[GJM] Islamic Consciousness for transforming consumption pattern addressing ecolgical challenges

Sat Aug 26 04:08:20 MDT 2006

Dear Robert,

  There are understandings on holodynamics invoking wave and particle characteristis..I just wondered on the implications at nano level..subatomic level transformations and the related dynamics..it is very much a reality as much as nanobots with robots are a envisioned reality..Nanodynamics is my coinage for expressing the dynamic interactions at subatomic level..nano levels. It is correct Marguerite did not mention it..

  My major point on the inputs with knowledge on holodynamics, chakra is for addressign the critical hurdles that we have with reference to key goals of GJM..

  You are correct all Muslims are not practicing Muslims and similarly all Christians are not practising Muslim..I seek globalisation of the practice of the commands of Allah..

  Sufism does not mean restraining oneself from the commands..I brother in law is a Sufi and I visit all the graves of Sufi as I visit all the graves sending my salutation of peace..I do not quite agree that only Arabic names are Islamic names as communications of the messengers have been in languages..In Indonesia, Muslims have Sankrit name..For me , language is just a medium/vehicle for communication of the message..

  I do not haev regards for scientists who start with no-belief in matters that are decided. I do have regards for scientists who are concerned with improving the lot of humanity.

  With best regards

  Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam

robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
          Dear  Muhammad Muktar Alam,

                 I have to confess that I do find your communications somewhat difficult to comprehend at times, and this seems to be no exception. I think I know what you are trying to say, but I do feel you should pay greater respect to scientists who try, and take a more radical view about conciousness, and spirituality. There is more to it all than just the Koran!!!! 

  You make the point that billions of people are Muslim. But are they largely Muslim in name only? How many really pratice the teaching? Numbers mean nothing. It is like Christianity. How many Christians are really following the Bible? Most, probably do not which is quite understandable considering the history of the Church, and many other related things of a questionable theological nature.

  As for myself, I am more interested in Sufism than mainstream orthodox Islam. My Muslim name Sayeed was given to me by a sect at an initiation ceremony.

  I am not quite sure how nanotechnology fits into  the picture. I cannot recall whether Marguerite Hampton brought this up in her draft.

  R.Searle

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From: Muhammad Mukhtar Alam <mukhtaralam2000 at yahoo.com>
To: robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk>
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Sent: Saturday, 26 August, 2006 6:27:08 AM
Subject: Re: [GJM] Islamic Consciousness for transforming consumption pattern addressing ecolgical challenges

  Dear Robert,

  I have presented the concerns for the an operational programme for faith groups.I beleive for Muslims..these terms have only information value and that also emanating from men and women who have no regards to the communications of Allah..in these matters..

  Having said so, I do not intend to dismiss the work of nanotechnologists..I am sure there are formulations on nanodynamics..all that is in motion has an explainations and all that is static has an explaination.

  For GJM, I think the key concerns are with reference to hurdles that are coming in the way for getting the commonagreed transformation that is in conformity with the communications of Allah..The conclusions have been also reached through secular analysis..I would like Marguerite to concentrate on these hurdles...

  Hololdynamic consciousness, nano/micro/macro dynamic consciousness are just description for different span of attention...That is possible with the recitation and reading from the holy Book .I read Qur'an daily..I have gone through the work of Dana Zohar..and I come across several men and women who wish to follow some men and women who start with subverting the communications of Allah// and then start theorising on issues that are well explained..Allah says the best knowledge is that of Quran in the matters that are dealth with clearly...

  Marguerite, please try the Islamic consciousness with prayer to Allah..I would like to request you to seek a moratorarium for a while..This is important for dealing with Billions of men and women who beleive in the word of Allah..People you cite may be relevant only for those who are searching for knowledge from atheists who are themselves wandering ..and they can not ever have a consensus in atheistic and polytheistic narrative..

  Adopt prayer 5 times a day now
  donate for poor
  believe in the oneness of God,humanity
  judge with the criterion of Allah..the Creator of all universes

  Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
  http://muhammad_mukhtar_alam.tigblog.org
  Delhi

robert searle <dharao4 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
  Dear Marguerite,

Your draft seemed interesting but I think a
short summary of Holodynamics would be far more useful
than another book. No doubt you have come across
wikipedia, and there is no entry to the subject
concerned as far as I can see. Why not write one? 

One of the most difficult things in writing is trying
to produce something in the least number of words, and
yet, fully explain at the same time any subject
CONCISELY, AND CLEARLY. In other words, a Wiki entry
ofcourse would be "holistic", and informative with the
most important aspects of Holodynamics that would take
little or no time to UNDERSTAND.

Most people are not really interested or have the
time ofcourse. But perhaps they would be if you
reduced your comprehension of Holodynamics (including
a simple clear explanation of all key terms) to small
"bits" of vital data..... otherwise just rambling
on...and on....and on.. and on without REALLY
explaining the subject as a whole is not going to
take anyone far..

Do the right thing, and present a Wiki like entry
here, and at Wiki...but it may prove harder than you
think.I know I have been there myself!! It can be
difficult not to ramble on...and on...and on......

R.Searle

--- Muhammad Mukhtar Alam 
wrote:

> Dear Marguerite ,
> 
> I would like to request you to consider the
> following:
> 
> 
> Impact of prayer 5 times a day on the development
> of the' consciousness' that ensure social equity and
> ecological safety 
> Assessement of the communities of practice and
> the ecological implications 
> ecological footprints for different communities
> of practice 
> atheistic socio-cultural and political
> narratives/visions and ecological implications with
> reference to both atheistic communism and atheistic
> neo-liberalism 
> Polytheistic practices and social and ecological
> implications 
> Monotheistic practices and implications for
> social equity, personal integrity and ecological
> safety.. 
> A programme for change with reference to all the
> above as different communities require different
> inputs..we have Muslims, atheists, Christians,
> Budhists, Hindus,Sikhs,Jains, Zorastrians, Bon and
> other religious groups 
> Please consider reading the conceptual
> organisation posted in the year 2001 at
> http://muhammad_mukhtar_alam.tigblog.org
> 
> With best wishes and regards
> 
> 
> Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
> 
> marguerite hampton wrote:
> 
> Dear Friends and Associates, 
> 
> As promised in previous discussion with Robert
> Searle, I am
> publishing for the benefit of this list and a few
> other people, 
> mainly the researchers whose work I am quoting, a
> draft portion of 
> The Sacred Quest for the Biology of Human
> Consciousness. 
> 
> I have chosen this particular section in hopes of
> engendering 
> greater understanding as to why, as both
> individuals and cultures,
> we see things so differently. And, to bring about
> greater awareness
> as to how we may overcome this through greater
> understanding
> as to what reality is, and how we can change our
> state of 
> consciousness, both as individuals and as a
> collective society . 
> 
> Since this is Draft No. 1 and will go through
> several revisions, it
> will be greatly expanded in its final form. 
> Therefore, I do request
> that this version not be circulated beyond this
> list. However, questions,
> comments, suggestions and any corrections are most
> welcome. 
> 
> For many years I have been familiar with the work
> of Dr.V. Vernon
> Woolf; therefore, I use it profusely as a basis
> upon which to build 
> further insights and expand knowledge into the
> unlimited dimensions 
> of consciousness available. I try to accomplish
> this by integrating 
> the knowledge of as many other researchers as I am
> able to uncover 
> into the basis he has already built for a
> Holodynamic or multidimensional 
> viewpoint. 
> 
> As Dr. Woolf, himself has stated, this is a new
> field of science and 
> we are only at the beginning of our exploration --
> but the view from 
> here is magnificent and promises to become more
> so. Let us join
> together in co-creating this magnificence in the
> real world and bringing 
> peace and abundance to our earth. 
> 
> with love and in peace, 
> marguerite . . 
> . . . 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> THE TRIUNE CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE HUMAN MIND. 
> 
> The Implicate Order of Consciousness
> 
> Living as we do in between bigness and
> smallness, age and time,
> space and hyperspace, one of the first indications
> of enfolded dimensions of
> consciousness comes from quantum physics. David
> Bohm was the first to
> conceive of the concept that everything emerges in
> life in an implicate
> order. A study of quantum physics indicates that
> life does emerge according
> to a built-in order..
> 
> The growth of plants can be simulated in a
> computer according to the
> mathematics of growth patterns and emerge almost
> exactly as they do in
> physical reality with molecular form, i.e., atoms,
> protein strings and so
> forth, according to a preconceived order. (Woolf
> 2004)
> 
> In Holodynamics (1997) Woolf outlines
> how this implicate order
> reflects itself as differing levels of
> development for human beings. This
> information arose from the science of
> developmental psychology and from the
> patterns evident in different schools of thought,
> e.g., medicine, education,
> religion and philosophy. Research tends to verify
> that human development
> goes through six basic stages as each person
> develops stage by stage from
> childhood into a mature adult person with a sense
> of moral values and a
> comprehensive, universal perspective.
> 
> Stages of development appear to be
> linked to brain wave activity. 
> As noted by cellular biologist, Dr. Bruce Lipton, 
> in The Biology of Belief,
> researchers have noted that EEG activity in
> children reveals, at every
> development stage, the predominance of a specific
> brain wave. 
> 
> For instance, between birth and two years of age,
> the human brain 
> predominantly operates at the lowest EEG
> frequency, 0,5 to 4 cycles 
> per second (Hz) known as Delta waves. Though
> Delta is their predominant 
> wave activity, babies can exhibit periodic short
> bursts of higher EEG activity. 
> A child begins to spend more time at an EEG
> activity characterized as 
> Theta (4 8 Hz) between two and six years of age.
> Hypnotherapists drop 
> their patients brain activity into Delta and
> Theta because these low frequency
> brain waves put them into a more suggestible,
> programmable state. 
> 
> The brain is amazingly adaptable, and
> capable of learning. It
> can also learn to improve its own performance, if
> only it is given cues
> about what to change. By making information
> available to the brain about how
> it is functioning, and asking it to make
> adjustments, it can do so. When the
> mature brain is doing a good job of regulating
> itself, and the person is
> alert and attentive, the brain waves (EEG) show a
> particular pattern. 
> 
> In fact, research by Dr. Valerie V.
> Hunt, holding advanced degrees
> in both physiobiology and psychology from Columbia
> University, and having
> taught in these fields at Columbia, UCLA, and the
> U. of Omaha, has been the
> first to reveal evidence of individual signatory
> energy fields as measured in
> specially- built rooms, using advanced
> instrumentation to measure heretofore
> subtle vibrational energies of the human body
> considered to be unmeasurable.
> These studies go far beyond what the EEG can
> measure. . 
> 
> The p-brane analogy, as put forth by
> Paul Townsend, can be helpful 
> when this model of the Six Stages of Development 
> is imposed over each stage 
> 
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