[GJM] Atheistic Social Constructionists, The Qur'an, and other Belief Systemshat

Tue Nov 28 02:12:52 MST 2006

Dear Marguerite ,

  We need one governance protocol for addressing the climate change..the actions have to be simultaneous..There are specific policy actions that are needed..Earth is a creation of God..and one of the source for energies..Kindly be objective..You may see some valuable information on www.islamreligion.com

  Religion is about reuniting with the Creator..God/Allah....re+lego--- we were discussing the problems with communications of the messengers recorded in the various holy books..

  Sankara is just another name for me in the polytheistic narrative..Kindly avoid books that are based on personal opinions..and whims

  I would like to suggest again for revisiting the holy books..wars had been there and there are many wars ravaging the continents till now..we need a global framework for unity ,personal and collective endeavor..Islam is one recommended by the messengers.Belivers all over the world are ecoligically intelligent

  Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam

marguerite hampton <ecopilgrim at aabol.com> wrote:
              Dear Dr. Alam, (and All) 

  Greetings for peace, and with all due respect for you and how you feel, I
  would like to bring  attention to others who are certainly not aetheists,
  but are choosing to "find God without religion".

  If we truly search back in history, it is replete with a long history of
  bloodshed which the human family has experienced because of organized
  religion's political and economical interests.  Yet, if we search back into
  the Neolithic Age, before the time of the "dominator paradigm" from which
  emerged religiosity, we find instead a natural spirituality which was the
  underlying premise of the peaceful "partnership" society of that time when
  worship was directed toward the goddess and the earth as givers of life.

  Yet, today,  we are living in a world that is continuously aflame with
  religious hatred that shows no signs of abating.  And Western religions may
  be the ones putting fuel to the flame as we hang on to Dark Age religious
  fundamentalism which proclaims the world to be the domain of a remote,
  transcendent, authoritarian God.

  In view of this, millions of people are deciding that it is now time to say
  farewell to faith-based religion, and to embrace more positive approaches to
  a personal spirituality.  Many of these approaches are suprisingly based in
  the new science" which embraces quantum physics and tips us toward an 
  expanded sense of self which embraces life not death. .  

  One does not have to be Jewish, Christian, or Muslim to see the real message
  that God is part of us all and we are all part of God. We are both creator
  and co-creator, and as such, true spirituality runs deep for those who have
  set themselves free from religious dogma.

  More and more people, Dr. Alam, are now recognizing that there are many 
  ways to become spiritual, one of the most profound being a reuniting with their 
  Earth Mother.  Reunion with the Earth Mother brings about a true recognition 
  of that which is divine through the feminine, the "giver of life" while acknowledging 
  "the partnership" that emanates from the participation of Father Sun in bringing
  forth life.  .

  One of those questioning centuries of "accepted truth" and attempting to 
  help us all transcend religious dogma is Sankara Saranam.  Saranam is the author 
  of "God Without Religion". This book, with a forward by Arun Ghandi, a grandchild of
  Mohandas Karamachand Gandhi and founder of the M.K Ghandi Institute for
  Nonviolence, is for those who want to see an end to contentiousness and bigotry as is 
  found in our places of worship today. Let us bring to an end the rule of demi-gods 
  as they continue to use the podium for economic and political exploitation rather than 
  to bring peace and cooperation to the world.  It is time for us to end this practice and 
  again return to the inner knowing innate within us that will set us free.  

  I ask you, Dr. Alam, to join with me in ending war by ending the devisiveness created
  by religious belief systems. 

  I do not believe that adversarial religion is any more beneficial than adversarial politics.  

  To order this book:   
   http://www.godwithoutreligion.com/  

  marguerite 

  There is no path to peace -- Peace is the way .M. Gandhi

  Message: 3
  Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:14:54 -0800 (PST)
  From: Muhammad Mukhtar Alam <mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com>
  Subject: Re: [GJM] Atheistic Social Constructionists, The Qur'an, and
    other Belief Systems .
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  Dear Margaret,

    Greeting for peace,

    With praises to Almighty for giving us the intellect and the knowledge of
  names of things..food that we eat and the air that we breathe..I would like
  to note that those who reject the communications of messengers as recorded
  in the Holy Quran and then present people with no faith in the
  communications as role models are hurting themselves..I find your writings
  inspired by such men who believe in false atheistic social constructionist
  accounts about ethics,aesthetics and epistemology...about the origin of the
  world and about so many other issues..I concluded for categorising the
  narratives in atheistic,polytheistic and monotheistic narratives..Please see
  the conceptual organisation of mine...at http://muhammad_mukhtar_alam
  tigblog.org

    I know all you say and also guess about the responses in the atheistic
  narrative..Spirit is a gift of life and we get this spirit working either in
  abidance to the commands of Allah or in abidance to the commands of Satan..
  People not believing in Moses (PBUH) and Jesus (PBUH) and not ready to study
  the word of God may take recourse to the version of X,Y.Z..about the word of
  Allah/God/..the creator of all universes .."Muslims" believe in the
  communications of the word of Allah.

    I may not be able to convince you ..I have chosen to follow the word of
  God..and I find that suitable for addressing the ecological and all
  challenges..All the messengers were asked to communicate and not be worried
  about the result..as the guidance for men and women is from God only.

    I will be grateful for the reference for the verse as I have not come
  across such a verse..I know of verse calling the beleiver to obey Allah and
  obey the messengers..Muslim send greetings of peace to all messengers..I
  send greetings with the hope of guidance to you..we need to prayer for our
  guidance consistently...Muslims recite the first Sura in all Salats...where
  a prayer is there for guidance from Allah..we never get arrogant...unless
  for asserting the word..even there is protocol for using the best means of
  communications with non-Muslims..

    With best wishes

    Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
    Delhi
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