[GJM] #14 Replies to #13 Brad Edmonds On TOP And TWP

[marguerite hampton]

I did not see these messages on the GJM list, but picked

them up among other messages on the FixGov list and

want to respond. 



Robert Searle wrote: 



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From: robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk>

To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:26:33 +0000 (GMT)

Subject: Re: [GJM] #14 Replies to #13 Brad Edmonds On TOP And TWP



Dear MH,



You should read the book The Jesus Mysteries by

Gandy, and Freke which reveals that the New Testaments

stories are directly taken from certain legends about

Dionysius, and Osiris. In other words, Jesus =

Dionysius/Osiris. It is quite incredible but it is

backed up with a large amount of scholarly evidence.



Eco: 



Robert, the latest book by Freke and Gandy is "The 

Laughing Jesus".  I must agree with you that they do

back up their findings with solid and factual evidence.

Much of the Gnostic findings have been taken from the

Nag Hammadi books which for different reasons were

suppressed after their findings.  They tell a much 

different tale than what the Bible tells as do the Dead

Sea Scrolls which the Catholic Church has also tried 

to suppress.  This is one of the reasons I have written

several times that the Vatican needs to open up for 

scrutiny the vast amount of documents hidden away in

their vaults.  



Robert: 

As for John Bunzl (whom I actually met) I feel you are

being somewhat unfair. He is a businessman but I am

sure he is not in the same ranks of the Richard

Bransons, and George Soross of the world. I feel you

are doing him something of an injustice by claiming

that he is part of an elite. 



Eco:  Robert, it was John Bunzl himself who said he

was a member of the elite which gave him certain

privileges to meetings, etc., such as the WTO.  



Early on, when he first wrote the draft for the Simultaneous

Policy, I was on the SP list and received several copies

of the draft.  Initially I felt it was a good idea; however,

as I began to read it more thoroughly, I had questions 

which I brought up on the list -- but I could never get any

straight answers.  When I kept bringing up these questions,

for which there were no answers, it became quite 

embarrassing to Bunzl since he was heavily recruiting for SP, 

and new members were taking part in the discussions. John

eventually threw me off the list because of this. I have tried

time and again to engage him in discussion, but he always

wiggles out of it. 



One of the main reasons I don't like SP is that it proposes

to solve the problem politically and I find politics more the

problem and having little, if any, ability to solve anything. 



Robert: 

Moreover, I do think your comments are as usual

somewhat naive, and unrealistic. You cannot fight the

banks, or the corporations (unless you had massive

public support which is unlikely in extremis as most

of us are too apathetic, complacent, and useless when

it comes to such vital matters) as they have to be

somehow reformed in some other way...



It does not matter whether a plutocracies exist, or

not. What matters is whether we can eradicate the

injustices of the world. The elite can remain the

elite if they are willing to go along with this. In

TFE this is possible, and more importantly there may

well be little time to change things for the good

unless we join forces in reforming the banks, and

corporations in such a way that they would themselves

benefit. More importantly, global justice, and

sustainability would be promoted at the sametime.  

need to get off our moral hobby horse, and think more

REALISTICALLY, AND YET, DIFFERENTLY..



Eco:  Robert, I have been reading and researching for

almost 20 years now the Global Monetocracy System

and those who have controlled it down through the ages.

By the GMS, I am talking about those who control the

very financial system and the banks you speak of.  And 

in the process have read almost 1,000 books on this and 

related subjects -- related subjects meaning mostly history 

beginning from the Neolithic Age to the present.  And

history means also religion and the mythology surrounding

it and how it affected the GMS.  



And, I don't believe most people know how closely related

are religion and the GMS.  



One of the reasons I am glad to see books like The Jesus

Mysteries and The Laughing Jesus being written and 

getting wide dissemination by Gnostics, whose knowledge

has been suppressed for quite some time now, is that 

more and more people are beginning to tire of "faith-based 

religious dogma" and are demanding to know the truth.  With

the advent of the Internet, so much factual information has 

reached the general public that it is no longer possible to

keep the truth from the masses as has been possible in the

past.  



It is also great to see the effort that is being made by 

scholastic groups such as that of the online History List,

a group of history professors world wide who have 

grouped together and are digging into past history in an 

attempt to determine what is truth and what is fiction created 

by those who are desirous of controlling the world for their own 

benefit.  



I do believe that  the recent vote by the American public

was a reflection of a new awareness of how dangerous

faith-based dogma can be as demonstrated by

faith-based theologians and their followers who practice 

a fundamentalist form of Christianity based more on the

Pauline doctrine than on true Christianity. 



Dr. Deepak Chopra said something not long ago which I

feel is very pertinent today:  He wrote that if religion were 

the answer we would not be sufferering the problems we

have today.  I think we all need to get really honest with

ourselves and begin to ask how much of the grief and

sufferering in the world has been caused by religion. And 

what does this say about the true message of early 

Christianity as believed by the Pagans. 



What we know today is that going back to the Neolithic

Age, there existed a peaceful and matriachial-based

society which revered the goddess and the earth

as the givers of life.  But this does not mean that women

ruled -- these were partnership-based societies where 

men and women were considered equal.  This was 

a time before the advent of the monotheistic God and his

son Jesus came into being and from which times violent

wars have been fought as the dominator paradigm became

prevalent throughout the world. 



You know there are millions and millions of us who do not

believe in Jesus or in the concept of God as espoused by

Western belief systems.  And I know more and more people

who are turning toward Buddhism as The Dalai Lama 

walks the path of peace and epitomizes that which so many

desire,yet their form of religion does not bring them. 



It is time for some practical thinking and some deep soul

searching IMHO. 



Also, I have previously written re: the many-headed hydra system

that the GMS has set up which gives them virtual control at this 

time.  Where I feel you make your mistake, Robert, is in thinking that 

the GMS cares about the people in the system and can be prevailed

upon to change.  Again, with such an excess of people in the world

and available for labor, and with so much technology available to

take the place of human labor, we-the-people are nothing more than

chess pieces in a game  -- we have become "disposable" items in

the system.  We are Orwell's characters in his novel. 



And while there are some people in the system who do care, 

they too have become victims of the system.  And, like the rest of

us if they don't go along with what's going on, then they too are 

disposed of.  Look at how many assassinations have occurred

beginning with John F. Kennedy  and now getting down into the staff 

level where hundreds are "disappeared" annually. 



While I believe that "presence" can break through many walls, this 

one appears to be formidable -- there are not yet enough of us to 

exert our mind power and we need to gather strength -- but neither 

is time on our side.  And, although I do believe that many lives will

be lost, but global climate change will be our best friend. Can it 

be any worse than the suffering of those involved in war, the 

starvation in so many countries, the Aid's epidemic?  Think about

it. 





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From: Martin Hattersley <hattersleyjm at interbaun.com>

To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice

<discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:20:07 -0700

Subject: Re: [GJM] #14 Replies to #13 Brad 

Edmonds On TOP And TWP



Marguerite -



I think your history and your theology are 

very much out to lunch, but otherwise, 

I agree with your sentiments.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ End Martin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



eco: 



Martin, may I suggest to you that much of history has 

been purposely distorted and billions of people taken

in by the propaganda disseminated not only by our

religious institutions but also by our educational 

system so as to maintain control over the human mind. 

And, of late, the media has been taken in by this need

to distort as well --  mainly due to money having become

our God. 



One of the reasons I am so committed to a journalistic

investigation of the biology of human consciousness 

is that with the sophisticated instruments we have today

which can measure human energy vibrations, the truth is

becoming more difficult to distort.