[GJM] #38, Mary Rose On #37, TOP For The Imperial Clerisy, TWP For The Rest Of US

[robert searle]

Unfortunately, Social Credit is an inferior system
compared with Transfinancial Economics, or TFE. The
reasons are simple.


i) Though SC reduces the tax burden it does not
eliminate it altogether unlike TFE.


ii) In SC there is as far as I understand it a fixed
rate of interest on borrowing. In TFE there is no
interest at all to be paid.

iii) With TFE inflation is controlled directly by
advanced computer technology which also allows for
Super-Price Flexibility neccessary for the present
capitalist system.  The approach used by SC though
interesting is by far less advanced, and effective


Regards,

Robert Searle.

. 


--- wesburt at juno.com wrote:

> Dear Mary,
> Thanks so much for your two e-mails of 17 April to
> list cyber -soc. 
> Having studied social credit under Wally Klinck,
> Bill Ryan, and Vic.
> Bridger for several years I was greatly encouraged
> by your first e-mail
> which asked how social credit works.  There were two
> components to Major
> C. H. Douglas' cure for what ails us; the
> compensated retail price and
> the universal social dividend.  
> My understanding of Douglas' intention may be
> colored by my on-the-job
> experience at General Electric and its electric
> utility customers.  The
> compensated retail price is a negative sales tax and
> would be essential
> to nations like England which had burdened their
> economy with indirect
> taxes (sales and VA taxes).  The universal social
> dividend, on the other
> hand, is the technically perfect correction for the
> systemic defect of
> omission (under capitalization of the expense of
> human development) that
> has retarded the development of western economies
> since the "Folly Of
> Rehoboam" (I Kings 12, B.C. 975).  My inquiry into
> this subject, which
> began in 1969, has turned up only three historical
> periods in which
> people have enjoyed an approximation to Social
> Credit: 
> 1, Biblical Israel from Abraham to Solomon and 
> 2, the United States from colonial times through 
> the onset of industrialization.  An effective
> agrarian 
> version of social credit by capitalizing the expense
> 
> of universal education was achieved in both cases. 
> 3, Japan and Germany from 1946 through the 1970s 
> (the period of their economic miracles) achieved an 
> industrial version of social credit by capitalizing 
> (socializing) both the expense of education and 
> the expense of subsistence for children.  
> What I have called the optimum policy (TOP) is the
> first approximation to
> the social credit solution, which Douglas referred
> to as the CANON, the
> solution that works best.  Attached Figure 8
> illustrates how TOP
> increases the discretionary income of younger low
> income members of the
> work force.  The WHIPs Imperial Clerisy) have to
> think seriously about
> the subject to even sense the difference between the
> status quo and
> anything better.  The US economy has about 140
> million active decision
> makers in the work force.  This is a complex system
> indeed, because any
> defect of principle evokes 140 million different
> experiences.  There is
> no mathematical way to reason from the collective
> experience back to the
> root cause of the social disorder.  A full
> implementation of the
> universal social dividend would extend Discretionary
> Income, on Figure 8,
> to include the first dependent, one's self.
> Mary, the above blast is in reply to the closing
> paragraph of your first
> e-mail below.  When I have "a profound leap in
> consciousness," I like to
> know what I am leaping to.  I hope you find it
> interesting and Wally
> finds it amusing, having heard it all before.
> In reply to your second e-mail below, I have labored
> for 83 years under
> the delusion that IQ comprehended both EI (Emotional
> Intelligence) and SI
> (Social Intelligence).  If my lack of success with
> TOP is any indication
> of my own IQ, I may have been mistaken as you say
> about IQ, but I am too
> old to change now.  Forgive me if anything I wrote
> in #37 offended you.
> Kind regards,
> Wes Burt
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ First e-mail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> From: "Mary Rose " mary_rose at aabol.com
> To: "Cyber-Soc" CYBER-SOC at TOPICA.COM
> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:43:19 -0700 (Pacific
> Daylight Time)
> Subject: Fw: Re: [globalnetnews-summary] The Route
> Of The Problem
>  FYI and comment.  
> 
>  Wally, could you further elaborate on how "social
> credit" works. 
> 
>  Thank you for your interest in dwelving further
> into the replacement 
> of human labor by technology and its effect on
> society today.  I
> would like to repeat again that it only takes 30% of
> the present 
> worldwide labor force to produce all the goods and
> services 
> necessary to fulfill the "needs" of the six plus
> billion of us on the 
> planet today
> 
> ~~~~~~~ Snip three paragraphs to conclusion ~~~~~~~~
> 
> "What needs to happen here in order for the world to
> transform back 
> into a more balanced state of being, so that we may
> proceed into the 
> future in health and wholeness? 
> 
> My answer to this is "a profound leap in
> consciousness".  But I 
> would like to hear from those receiving this message
> what their 
> answer is. 
> mary rose "
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Second e-mail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> --------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Mary Rose <mary_rose at aabol.com>
> To: Cyber-Soc <cyber-soc at topica.com>
> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:53:57 -0700 (Pacifi
> Subject: IQ vs EI and SI
> 
> #37, TOP For The Imperial Clerisy, TWP For The Rest
> Of US 
> 
> Posted by: "wesburt at juno.com" wesburt at juno.com 
> 
> Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:24 pm (PST) 
> 
> wesburt writes in part:
> 
> 
> 
> Is it not feasible to suppose: that since there is
> no general agreement
> on how to raise the mean IQ of chosen people above
> the natural potential
> IQ of the global population, we might find instead
> general agreement that
> the IQ of the rest of the global population, who
> were not chosen, has
> been depressed below their natural IQ by thirty
> centuries of the wrong
> policy (TWP)? 
> 
> Comment from Mary Rose:  
> 
> Wes, we now live in a multi-dimensional world, but
> it is apparent to me
> from your posts that you (and others) still live in
> "flatland" and
> therefore fail to see the "whole dynamic" of things.
>  
> 
> What we now know is that both EI (Emotional
> Intelligence) and SI (Social
> Intelligence) play a far greater role in human and
> in social
> relationships than does IQ.  Consequently, "the way
> the world works" is
> far more dependent upon these factors than upon I.Q.
> 
> 
> While I do not mean to be unkind, I do believe that
> your (and other's) 
> continual adherence to the fundamentalist rhetoric
> you continually post,
> greatly inhibits us (and thus does a great
> disservice) in getting to
> where we need to be in terms of human consciousness
> and recognizing that
> we must begin to use the full capacity of the human
> brain/mind in these
> challenging times or we will certainly perish. 
> 
> May I refer you to the work of Dr.Carla Hannaford, a
> neuroscientist,
> whose research shows that children in Lesotho,
> Africa demonstrated far
> more proficiency in learning ability than did white
> urban children when
> tested.
> 
> The reason: Children in Lesotho, Africa are engaged
> in "experiential 
> learning" which engages the "whole brain" and leads
> to 
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