[GJM] The Art Of Nation Building, Rediscovered.

[Muhammad Mukhtar Alam]

Jews as the followers of Moses and all the other messengers noted in Quran were Muslims and Muslims are not a race..
   
  Communications of the Moses was not only for the people of Israel. for the whole humanity..communication of Muhammad , the lst messengers is for the whole humanity...Jews thinking of Moses as one special to a race are mistaken greiviously.
   
  I am not an Arab even though my name is Arabic..
   
  Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam

wesburt at juno.com wrote:
            On 20 Aug 2006, Hugh Steadman writes to list worldcit at googlegroups.com, in part:
  Dear Wolfgang,
 
"The best thing on the one state solution is Virginia Tilley's book of that name. I have heard that the web site, which you have referred us to, belongs to an organisation that is no longer active. I hope I am mistaken in this. However, the problem with the one state solution, which I get the impression, is acceptable to the majority of Palestinian 
intellectuals (and thus only a relatively short journey away from being acceptable to the Palestinian street) is that, as things stand, it is totally unacceptable to the vast majority of Israelis. The latter are still devoted to the concept of an ethnic safe haven. When they say "we have no negotiating partner" what they mean is that they have no one to 
negotiate with from the Palestinian side, who wholeheartedly embraces the Zionist vision of Eretz Israel - an expanded Israeli territory in which the majority always has to remain Jewish in both theology and race. As I said earlier, the historic reasons for this are clear and provide justification against which we , who never suffered that awful experience, are not well placed to argue.
 
As thing stand, there is no way that the rump of territory the Israelis have left to the Palestinians, could ever become a viable national state - and there are still a few bits more that they plan to take. The two state solution is unworkable and therefore, short of total ethnic cleansing, the single secular state is the only remaining option."
 ~~~~~~~~~~~ End excerpt from Hugh ~~~~~~~~~~~

  The organization may be no longer active, but the web site FAQs reflect more common sense than we hear in the US.
  Here is FAQ #4, from <http://one-democratic-state.org/>:

  FAQ #4- Could Jewish economical strength be a threat for the Palestinians? 
   
  The responsibility for an egalitarian and prosperous economic system lies in the hands of the writers of the Constitution. But what we can say for now is that, until 1947, Jews, Muslims and Christians have been working together both as colleagues in business and enterprises, and as workers.  
  
When one looks at society in terms of classes, Jews, Muslims and Christians have things in common. Therefore, a form of social democracy in addition to the political democracy could enable equality in economy.  Moreover, the one State should be a major economic asset for all communities. Promising inter-ethnic business opportunities will become widely available in this scenario. The citizens of the new State will be able to open up new market and trade relations with the entire Middle East, which is mostly Arab and Muslim. 


  ~~~~~~~~~ End FAQ #4 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   
  There is; among the wealthy, healthy, intelligent, and powerful people (our WHIPs) in every state, nation, and religion; a few who live in constant fear that some one or some thing may be gaining on them.  This mind set is not natural to most human beings, and is most likely the unintended consequence of thirty centuries of human conditioning under The Wrong Policy (TWP) which is 50% or less of The Optimum Policy (TOP), as illustrated on attached Fig11h.gif.  I know of two groups of people who exhibit this "stiff necked" fear of competitors; the English speaking descendents of the Lost Ten Tribes Of Israel, and the citizens of the six decade old state of Israel.  Both groups were present in B.C. 975 when Rehoboam, King of Judah, (I Kings 12) promulgated the "Divine Right Of Kings;" the wrong policy, which has governed every nation in the western world to this date, with possibly four brief exceptions:  the US in 1776, Switzerland in the 1890s, and Japan and Europe in
 1946.  The US had a hundred year run under TOP, as an agrarian society, and by perfecting TOP in the corporations of its private sector during the 20th century became a global Empire.  Switzerland, Japan, and Europe are quiet as church mice on this topic. The US public sector, however, still operates at 50% of TOP by capitalizing only the $6,500/yr/student expense of 1-12 education, and leaving the $5,000/year/dependent expense of subsistence in the budget of parenting families.  That fixed expense, 3% of GDP or similar to the DOD budget, has made the US domestic policy a total failure for "nation building" since Reconstruction of the Confederate States in 1865.  We needed World War II to bail us out of the great depression and one war after another since 1945 to avoid another depression.
   
  As I wrote in my post of 8/9/06: 
   
  "the SP alternative for the Hizbollah - Israel conflict must be born in the United States, fully developed first in the United States, and then promulgated to the rest of the world by example.  Carpet bagging "nation building;" as done in the former Confederate States 1865, former Spanish Colonies 1898, the USA 1930s, Afghanistan 2001, Iran 2003 to date, cannot change the status quo."
   
  Now Hugh, Wolfgang, John, Pivoteus, Eugenia, Otfried, Fernando, when should world citizens stop being politically correct, and address the missing link of "nation building?"  Perhaps the 21 month old post below, selected by Dr. Priest, will start the discussion.  Believe me, no US Democrat or US Republican will run in 2006 or 2008 on a platform of perpetuating the century old US TWP for thirty more centuries, after the US public remembers TOP, which it learned in the sixth grade.
   
  Kind regards,
  Wes Burt
  
~~~ Begin Dec. 30, 2004 post from Dr. Priest's web site ~~~
   
  From: Wesley Burt
Date: December 30, 2004
Subject: On Closing the "gap" between "prices" and "purchasing power."
   
  Dear Doug,
   
  Your kind response below to my recent post and to 
my unsuccessful presentation of "The Optimum Policy" 
(TOP) for industrial nations was most welcome. 
   
  My comments are inserted in your message where appropriate, so: [WSB Comment. WSB]. Below your 
message, I will take another shot at identifying TOP, 
which New Englanders are taught in the sixth grade, 
and forget in the seventh grade because the subject 
is cursed by our merchant class. Hopefully, the 
comments will blow away enough of the "monetary" 
reform smoke to make "The Optimum Policy" for 
industrial nations self evident. 
   
  Thanks for copying ecassel1 at cox.net and 
papadop at peak.org on your message. Democracy fails 
when good people are not invited to voice their opinions.
   
  --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Doug Everingham
<dnevrghm at powerup.com.au> 
To: 
  ERANet at yahoogroups.com (Confirmed ok)
Cc: 
  ecassel1 at cox.net, 
  Discussion at globaljusticemovement.net (Confirmed ok) 
mai-not at globalproblematique.net, (No confirm copy)
prompt at copsewood.net, (No confirm copy) Wesburt at juno.com,
papadop at peak.org 
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:34:26 +1000 
Subject: Re: [ERANet] Fw: Priest, Ryan, Legum, 
Everingham, Gelles and Daastoel On Closing the "gap" between "prices" and "purchasing power."
   
  Thanks Wes for stressing the ills of financial rulers and their
'experts' (cynics say expert = ex + spurt -- a has-been + a drip
under pressure).
   
  I again visited the TOP web site -- a list of your diagrams. 
I hope someone could put them in clear English as policy 
proposals. I (and I imagine many others) don't feel able 
to do so and that is why I haven't usually responded 
positively to your invitations like: 
"The Optimum Policy (TOP) is shown at"
<http://www.epie.org/cyber-soc/default.htm> "... 
Please join in the discussion".
   
  [WSB The phrase, "policy proposals," suggests a 
number of new ideas for relieving a number of our 
systemic symptoms. My diagrams are not that 
ambitious. They only aim to show that the private 
and public sectors of a national economy operate 
in series (tandem) to produce the single flow of goods 
and services on which our standard of living depends. 
   
  At the macro level of analysis, shown by Fig4 on the
attached file, a single annual value of GDP is produced 
by the capital plant and delivered to the work force, 
while a counterflow of money (sales revenue) flows 
from the work force to the capital plant. At the macro 
level, each one of the multitude of corporate structures, 
which constitute the capital plant, looks just like the 
whole model. That is to say, each corporation disburses 
the sales revenue it receives from its foreign and 
domestic customers in the same four ways:
   
  1, As wages, salaries, interest, and dividends to 
employees, stockholders, and investors (C. H. 
Douglas' A flow in his A + B theorem). 
2, For purchased goods and services from other 
corporations, foreign and domestic (C. H. Douglas' 
B flow). 
3, For speculative investments. 
4, To the corporate profit or loss account.
   
  The much discussed "gap" between "prices" and 
"purchasing power" simply does not exist at the 
macro level of analysis. But, at the micro level of 
analysis, as presented in Fig8 (of Fig4 & 8.gif) on 
  the attached file, a positive "gap" and a negative 
  "gap" are clearly evident. WSB]
   
  Thus I assure you I do NOT "understand perfectly" 
TOP -- but understand somewhat the excerpt from 
Curtiss Priest and hope ERANetworkers and others 
will expound clearly a social credit policy that 
includes a means of having local communities 
distribute needs equitably and sustainably, without 
eliminating rewards and incentives for improving 
society and developing individual capacities.
   
  [WSB TOP, "The Optimum Policy" is, itself, an issue 
of social credit to the dependent citizens of society 
which perfectly satisfies each of your requirements 
for improving society by restoring the perfect 
competition of a truly free labor market. 
   
  That optimum policy was customary, according to 
Jewish tradition and the KJV of the Old Testament, 
in the day's of Abraham and Melchizedek, and has 
been applied to the financial affairs of the wealthy, 
healthy, intelligent, and powerful folks (the WHIPs) 
every day of the week, and twice on Sundays, from 
Abraham's day to date.
   
  TOP is the complement to "The Lost Secrets Of Money" 
by Stephen Zarlenga.  But the positive "gap," or 
deficiency of "purchasing power" among low  income 
parenting households is created by the "Christian 
Principle of Subsidiarity" which prohibits the issue of 
social credit to families with an income higher than 
the break-even point for the family size, as illustrated 
on Fig8 of Fig4 & 8.gif. This positive "gap," a 
"shortage of purchasing power;" creates the rat race 
of intense competition, diminishes profitable capital 
investments, and combines with the minimum wage 
laws to increase unemployment.
   
  The negative "gap," on the other hand, is a surplus of 
"purchasing power" among high income families, with 
or without dependent children. All monetary and 
political reformers see the positive 'gap." But the 
negative "gap" is transparent to reformers, because 
the surplus money from the negative "gap" inflates 
the prices of existing wealth and creates the delusion 
of growth. WSB]
   
  -- Doug Everingham ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   
  You can trust me on this, Doug, because I am not trying 
to sell you a book. And I am not asking for your vote, for 
your power of attorney, nor for the number of your credit 
card. If you became a "true believer in TOP tomorrow, it 
would do me no good because you are in Australia. 
   
  I respond to your inquiries hoping to improve my 
presentation of "The Optimum Policy" enough to 
be heard by a few prominent Americans who can 
outnumber Pete Peterson and the rest of Warren 
Buffett's winning class of investors who, since the 
1890s, have convinced US voters and taxpayers 
that there is no TOP. They depressed the US GDP 
by 30% during the 20th century in order to save 3% 
on their income taxes.
   
  Kind regards,
   
  Wes Burt
~~~ End Dec. 30, 2004 post from Dr. Priest's web site ~~~
   
                       TOP and TWP are cognoscible on
                      Dr. W. Curtiss Priest's web site at:
             <http://www.epie.org/cyber-soc/default.htm>                   
           Where do you stand on the continuum between 
   TOP (The Optimum Policy) and TWP (The Wrong Policy)?
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