[GJM] #15 Replies To #14 Replies To #13 Brad Edmonds On TOP And TWP

[Wesley S. Burt]

Good day again to all TOP adopters and politically 
        Correct defenders of TWP but not yet TOP,

Please find below four forwarded replies to 
this subject heading by authors who are as 
politically correct as Brad Edmonds on #13 
and David Kupelian on #12.  Marguerite leaves 
me speech less, so I offer my sincere apology 
for the unintentional offense she found in my 
writing to date.  I am in debt to Robert Searle, 
Martin Hattersley, and Muhammad Mukhtar Alam 
for their sympathy and support.  They could not 
approach any closer to this politically incorrect 
topic without appearing as traitors to their class.

Here is a suggested way forward:  We all take 
the easy step of becoming SP adopters, at  no 
cost or risk.  Then, if Mike Brady, Brian Jenkins, 
and Diana Trimble can keep up their splendid work, 
John Bunzl will become Master Of The Universe 
and select the optimum policy to be implemented 
by all nations simultaneously.  As Noam said, it 
certainly is worth a try.

Our attention is always directed toward the excessive 
power of corporations when an equally valid answer 
may be found in the disempowerment of people during 
their parenting age, as illustrated on the attached file.

Kind regards,

Wes Burt



--------- First of Four Forwarded messages ----------
From: "marguerite hampton" <ecopilgrim at aabol.com>
To: <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>, <FixGov at yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:53:50 -0800 (Pacific 
Standard Time)
Subject: [GJM]  #14 Replies to #13 Brad Edmonds 
On TOP And TWP


Wes Burt wrote in part. : 

For the rest of humanity another policy,
rather less than optimum, has been the
SOP (standard operating  policy) since
the King of Judah, Rehoboam, abandoned
TOP in B.C. 975 (I Kings 12) and destroyed
the Biblical Empire of Israel which had its
apogee of wealth and power under Kings
David and Solomon.  Call this SOP "the
wrong policy" (TWP) for convenience. 

Eco comments: 

Whoah -- just a minute here.  Wes, there 
has been a revival of "gnosticism" recently
and I have been exploring it with those who
have been researching the "truth" of the 
Bible or Tanakh for years.  

While we are exhorted by the Church to 
accept the Bible on faith, there are so many
contradictions in it it makes it  impossible 
for any sane person who has not been brain-
washed to do so.  

One of these stories is of King David and 
Solomon. -- Didn't David sleep with Bathsheba
another man's wife?  And weren't two children
conceived from this "unholy" union. And, as the 
story goes, one of the children was not allowed 
to live while the other "bastard child" Solomon
-- blessed by God -- was given a life of luxury.  

Isn't the Bible and the story of Jesus supposed
to be about "God-based ethics"? Here, we have
an example of God committing infanticide. 

Also, today's historical research, verified by 
archaeological finds and as carbon dating, etc., 
show that many of the events in "the Good Book" 
simply could not have taken place as described -- 
the story of King David and Solomon among them. 

I have come to the conclusion, Wes, in reading 
your diatribe and charts that you base many of
your findings on the "Pauline doctrine" which was
put in place by emperor Constantine at the Council
of Nicea, and, therefore are recommending that we
continue to follow the doctrine of the Holy Roman 
Church which was designed as a "social engineering
tool" to control the masses for the purpose of 
skimming money off of the efforts of their labor in
order to benefit the church.  A church which was a
front comprised of the aristocrats and priests in order
to accomplish this end and now remains in the name 
of "Literalist Christianity".   

It is becoming more and more apparent that the form 
of Christianity, as practiced by Pagans, prior to the 
Pauline Doctrine, was a natural form of spirituality 
which more closely parallels that of Eastern religion. 

What the Pauline Doctrine did was to create a duality 
as it denied quantum physics and created an artificial
world in which humanity became separated from its 
source -- the natural environment. 

Let's get off of this "kick" which you are promoting 
in the name of the Simultaneous Policy, which from 
my point-of-view simply continues to promote the 
"status quo" in order that the elite may continue 
to remain in control.  I resent the manner in which 
you continually attempt to maintain control of 
FixGov and now this list, by the manipulative 
techniques you use to do so.  Indeed, John Bunzl, 
the founder of The Simultaneous Policy, is by his 
own admission a member of the elite.  And I notice 
much simularity between SP and what you are 
promoting here in that almost one one seems 
to understand either.

Perhaps, both Literalist Christianity and the 
GMS have lost their appeal and the world is 
now asking for some honest truth so that 
we may move forward into the future in 
wholeness and devoid of politics.  

So, rather than the "claptrap" you keep 
trying to promote here, Wes, let's get down 
to the nitty-gritty of things as they are and 
figure out:

1.  The true state of the world in terms of;
     a.  Number of persons in the world's 
        available laborforce
     b.  Number of person's needed to supply 
        all of the goods and services for the 
        world's population.

     c.  Amount of critical resources available 
        for consumption and use for conversion 
        into products.
     d.  What products are mandatory in terms 
        of survival of the greatest number of 
        people on earth.
     e.  What are our energy resources and 
        how can we best utilize them -- what 
        products most need to be produced? 
     f.  How shall these products be produced? 
        when, where and by what means? e.g. 
        technology or human labor? 
     g.  What serves the best interests of humanity 
        -- war production or production that advances 
        human and planetary well-being?  
     h.  What type of financial system serves 
        in the best interests of all of humanity? 
        local or international? 

In the (H) first, monetary control is placed in the 
hands of many -- under the (H) second it remains 
in the hands of a few.

There are a lot more questions here, but this 
should do as a start. 

marguerite 
~~~~~~~~~~~ End Marguerite ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--------- Second Forwarded message ----------
From: robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice
<discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:26:33 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: [GJM] #14 Replies to #13 Brad Edmonds On TOP And TWP

Dear MH,

       You should read the book The Jesus Mysteries by
Gandy, and Freke which reveals that the New Testaments
stories are directly taken from  certain legends about
Dionysius, and Osiris. In other words, Jesus =
Dionysius/Osiris. It is quite incredible but it is
backed up with a large amount of scholarly evidence.

As for John Bunzl (whom I actually met) I feel you are
being somewhat unfair. He is a businessman but I am
sure he is not in the same ranks of the Richard
Bransons, and George Soross of the world. I feel you
are doing him something of an injustice by claiming
that he is part of an elite. 

Moreover, I do think your comments are as usual
somewhat naive, and unrealistic. You cannot fight the
banks, or the corporations (unless you had massive
public support which is unlikely in extremis as most
of us are too apathetic, complacent, and useless when
it comes to such vital matters) as they have to be
somehow reformed in some other way...

It does not matter whether a plutocracies exist, or
not. What matters is whether we can eradicate the
injustices of the world. The elite can remain the
elite if they are willing to go along with this. In
TFE this is possible, and more importantly there may
well be little time to change things for the good
unless we join forces in reforming the banks, and
corporations in such a way that they would themselves
benefit. More importantly, global justice, and
sustainability would be promoted at the sametime. We
need to get off our moral hobby horse, and think more
REALISTICALLY, AND YET, DIFFERENTLY..
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ End Robert ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--------- Third Forwarded message ----------
From: Martin Hattersley <hattersleyjm at interbaun.com>
To: Discussion Forum for Global Justice
<discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:20:07 -0700
Subject: Re: [GJM] #14 Replies to #13 Brad 
Edmonds On TOP And TWP

Marguerite -

I think your history and your theology are 
very much out to lunch, but otherwise, 
I agree with your sentiments.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ End Martin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--------- Fourth Forwarded message ----------
>From Muhammad Mukhtar Alam <mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com>
To: Martin Hattersley <hattersleyjm at interbaun.com>, Discussion Forum for
Global Justice <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 04:36:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [GJM] #14 Replies to #13 Brad 
Edmonds On TOP And TWP

Dear Martin, 

Greetings for peace,

I would like to request for suggest for the way out of truth in
monotheistic framework. What about suggesting reading from Quran on some
of the theological and factual issues that has been reason of war
earlier. I have been trying to communicate the need for reading from the
holy Quran for resolving the issues.

Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ End Mukhtar ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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