[GJM] For Marguerite and all who have not bothered to read the Holy Qur'an- A section of the Book of Maurice

Muhammad Mukhtar Alam mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com
Wed Sep 6 07:49:39 MDT 2006


Dear Marguerite ,
   
  Here is a section from the book that tells us a lot about the word of Allah/God/Elahom...
   
  The Animal and Vegetable Kingdoms
  Numerous verses describing the origins of life have been assembled in this chapter, along with certain aspects of the vegetable kingdom and general or specific topics relating to the animal kingdom. The grouping of verses scattered throughout the Book affords a general view of the data the Qur'an contains on these subjects.
  In the case of the subject of this and the following chapter, the examination of the Qur'anic text has sometimes been particularly delicate on account of certain difficulties inherent in the vocabulary. These have only been overcome through the fact that scientific data which have a bearing on the subject have been taken into consideration. It is particularly so in the case of living beings, i.e. animal, vegetable and human, where a confrontation with the teachings of science is shown to be indispensable in the search for the meaning of certain statements on these topics contained in the Qur'an.
  It will become clear that numerous translations of these passages in the Qur'an, made by men of letters, must be deemed inaccurate by the scientist. The same holds true for commentaries made by those who do not possess the scientific knowledge necessary for an understanding of the text. 
   
            A. THE ORIGINS OF LIFE  This question has always preoccupied man, both for himself and for the living things around him. It will be examined here from a general point of view. The case of man, whose appearance on Earth and reproduction processes are the subject of lengthy exposøI will be dealt with in the next chapter.
  When the Qur'an describes the origins of life on a very broad basis, it is extremely concise. It does so in a verse that also mentions the process of the formation of the Universe, already quoted and commented on:
  --sura 21, verse 30:
  "Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then We clove them asunder and We got every living thing out of the water. Will they then not believe?" 
  The notion of 'getting something out of something' does not give rise to any doubts. The phrase can equally mean that every living thing was made of water (as its essential component) or that every living thing originated in water. The two possible meanings are strictly in accordance with scientific data. Life is in fact of aquatic origin and water is the major component of all living cells. Without water, life is not possible. When the possibility of life on another planet is discussed, the first question is always: does it contain a sufficient quantity of water to support life?
  Modern data lead us to think that the oldest living being must have belonged to the vegetable kingdom: algae have been found that date from the pre-Cambrian period, i.e. the time of the oldest known lands. Organisms belonging to the animal kingdom probably appeared slightly later. they too came from the sea.
  What has been translated here by 'water' is the word ma' which means both water in the sky and water in the sea, plus any kind of liquid. In the first meaning, water is the element necessary to all vegetable life:
  --sura 20, verse 53.
"(God is the One Who) sent water down from the sky and thereby We brought forth pairs of plants each separate from the other." 
  This is the first reference to the notion of a pair in the vegetable kingdom. We shall return to this later.
  In the second meaning, a liquid without any further indication of what kind, the word is used in its indeterminate form to designate what is at the basis of the formation of all animal life:
  -sura 24, verse 45:
"God created every animal from water." 
  We shall see further on how this word may also be applied to seminal fluid [ It is secreted by the reproductive glands and contains spermatozoons.].
  Whether it deals therefore with the origins of life in general, or the element that gives birth to plants in the soil, or the seed of animals, all the statements contained in the Qur'an on the origin of life are strictly in accordance with modern scientific data. None of the myths on the origins of life that abounded at the time the Qur'an appeared are mentioned in the text.
   
          B. THE VEGETABLE KINGDOM  It is not possible to quote in their entirety all the numerous passages in the Qur'an in which divine Beneficence is referred to concerning the salutary effect of the rain which makes vegetation grow. Here are just three verses on this subject:
  --sura 16, verses 10 and 11:
"(God) is the One Who sends water down from the sky. For you this is a drink and out of it (grow) shrubs in which you let (cattle) graze freely. Therewith for you He makes sown fields, olives, palm-trees, vineyards and all kinds of fruit grow."
  --sura 6, verse 99:
"(God) is the One Who sent water down from the sky. Therewith We brought forth plants of all kinds and from them the verdure and We brought forth from it the clustered grains, and from the palm-tree its spathes with bunches of dates (hanging) low, the gardens of grapes, olives and pomegranates similar and different. Look at their fruit, when they bear it, and their ripening. Verily, in that there are signs for people who believe."
  --sura 50, verses 9-11:
"We sent down from the sky blessed water whereby We caused to grow gardens, grains for harvest, tall palm-trees with their spathes, piled one above the other-sustenance for (Our) servants. Therewith We give (new) life to a dead land. So will be the emergence (from the tombs)."
  The Qur'an adds to these general data others that refer to more specialized subjects:
  
Balance in the Vegetable Kingdom  --sura 15, verse 19:
"The earth . . . We caused all kinds of things to grow therein in due balance."
  
The Different Qualities of Various Foods  --sura 13, verse 4:
"On the earth are adjacent parts; vineyards, sown fields, palm-trees, similar and not similar, watered with the same water. We make some of them more excellent than others to eat and verily in this are signs for wise people." 
  It is interesting to note the existence of these verses because they show the sober quality of the terms used, and the absence of any description that might highlight the beliefs of the times, rather than fundamental truths. What particularly attracts our attention however, are the statements in the Qur'an concerning reproduction in the vegetable kingdom.
  
Reproduction in the Vegetable Kingdom  One must bear in mind that there are two methods of reproduction in the vegetable kingdom: one sexual, the other asexual. It is only the first which in fact deserves the term 'reproduction', because this defines a biological process whose purpose is the appearance of a new individual identical to the one that gave it birth.
  Asexual reproduction is quite simply multiplication. It is the result of the fragmentation of an organism which has separated from the main plant and developed in such a way as to resemble the plant from which it came. It is considered by Guilliermond and Mangenot to be a 'special case of growth'. A very simple example of this is the cutting. a cutting taken from a plant is placed in suitably watered soil and regenerated by the growth of new roots. Some plants have organs specially designed for this, while others give off spores that behave like seeds, as it were, (it should be remembered that seeds are the results of a process of sexual reproduction).
  Sexual reproduction in the vegetable kingdom is carried out by the coupling of the male and female parts of the generic formations united on a same plant or located on separate plants.
  This is the only form that is mentioned in the Qur'an.
  -aura 20, verse 53:
"(God is the One Who) sent water down from the sky and thereby We brought forth pairs of plants each separate from the other." 
  'One of a pair' is the translation of zauj (plural azwaj) whose original meaning is: 'that which, in the company of another, forms a pair'; the word is used just as readily for a married couple as for a pair of shoes.
  --sura 22, verse 5:
"Thou seest the grounds lifeless. When We send down water thereon it shakes and grows and puts forth every magnificent pair (of plants)."
  --sura 31, verse 10:
"We caused to grow (on the earth) every noble pair (of plants)." 
  --sura 13, verse 3:
"Of all fruits (God) placed (on the earth) two of a pair." 
  We know that fruit is the end-product of the reproduction process of superior plants which have the most highly developed and complex organization. The stage preceding fruit is the flower, which has male and female organs (stamens and ovules). The latter, once pollen has been carried to them, bear fruit which in turn matures and frees it seeds. All fruit therefore implies the existence of male and female organs. This is the meaning of the verse in the Qur'an.
  It must be noted that for certain species, fruit can come from non-fertilized flowers (parthenocarpic fruit), e.g. bananas, certain types of pineapple, fig, orange, and vine. They can nevertheless also come from plants that have definite sexual characteristics.
  The culmination of the reproductive process comes with the germination of the seed once its outside casing is opened (sometimes it is compacted into a fruit-stone). This opening allows roots to emerge which draw from the soil all that is necessary for the plant's slowed-down life as a seed while it grows and produces a new plant.
  A verse in the Qur'an refers to this process of germination:
  --sura 6, verse 95:
"Verily, God splits the grain and the fruit-stone." 
  The Qur'an often restates the existence of these components of a pair in the vegetable kingdom and brings the notion of a couple into a more general context, without set limits:
  --sura 36, Verse 36:
"Glory be to Him Who created the components of couples of every kind: of what the ground caused to grow, of themselves (human beings) and of what you do not know." 
  One could form many hypotheses concerning the meaning of the 'things men did not know' in Muhammad's day. Today we can distinguish structures or coupled functions for them, going from the infinitesimally small to the infinitely large, in the living as well as the non-living world. The point is to remember these clearly expressed ideas and note, once again, that they are in perfect agreement with modern science.
   
          C. THE ANIMAL KINGDOM  There are several questions in the Qur'an concerning the animal kingdom which are the subject of comments that call for a confrontation with modern scientific knowledge. Here again, however, one would gain an incomplete view of all that the Qur'an contains on this subject if one were to leave out a passage such as the extract which follows. In this passage, the creation of certain elements in the animal kingdom is described with the purpose of making man reflect upon the divine Beneficence extended to him. It is quoted basically to provide an example of the way in which the Qur'an describes the harmonious adaptation of Creation to man's needs; it relates in particular the case of those people who live in a rural setting, since there is nothing that could be examined from a different point of view.
  -sura 16, verses 5 to 8:
"(God) created cattle for you and (you find) in them warmth, useful services and food, sense of beauty when you bring them home and when you take them to pasture. They bear your heavy loads to lands you could not reach except with great personal effort. Verily, your Lord is Compassionate and Merciful; (He created) horses, mules and donkeys for you to ride and for ornament. And He created what you do not know." 
  Alongside these general remarks, the Qur'an sets out certain data on highly diversified subjects:
--reproduction in the animal kingdom.
--references to the existence of animal communities.
--statements concerning bees, spiders and birds.
--remarks on the source of constituents of animal milk.
  
1. Reproduction in the Animal Kingdom  This is very summarily dealt with in verses 45 and 46, sura 53:
"(God) fashioned the two of a pair, the male and the female, from a small quantity of liquid when it is poured out." 
  The 'pair' is the same expression that we have already encountered in the verses which deal with reproduction in the vegetable kingdom. Here, the sexes are given. The detail which is absolutely remarkable is the precision with which it is stated that a small quantity of liquid is required for reproduction. The word itself signifying 'sperm' is used. The relevance of this remark will be commented upon in the next chapter.
  
2. References to the Existence of Animal Communities  --sura 6, Verse 38: 
"There is no animal on earth, no bird which flies on wings, that (does not belong to) communities like you. We have not neglected anything in the Book (of Decrees). Then to their Lord they will be gathered." 
  There are several points in this verse which require comment. Firstly, it would seem that there is a description of what happens to animals after their death: Islam does not apparently, have any doctrine on this point. Then there is predestination in general [ We saw in the Introduction to the third part of this book what one was expected to believe about predestination in its application to man himself.] which would seem to be mentioned here. It could be conceived as absolute predestination or relative, i.e. limited to structures and a functional organization that condition modes of behaviour: the animal acts upon various exterior impulses in terms of a particular conditioning.
  Blachؘ states that an older commentator, such as Razi, thought that this verse only referred to instinctive actions whereby animals worship God. Sheik Si Boubakeur Hamza, in the commentary to his translation of the Koran, speaks of "the instinct which, according to Divine Wisdom, pushes all beings to group together, so that they demand that the work of each member serve the whole group." 
  Animal behaviour has been closely investigated in recent decades, with the result that genuine animal communities have been shown to exist. Of course, for a long time now the results of a group or community's work have been examined and this has led to the acceptance of a community organization. It has only been recently however, that the mechanisms which preside over this kind of organization have been discovered for certain species. The most studied and best known case is undoubtedly that of bees, to whose behaviour the name von Frisch is linked. Von Frisch, Lorenz and Tinbergen received the 1973 Nobel Prize for their work in this field.
  
3. Statements Concerning Bees, Spiders and Birds  When specialists on the nervous system wish to provide striking examples of the prodigious organization directing animal behaviour, possibly the animals referred to most frequently are bees, spiders and birds (especially migratory birds). Whatever the case, there is no doubt that these three groups constitute a model of highly evolved organization.
  The fact that the text of the Qur'an refers to this exemplary trio in the animal kingdom is in absolute keeping with the exceptionally interesting character that each of these animals has from a scientific point of view.
  
Bees  In the Qur'an, bees are the subject of the longest commentary:
  --Sura 16, verses 68 and 69: [ One might note in passing, that this last verse is the only one in the Qur'an that refers to the possibility of a remedy for man. Honey can indeed be useful for certain diseases. Nowhere else in the Qur'an is a reference made to any remedial arts, contrary to what may have been said about this subject.] 
"Thy Lord inspired the bees: Choose your dwelling in the hills, in the trees and in what (man) built. Eat of all fruit and follow the ways of your Lord in humility. From within their bodies comes a liquor of different colours where is a remedy for men." 
  It is difficult to know what exactly is meant by the order to follow the ways of the Lord in humility, unless it is to be seen in general terms. All that may be said, with regard to the knowledge that has been gained of their behaviour, is that here-as in each of the three animal eases mentioned as examples in the Qur'an-there is a remarkable nervous organization supporting their behaviour. It is known that the pattern of a bee's dance is a means of communication to other bees; in this way, bees are able to convey to their own species the direction and distance of flowers from which nectar is to be gathered. The famous experiment performed by von Frisch has shown the meaning of this insect's movement which is intented to transmit information between worker bees.
  
Spiders  Spiders are mentioned in the Qur'an to stress the flimsiness of their dwelling which is the most fragile of all. They have a refuge that is as precarious, according to the Qur'an, as the dwelling of those who have chosen masters other than God.
  --sura 29, verse 41:
"Those who choose masters other than God are like the spider when it takes for itself a dwelling. Verily, the flimsiest dwelling is the dwelling of the spider. If they but knew." 
  A spider's web is indeed constituted of silken threads secreted by the animal's glands and their calibre is infinitely fine. Its fragility cannot be imitated by man. Naturalists are intrigued by the extraordinary pattern of work recorded by the animal's nervous cells, which allows it to produce a geometrically perfect web.
  
Birds  Birds are frequently mentioned in the Qur'an. They appear in episodes in the life of Abraham, Joseph, David, Solomon and Jesus. These references do not however have any bearing on the subject in hand.
  The verse concerning the existence of animal communities on the ground and bird communities in the sky has been noted above:
  --sura 6 verse 38:
"There is no animal on the earth, no bird which flies on wings, that (does not belong to) communities like you. We have not neglected anything in the Book (of Decrees) . Then to their Lord they will be gathered." 
  Two other verses highlight the birds' strict submission to God's Power.
  --sura 16, verse 79:
"Do they not look at the birds subjected in the atmosphere of the sky? None can hold them up (in His Power) except God." 
  --sura 67, verse 19:
  "Have they not looked at the birds above them spreading their wings out and folding them? None can hold them up (in his Power) except the Beneficent." The translation of one single word in each of these verses is a very delicate matter. The translation given here expresses the idea that God holds the birds up in His Power. The Arabic verb in question is amsaka, whose original meaning is 'to put one's hand on, seize, hold, hold someone back'.
  An illuminating comparison can be made between these verses, which stress the extremely close dependence of the birds' behavior on divine order, to modern data showing the degree of perfection attained by certain species of bird with regard to the programming of their movements. It is only the existence of a migratory programme in the genetic code of birds that can account for the extremely long and complicated journeys which very young birds, without any prior experience and without any guide, are able to accomplish. This is in addition to their ability to return to their departure point on a prescribed date. Professor Hamburger in his book, Power and Fragility (La Puissance et la FragilitóF[ Pub. Flammarion, 1972, Paris.], gives as an example the well-known case of the 'mutton-bird' that lives in the Pacific, with its journey of over 16,500 miles in the shape of the figure 8 [ It makes this journey over a period of six months, and comes back to its departure point with
 a maximum delay of one week.]. It must be acknowledged that the highly complicated instructions for a journey of this kind simply have to be contained in the bird's nervous cells. They are most definitely programmed, but who is the programmer?
  
4. The Source of the Constituents of Animal Milk  This is defined in the Qur'an in strict accordance with the data of modern knowledge (sura 16, verse 66). The translation and interpretation of this verse given here is my own because even modern translations habitually give it a meaning which is, in my opinion, hardly acceptable. Here are two examples:
  --R. Blachؘ's translation: [ Pub. G. P. Maisonneuve et Larose, 1966, Paris,] 
"Verily, in your cattle there is a lesson for you! We give you a pure milk to drink, excellent for its drinkers; (it comes) from what, in their bellies, is between digested food and blood."
  --Professor Hamidullah's translation: [ Pub. Club Fran³s du Livre, 1971, Paris.] 
"Verily, there is food for thought in your cattle. From what is in their bellies, among their excrement and blood, We make you drink pure milk, easy for drinkers to imbibe." 
  If these texts were shown to a physiologist, he would reply that they were extremely obscure, the reason being that there hardly appears to be much agreement between them and modern notions, even on a very elementary level. These translations are the work of highly eminent Arabists. It is a well known fact however, that a translator, even an expert, is liable to make mistakes in the translation of scientific statements, unless he happens to be a specialist in the discipline in question. 
  The most valid translation seems to me to be the following:
"Verily, in cattle there is a lesson for you. We give you to drink of what is inside their bodies, coming from a conjunction between the contents of the intestine and the blood, a milk pure and pleasant for those who drink it." (sura 16, verse 66)
  This interpretation is very close to the one given in the Muntakab, 1973, edited by the Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs, Cairo, which relies for its support on modern physiology.
  From the point of view of its vocabulary, the proposed translation may be justified as follows:
  I have translated ?inside their bodies' and not, as R. Blachؘ and Professor Hamidullah have done, 'inside their bellies'. This is because the word batn also means 'middle', ?interior of something', as well as 'belly'. The word does not here have a meaning that is anatomically precise. 'Inside their bodies' seems to concur perfectly with the context.
  The notion of a 'primary origin' of the constituents of milk is expressed by the word min (in English 'from') and the idea of a conjunction by the word baini. The latter not only signifies ?among' but also 'between' in the other translations quoted. It is however also used to express the idea that two things or two people are brought together.
  From a scientific point of view, physiological notions must be called upon to grasp the meaning of this verse.
  The substances that ensure the general nutrition of the body come from chemical transformations which occur along the length of the digestive tract. These substances come from the contents of the intestine. On arrival in the intestine at the appropriate stage of chemical transformation, they pass through its wall and towards the systemic circulation. This passage is effected in two ways: either directly, by what are called the 'lymphatic vessels', or indirectly, by the portal circulation. This conducts them first to the liver, where they undergo alterations, and from here they then emerge to join the systemic circulation. In this way everything passes through the bloodstream.
  The constituents of milk are secreted by the mammary glands. These are nourished, as it were, by the product of food digestion brought to them via the bloodstream. Blood therefore plays the role of collector and conductor of what has been extracted from food, and it brings nutrition to the mammary glands, the producers of milk, as it does to any other organ.
  Here the initial process which sets everything else in motion is the bringing together of the contents of the intestine and blood at the level of the intestinal wall itself. This very precise concept is the result of the discoveries made in the chemistry and physiology of the digestive system. It was totally unknown at the time of the Prophet Muhammad and has been understood only in recent times. The discovery of the circulation of the blood, was made by Harvey roughly ten centuries after the Qur'anic Rev elation.
  I consider that the existence in the Qur'an of the verse referring to these concepts can have no human explanation on account of the period in which they were formulated. 
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marguerite hampton <ecopilgrim at aabol.com> wrote:
  Dr. Alam wrote in part: 



Your search is like the search for "theory of everything".. I recall
StepheBibleking ..I wished you to 

see a book by Maurice Bucaulle on Quran,Bible and Sceince before you go
ahead with your work. 



Dear Dr. Alam. Yes, in a way the Sacred Quest is a search for "the theory
of everything" -- however, 

while others have used different criteria for their search, I am focusing on
"human biology".for my 

thesis as to how the mind-field emmanates. 



Could we agree that there are several dimensions of consciousness: (1)
individual (2) cosmological;

(3) physiological/biological (4) collective: (5) social/cultural, and (6)
spiritual, but that at the bottom 

of all fields of consciousness lies the human biological field. 



I also feel, Dr. Alam, that you are well read and extremely intelligent. 
Our differences and 

communication gaps appear to be mainly cultural in nature and could we but
develop a 

common language which unites our two views, could largely overcome any
differences IMHO. 



As to the book you mention: by Maurice Bucaulle on Quran, Bible and Science,
I feel it could

be very helpful since you indicate here that it approaches each from a
scientific view. Is there 

a way you can provide me with a copy of the book? 



As for the Quran or the Bible, I do not wish to either include or preclude
them at this point as 

there is no specific scientific point of view brought out in either of them.
However, that does 

not mean that some of the mythology in them does not have basis in science,
but I feel this is 

exactly what we want to carefully reveal. I have included two books
involving Buddhism which demonstrate its basis from a scientific point of
view. In "The Universe In an Atom" the Dalai 

Lama compares Buddhism to Quantum Physics. And in "The Quantum and The
Lotus". 

Mattheiu Ricard, a molecular biologist and now a Buddhist Monk and 
translator for The Dalai 

Lama, discusses Buddhism and Quantum Physics with acclaimed astrophysicist:
Trinh Xuan

Than, who was born into a Buddhist family in Viet Nam. When they first met,
they began to 

compare the things Buddhism and science have in common, and in this book,
they continue 

this dialog. It would be very interesting to do this with regard to the
Quran. 



However, I would like to make it clear that I am not interested in going
into issues related to 

morality -- and you seem very much oriented to that viewpoint. Since I am
authoring this book, 

I ask that your respect my views on this and that we stick to what science
can prove in the field of 

human biology and consciousness as we search for new meaning together. 



marguerite 



Dear Robert and Marquerite ,



Greetings for peace,



I noted some typographical mistake in my post dated 1 September, 2006. I am
correcting the same in the quoted post of mine..2



With best wishes and regards



Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam



robert searle wrote:





----- Original Message ----

From: robert searle 

To: mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com

Sent: Friday, 1 September, 2006 9:10:00 AM

Subject: Re: [GJM] Comments for Dr.Alam (Marguerite; Please exapnd the
reading List)



Dear All,



Without a fuller understanding of esoteric knowledge as indicated in
Multi-Dimensional Science "New Age" ideas based on advanced physics will
always be very limited. Yet, they are a step in the right direction but like
Holodynamics (et al) will remain essentially incomplete though their
proponents would ofcourse state otherwise.



Moreover, MDS offers literally for the first time a system in which the
non-physical could arguably be proven indirectly via controlled experiments.
This too is a step in the right direction as far as humanity is concerned.
It has never been done like this before. With a more objective, and 
scientific" comprehension of the Unseen many existing forms of meditation,
or spiritual technologies (eg Holodynamics ofcourse in this case) would be
dramatically ENHANCED.



MDS is not just another invention. It is the invention par excellence on
which present science has no choice other than to adopt in the future if it
is serious about the advancement of humanity.



R.Searle.





----- Original Message ----

From: Muhammad Mukhtar Alam 

To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice net>

Cc: Arshi Aftab 

Sent: Friday, 1 September, 2006 8:00:44 AM

Subject: Re: [GJM] Comments for Dr.Alam (Marguerite; Please exapnd the
reading List)



Dear Margurite,



Greetings for peace,



I have spent my critical time in responding to your mails and I am sure you
also have done the same..I have read quite some of the titles that you refer
I have done my disseration after looking for prescriptive and diagnostic
propositions..Your search is like the search for "theory of everything".. I
recall Stephen Hawking ..I wished you to see a book by Maurice Bucaulle on
Quran,Bible and Sceince before you go ahead with your work. There are many
notions derived from the readings of the holy texts that are not at all
correct..



Please also include the Holy Quran in your reading list .That is also a
text..rather a text recited and read daily by billions .Is not it important
to have a careful look..I am quite well read ..and I am in discussion also
becuase I have read books across the dsciplines, domains, religions and
ideologies..



Your understanding of the "Allah" is not correct as that is a word in Arabic
for the Eternal Creator ,who was niether begotten not beget..Allah is known
with several synonymous names in other laguages ..Om is a Sanskrit word.
that is used sysnomiously...Allah/.../....///the Creator of the worlds,
biologies,ecologies, systems,...that we learn to investigate is Absolute..in
the beginning and the End.



I would like to seek better understanding of the communications of the word
of Allah, noted in the holy texts..Please see the Holy Qur'an..There are
contexual commands with eternal implications ..at the same time there are
matters that are defined for us with reference to the origin of the Creation
It is stated that the knowledge of Qur'an is the best knowledge..I went
back to Qur'an only in 1992 .There are many who have not read the Book but
then have opinions..I would like to repeat my request to you for having a
moratorium for reading the Book..the Mother of Books...



Allah is not a deity..as you mention in your letter dated 27/8..Deities as
know were like as men and women with limited life..and they will be as
accountable to their deeds in their life as we are for our on the Day of
Judgement ..Worship of idols, I am sure , you know is no..no for all who
believe in the word of Allah..We can have respect for each other.. we never
have unconditional positive regard in the normal situation..in case there
are needs for mutual enjoining and exhortation..



I forget another point from the letter but that also showed that you were
not aware of the communications of the words of Allah..For pleasing the
rejectors of the communications, I am not sure , if even the
nanotechnological outputs for explaing the Implicate Order with a design.
will be good enough to let them say



no to usury..

no to adultery..

no to homosexuality

no to usurious finance system

no to exhibitionist consumption



therefore, it is very wise to suggest a practice that will help in
transformation of the consumption,behaivour,production pattern that is
eternally safe and ecologically secure



You may see a paper of mine analysing the movements across the world at www
worldunitydays.net posted for discussion at first virtual congress on world
citizenship and democratic global governane..



With best wishes and prayer for temporal and eternal wellbeing



Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam

New Delhi



















marguerite hampton wrote:



Dear Dr. Alam,



Thank you for your Greetings for Peace and I return them.



Re: "Your responses". Please keep in mind that I am writing a book on the

scientifically-based biology of human consciousness. I have undertaken this

as a project to further explore the realm of Holodynamics which began with

Dr. Vernon Woolf. And, please remember that I am using information

gathered from scientists whose work has been validated.



For thousands of years, the knowledge of consciousness was "faith-based"

because science lacked the ability to examine the interactions of the human

brain and body to determine how consciousness emerged. Now we have

arrived at a time in history where new instrumentation, much of it developed

by NASA in its efforts to learn more about outer space, allows us to measure

and record the subtle energy vibrations of inner space in such a way as to

learn about human consciousness and how it has evolved over eons of time.

As the science-based paradigm emerges, many people are unwilling to go

along with "faith-based religion" as presenting a valid view of reality.
Many of

those you call "atheists" are simply looking for sound vaid premises from
which

to view the world.



While human consciousness was previously thought to exist primarily in the

brain, scientific research is now revealing that intelligence exists

throughout the body. And, consciousness emerges in several different forms,

particle, wave, or holodynamic (gestalt) according to how the body and the
brain

are entrained or integrated.



As I have iterated previously, this has tremendous implications for society;

particularly with regard to how we meet the unprecedented challenges of
today

as we fact ecological collapse and loss of our life support system. As

Albert Einstein said, "We cannot solve the problems using the same methods

that brought us here". And what brought us here is linear left-brain or
particle

thinking. Remember Dr. Paul McLean's words in Triune Consciousness as

he revealed to us that the majority of people are linear left-brain thinkers
--

thus they can only view life from a very narrow scope. We must broaden

our vision and learn to see the "whole dynamic" of any given situation so

as to be able to make viable intelligent decisions.



After reviewing several hundred books and articles related to this subject

over the past 6 - 8 months, I found the following to contain the most
enlightening

information backed by scientific research.



The Dance of Life - Dr. V. Vernon Woolf - Psychologist

The Biology of Belief - Dr. Bruce Lipton - Cellular Biologist

The Biology of Transcendence - John Chilton Pearce - Researcher

Molecules of Emotion - Dr. Candance Pert - Molecular Biologist

Transforming Human Culture - Dr. Jay Earley - Psychologist

Smart Moves - Dr. Carla Hannaford - Biologist

Infinite Mind - Dr. Valerie V. Hunt - Psychologist and Physiobiologist

Assorted articles by cellular biologist - Dr. Mae-Wan Ho

Assorted articles by neurobiologist - Dr. Paul McLean

Quantum Healing - Dr. Deepak Chopra - Medical Doctor

Assorted books by Ken Wilber, author of approximately 18 books on the study

of human consciousness.

The Universe Story - Brian Swimme, Cosmologist & Fr. Thomas Berry, Ecozoist

The Universe in a Nutshell - Stephen Hawking

The Universe in an Atom - The Dalai Lama

The Dancing Wu Li Masters - Gary Zukov - Quantum Physics

The Field - Lynne McTaggart - Researcher

Morphogenetic Fields, Dr. Rupert Sheldrake - Biologistg

t

The Web of Life - Dr.Fritjov Capra - Biologist

The Quantum and The Lotus - Matthieu Ricard - Buddhist Monk & Trinh

XuanThuan - Astrophysicist.

The Afterlife Experiments - Dr. Gary E. Schwartz - a Professor of Psychology

Surgery, Medicine, Neurology, and Psychiatry

Be Careful What You Pray For, You Just Might Get It - Dr. Larry Dossey,
Medical Doctor



I have not included the work of many eminent researchers into quantum
physicists here

since Dr.Woolf laid the groundwork for this field, along with that of the
world as a hologram.

in his books: Holodynamics and The Dance Of Life.



If you can provide scientifically-based information for this project, Dr.
Alam, I will be

happy to review it for incorporation into The Sacred Quest.



As to "sustainability" - The Sacred Quest is planned as a trilogy -- the
first book being

the scientific study of the field of biology and understanding human
consciousness in

all of its dimensions. The second in the series will be on maintaining the
body/mind in

peak operating condition so that we are always operating in the form of "our
full potential

self" so that we have optimum brain/mind power at our disposal. The third
book will be

on how to achieve sustainable living in our homes and communities on a world
wide scale,

as we learn how to apply what we have learned about both human and earth
consciousness.



We also need to be able to apply this knowledge ASAP And Dr. Woolf
designedes

Holodynamics so the effects of it could be implemented by an individual or a
group ism

almost immediately. And, as opposed to NLP, the individual does the
transformation

process her/himself. The seminars demonstrate how one may do this and how to
become

more proficient in it by developing a "more authentic self". .



Also, Holodynamics has been compared to all other forms of transformational
healing.

Research has shown that there are 20 different constructs of consciousness,
in the form

of both manifest and unmanifest mechanisms. Holdynamics has been designed to
reach

all 20 constructs whereas all other forms of treatment reach on an average
of only 7 - 8

constructs. At this point, Dr. Woolf's work stands alone in the field of
transformation for

the "collective consciousness".



I am sorry but, I do not recall making mention in my post of Bush's thousand
points of life.



In peace and with love



Marguerite







Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:01:28 -0700 (PDT)

From: Muhammad Mukhtar Alam 

Subject: Re: [GJM] Giftegrity and Reciprocity reposted from SynEarth

with comment from Marguerite

To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice



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Dear Marguerite,



Greetings for peace,



I hope some of my responses will be found in order with reference to the

Consciousness of Jesus ,Peace be unto him (PBUH), the son of Mary (PBUH) and

the messenger of Allah/God/..the Creator of all the seven skies and

firmanents of Earth..I have read your propositions thoroughly and I would

like to write in detail some comments for your post on triune consciousness

consisting of particle.wave,presence dimension of consciousness..I was

comparing my own consciousness as one who endeavours to follow the

communications of Allah recorded for us through the holy books..



What is this thousand lights of George Bush that you refer in your post..



marguerite hampton wrote:

Dear Marguerite ,

Tomorrow, I will go into this in great detail. When the brain is

perfectly entrained, what naturally emerges is a human consciousness that I

have begun to refer to as "the Christ Consciousness" -- it is a

consciousness that is "all-knowing and all-seeing". And, from all

apperances, can be achieved by anyone. As we go deeper into this, we will

also come face-to-face with Zero Point Energy.

In peace and with love,

marguerite



The Consciousness of Jesus (PBUH) was inspired with the revealation from

Allah/..God/../ ..

p-brane with dimensions are guided..



For us we need the guidance for acheiving those dimensions..Prayer 5 times

a day is the best instrument..Those seeking more pleasure pray more and seek

the contenance of Allah/God/...





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