[GJM] God/Allah/Elahom is only one

[robert searle]

Dear All,


        I think the UNIVERSIS MOVEMENT is perhaps the
way forward concerning religious questions. They
believe in the need for uncertainty, and independent
inquiry as the basis for a new "religion" ! Quite
fascinating, and amusing.

It is also interesting to point out that we often hear
of Islam, and less often Christianity causing some
sort of problem in the world, and yet we hear
virtually nothing  about Buddhism, and Hinduism.Maybe
the reason why they are hardly fanatical at all stems
from their belief in reincarnation. 

Unlike the Christians, and Muslims they do NOT believe
in eternal damnation but instead the Creator
continually gives people a chance to reform themselves
life after life until they reach a state of highest
spiritual development.Then, they are liberated from
the Wheel of Birth, and Death. Now, that is what I
would call REAL DIVINE LOVE. More importantly,
reincarnation is explanation for the injustices of the
world.

In Islam there are even certain sects that believe in
reincarnation, and it is an open question as to
whether it was included in its original teachings.
Christianity too probably believed in this doctrine.
The evidence clearly points in that direction far more
so than Islam. I would highly recommend a book which
is very well-researched, and extremely readable. I
will mention it here........

         The Jesus Mysteries by Freke, and Gandy.


Among other things it offers convincing evidence that
the life of Christ is directly copied (with virtually
no alteration)from certain  mythological stories of
Dionysus (a Greek god), and Osiris (an Egyptian
deity). It is quite astonishing to see, and read all
this. It is painfully obvious that Christianity is a
heathen religion!!!!


Regards,


R.Searle.


PS. I thought I might stir things up a bit!




--- Norman Kurland <thirdway at cesj.org> wrote:

> Dear Dr. Muhammad Mukhtar Alam,
> 
> Beyond our mutual agreement that God or Allah is the
> ultimate Creator of 
> all that exists and the Source of all absolute
> values, I cannot speak 
> for others whose faith beyond this point differs
> from my personal 
> faith.  The use of the term "patriarchy" in
> describing the nature of God 
> is not part of my personal faith.  I have no way of
> knowing that God is 
> a male, a female of some form beyond that of a human
> male or female.  As 
> a believer in the sovereignety of each human person
> under the ultimate 
> sovereignty of God, I personally reject any notion
> of male dominance 
> over females or female dominance (i.e. matriarchy)
> over males.  So I 
> have no way of understanding your point of
> "patriarchy" as a "conceptual 
> target" or any relevance of the concept "in
> polytheistic narratives."  
> Hence, I cannot give you my views on a question I
> don't really 
> understand.  For whatever value it might be to you,
> the essence of my 
> personal religious and spiritual beliefs is
> contained in the following 
> "core values" of our interfaith Center for Economic
> and Social Justice:
> 
>     Successful organizations start with people
> firmly committed to a set
>     of core values, which cannot be compromised
> without weakening the
>     organization. CESJ's strength, unity and
> programs flow from our
>     founding principles, agreed upon by consensus
> from our first meeting
>     on April 7, 1984. Our core values were developed
> to guide us in our
>     work, to attract others sharing these values and
> to serve as the
>     very basis of CESJ's existence.
> 
>     We think that our core values, once understood,
> are universally
>     appealing. We see this reflected in the broad
> diversity of the
>     backgrounds of those who come together because
> of these shared
>     values. The essence of our founding principles
> has not changed from
>     the founding of CESJ. But, as we discuss them
> together and with
>     others, we will continue to refine and clarify
> our values by consensus.
> 
>     The following are CESJ's core values:
>     - - - - - -
>     There is a Source of all creation and of all
> universal and absolute
>     values such as Truth, Love and Justice, which
> represent the ultimate
>     ends of human actions. Many people call this
> Source, God.
>     - - - - - -
>     Nothing should stand between God and the human
> person.
>     - - - - - -
>     There is a hierarchy of human work: The highest
> form of work is
>     perfecting the social order to elevate each
> person in his or her
>     relationship to God. The lowest but most urgent
> form of work is for
>     sheer personal survival.
>     - - - - - -
>     In interacting with nature to promote one's own
> perfection, every
>     person must respect the rest of creation. Each
> human being, a
>     steward of nature, remains responsible for
> conserving natural forms
>     of existence, each of which is interdependent
> and shares the same
>     divine origin with humanity.
>     - - - - - -
>     Under the ultimate sovereignty of God, all
> sovereignty begins with
>     the human person--not social institutions
> including the family, the
>     State, organized religion, the business
> corporation, the labor
>     union, or academia.
>     - - - - - -
>     The essential means to achieve the sovereignty
> of the person include
>     such inalienable human rights as the right to
> life, liberty, and
>     access to productive property and free markets,
> equality of
>     opportunity, and the secret ballot. These
> rights--including the
>     rights of property--are not ultimate ends in
> themselves, but they
>     are intermediate ends or fundamental means to
> enable each person to
>     pursue Truth, Love and Justice.
>     - - - - - -
>     People create tools, shaped from the resources
> and energies of
>     nature, to support the economic and social
> sovereignty of the
>     person. Through private property ownership, each
> person can become
>     master of the technology needed to realize his
> or her fullest human
>     potential and dignity.
>     - - - - - -
>     People also create and maintain social
> institutions as highly
>     specialized "invisible tools" designed to serve
> highly specialized
>     social functions within a just social order.
> Institutions, as
>     organized expressions of society's values and
> goals, largely
>     determine the quality of each person's
> individual and social life.
>     As historical creations of humanity carrying
> within themselves the
>     wounds of history, institutions are continually
> in need of healing
>     and perfecting.
>     - - - - - -
>     The highest responsibility of each person is to
> pursue absolute
>     values and to promote economic and social
> justice in his or her
>     personal life and all associations with others.
> 
> I hope this will be helpful in our common search for
> a more just world 
> for all.
> 
> Peace, only through Justice,
> Norm Kurland
> www.cesj.org
> www.globaljusticemovement.org
> www.americanrevolutionaryparty.us
> 
> Muhammad Mukhtar Alam wrote:
> 
> > Dear Norm,
> >  
> > I would like to seek your views on Charles note as
> I wrote in response 
> > to his note to which Premilla responded .How do
> you understand 
> > 'patriarchy' that has been noted to be a
> conceptual target. I 
> > recognise the relevance of 'patriarchy' in
> polytheistic narratives.
> >  
> > Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
> > Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
> >
> > way at cesj.org> wrote:
> >
> >     Dear Premilla Dixit,
> >
> >     Your views are compatible with those of the
> members of our
> >     interfaith Center for Economic and Social
> Justice. 
> >     http://www.cesj.org/about/aboutcesj.htm.
> >
> >     Norm Kurland
> >
> >     premilla dixit wrote:
> >
> >>     Dear Friends,
> >>     I have also been following these postings
> with interest and
> >>     concern. I am usually a silent participant on
> this list serve,
> >>     learning much from the shared intelligence.
> However, Muhammad
> >>     Mukhtar Alam's frequent insistence on Prayers
> five time a day,
> >>     and other such religious norms has finally
> pressed me to respond.
> >>
> >>     As we are all certainly aware many very wise
> human beings live
> >>     well within a sustainable ecological
> footprint without resort to
> >>     any religion or formal prayers five times a
> day 
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