[GJM] Lurban Kohler on The Inner Structure of "the machine?"

[robert searle]

Dear Mr. Hattersley


         With respect, this is all explained in the
present paper if it is read properly. There are three
basic controls over inflation but ofcourse there are
OTHER aspects not explained simply because they are in
a state of research, and development. It would also
require economists, and IT experts to create the whole
programme which could also be modified during pilot
studies, and ultimately on an accepted national, and
international level. Something of this point is
actually mentioned in the present internet paper.

Moreover, let me make this abundantly clear. There is
NO reason on earth why such electronics controls are
not possible. Undoubtedly, initial trials may lead to
a few hiccups, but with further modifications it
should be possible to create a fine system.. 

Remember the present banking institution is largely
run by computers. It may be necessary to upgrade them,
and/or probably replace them with more advanced
technology...if electronic inflation controls are
introduced.....


R.Searle

 
--- Martin Hattersley <hattersleyjm at interbaun.com>
wrote:

> When it comes to Transfinancial Economics, Robert,
> I'm always hung up on one 
> thing.
> 
> What is the marvellous supercomputer program that is
> supposed to regulate it 
> all? Until I know the factors it will consider and
> how it will process them, 
> I remain a sceptic.
> 
> Martin Hattersley
> 5929 - 189 St.,
> EDMONTON AB CANADA T6M 2J1
> 
> jmartinh at shaw.ca
> e-mail: hattersleyjm at interbaun.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "robert searle" <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "Discussion Forum for Global Justice" 
> <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [GJM] Lurban Kohler on The Inner
> Structure of "the machine?"
> 
> 
> > Dear All,
> >
> >        Ofcourse, the moral ideal of a future world
> is
> > that of cooperation rather than competition. The
> aim
> > too should also be non-hierachical in terms of
> > organizational structure. To allachieve that
> requires
> > genuine funding of NGOs to spread the message far,
> and
> > wide. Admitedly, some  of this can be done with
> > little, or no capital notably over the
> internet...but
> > with more of it much more can be achieved. This is
> > where Transfinancial Economics comes into the
> picture.
> > This needs to be grasped.
> >
> > Though TFE would benefit the present competative
> > capitalist system it would also ironically do
> likewise
> > for those who oppose it. This an interesting
> feature
> > of this subject. It is neither right, or left
> wing. It
> > transcends those "opposites."
> >
> > However, we need to understand that the present
> > competative capitalist system is too well
> entrenched
> > for real change. The way forward whether we like
> it,
> > or not is to largely work WITH the banks, and
> > corporations.
> >
> >
> > This is a big subject but I do feel that opposing
> the
> > forces that be is a largely a waste of time. I
> have
> > already explained something as to how this would
> work
> > onsite (ie Positive Engagement with Banks, and
> > Corporations, and the "Trojan Horse" of
> Transfinancial
> > Economics)but more ideas need to be developed and
> > clarified in my mind.
> >
> >
> > Robert Searle
> >
>
http://kheper.net/essays/Transfinancial_Economics.html
> >
> >
> >
> > --- "Wesley S. Burt" <wesburt at juno.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello again Lurban,
> >>
> >> A warm thank you to you and Marguerite
> >> for joining the discussion and for a new
> >> subject heading which rings a bell with
> >> every one.  "The machine" conveys a sense
> >> of dealing with an automated system that
> >> performs in accord with its design, but
> >> is now operating under new conditions the
> >> designers may not have anticipated.
> >>
> >> You write below, Lurban:
> >> "Unless we can agree and act in
> >> unison, any attempts to begin change
> >> are "picked off" -nipped in the bud .. ."
> >>
> >> I agree completely, and wonder if the
> >> published data on the performance of
> >> "the machine" from 1789 to date, as
> >> presented on attached Fig 2-3e.gif, is
> >> correct, in your opinion.  I know that
> >> list Fix-Gov does not distribute
> >> attachments and John Gelles has
> >> rejected my visusl-aids.  But it seems
> >> to me that if we shared the same
> >> numerical data our readers might
> >> conclude that we are all talking about
> >> the same machine.
> >>
> >> Every time I look at that steady
> >> 3.3%/year inflation between 1980
> >> and 2003, I wonder why the two step
> >> increase in the M1 money supply did
> >> not disturb the inflation rate.
> >>
> >> My best hope for a change in the machine's
> >> performance is the notion that today's
> >> designers will change their minds, and
> >> modify the design to reverse the century
> >> old trends.  There seems to be no natural
> >> limit to those trends, except system failure.
> >>
> >> If we know how to design "alternative
> >> systems, cooperative instead of
> >> competitive, horizontal organization
> >> instead of hierarchical," it might be
> >> easier to fix the existing machine.
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Wes Burt
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> From: lurban kohler <lurbankohler at yahoo.com>
> >> To: FixGov at yahoogroups.com
> >> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:18:15 -0700 (PDT)
> >> Subject: [FixGov] "the machine?"
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~ Brief Snip ~~~~~~~~~
> >>
> >> As I see it the problem is that our way of
> >> generating
> >> currency, creating money, is an ongoing bonanza
> for
> >> the financial elite who then use a substantial
> >> amount
> >> of the "free money" to preserve the status quo.
> >> (feeding the machine even as it gets uglier and
> >> nastier)
> >>
> >> The elite, as I see it (but oversimplified,) are
> >> well
> >> compensated servants of the "machine." They've
> >> learned that success depends on not looking too
> >> closely at it--avoiding attention to certain
> things
> >> . . .
> >>
> >> So what needs to be done is change the money
> >> system in a way that stops giving a cut off the
> >> top of every effort and enterprize to the
> servants
> >> of the machine (the visible LORDS of our economy
> >> & politics).  As mentioned before, the machine
> >> has no body to die nor soul to damn. Its chief
> >> mandate is to create as much profit as possible
> >> regardless of social, environmental, etc. . . . .
> >> consequences.  Its chief goal is to perpetuate
> >> itself and grow! (same as a cancer)
> >>
> >> The MACHINE was somehow created by
> >> humanity but is not what individual humans
> >> want, or should want.  The money system is
> >> used by the Machine to gain and keep the
> >> support of humans at every level.  Humans
> >> must gain the awareness of what is enslaving
> >> us and setting our priorities --priorities which
> >> disregard consequences.
> >> . . . . . .
> >>
> >> we can talk about details and symptoms
> >> forever without getting at the fundamental
> >> problem. As long as we use money in the
> >> current way, getting it from current sources,
> >> its power over us and our choices of what
> >> to do with earth's treasures and human
> >> kind's efforts will remain the same and the
> >> destruction will continue.
> >>
> >> This seems clear enough to many, but in
> >> spite of all the ink spent describing better
> >> systems we have not articulated a plan
> >> to escape from the faulty system which
> >> has us in its thrall. We are so bound to
> >> this sytem, especially those who have
> >> any power, that escape requires drastic
> >> action. Unless we can agree and act in
> >> unison, any attempts to begin change
> 
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