[GJM] Faith based Ecological Audit of the Consumption patterns

Tue Nov 21 06:18:41 MST 2006

Robert , 

  Greetings for peace,

  You appear to have read in too much in people like Frank Feather who went ahead of Elvin Toffler and suggested that all the 6 billion can live in a city like New York. Margurite is right in getting the action in here and now gloabally.

  I suggest adoption of prayer 5 times a day like Muslims do in here an now for regulating the consumption patterns..we can get rid of all the unneccary consumption that is fuelling the global economy..including the night life..bars dancing halls, leisure jaunts and so on .Technothusiasts are there too many who think that problems and generated through technology and it will be solved by technology..

  You are also overestimating the importance of NGOs.I am in this sector..and know too well the limitations of the some of large NGOs..who have nothing against adultery,exhibitionism and does not policy for addressing the climate change..through they make postures without taking real actions with measurable outcomes..

  I have also called for faith based ecological audit of the consumption patterns...We can see that it is only through the adoption of faith based measures for replacing GHG consuming leisure engagements that are critical part of habitat designs all over..

  More that 170 slums have been demolished. in Delhi.There are more to be demolished. Planners and the Judiciary seek all the best for automobile owners and they wish to remove the workers and small entreprenuer..There is  indeed a serious crisis..Hazard Center here in Delhi has prepared a report..

  TFE is not yet clear as you have not made the final document..

  Wishing all the best 

robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:  Dear MH,

I am not implying in any way that you are
obtuse. I just find your outlook on things somehow
pointless, and unoriginal. If you came up with some
marvellous technology to perhaps suck up, or even
disperse the greenhouse gases into space I would
respect you more (ie.geo-engineering). 

Ofcourse, civilizations have risen, and fallen in the
past..Yet, our understanding now about the world, and
how it can be reformed is far more advanced than
before. I would rather take a positive attitude
towards the future, but it does require realistic
original thinking which is so desparetely needed. 

Over-consumption, and over-production are not going to
disappear overnight in a transfinancial economy. But,
we would have at least the finance available for it to
happen in a more sustainable way with the use of 
advanced technologies. NGOs opposed to it on
principle would still exist but would be more
influential because they would be better funded. Greed
is not going to disappear overnight but for the time
being it could be contained, and trained in such a way
to give rise to a better, and more just world. This is
where the TFE paradigm comes in.

Regards,

Robert Searle

--- marguerite hampton wrote:

> Robert Seare writes in part: 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear MH,
> 
> 
> 
> I do now feel you have fully revealed your
> true
> 
> colours, and I am in no way suprised. I think the
> idea
> 
> of waiting for some kind of a disaster to bring
> about
> 
> small "zero growth" eco-communities is a shameful,
> and
> 
> backward stance to take. What if this "disaster"
> 
> could lead to the death of millions on planet if
> 
> something serious is not done NOW? One of those
> 
> millions could be you, or me, or even some relative,
> 
> your son,your daughter...?
> 
> 
> 
> My reply: 
> 
> 
> 
> Robert, my mission over the past 20+ years has 
> 
> always been to assist as many people as possible
> 
> through this great time of crisis. However, I do 
> 
> believe that the statistics being that during the 
> 
> time since World War II, the people of the U.S.
> 
> created the most prosperous nation in the 
> 
> history of the world, yet at the same time created
> 
> more environmental devastation than at any time
> 
> in prerecorded history, demonstrates that we are
> 
> not about, as a collective consciousness,to enter 
> 
> into sustainable living practices. 
> 
> 
> 
> Just as with the addiction of individuals to things
> 
> like alcohol, gambling, drugs, etc., in many
> instances
> 
> the only thing which may be severe enough to jar 
> 
> them out of the stupor created by their addiction is
> 
> 
> a life crisis which threatens to disrupt their
> security, 
> 
> e.g., a wife leaving her husband, the threat of
> death
> 
> from liver damage, etc. 
> 
> 
> 
> What appears is that the only thing which may be
> sufficient to jar us out of
> our stupor of addiction to current lifestyle of
> excessive consumption,
> creating wars as a way to resolve issues, and other
> destructive behaviors,
> may be the intervention created by a world crisis of
> the magnitude of global
> climate change. 
> 
> 
> 
> While the GMS may have been the "siren's song" 
> 
> that led us into our present dilemna, the truth of
> the
> 
> matter is that without the complicity of the
> majority
> 
> of the people in the U.S. (and in other
> industrialized
> 
> countries) the present system could have not
> 
> succeeded as it has in setting us up for the present
> 
> apocalypse. 
> 
> 
> 
> In our own way we are all guilty and 
> 
> have acted as a "collective consciousness" to 
> 
> set up our own experience. 
> 
> 
> 
> Whatever, we are now involved in a crisis
> unprecedented in recorded global
> history. But those with foresight have been warning
> us about this potential
> crisis for at least the last 30 years and we have
> chosen to ignore the
> warnings. Now strong "visual evidence" not
> hypothesis is telling us that the
> witching hour has arrived -- what Al Gore's movie
> 
> "The Inconvenient Truth" tells us, by presenting the
> 
> 
> indisputable evidence visually, is that it is by far
> too late 
> 
> to turn back global climate change, we must now
> learn 
> 
> to live with it. 
> 
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, millions if not billions of people
> will be unable to
> withstand and survive the catastrophic change that
> is about to befall us.
> Too use to the "easy life" we are totally unprepared
> to withstand the
> challenges with which we are being faced. 
> 
> 
> 
> You know, we are not the first civilization to fall
> by the wayside in this
> game of life. We may not be the last. 
> 
> 
> 
> And, to insinuate in your message, as you have that
> I 
> 
> do not have empathy or compassion for others, is
> IMHO
> 
> an act of sheer stupidity on your part. And, please
> get
> 
> it that I am not insinuating that you yourself are
> stupid. 
> 
> 
> 
> BTW, will you please stop saying things about my
> involvement with 
> eco-communities" -- I am for 
> 
> establishing "community learning and information
> centers" internationally as
> a means of re-connecting a majority of people to the
> source of their
> spirit/soul so they may gain the skills necessary to
> survive this unrecorded
> in present human recorded history crisis. There is
> a 
> 
> very big difference. 
> 
> 
> 
> marguerite aka eco 
> 
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