[GJM] God/Allah/Elahom is only one

[Muhammad Mukhtar Alam]

Dear Robert, 
   
  It is very interesting that you have brought in some information from the history..Jewish scholars did commendable work in Muslim Spain and their works and other works were responsible for generation of lot of academic action in other parts of Europe..Many historians of sceince acknowledge this .
   
  Also the response of the Church there at that has been responsible for lots of anti-Christian and in general 'anti religious' wiritings. The thought patterns part of such writings went in for the calls for separation of church and state ..Rest is history and very much part of our problems these days..So much anti-religious press in the name of freedom and so many harking back to crusades..Even so, I call for global unity in monotheistic framework and the arguments are there..We need pious leaders, businessmen  and workers for communicating the word of Allah/God/Parameshwar with more education and more communication.
  

robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
  Dear Mukhtar,

Yes, you are right again. Terrorism has been
undertaken by Palestinians, Israelis, Spanish
serparatists, Sikh extremists, et al. It is not just
extremist "Muslims" but they do seem to be the most
active. That is the point to appreciate, and cause
enormous damage to decent followers of the Koran.

However, I see little, or no evidence of "terorism"
from Hinduism, and Buddhism though undoubtedly there
will be the odd fanatic. The reason I indicated is
that they believe in reincarnation which means that
they regard their sects as being stepping stones for
spiritual evolution through many lifetimes. In other
words, there is NO one Path, and even if there was
such a one it would not matter whether you came to it
in this birth, or in some future birth. 

Thus, fanaticism becomes meaningless in this context,
and the possibility of fundamental extremism is also
less likely to occur. Ofcourse, there will always be
the exception like Ananda Marga, or the Sikh
separatists whose terrorism has died down as far as I
know....but I am not in the habit of reading Indian
papers in English.

Genuine Islam is for peace, and indeed, a high degree
of religious tolerance essential for a civilized
society. It appears that the Jews for example have
suffered more from the Christian Church than under any
"Muslim" regime. One is reminded here that most of
them fled Spain when it became a Christian country
again in 1491. They preferred it when the Muslims were
in control.

I think we should leave this subject now as it is all
somewhat contoversial!


Regards,


R.Searle





--- Muhammad Mukhtar Alam 
wrote:

> Dear Robert, there are poltico-historical context
> for the use of words such as terrorism, insurgency,
> revolutionary, reactionary, rebellion..Muslims find
> themselves in various context and there are violent
> actions too in response to the violence..I am a
> pacifist but then I like to see the various contexts
> and not associate all actions following the commands
> of Allah.. that is open and clear for all recorded
> in Qur-an. There are contextual commands..There are
> definitions of Just war..We can only emdeavour for
> resolution of conflicts peacefully..
> 
> In short , terrorism is not only committed by
> Muslims only..therefore ,please do ot associate that
> only with followers of Islam..There are
> Maoists..There are n number of violent movements
> across the world against globalisation and then
> against injustice
> 
> Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
> 
> 
> robert searle wrote:
> Dear Mukhtar,
> 
> You are right!! The doctrine of
> reincarnation has been misused in India to a certain
> extent with the creation of the ancient caste
> system.
> At least, it is not as bad terrorism by misguided
> "muslin" fundamentalists!!! This ofcourse is total
> misinterpretation of Islam which teaches PEACE.
> Killing innocent people for whatever reason is
> unacceptable in any civlized society.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> R.Searle
> 
> 
> 
> PS. I recall reading about the earthquake in India
> sometime ago, and I was horrified to learn that much
> of the aid had been diverted to the higher caste
> people, and not the lower caste who needed it the
> most!! However, a genuine understanding
> reincarnation
> is also about the belief in grace, or mercy, and not
> just pure retributive justice. This is what the
> backward thinkers in Hinduism do not fully
> understand.
> This is a big subject on which I will not elaborate.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Muhammad Mukhtar Alam 
> wrote:
> 
> > I wished not to address these issues as I find
> them
> > appearing again and again and I find Robert you
> have
> > also not read Qur-an or Bible first hand and
> appear
> > to be holding the opinions of men and women who
> have
> > rejected the communication of Allah/God/Parmatma
> > through the messengers. My dalit friends have
> given
> > up "polytheistic Brahminism..We just concluded a
> > seminar against atrocities on dalit women . I seek
> > monotheistic framework for global unity..We cannot
> > turn all atheists..but it is logical to have faith
> > in the Creator of all that we see and
> > imagine..death..life..resuurection..The Day of
> > Judgement.
> > 
> > My friend Braj Ranjan Mani has written a book
> > called "Debrahiminsing History" and he has
> supported
> > the idea that the idea of 'reincarnation' for
> > getting a birth in higher caste was for
> perpetuating
> > birth based caste identities and previleges.. That
> > is a Pharaonic doctrine..a racist one..God/Allah/
> > Parmatma creates possibilities for all and gives
> all
> > long rope for repentance and correction..
> > 
> > Please do not get enamoured by this 'new'
> > movements with new prophets..who deny the earlier
> > ones..
> > 
> > We need to get out of the atheistic traps and seek
> > abidance to the simple' commons' and judge each
> > other on the basis of the Criterion 'meezan' of
> > piety.
> > 
> > Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > robert searle wrote:
> > Dear All,
> > 
> > 
> > I think the UNIVERSIS MOVEMENT is perhaps the
> > way forward concerning religious questions. They
> > believe in the need for uncertainty, and
> independent
> > inquiry as the basis for a new "religion" ! Quite
> > fascinating, and amusing.
> > 
> > It is also interesting to point out that we often
> > hear
> > of Islam, and less often Christianity causing some
> > sort of problem in the world, and yet we hear
> > virtually nothing about Buddhism, and
> Hinduism.Maybe
> > the reason why they are hardly fanatical at all
> > stems
> > from their belief in reincarnation. 
> > 
> > Unlike the Christians, and Muslims they do NOT
> > believe
> > in eternal damnation but instead the Creator
> > continually gives people a chance to reform
> > themselves
> > life after life until they reach a state of
> highest
> > spiritual development.Then, they are liberated
> from
> > the Wheel of Birth, and Death. Now, that is what I
> > would call REAL DIVINE LOVE. More importantly,
> > reincarnation is explanation for the injustices of
> > the
> > world.
> > 
> > In Islam there are even certain sects that believe
> > in
> > reincarnation, and it is an open question as to
> > whether it was included in its original teachings.
> > Christianity too probably believed in this
> doctrine.
> > The evidence clearly points in that direction far
> > more
> > so than Islam. I would highly recommend a book
> which
> > is very well-researched, and extremely readable. I
> > will mention it here........
> > 
> > The Jesus Mysteries by Freke, and Gandy.
> > 
> > 
> > Among other things it offers convincing evidence
> > that
> > the life of Christ is directly copied (with
> > virtually
> > no alteration)from certain mythological stories of
> > Dionysus (a Greek god), and Osiris (an Egyptian
> > deity). It is quite astonishing to see, and read
> all
> > this. It is painfully obvious that Christianity is
> a
> > heathen religion!!!!
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > 
> > R.Searle.
> > 
> > 
> > PS. I thought I might stir things up a bit!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Norman Kurland wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear Dr. Muhammad Mukhtar Alam,
> > > 
> > > Beyond our mutual agreement that God or Allah is
> > the
> > > ultimate Creator of 
> > > all that exists and the Source of all absolute
> > > values, I cannot speak 
> > > for others whose faith beyond this point differs
> > > from my personal 
> > > faith. The use of the term "patriarchy" in
> > > describing the nature of God 
> > > is not part of my personal faith. I have no way
> of
> > > knowing that God is 
> > > a male, a female of some form beyond that of a
> > human
> > > male or female. As 
> > > a believer in the sovereignety of each human
> > person
> 
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