[GJM] Faith based commons for World Unity and Democratic GlobalGovernance (Norman Kurland)
Martin Hattersley
hattersleyjm at interbaun.com
Thu Jul 6 16:18:18 MDT 2006
Another rather good book on the subject is "The End of Faith" by Sam
Harris.
Martin Hattersley
1970-10123-99 St. Edmonton AB Canada
Phone (780)423-4081; Fax (780)425-5247
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From: "marguerite hampton" <ecopilgrim at aabol.com>
To: <discussion at globaljusticemovement.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [GJM] Faith based commons for World Unity and Democratic
GlobalGovernance (Norman Kurland)
> Comment from marguerite on the above subject added to the
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>>From what I am learning in conducting research for "The Sacred
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> Quest" I do believe that the "new science in all of its dimensions,
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> really "multi-dimensional science",is changing the basis for religious
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> beliefs. Especially in the realm of the biology of consciousness.
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> While the Ancient Ones fairly accurately intuited the essence or
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> spirit of consciousness, since they did not have at that time the
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> sophisticated instruments available today with which to measure
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> the subtle energy fields which make up the bioelectro-magnetic
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> energy field which constitutes the human body and gives it life,
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> mythology was the means through which spirit was interpreted.
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> These new relevations are as jarring to those of "faith-based"
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> religions as was the news that the earth was not flat but round. But
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> just as society emerged from those times, we will get through these
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> times and take "another leap in consciousness" though the debates
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> will rage on for some time. What we must keep in mind is that among
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> the Ancient Ones were those who were as greedy as some today
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> who feel they should rightly be "emperors". And the "emperors" of
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> those times wrote scripts and created documents to further their own
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> ends which many times were not in the best interests of all concerned
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> just as is happening today.. In so-doing, they created a "collective
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> consciousness" into which fortunately not all have been ensnared
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> today. The communications technology offered by the computer and
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> the Internet enable us in more quickly dissolving the borders that
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> separate us whether they be of the mind or a physcial creation.
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> One of the most significant books to emerge out of this transitional
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> phase in human history is "The Universe in An Atom" written by the
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> Dalai Lama. In it, Buddhism is compared to quantum physics with
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> the Dalai Lama remarking that if there is anything contrary to Buddhism
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> found in science, then science must prevail.
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> The new world of reality appears to be significantly based on human
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> biology and we are referring to "organic organizations which work
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> together cooperatively to form a whole" as the way to structure or
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> self-organize ourselves.
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> In our emergence as "wholes" it does not appear there is any place
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> for "private ownership of property" as this can only be created by
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> setting up *artificial boundaries* which have no place in a healthy
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> cooperative system. To deviate from that which is natural and
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> create the artificial which exists only as a concept in one's mind
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> is to take the road toward aberrancy and create the pathology of
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> dissociation from which most of society suffers today.
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> For an in depth understanding on this, may I suggest reading
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> Ken Wilber's "No Boundaries". Wilber is the author of 18 books
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> related to human consciousness.
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> When all is said and done we will find 6 billion plus Gods who make
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> up the Universal Mind or 6 billion plus mini-computers which feed into
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> a supercomputer by the name of God, Allah, or the Universal Mind -- take
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> your choice. And which form a *feedback loop* via which All become
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> *Co-creators* of the Universe.
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> Further suggested reading is:
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> The Biology of Belief - Dr. Bruce Lipton - a cellular biologist and
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> The Dance of Life - Dr. V. Vernon Woolf - a transformational psychologist
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> Molecules of Emotion - Dr. Candace Pert - a biologist and researcher
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> Infinite Mind - Dr. Valerie V. Hunt - a physiobiologist and psychologist
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> The Biology of Transcendence - John Chilton Pearce - scientific researcher
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> Transforming Human Culture - Dr. Jay Earley - a transformational
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> Ageless Body Timeless Mind - Dr. Deepak Chopra - a medical doctor and
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> The Field by Lynne McTaggart - a researcher
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> While I have not as yet read it, David C. Korten, author
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> of "The Post-Corporate World" has a new book out
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> entitled: "The Great Turning" which I am extremely
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> anxious to read. Korten's book the Post-Corporate
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> World was inspired by biologist Mae-Wan Ho whom
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> Korten accidentally met on an airline flight. There are
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> many papers available on the Internet by Dr. Ho relative
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> to all are worthwhile exploring.
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> Norman Kurland wrote in part, adding to the following messages:
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> Dear Muhammad Mukhtar Alam,
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> I agree. Those who want to heal the world must be able to unite with
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> others on universal moral values, irrespective of their particular faith
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> or set of spiritual beliefs. Here are those of CESJ that you may wish
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> to consider:
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> CESJ's
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> Core Values Amended April 22, 2006
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> Muhammad Mukhtar Alam wrote:
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>> Dear Ashok,
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>> Greetings for peace ,
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>> Considering information gaps on the revealed texts including Qur'an we
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>> tend to get into atheistic evoluationist narration and then seek
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>> empirical evidences that are replicable for the messengers . Even if
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>> we get the findings of the scientists who thought they will get
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>> replicable evidences for the creation of the communications from the
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>> messengers , we may have many who will differ. There are verses in
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>> Qur'an suggesting that if the rejectors of the communications were
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>> offered a stair to the heaven, they would not believe as the guidance
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>> is from Allah only.
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>> Thus the idea of replicable revealatory experience is false .Muslims
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>> believe that Prophet Muhammad was the last messenger. I think we need
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>> to get united on the commons in the texts for those matters that are
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>> decided. We have lots of space for investigations in the matter.There
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>> is a need to get beyond the anti-Christian writings and eliminate the
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>> impact of "Galilio" syndrome. This is a term that I use for all the
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>> expressions that are inspired by anti-Christian authors who denounced
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>> all the communications from the Church in Europe while what they
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>> wanted was to expose some of the anti-Christian deeds of those who
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>> spoke and judged based on the some of the ideas that not true and that
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>> was explained in the Holy Qur'an.
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>> I would like to suggest faith based commons to be established for
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>> global governance and I believe it is the monotheistic framework that
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>> can unite us all. Indeed, prophets were sent to all people and
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>> communications of God were in all languages.
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>> With best wishes and regards
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>> Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
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>> ~Ashok <lama1126in at yahoo.co.in> wrote:
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>> Friends:
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>> Basic teachings of all Revealed Religions are same. The
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>> revelations were
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>> offered to humanity through saints and prophets to help human race
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>> ascend
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>> the path of evolution.
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>> Nothing is more important today to forge a unity of religions and
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>> faiths
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>> because they all point to one direction. Before we can make this a
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>> practical reality, a quick update on the empirical verification of te
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>> religious Truths is necessary. During past few decades some earnest
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>> souls have remained occupied in this work and spent their life times
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>> in Research - OBE, Astral, Inspiraion and development of Divine
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>> attributes in some human being - who progressed along the lines of
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>> revealed scriptures but the results of their research seem to have
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>> been either supressed or reported in biased manner from the
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>> corridoors of science.
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>> Ashok
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>> Muhammad Mukhtar Alam <mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> Dear Martin,
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>> I would say yes to all and assuredly pious Christians,
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>> Muslims, Jews ..all followers of the communications of God/
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>> Allah/Elahom through the messengers can unite i seeking inter
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>> faith unity. I am sure you have read all in Qur'an and I have
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>> read all in Bible..There are few differences in details ..but
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>> we can assuredly count on the commons and seek governance
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>> defined for them. I have established throuhg my dissertation
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>> that it is not only for the fear of Hell that we have to abide
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>> by the command for ecological safety, personal health.. I will
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>> appreciate if you could see the conceptual organisation at
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>> http://muhammad_mukhtar_alam.tigblog.org
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>> <http://muhammad_mukhtar_alam.tigblog.org/>
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>> There are commands against usury in the Sanskrit texts and I
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>> consider them part of the affirmations of the monotheistic
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>> narrations. Indeed, there are faith based commons for global
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>> unity world unity..
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>> Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
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>> Martin Hattersley <hattersleyjm at interbaun.com> wrote:
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>> Mukhtar -
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>> Since there is quite some divergence in articles of faith
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>> between Jewish,
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>> Muslim and Christian religions - let alone Buddhism,
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>> Hinduism etc. etc., it
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>> seems we have to find some "Lowest Common Denominator"
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>> that all can accept.
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>> Would the Ten Commandments (or at least items 5 to 9 of
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>> the 10) be a
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>> beginning? That would be prohibiting murder, theft,
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>> adultery and false
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>> witness, and enjoining care for the aged and infirm.
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>> Martin Hattersley
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>> 1970-10123-99 St.,
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>> EDMONTON AB CANADA
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>> Phone (780)423-4081;Fax(780)425-5247
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>> e-mail: hattersleyjm at interbaun.com
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>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> From: "Muhammad Mukhtar Alam"
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>> To: ; "Discussion Forum for Global
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>> Justice"
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>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 11:46 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [GJM] Fwd: 1st Virtual Congress starts tomorrow
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>> > Dear Yaseen,
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>> > I am trying the get democratic consensus for the
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>> adoption of faith based
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>> > measures that derive from abidance to the commands.
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>> Different diagnostic
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>> > narrations are listed in my conceptual organisation
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>> posted at
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>> > http://muhammad_mukhtar_alam.tigblog.org
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>> > It is important to seek consensus for practice and
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>> collaboration in
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>> > monotheitic framework..Atheistic and polytheistic
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>> framework are proving
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>> > ecologically and socially hostile..
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>> > With best prayers for temporal and eternal wellbeing
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>> > Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
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>> > Yaseen wrote:
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>> > Dear All,
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>> > Thank you for forwarding me the invitation to the 1st
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>> Virtual Congress
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>> > which promises to be an interesting contribution on
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>> multidisciplinary
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>> > holistic global thinking. Anything which assists us from
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>> thinking out of
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>> > the boax and breaking out of the existing unsustainable
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>> paradigm is
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>> > welcome and should be supported. We need to start
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>> developing what I refer
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>> > to as,
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>> > Communities of Collaboration. You are also welcome to
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>> comment on what we
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>> > are planning in terms of a mobile political festival
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>> which are on the
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>> > minutes sections. Also it is important to have the right
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>> the diagnosis of
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>> > the problems facing mankind otherwise the solutions
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>> proposed will be
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>> > inefectual and a waste of resoucres. Our analogy is like
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>> the blind men and
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>> > the elephant and time is not on our side.
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>> > Best Wishes
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>> > Moeen Yaseen MA.PGCE
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>> > Managing Director
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>> > Global Vision 2000
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>> > www.gv2000.com
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>> >>
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