[GJM] [Intertax] What Would YOU Really Do? 7.

Fri Nov 3 13:17:34 MST 2006

--- robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> --- Timothy Phillips
> <timothy.phillips at phillipsconsultancy.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hmmm, this dialogue is fun, but is it really going
> > anywhere?
> > The people, our relatives, who had no notions or
> > practices of private
> > property, whether land or other stuff, didn't get
> to
> > the internet first,
> > either.  By the way, did they each personally own
> > the clothes, tools and
> > weapons they each made, wore, used?  Private
> > property plus social
> > concern seems to work OK for human material
> > progress.
> > 
> > The problem with paying taxes for me, Prem, is
> that
> > I do not know the
> > person who levies them on me, nor the one who
> > collects them from me.
> > People tell me I'm rich and so deserve to be
> taxed. 
> > I say I'm
> > moderately well of because my 40 years of flipping
> > graft plus getting a
> > few decisions based on what was obviously, openly
> > going on around me a
> > bit more right than wrong.   And, from four
> decades
> > of adult experience
> > watching them at it, I find it hard to respect
> those
> > who decide what to
> > spend my and all our public money upon.  Hence,
> the
> > combination of the
> > utter power imbalance in their favour, no personal
> > nor even any real
> > institutional trust in them, coupled with plenty
> of
> > stories and personal
> > experience of their exasperatingly very wasteful
> > spending ways, plus a
> > dash of fraud and corruption, plus huge amounts
> into
> > guns of which I
> > totally disapprove, etc - all lead to a marked
> > unwillingness to part
> > other than reluctantly with my cash.  So, if they
> > make it possible to
> > avoid, I will be tempted.  I determinedly hope not
> > to fall, but this is
> > a two person dance - and they call the dance
> steps. 
> > Perhaps they could
> > try being ethical too?
> > 
> > Of course I accept the duality of the private
> goods
> > - public and common
> > goods reality, and know both parts have to be paid
> > for.  But via this
> > scabrous lot?  Not willingly.   Its not an
> economic
> > theory issue - it's
> > a political reality one, I think.  It is commonly
> > thought that they
> > don't just only want to pay for the commons - in a
> > conspiracy theory
> > kind of way it is thought that they want also to
> rip
> > off the better off,
> > out of envy, greed and spite.
> > 
> > Maybe this is somewhere near the emotional issue,
> > the fear, that TJN
> > needs to get some philosophical energy into,
> maybe,
> > to make some lasting
> > progress in the cause, as well as rightly pointing
> > out the manifest
> > abuses that the really most rich get up to,
> > globally?
> > 
> > My personal political ethic is:  Egalitarian Self
> > Reliance and Social
> > Concern, plus a loving sense of the spiritual and
> a
> > firm resolve not to
> > be ripped off and not to rip anyone off.  I'd like
> > everyone to share it
> > - just think what a nice place the world would be,
> > then...   I'll vote
> > for any group who sign up to it and practice it. 
> > New Labour in the UK
> > failed to, despite some really  promising rhetoric
> > at the start. Gordon
> > Brown looks a dodgy prospect, as do the Tories. 
> > What to do?  Create the
> > Global Tax Agency, say I - but how to keep it
> > accountable to all
> > including the rich, and fair and loving?
> > 
> > Yrs
> > Tim
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: intertax-bounces at listen.attac.de
> > [mailto:intertax-bounces at listen.attac.de] On
> Behalf
> > Of Sikka, Prem N
> > Sent: 02 November 2006 17:40
> > To: robert searle; intertax at listen.attac.de
> > Subject: Re: [Intertax] What Would really YOU do?
> > 
> > Robert,
> > I doubt if there is anything innate or genetic
> about
> > the proposition. It
> > is all learnt and socially constructed.
> > Anthropologists (Malinowski,
> > Levi-Strauss and others) have written about
> > societies which had no
> > concept of private property and some (Aboriginals)
> > had no concept of
> > ownership of land.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Prem Sikka
> > Professor of Accounting
> > Department of Accounting, Finance and Management
> > University of Essex
> > Colchester, Essex CO4 3SQ,UK
> >  
> > Tel: +44(0)1206 873773
> > Fax: +44(0)1206 873429
> > Mobile: +44(0)7866 139390
> > AABA website: http://www.aabaglobal.org
> > Tax Justice Network: http://www.taxjustice.net
> > The Tribune - The Thinking Person's Magazine:
> > http://www.tribweb.co.uk/index.htm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: intertax-bounces at listen.attac.de
> > [mailto:intertax-bounces at listen.attac.de] On
> Behalf
> > Of robert searle
> > Sent: 02 November 2006 16:16
> > To: intertax at listen.attac.de
> > Subject: [Intertax] What Would really YOU do?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Dear All,
> > 
> >          If you were a super-rich businessman, or
> > woman would you not want to keep as much of your
> > profits from taxman as possible? Is this not a
> > normal
> > instinct?
> > 
> > I do feel Intertax is very one-sided.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Robert Searle
> > 
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