[GJM] #14 Replies to #13 Brad Edmonds On TOP And TWP

[robert searle]

    Dear MH,


            I will reply "in brief":-


a) I am glad you have come across Gandy,and
Freke.However, I have not read their  other work you
mentioned.


b) What I meant about Mr. Bunzl is that he is not one
of the tiny handful of top plutocrats with great
power. He may have "privliged" access to some of them
,and their organisations which may well be true.
However, this does not qualify him as being part of
the elite as I would understand it.


c)You are right the GMS does not care for
social,economic,and political justice...unless it
serious disturbs profiteering!!!This is why "bribing"
them to do the "right thing" is the road ahead.
Admitedly, it may not be right morally but we have
little choice, and little time. All this has already
been explained albeit somewhat simplistically in
connection with the positive engagement of banks, and
corporations in the TFE paradigm.


d)I understand your disgust for politics, and
politicians, and just simply going your own way by
following a simple sustainable lifestyle. However, to
suggest that some "natural" and/or man-made disaster
would possibly bring about such a world out of
necessity is somehow immoral. It could well happen but
whether it would remain "self-sustaining" is another
matter. It would really depend on how devasting the
disaster was, and how damaged the former economic
system had become.


R.Searle




-- marguerite hampton <ecopilgrim at aabol.com> wrote:

> I did not see these messages on the GJM list, but
> picked
> 
> them up among other messages on the FixGov list and
> 
> want to respond. 
> 
> 
> 
> Robert Searle wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
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> From: robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk>
> 
> To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice
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> <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
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> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:26:33 +0000 (GMT)
> 
> Subject: Re: [GJM] #14 Replies to #13 Brad Edmonds
> On TOP And TWP
> 
> 
> 
> Dear MH,
> 
> 
> 
> You should read the book The Jesus Mysteries by
> 
> Gandy, and Freke which reveals that the New
> Testaments
> 
> stories are directly taken from certain legends
> about
> 
> Dionysius, and Osiris. In other words, Jesus =
> 
> Dionysius/Osiris. It is quite incredible but it is
> 
> backed up with a large amount of scholarly evidence.
> 
> 
> 
> Eco: 
> 
> 
> 
> Robert, the latest book by Freke and Gandy is "The 
> 
> Laughing Jesus".  I must agree with you that they do
> 
> back up their findings with solid and factual
> evidence.
> 
> Much of the Gnostic findings have been taken from
> the
> 
> Nag Hammadi books which for different reasons were
> 
> suppressed after their findings.  They tell a much 
> 
> different tale than what the Bible tells as do the
> Dead
> 
> Sea Scrolls which the Catholic Church has also tried
> 
> 
> to suppress.  This is one of the reasons I have
> written
> 
> several times that the Vatican needs to open up for 
> 
> scrutiny the vast amount of documents hidden away in
> 
> their vaults.  
> 
> 
> 
> Robert: 
> 
> As for John Bunzl (whom I actually met) I feel you
> are
> 
> being somewhat unfair. He is a businessman but I am
> 
> sure he is not in the same ranks of the Richard
> 
> Bransons, and George Soross of the world. I feel you
> 
> are doing him something of an injustice by claiming
> 
> that he is part of an elite. 
> 
> 
> 
> Eco:  Robert, it was John Bunzl himself who said he
> 
> was a member of the elite which gave him certain
> 
> privileges to meetings, etc., such as the WTO.  
> 
> 
> 
> Early on, when he first wrote the draft for the
> Simultaneous
> 
> Policy, I was on the SP list and received several
> copies
> 
> of the draft.  Initially I felt it was a good idea;
> however,
> 
> as I began to read it more thoroughly, I had
> questions 
> 
> which I brought up on the list -- but I could never
> get any
> 
> straight answers.  When I kept bringing up these
> questions,
> 
> for which there were no answers, it became quite 
> 
> embarrassing to Bunzl since he was heavily
> recruiting for SP, 
> 
> and new members were taking part in the discussions.
> John
> 
> eventually threw me off the list because of this. I
> have tried
> 
> time and again to engage him in discussion, but he
> always
> 
> wiggles out of it. 
> 
> 
> 
> One of the main reasons I don't like SP is that it
> proposes
> 
> to solve the problem politically and I find politics
> more the
> 
> problem and having little, if any, ability to solve
> anything. 
> 
> 
> 
> Robert: 
> 
> Moreover, I do think your comments are as usual
> 
> somewhat naive, and unrealistic. You cannot fight
> the
> 
> banks, or the corporations (unless you had massive
> 
> public support which is unlikely in extremis as most
> 
> of us are too apathetic, complacent, and useless
> when
> 
> it comes to such vital matters) as they have to be
> 
> somehow reformed in some other way...
> 
> 
> 
> It does not matter whether a plutocracies exist, or
> 
> not. What matters is whether we can eradicate the
> 
> injustices of the world. The elite can remain the
> 
> elite if they are willing to go along with this. In
> 
> TFE this is possible, and more importantly there may
> 
> well be little time to change things for the good
> 
> unless we join forces in reforming the banks, and
> 
> corporations in such a way that they would
> themselves
> 
> benefit. More importantly, global justice, and
> 
> sustainability would be promoted at the sametime.  
> 
> need to get off our moral hobby horse, and think
> more
> 
> REALISTICALLY, AND YET, DIFFERENTLY..
> 
> 
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