[GJM] [Intertax] Taxation, and So-Called "Re-Distribution" is Out-Dated Trash Thinking.

[robert searle]

Dear Carol Wilcox,

            With respect, I do not think you really
understand. The whole, and real purpose of genuine
monetary reform is to maximise the power of money to
do good in the world. The idea of using land in such a
way is a very limited approach. More importantly, most
people are NOT interested. 

However, if you offered them a world where taxation,
and interest on loans no longer existed then you are
onto a winner. As I have indicated before it would be
possible to have the banks, and most of the
corporations on your side so that TFE becomes a
serious proposition. To defy them is simply is
pointless. Yet, ironically it could also open the door
to global justice as never before via the new
financial empowerment of certain NGOs. These  would
then become a more powerful influence in society.


Robert Searle


--- Carol Wilcox <carol.wilcox at labourland.org> wrote:

> Land value tax is not a panacea either but it is
> perfectly easy to implement
> and indeed is already being employed to a limited
> extent by many tax raising
> authorities with good effect (see Harrisburg PA,
> Denmark, Hong Kong, Sydney,
> Australia, etc).
> 
> You seem to equate capital with money. But capital
> is produced by land and
> labour.
> 
> Until we find an infinite number of equally
> hospitable and attractive
> planets, land will have a value according to its
> utility. In the meantime,
> give a cost to exclusive access to land and allow
> the free market to do what
> it does best: allocate scarce resources to best use.
> 
> LVT produces a virtuous circle where public
> infrastructure is sourced from
> land values which then increase the land value by
> more than the cost of the
> project (see Jubilee Line Extension and observe what
> is happening to land
> prices at the sites of the 2012 Olympic events).
> With LVT the beneficiaries
> are not just the landowners, as at present, who do
> nothing to earn their
> windfall gains.
> 
> Carol
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "robert searle" <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "Carol Wilcox" <carol.wilcox at labourland.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Intertax] Taxation,and So-Called
> "Re-Distribution" is
> Out-Dated Trash Thinking.
> 
> 
> >   Dear Carol,
> >
> >            Ofcourse, land, and labour (REAL
> RESOURCES)
> > are very important indeed. Without them money
> would be
> > utterly worthless. But, there has been too much
> > emphasis on the importance of limited resources
> rather
> > than mainstream capital which actually is the
> POWER
> > that CONTROLS their use, or misuse.
> >
> > Incidently, TFE is not the panacea of all social,
> > economic, and political ills. Yet, it goes one
> hell of
> > a way to solving many of them via a new and
> > revolutionary understanding of money. With greater
> > intelligence, and creativity much can be achieved
> by
> > using less in novel ways. This is essential for
> our
> > survival as a race.
> >
> >
> > Going back to land as I am sure you realize as the
> > population grows, and grows this vital resource
> would
> > diminish. What is the answer? Here, is the
> > following.....
> >
> > i)The development of new sustainable housing that
> > makes the most use of space.Ofcourse, ideas such
> as
> > this already exist in the hands of enlightened
> > architects.
> >
> > ii)The creation of artificial islands using in
> part
> > resources from the sea bed. Something like this
> has
> > been happening in Dubai where there is to be a
> special
> > community for the wealthy.
> >
> > iii) The creation of floating islands, or "ships"
> on
> > which sustainable communities could exist on. I
> > believe something like this has been, or is being
> > constructed. Unfortunately, as far as I understand
> it
> > this "project" is targeted at wealthy customers.
> >
> > iv) Sustainable underwater cities, towns, and
> villages
> > could be created.
> >
> > v) Colonization of space, and terraforming of
> planets
> > with sustainable communities.
> >
> >
> > As you can imagine much of the above requires
> massive
> > capital injections. With TFE the whole process is
> > speeded up. Yet, some of the above projects via
> the
> > present financial system would probable be unable
> to
> > fund such schemes via venture capitalism. The
> risks
> > involved would be enormous, and any compensation
> would
> > be likewise. With TFE the process is greatly eased
> > with the aid of commercial grants, subsidies, and
> > interest free loans. As soon as such enterprises
> > become self-financing, and show profit they 
> should
> > only be eligible for borrowing to bring about
> further
> > expansion.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I would also suggest you go, and see the Venus
> Project
> > founded by Jacque Fresco. He has some fascinating
> > models, and ideas for the future notably drawn
> from
> > technocracy, and transhumanism
> >
> >   www.thevenusproject.com
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Robert Searle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > v) --- Carol Wilcox <carol.wilcox at labourland.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Robert, I am amazed that someone who asks us to
> > > believe that he has the
> > > solution to all the world's ills is totally
> > > oblivious of the importance of
> > > land. In its simplest conception, the economy
> > > consists only of land and
> > > labour.
> > >
> > > Carol
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "robert searle" <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk>
> > > To: "Carol Wilcox" <carol.wilcox at labourland.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 10:59 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Intertax] Taxation,and So-Called
> > > "Re-Distribution" is
> > > Out-Dated Trash Thinking.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >      TRANSFINANCIAL ECONOMICS GOES BEYOND
> > > TAXATION,
> > > > AND RE-DISTRIBUTION, AND CAN LEAD TO GLOBAL
> > > JUSTICE.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Carol Wilcox
> > > >
> > > >         I fail to see why land has to be
> > > "...essential
> > > > for social justice...." What is far more
> important
> > > is
> > > > an advanced system of finance which
> > > > can do the following.
> > > >
> > > > i) fully finance the public sector without
> raising
> > > > taxes.
> > > >
> > > > ii) fully, or partly finance NGOs using new
> > > unearned
> > > > money to ensure that democracy flourishes, and
> > > becomes
> > > > more pervasive as never before. Moreover, this
> can
> > > > lead to poverty alleviation in a number of
> ways
> > > alot
> > > > quicker, and efficiently  than via
> redistribution
> > > of
> > > > existing financial wealth. This ofcourse would
> 
=== message truncated ===



Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com