clarity of speech & mode in the use of words.
i am an ‘arm chair’ psych0 person
i.e., i know about mind from the school of hard
knocks, formal education in psych
AND my mum was a psych nurse for 30 years,
@royal park.
it is common for people to attach a label
to others based on a fixed frame of reference,
given by their own education of mind,
via book learning & ‘therapy’ sessions,
often with a large dose of ‘drugs’ [legal stuff].
the history of psych is not pretty.
in many ways, past errors continue,
since to admit error would be to admit
some thing close to mass murder of mind -
especially, when it comes to kids & drug ‘therapy’.
often, the drugs merely mask the cause,
and entrench a cycle of violence,
via a social label that consigns a young
person to the social scrap heap {permanently].
so, ‘bipolar’ offers a useful out for ‘bad’ actions,
gives the psych0 person a income,
the drug corps are happy [fat fees],
and the fat-cats get to say they do some thing.
the key source=cause of ‘aberrant’ actions are social,
at a global level.
any way, i would like to read your phd,
and give a critical analysis,
AND some option[s] that u might find useful.
psychiatry people have a HUGE advantage over
psychologists -
they start from a physical basis of mind
AND can afford to be more critical of
their masters who guide actions in&for clients.
still, getting change is VERY hard,
since those in power are NOT keen
to admit they were/are in error.
the social results and guilt are deep &
very hard to over come in others,
and with yourself.
no one likes to admit,
even to them them selves,
that they have acted very badly,
even if it stemmed from ignorance,
or reliance on big gurus of the present/past.
if u rely on big gurus you end up with the same
issues,
and if u conform the same result.
ps i attach a web-site that u may find useful,
on your ‘ethics’ phd.
a. this is a tech spec for a global system of justice:
http://lister.itk.ntnu.no/pipermail/she_forum/2007/000040.html
b. this is a spec for a global system of ethics based
on the work of the dalia lama:
http://lister.itk.ntnu.no/pipermail/she_forum/2006/000163.html
December 8th, 2007 at 3:05 pm
dr victor kacala says:
yes ken, i am a ‘guru’,
but i retain a sense of humble pie.
i am in awe of kids
i.e., i think they are smarter,
more creative.
in a basic sense,
teachers & systems ‘kill’
the creative adge of kids
across the globe
on an intra-inter
generational basis.
this is the BIG genocide,
of ALL human social systems.
things will get worse,
based on the ideas of ‘our’ gurus.
do kids ever get a choice?
no.
many teachers will find this a painful insight.
still, i do NOT blame teachers,
i blame our global gurus
who FAIL to admit the error.
see ‘postman’
on “de-schooling school”.
thus, this is WHY,
on the globaljusticemovement
web-sight i have put a course
on literacy & numeracy in business
ETHICS=rules of conduct to guide FAIR
play in any game,
where the stage is any place [context].
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> dear searle, i had a quick read of your paper.
> at a general level, i agree with the intent of
> your paper i.e., things could be a lot fairer
> at a global level.
>
> in order to convince people [e.g., g.soros or
> similar]
> i think you must BUILD a model of a global economy
> such that u take into account the key variables that
> impact on an economy.
>
> start simple, with a single state economy with local
> &
> overlapping functions. a good place to start is a
> book
> by j.blatt called "economic dynamics".
>
> with a design u can simulate what could happen and
> stress test for IMPACT events [some thing less than
> ww3 or a comet strike etc...]. further,
> people/players
> adapt to rules and the legal frame work must be
> consistent with 'your' model[s]. it is very hard to
> get legal systems change [lawyers would lose
> money&power].
>
> HOW would u implement change?
>
> further, the role of 'potential value' & the role of
> info/data is central to a complete model. modern
> economic theory has made big strides at a theory
> level, without being able to 'do it'.
>
> thus, while i agree with some of your key ideas, to
> be
> convincing in your views & models [i do not see a
> formal model in your paper].
>
> i must admit i am a bit more hard-headed when it
> comes
> to eco-models & computer software/hardware: does it
> work?
>
> further, when does the hard ware+software fail & how
> can the system recover after failure? who pays the
> pain?
>
> a crucial aspect for 'changing the way economies
> work'
> is having people who have integrity [i.e.,
> honest+humble+competence] in positions of power
> i.e.,
> they can make decisions AND make those decision work
> based on 'trust' of leaders.
>
> in order to build trust, the masses need an
> education
> system that has a COMMON basis in the idea of "fair"
> play & pay. hence, i focus on lit&num in business
> ethics and governance=management.
>
> decision support systems that are reliable [give a
> result under stress & strain of random 'events'],
> timely [i.e.,as soon as possible] and accurate and
> valid,
> are crucial to any business or social life.
>
> who are the best people to design such a system?
> electrical and chemical engineers are best, IFF they
> have process control experience in a practical
> setting
> under 'extreme conditions'.
>
> why? many of the design issues that arise in the
> design of a power distribution system for
> electricity
> [or chemical-physical processes] arise in economics.
> further, coming from 'outside' a [closed] economic
> paradigm [such as 'free market economics], they more
> easily see the problems while imposing a discipline
> on
> system design that economists lack. most economists
> have NEVER solved a practical problem worthy of
> description.
>
> i have designed three treasury management systems
> from
> 'scratch' & sold/tested these systems in a practical
> setting. a treasury management system must handle a
> huge array of types of financial instruments and is
> subject to random shocks - a treasury system has all
> the features of a telephone phone billing system
> [this
> is NOT a problem that has been solved e.g., i know
> of
> a telco who spent 10 years building a system & then
> started all over again!].
>
> so, why am i on the bones of my butt? my systems
> were
> the best AND corp players simply stole the code and
> re-packaged nad then told me to go jump!
>
> as they say, business is business. small players
> have
> no way to defend against theft [ the rules are
> biased
> for big players who are happy to play hard-ball].
> this
> problem is made worse via corrupt pollies who play
> the
> corp greed side before the 'small' inventor.
>
> as it turns out, i did NOT release my complete
> systems
> [my complete systems are a management accounting and
> reporting system - see "a mathematical analysis of
> the
> balance sheet].
>
> further, i have developed a valuation algorithm for
> the valuation of a options, such as the valuation of
> forrests & other natural resources e.g., oil or coal
> fields [plus financial instruments].
>
> so, i am familiar with eco theory at the high end
> and
> practice. it seems to me that many people who work
> in
> the 'green' area [with whom i agree with about the
> "facts"], but they lack design skills of a PRACTICAL
> [=deliverables in terms of hardware+software]
> results
> [this MUST include a set of education tools for the
> 'common person].
>
> so, a crucial step is the basics of 'home economics'
> at schools [i suggest "the art of war", peguin
> delux]
> and a basic course to all on the internet that suits
> the need. most account systems are a little on the
> silly side [see john cleese on the balance sheet] -
> this is true across the globe.
>
> BOTTOM LINE
> choose a good set of pollies as a FIRST STEP for the
> purposes of transition - two countries have done so:
> russia & china - the pollies in other states have
> got
> sh*t for brains AND lack integrity, humility and
> strategy based on the idea of fair play [e.g.,
> blair/brown/gwb/howard/merkel etc...
>
> so, who should choose DESIGN engineers who have no
> vested interest in legacy systems, who have good
> RESULTS!
>
> most pollies are incredibily stupid and are in a
> closed system with a strong dependence on the
> 'string'
> pullers behind the scenes. it is VERY unlikely that
> some thing along your lines will see the light of
> day
> [even if it was/is viable].
>
> so, a [THE] MAJOR issue is that our polly systems
> are
> corrupt and the quality of pollies is VERY low in
> the
> general area of 'design'. further, behind the scenes
> we have the string pullers & media & education
> "experts" with self-interest as their social focus.
>
> the best place to build a new eco-system is in a
> place
> like china or russia or ukraine. why? there is no
> inertia from legacy systems [except a 'new' set of
> greedy elites], basic education can be changed
> QUICKLY
> [one of the reasons i suggest "the art of war" for
> lit&num in business ethics].
>
> the most likely is china [india is a mess and lacks
> the ability to IMPOSE change & has a CASTE system &
> systemic sexism/genocide]. china does have a serious
> issue with 'sexism' & the lower status of females -
> this has the potential for a MASSIVE social disaster
> [some thing that china's leaders seem well aware
> of=that means they can do some thing about it].
>
>
>
>
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prem.dixit@ verizon.net 1. Re: the issues
facing the global peACE move$ is simple as abc?
(premilla dixi... Fri 23 Nov 2007 22k
office@ qld.greens.org.au i give some SUM
piRIT=friends as a BIG=lite*little spots, of slots, as
slits&SLO... Thu 22 Nov 2007 13k
director@ lowyinstitute.org some ideas &
$note$, on SURVIVAL, to { robert m. may & 'other'
gurus, of any sha... Thu 22 Nov 2007 4k
MATTHEW.IRONSIDE@ woodside.com.au Fwd: RE: an
OPEN letter[s] to people @"Kevin.Rudd.MP at aph.gov.au or
senator.faulk... Thu 22 Nov 2007 6k
virginiaf.raines@ gmail.com u=SPORT of/IN spin
as a spun^PIN*mind*! Thu 22 Nov 2007 5k
virginiaf.raines@ gmail.com an OPEN letter[s]
to people @"Kevin.Rudd.MP at aph.gov.au or
senator.faulkner at aph.g... Thu 22 Nov 2007 4k
discussion@ globaljusticemovement.net
http://www.globaljusticemovement.net/pipermail/discussion_globaljusticemovement....
Thu 22 Nov 2007 11k
Kevin.Rudd.MP@ aph.gov.au Fwd:
http://www.globaljusticemovement.net/pipermail/discussion_globaljusticemove...
Wed 21 Nov 2007 8k
virginiaf.raines@ gmail.com
http://www.globaljusticemovement.net/pipermail/discussion_globaljusticemovement....
Wed 21 Nov 2007 1k
projects@ qld.greens.org.au nice
ideas*U*!.=some elements of sum*just*sky^PIE? ="
virginiaf.raines at gmail.com... Tue 20 Nov 2007 8k
thenewsman at ij.net nice ideas*U*!.=some elements
of sum*just*sky^PIE? =" virginiaf.raines at gmail.com...
Tue 20 Nov 2007 7k
virginiaf.raines@ gmail.com nice
ideas*U*!.=some elements of sum*just*sky^PIE? Tue 20
Nov 2007 7k
thenewsman at ij.net some $note$ on justice &
gwb+GREED-ARROGANCE-REVENGE!=rollED into a***piLEpoo!
Tue 20 Nov 2007 7k
$ghost$=i some notes on my $note$ :=:"
http://andrewbartlett.com/blog/?p=1589 " Tue 20 Nov
2007 7k
brisbane@ greenleft.org.au a.ideas on global
field of GENOCIDE by "usa" & "$gew$=i" &
"$goy$"my*i.d.="@i? Tue 20 Nov 2007 6k
Kevin.Rudd.MP@ aph.gov.au a.ideas on global
field of GENOCIDE by "usa" & "$gew$=i" &
"$goy$"my*i.d.="@i? Tue 20 Nov 2007 6k
thenewsman at ij.net ideas on global field of
GENOCIDE by "usa" & "$gew$=i" & "$goy$"my*i.d.="i
EXiST... Tue 20 Nov 2007 32k
discussion@ globaljusticemovement.net some
ideas on all the elements of justice? Mon 19 Nov 2007
5k
brisbane@ greenleft.org.au a note i sent to kr
& other groups who support the ideas of a global
system of j... Mon 19 Nov 2007 32k
Kevin.Rudd.MP@ aph.gov.au my*i.d.="i
EXiST!"?'s:=:"i^$ART$^"work^$$$ [l.carrol &
math&wizard at oz+plus-pun Sun 18 Nov 2007 32k
discussion@ globaljusticemovement.net some
i*SOUL i.d. doe *U*=i+$$$+"inter & intra generational
basis ..." and global... Sun 18 Nov 2007 15k
Kevin.Rudd.MP@ aph.gov.au Fwd: ideas from i
Sat 17 Nov 2007 12k
virginiaf.raines@ gmail.com ideas from i Sat 17
Nov 2007 11k
senator.faulkner@ aph.gov.au ideas from i at
"discussion at globaljusticemovement.net" and 'other'
groups Sat 17 Nov 2007 11k
E. Crockett some notes on THE global mind
genocide on an inter & intra generational basis Fri
16 Nov 2007 8k
hr at acer.edu.au Job as Fellow in Psychometric
Leadership in Assessment and Reporting Fri 16 Nov
2007 81k
senator.faulkner@ aph.gov.au a guide on global
genocide as a system of mind grind Wed 14 Nov 2007 9k
stu8340 at comcast.net thanks for your sensible
reply Wed 14 Nov 2007 5k
jacklancaster@ sbcglobal.net fair enough=i have
the same issue as u*self. Tue 13 Nov 2007 1k
discussion@ globaljusticemovement.net some
notes to jack & a word of caution about extreme views
Tue 13 Nov 2007 3k
jacklancaster@ sbcglobal.net some notes to jack
& a word of caution about extreme views Tue 13 Nov
2007 4k
discussion@ globaljusticemovement.net Fwd:
governance & global justice movement Mon 12 Nov 2007
12k
brisbane@ greenleft.org.au some notes on
governance, genocide & elements of justice Mon 12 Nov
2007 6k
discussion@ globaljusticemovement.net governance
& global justice movement Mon 12 Nov 2007 6k
mrobertson@ med.usyd.edu.au nice talk on ethics
on the abc/rn p.zone Sun 11 Nov 2007 3k
canberra@ conservationvolunteers.com.au
voluntary work with your group Fri 09 Nov 2007 81k
discussion@ globaljusticemovement.net Re: Up to
date account of citizens' direct democracy UK Fri 09
Nov 2007 5k
brisbane@ greenleft.org.au The Young Poisoners
& some ideas on prisons of mind&body Thu 08 Nov 2007
13k
senator.faulkner@ aph.gov.au the issues facing
the global peACE move$ is simple as abc? Thu 08 Nov
2007 13k
office@ qld.greens.org.au the issues facing the
global peACE move$ is simple as abc? Thu 08 Nov 2007
13k
discussion@ globaljusticemovement.net the
issues facing the global peACE move$ is simple as abc?
Thu 08 Nov 2007 13k
paulb@ greenleft.org.au some lesson=i[s] form
eye *&* "Russian Revolution: lessons for today" Thu
08 Nov 2007 12k
stb_visitsingapore@ stb.gov.sg the issues
facing the global peACE move$ is simple Thu 08 Nov
2007 12k
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