[GJM] #38, Mary Rose On #37, TOP For The Imperial Clerisy, TWP For The Rest Of US

[wesburt at juno.com]

Dear Mary,
Thanks so much for your two e-mails of 17 April to list cyber -soc. 
Having studied social credit under Wally Klinck, Bill Ryan, and Vic.
Bridger for several years I was greatly encouraged by your first e-mail
which asked how social credit works.  There were two components to Major
C. H. Douglas' cure for what ails us; the compensated retail price and
the universal social dividend.  
My understanding of Douglas' intention may be colored by my on-the-job
experience at General Electric and its electric utility customers.  The
compensated retail price is a negative sales tax and would be essential
to nations like England which had burdened their economy with indirect
taxes (sales and VA taxes).  The universal social dividend, on the other
hand, is the technically perfect correction for the systemic defect of
omission (under capitalization of the expense of human development) that
has retarded the development of western economies since the "Folly Of
Rehoboam" (I Kings 12, B.C. 975).  My inquiry into this subject, which
began in 1969, has turned up only three historical periods in which
people have enjoyed an approximation to Social Credit: 
1, Biblical Israel from Abraham to Solomon and 
2, the United States from colonial times through 
the onset of industrialization.  An effective agrarian 
version of social credit by capitalizing the expense 
of universal education was achieved in both cases. 
3, Japan and Germany from 1946 through the 1970s 
(the period of their economic miracles) achieved an 
industrial version of social credit by capitalizing 
(socializing) both the expense of education and 
the expense of subsistence for children.  
What I have called the optimum policy (TOP) is the first approximation to
the social credit solution, which Douglas referred to as the CANON, the
solution that works best.  Attached Figure 8 illustrates how TOP
increases the discretionary income of younger low income members of the
work force.  The WHIPs Imperial Clerisy) have to think seriously about
the subject to even sense the difference between the status quo and
anything better.  The US economy has about 140 million active decision
makers in the work force.  This is a complex system indeed, because any
defect of principle evokes 140 million different experiences.  There is
no mathematical way to reason from the collective experience back to the
root cause of the social disorder.  A full implementation of the
universal social dividend would extend Discretionary Income, on Figure 8,
to include the first dependent, one's self.
Mary, the above blast is in reply to the closing paragraph of your first
e-mail below.  When I have "a profound leap in consciousness," I like to
know what I am leaping to.  I hope you find it interesting and Wally
finds it amusing, having heard it all before.
In reply to your second e-mail below, I have labored for 83 years under
the delusion that IQ comprehended both EI (Emotional Intelligence) and SI
(Social Intelligence).  If my lack of success with TOP is any indication
of my own IQ, I may have been mistaken as you say about IQ, but I am too
old to change now.  Forgive me if anything I wrote in #37 offended you.
Kind regards,
Wes Burt
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ First e-mail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "Mary Rose " mary_rose at aabol.com
To: "Cyber-Soc" CYBER-SOC at TOPICA.COM
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:43:19 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: Fw: Re: [globalnetnews-summary] The Route Of The Problem
 FYI and comment.  

 Wally, could you further elaborate on how "social credit" works. 

 Thank you for your interest in dwelving further into the replacement 
of human labor by technology and its effect on society today.  I
would like to repeat again that it only takes 30% of the present 
worldwide labor force to produce all the goods and services 
necessary to fulfill the "needs" of the six plus billion of us on the 
planet today

~~~~~~~ Snip three paragraphs to conclusion ~~~~~~~~

"What needs to happen here in order for the world to transform back 
into a more balanced state of being, so that we may proceed into the 
future in health and wholeness? 

My answer to this is "a profound leap in consciousness".  But I 
would like to hear from those receiving this message what their 
answer is. 
mary rose "

~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Second e-mail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mary Rose <mary_rose at aabol.com>
To: Cyber-Soc <cyber-soc at topica.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:53:57 -0700 (Pacifi
Subject: IQ vs EI and SI

#37, TOP For The Imperial Clerisy, TWP For The Rest Of US 

Posted by: "wesburt at juno.com" wesburt at juno.com 

Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:24 pm (PST) 

wesburt writes in part:



Is it not feasible to suppose: that since there is no general agreement
on how to raise the mean IQ of chosen people above the natural potential
IQ of the global population, we might find instead general agreement that
the IQ of the rest of the global population, who were not chosen, has
been depressed below their natural IQ by thirty centuries of the wrong
policy (TWP)? 

Comment from Mary Rose:  

Wes, we now live in a multi-dimensional world, but it is apparent to me
from your posts that you (and others) still live in "flatland" and
therefore fail to see the "whole dynamic" of things.  

What we now know is that both EI (Emotional Intelligence) and SI (Social
Intelligence) play a far greater role in human and in social
relationships than does IQ.  Consequently, "the way the world works" is
far more dependent upon these factors than upon I.Q. 

While I do not mean to be unkind, I do believe that your (and other's) 
continual adherence to the fundamentalist rhetoric you continually post,
greatly inhibits us (and thus does a great disservice) in getting to
where we need to be in terms of human consciousness and recognizing that
we must begin to use the full capacity of the human brain/mind in these
challenging times or we will certainly perish. 

May I refer you to the work of Dr.Carla Hannaford, a neuroscientist,
whose research shows that children in Lesotho, Africa demonstrated far
more proficiency in learning ability than did white urban children when
tested.

The reason: Children in Lesotho, Africa are engaged in "experiential 
learning" which engages the "whole brain" and leads to creative thinking;
whereas our Western style of education -- delivered by "rote" or  a
teaching modality" is directed to elicit left-brain linear thinking. 
Left-brain linear thinking not only stifles creativity, but locks us 
into the limited choices offered by the "flight or fight" syndrome and
denies us the ability to make "conscious choice" from a "holodynamic
point of view" which opens the pathway to "multiple-dimensional" thinking
and entryway into parallel worlds which offer a multitude of potential
options. 

Evidentally, you Wes, are a victim of this latter type of education, as I
once was.  If you want to remain in this unconscious two-dimensional
world of yours, I accept you there; however, having brought this to your
attention, may I make it clear that I will not engage in discourse with
you (or anyone else) on this level; and will from now on, and will simply
delete any messages without comment.  I am about the 
business of finding some sort of resolution to today's critical
challenges and my time is too limited to engage in "prattle". 

May I wish you well on your chosen path.  
mary rose 
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               TOP and TWP are cognoscible on
                Dr. W. Curtiss Priest's web site at:
       <http://www.epie.org/cyber-soc/default.htm>
                 TOP is GOOD --- TWP is EVIL
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