[GJM] God/Allah/Elahom is only one

Thu Jul 13 04:39:24 MDT 2006

Dear Robert, there are poltico-historical context for the use of words such as terrorism, insurgency, revolutionary, reactionary, rebellion..Muslims find themselves in various context and there are violent actions too in response to the violence..I am a pacifist but then I like to see the various contexts and not associate all actions following the commands of Allah.. that is open and clear for all recorded in Qur-an. There are contextual commands..There are definitions of Just war..We can only emdeavour for resolution of conflicts peacefully..

  In short , terrorism is not only committed by Muslims only..therefore ,please do ot associate that only with followers of Islam..There are Maoists..There are n number of violent movements across the world against globalisation and then against injustice

  Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam

robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
  Dear Mukhtar,

You are right!! The doctrine of
reincarnation has been misused in India to a certain
extent with the creation of the ancient caste system.
At least, it is not as bad terrorism by misguided
"muslin" fundamentalists!!! This ofcourse is total
misinterpretation of Islam which teaches PEACE.
Killing innocent people for whatever reason is
unacceptable in any civlized society.

Regards,

R.Searle

PS. I recall reading about the earthquake in India
sometime ago, and I was horrified to learn that much
of the aid had been diverted to the higher caste
people, and not the lower caste who needed it the
most!! However, a genuine understanding reincarnation
is also about the belief in grace, or mercy, and not
just pure retributive justice. This is what the
backward thinkers in Hinduism do not fully understand.
This is a big subject on which I will not elaborate.

--- Muhammad Mukhtar Alam 
wrote:

> I wished not to address these issues as I find them
> appearing again and again and I find Robert you have
> also not read Qur-an or Bible first hand and appear
> to be holding the opinions of men and women who have
> rejected the communication of Allah/God/Parmatma
> through the messengers. My dalit friends have given
> up "polytheistic Brahminism..We just concluded a
> seminar against atrocities on dalit women . I seek
> monotheistic framework for global unity..We cannot
> turn all atheists..but it is logical to have faith
> in the Creator of all that we see and
> imagine..death..life..resuurection..The Day of
> Judgement.
> 
> My friend Braj Ranjan Mani has written a book
> called "Debrahiminsing History" and he has supported
> the idea that the idea of 'reincarnation' for
> getting a birth in higher caste was for perpetuating
> birth based caste identities and previleges.. That
> is a Pharaonic doctrine..a racist one..God/Allah/
> Parmatma creates possibilities for all and gives all
> long rope for repentance and correction..
> 
> Please do not get enamoured by this 'new'
> movements with new prophets..who deny the earlier
> ones..
> 
> We need to get out of the atheistic traps and seek
> abidance to the simple' commons' and judge each
> other on the basis of the Criterion 'meezan' of
> piety.
> 
> Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
> 
> 
> 
> robert searle wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> 
> I think the UNIVERSIS MOVEMENT is perhaps the
> way forward concerning religious questions. They
> believe in the need for uncertainty, and independent
> inquiry as the basis for a new "religion" ! Quite
> fascinating, and amusing.
> 
> It is also interesting to point out that we often
> hear
> of Islam, and less often Christianity causing some
> sort of problem in the world, and yet we hear
> virtually nothing about Buddhism, and Hinduism.Maybe
> the reason why they are hardly fanatical at all
> stems
> from their belief in reincarnation. 
> 
> Unlike the Christians, and Muslims they do NOT
> believe
> in eternal damnation but instead the Creator
> continually gives people a chance to reform
> themselves
> life after life until they reach a state of highest
> spiritual development.Then, they are liberated from
> the Wheel of Birth, and Death. Now, that is what I
> would call REAL DIVINE LOVE. More importantly,
> reincarnation is explanation for the injustices of
> the
> world.
> 
> In Islam there are even certain sects that believe
> in
> reincarnation, and it is an open question as to
> whether it was included in its original teachings.
> Christianity too probably believed in this doctrine.
> The evidence clearly points in that direction far
> more
> so than Islam. I would highly recommend a book which
> is very well-researched, and extremely readable. I
> will mention it here........
> 
> The Jesus Mysteries by Freke, and Gandy.
> 
> 
> Among other things it offers convincing evidence
> that
> the life of Christ is directly copied (with
> virtually
> no alteration)from certain mythological stories of
> Dionysus (a Greek god), and Osiris (an Egyptian
> deity). It is quite astonishing to see, and read all
> this. It is painfully obvious that Christianity is a
> heathen religion!!!!
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> R.Searle.
> 
> 
> PS. I thought I might stir things up a bit!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Norman Kurland wrote:
> 
> > Dear Dr. Muhammad Mukhtar Alam,
> > 
> > Beyond our mutual agreement that God or Allah is
> the
> > ultimate Creator of 
> > all that exists and the Source of all absolute
> > values, I cannot speak 
> > for others whose faith beyond this point differs
> > from my personal 
> > faith. The use of the term "patriarchy" in
> > describing the nature of God 
> > is not part of my personal faith. I have no way of
> > knowing that God is 
> > a male, a female of some form beyond that of a
> human
> > male or female. As 
> > a believer in the sovereignety of each human
> person
> > under the ultimate 
> > sovereignty of God, I personally reject any notion
> > of male dominance 
> > over females or female dominance (i.e. matriarchy)
> > over males. So I 
> > have no way of understanding your point of
> > "patriarchy" as a "conceptual 
> > target" or any relevance of the concept "in
> > polytheistic narratives." 
> > Hence, I cannot give you my views on a question I
> > don't really 
> > understand. For whatever value it might be to you,
> > the essence of my 
> > personal religious and spiritual beliefs is
> > contained in the following 
> > "core values" of our interfaith Center for
> Economic
> > and Social Justice:
> > 
> > Successful organizations start with people
> > firmly committed to a set
> > of core values, which cannot be compromised
> > without weakening the
> > organization. CESJ's strength, unity and
> > programs flow from our
> > founding principles, agreed upon by consensus
> > from our first meeting
> > on April 7, 1984. Our core values were developed
> > to guide us in our
> > work, to attract others sharing these values and
> > to serve as the
> > very basis of CESJ's existence.
> > 
> > We think that our core values, once understood,
> > are universally
> > appealing. We see this reflected in the broad
> > diversity of the
> > backgrounds of those who come together because
> > of these shared
> > values. The essence of our founding principles
> > has not changed from
> > the founding of CESJ. But, as we discuss them
> > together and with
> > others, we will continue to refine and clarify
> > our values by consensus.
> > 
> > The following are CESJ's core values:
> > - - - - - -
> > There is a Source of all creation and of all
> > universal and absolute
> > values such as Truth, Love and Justice, which
> > represent the ultimate
> > ends of human actions. Many people call this
> > Source, God.
> > - - - - - -
> > Nothing should stand between God and the human
> > person.
> > - - - - - -
> > There is a hierarchy of human work: The highest
> > form of work is
> > perfecting the social order to elevate each
> > person in his or her
> > relationship to God. The lowest but most urgent
> > form of work is for
> > sheer personal survival.
> > - - - - - -
> > In interacting with nature to promote one's own
> > perfection, every
> > person must respect the rest of creation. Each
> > human being, a
> > steward of nature, remains responsible for
> > conserving natural forms
> > of existence, each of which is interdependent
> > and shares the same
> > divine origin with humanity.
> > - - - - - -
> > Under the ultimate sovereignty of God, all
> 
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